[00:00] <apachelogger> [kubuntu-members] Ask upstream KDE PIM on their recommendation of mysql vs sqlite: TODO
[00:00] <apachelogger> mysql
[00:13]  * apachelogger is having a dejavu
[00:34] <apachelogger> bug 942324
[00:34] <apachelogger> I think we can drop the patch for that
[00:34] <apachelogger> rationale was that we did not use kfind as search thingy
[00:35]  * apachelogger personally doesn't see the use of it with nepomuk around but ...
[00:35] <apachelogger> as long as it is not on the cd (which it should not be anymore anyway) I do not see any harm in unhiding it
[00:35] <apachelogger> particularly since it is no more accessible from within dolphin (which was the case before the great nepomuk integration
[00:35] <apachelogger> )
[00:36] <rbelem> Riddell, bulldog98, i uploaded a new kde-artwork-active, that fixes the image path installation
[00:36] <rbelem> to kubuntu-active ppa
[00:40] <apachelogger> dantti: https://projects.kde.org/projects/playground/base/print-manager/repository/revisions/7e9a2796866fb7211cdd842cb15b9933bf77fb29
[00:40] <apachelogger> you should totally git pull --rebase :)
[00:41] <apachelogger> rbelem: where is your copyright generation script btw?
[00:44] <apachelogger> also I need a new mind buddy since jon is never here when I am being creative
[01:03] <ScottK> He's pretty much never here period.
[01:03] <ScottK> We get this shiny new updater and then upstream gets bored apparently.
[01:10]  * apachelogger sends spam to nixternal
[01:11] <apachelogger> neversfelde is also never here
[01:11] <apachelogger> quite the council we have S:
[01:19] <sreich> ScottK: what shiiny new updater?
[01:25] <apachelogger> the one that made me report a bug today :P
[01:25] <apachelogger> new muon
[01:58] <ScottK> sreich: Muon.
[01:58] <ScottK> (the one that's shiny for us because it's optimized for our package system)
[01:58] <sreich> ah
[02:09] <dantti> apachelogger: yes, I added it to git config --global yesterday..
[02:09] <apachelogger> :)
[02:09] <apachelogger> dantti++
[02:09] <dantti> apachelogger: I didn't know how to do it before I read some kde-core-mails
[02:10] <dantti> apachelogger: btw is it working nicely for you?
[02:10] <apachelogger> I only thought of it because of the rant on kc ^^
[02:10] <dantti> the last push added a bunch of stuff
[02:10] <apachelogger> dantti: didn't try it yet, lunchpad decides to screw with me
[02:10] <dantti> right :)
[02:10] <apachelogger> dantti: FWIW... it worked fine last I tried which was last we talked about it
[02:11] <dantti> apachelogger: cool, if you can please test if adding new printers shows a nice popup (you have to restart kded and kill printer-applet)
[02:11] <apachelogger> tomorrow ... if I get a package ^^
[02:11] <dantti> (by adding I mean remove you usb from CUPS and then just plug and wait)
[02:11] <dantti> apachelogger: ok np :)
[02:11] <dantti> apachelogger: I'm working on colord stuff now... 
[02:12] <apachelogger> good thing is ... thanks to packaging recipes we can roll packages right from lunchpad without much effort
[02:12] <dantti> so hopefully on kde 4.9 we have both in extragear of something..
[02:12] <apachelogger> *And* lock it to a given version
[02:12] <dantti> apachelogger: right you mean for inclusion on the 12.04 as an alternative?
[02:12] <apachelogger> so technically we can deliver a daily build from lastest git and a QA'd version for more general concumption
[02:13] <apachelogger> dantti: too late for 12.04 IMHO ... PPA should be fine though
[02:13] <dantti> ok :)
[02:13] <apachelogger> then push it as default for KDE SC 4.10 (if there will be one) & Kubuntu 12.10
[02:14] <apachelogger> as I said, last I used it it was working more reliable than printer-applet already
[02:17] <dantti> apachelogger: ok, cool... now let's try to get color stuff fast on KDE... :)
[02:24] <apachelogger> dantti: what is that?
[02:24]  * apachelogger has a broken fglrx and a broken plasma and a broken krandr \\o/
[02:25] <dantti> apachelogger: didn't you follow last color heat stuff on k-c-d? the colord vs oyranos... :P
[02:25] <apachelogger> no, I was not reading stuff the past week
[02:26] <dantti> apachelogger: http://blog.tenstral.net/2012/02/wanted-kde-color-management-kcm.html   http://blogs.gnome.org/hughsie/2012/02/22/looking-for-a-cool-kde-person/
[02:27] <dantti> I was willing to help colord in kde since my led monitor sucked on it's colors... (now I plan on buying one IPS but still this is pretty usefull)
[02:27] <apachelogger> oh
[02:28] <apachelogger> plasma is still bugged, but we need color management :P
[02:28] <apachelogger> priorities anyone? :P
[02:28] <apachelogger> dantti: so before you jump into color management.... what needs doing for print-manager before we can shuff it into KDE SC?
[02:29] <dantti> apachelogger: well I'm already doing sort of both, afiestas asked me to fill some pre reqs for a GSoc
[02:29] <dantti> so it's really just a few things now..
[02:30] <dantti> from the localhost:631 point of view it's 1:1 in the features (tho I should add a context menu to "Reject Jobs"
[02:30] <dantti> but that's very easy..
[02:30]  * apachelogger wonders whether it is feasable to target kde sc 4.9 even
[02:30] <dantti> http://community.kde.org/GSoC/2012/Ideas#Project:_Finishing_and_Polishing_Printing_support
[02:31] <dantti> apachelogger: well as it's 1:1 to cups web interface I'm going to push it to at least extragear so distros can start shiping as an alternative...
[02:32] <apachelogger> dantti: why not SC?
[02:32] <apachelogger> dantti: I mean, it matches the current printer-applets features, no?
[02:32] <apachelogger> so I do not see why that should not be replaced entirely, then you do not have to care about release stuff yourself :)
[02:33] <dantti> apachelogger: well, the printer-applet can be replaced but the Add New Printer wizard doesn't has all the features...
[02:34] <dantti> like samba browsing, ipp queue query and best PPD finder...
[02:34] <dantti> basically that...
[02:34] <apachelogger> dantti: does the printer-applet do that?
[02:34] <dantti> no
[02:34] <apachelogger> so it does not matter
[02:34] <dantti> it just show jobs and show a popup when a printer is added and the udev rule installs it automatically for you
[02:35] <dantti> apachelogger: aren't s-c-p-kde connected to the printer-applet?
[02:35] <dantti> *isn't
[02:35] <apachelogger> they are the same thing
[02:35] <apachelogger> or something
[02:35] <apachelogger> well, created at the same time anyway
[02:36] <apachelogger> dantti: tell you what, I'll have a look at the current state tomorrow, it is hard to talk about things I don't know about ^^
[02:36] <dantti> afaik they are two components of the s-c-p-kde, so the applet can be replaced the KCM not entirely
[02:36] <apachelogger> but really, I would push it out rather sooner than later
[02:36] <dantti> apachelogger: sure, pretty much try adding new printers you will see the differences
[02:37] <apachelogger> then again my mantra is release or perish ^^
[02:37] <dantti> apachelogger: sure that's why I'd like to at least push it to extragear
[02:37] <apachelogger> yah
[02:38] <apachelogger> so, I think we should put a snapshot into the beta ppa and lock that on a revision we know works well
[02:38] <apachelogger> and keep a rolling snapshot in the experimental ppa
[02:38] <apachelogger> then call for people to test the beta thing
[02:39] <apachelogger> that should give reasonable testing for the existing features
[02:47] <dantti> apachelogger: sure :D I also need to blog about last changes so if you do that please tell me the ppa so I put it into the blog post
[02:49] <apachelogger> dantti: once lunchpad decides to do things faster than 12 hours ;)
[02:49] <dantti> k :P
[06:33] <Mamarok> Good morning everyone :)
[08:09] <tsdgeos> Riddell: will 4.8.1 made it into precise "easily" ?
[08:27] <agateau> tsdgeos: kubuntu usually ships with 4.x.2 if that's what you are looking for?
[08:27] <agateau> so I expect 4.8.1 to be available in precise soon as a simple dist-upgrade
[08:41] <tsdgeos> agateau: what i'm looking for is to have the "virtuoso eats 400% of my cpu fixed"
[08:41] <tsdgeos> that is suppossedly fixed in 4.8.1
[08:41] <agateau> tsdgeos: should be there in a few days
[09:08] <Riddell> "200 units of Original Buff® will be €6.98 + vat and €50 shipping"  I want Kubuntu buffs :)
[09:11] <stefan`> b
[09:11] <Riddell> hi stefan` 
[09:12] <stefan`> sorry ;)
[09:41] <Mamarok> interesting, virtuoso doesn't eat CPU for me in KDE 4.8 on Precise
[09:41] <tazz> anyone here using kvm-qemu for cd testing ?
[09:42] <Mamarok> tazz: nope, testing on an old laptop
[09:43] <tazz> Mamarok, lucky you :)
[09:43] <Riddell> I've used virtualbox in the past but it hasn't worked for me recently, linux driver broken
[09:43] <Mamarok> well, yes, I kept it for my translation work with Trados which sadly doesn't work on Linux
[10:03] <Riddell> !testers
[10:03] <Riddell> go go iso testing! http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/208/builds
[10:33] <Riddell> note to self: ubiquity needs the little corner image removed, it was for the old wallpaper
[10:33] <Riddell> yofel: yes the keyboard selection does seem to have disappeared, that might be due to fixes to stop it crashing
[10:34] <Riddell> question to self: usb keys are so much better than CDs, why did I use CDs for so long?
[10:58] <yofel> why are we hiding kfind? (bug 942324)
[11:00] <Riddell> yofel: kfind isn't installed by default
[11:00] <Riddell> dolphin is better for finding files
[11:01] <Riddell> probably the NoDisplay=true is a patch from when i started kubuntu and wanted to tidy up the kmenu
[11:02] <yofel> sure, but if it's not installed by default there's no point in hiding it when someone does install it
[11:02] <Riddell> yes, feel free to fix
[11:05] <CIA-42> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kde-baseapps] Philip Muškovac * 208 * debian/ (patches/kubuntu_04_hide_kfind.diff changelog patches/series) Don't hide kfind by default now that it's not installed by default anymore (LP: #942324)
[11:10] <Riddell> where do qapt bugs go?
[11:10] <Riddell> it isn't registered in bugs.kde.org
[11:16] <Riddell> mm still 9MB and 28MB to be removed from the alternate CDs
[11:16] <Riddell> (before beta 2)
[11:16] <Riddell> guess we can be more reckless there and just remove an app or two, they're less important
[12:04] <ScottK> Riddell: Muon is registered on b.k.o.  I'd send them there.
[12:33] <apachelogger> Riddell: remove print drivers ;)
[12:34] <apachelogger> they are gigantic
[12:49] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[13:49] <ScottK> apachelogger: But not for any printers I own, please.
[14:06] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks , where is the kdm conf file stored? ...thought it was in /user/share , but it's not there
[14:07] <ScottK> BluesKaj: /etc/kde4/kdm
[14:08] <BluesKaj> ScottK,  thanks :)
[14:08] <ScottK> You're welcome.
[14:16] <debfx> is the just me or is the lp api currently broken?
[16:07] <maco> Riddell: does Muon have package version pinning?
[16:07] <maco> i know aptitude and synaptic can lock a package version
[16:08] <maco> apt-get, stupidly, lacks this functionality
[16:08] <maco> and i've got a kubuntu user whose internet goes POOF every kernel update because the linux kernel lacks a working driver for her and she has to compile one from scratch every time it updates, which requires my assistance
[16:09] <maco> (i've never used muon. or oneiric for that matter)
[16:09] <yofel> iirc you can prevent kernel updates if you remove the kernel meta packages
[16:09] <yofel> like linux-image-generc etc.
[16:10] <yofel> apt-get does know pinning, but only manual using /etc/apt/preferences
[16:10] <maco> yeah pinning manually is kinda a pain in the rear. aptitude lets you say "aptitude hold package"
[16:11] <maco> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PinningHowto#Introduction_to_Holding_Packages could work though
[16:16] <Riddell> maco: no I don't think so 
[16:20]  * yofel syncs images again
[16:34] <shadeslayer> Riddell: poke poke
[16:34] <Riddell> shadeslayer: mm?
[16:35] <shadeslayer> Riddell: good idea to move Qt 4.8 into Kubuntu Backports?
[16:35] <shadeslayer> or should I leave it in Experimental ... afiestas tested it and said all looked good
[16:36] <Riddell> shadeslayer: kubuntu-ppa/backports?  yeah I guess so
[16:37] <shadeslayer> yes, okay, I'll copy them then
[16:37] <shadeslayer> hmm ... new icons for LP?
[16:37] <yofel> yeah
[16:37] <shadeslayer> uhh .. what's the "s-series"
[16:38] <yofel> O, P, Q, R, S?
[16:38] <Riddell> future versions of ubuntu
[16:38] <Riddell> yet to be named
[16:38] <shadeslayer> nope, just s,r and q
[16:38] <shadeslayer> oh
[16:38] <yofel> well, yeah, they just don't have names yet
[16:38]  * shadeslayer ponders why LP would create release pockets for those
[16:40] <shadeslayer> hahah : http://harmful.cat-v.org/software/c++/linus
[16:40]  * shadeslayer can't stop laughing after reading the first few lines
[16:41] <Riddell> shadeslayer: so we can target bugs and specs to them
[16:41] <shadeslayer> Riddell: uhh ... I think LP is planning too far ahead into the future
[16:44] <yofel> shadeslayer: they just do 'from __future__ import s-series', and considering LP is python that's perfectly valid :P
[16:45] <shadeslayer> heh
[16:45] <shadeslayer> python ... doing nasty stuff to your present *and* your future
[16:49] <BarkingFish> Afternoodles guys, long time no see. How's everything going with the prep for Precise?
[16:49] <yofel> BarkingFish: testing isos for beta1 right now, feel free to chime in
[16:49] <yofel> otherwise, bugfixing time
[16:51] <BarkingFish> yofel: I'm probably gonna have to go bugfixing more than iso testing, I'm a disk drive down at the moment and can't immediately grab a new one to stick a second OS on
[16:52] <Riddell> crashers in rekonq and plasma activities I've found just by logging in
[16:52] <Riddell> also an easy fix to be made in ubiquity
[16:52] <BarkingFish> Unless I can get my hands on a new 1 or 2TB SATA within a week or so, I'm gonna be stuck
[16:53] <Riddell> we need testing today and tomorrow, but we'll be back into testing in a few weeks too
[16:54]  * shadeslayer can help with seeding and stuff
[16:55] <BarkingFish> what are we looking at for an expected release date?
[16:55] <yofel> !schedule | BarkingFish
[16:55] <yofel> !schedule-#ubuntu+1 | BarkingFish
[16:56] <BarkingFish> excellent, thanks yofel :)
[16:57] <BarkingFish> so 26th april... that's...barely 8 weeks :P
[16:58] <BarkingFish> gotta scoot for a bit, see you later :)
[17:09] <BluesKaj> well, my samba connections to the windows 7 pc which i use as a media backup drive , is oger accessible , so trying to resset the samba/smb networking won't allow deletion the old connections in order to replace them 
[17:10] <BluesKaj> no longer accessible
[17:14] <Riddell> BluesKaj: ask rbelem 
[18:25] <Riddell> apachelogger: http://dantti.wordpress.com/2012/02/28/print-manager-improvements/
[18:40] <yofel> hm
[18:40] <yofel> does someone remember when jockey was supposed to show up after installation?
[18:53] <BluesKaj> rbelem , samba no longer connects to W7 pc which contains a lot of our backed up media files . ssh and fish work on the linux to linux networking , but W7 just times out 
[18:58] <rbelem> BluesKaj, did you try the cmd line client?
[18:59] <rbelem> apachelogger, it is not complete yet. a very begging work in progress, but it will be ready for uds-q
[18:59] <rbelem> *begining
[19:00] <BluesKaj> rbelem, smbclient -L //IPaddress -U target-pc ?
[19:02] <rbelem> BluesKaj, smbclient -U target-pc-user //IPaddress/folder
[19:05] <BluesKaj> rbelem,  session setup failed: NT_STATUS_LOGON_FAILURE
[19:06] <rbelem> BluesKaj, create a new user in thw w7 machine, set a password for it and try again using the new user
[19:28] <BluesKaj> rbelem,  had log off for a few mins ,  with a new user on W7,  "smbclient -U target-pc-user //IPaddress/folder", returns , "session setup failed: NT_STATUS_LOGON_TYPE_NOT_GRANTED"
[19:30] <BluesKaj> the whole C drive is temporarily shared , just for convenience
[19:32] <rbelem> BluesKaj, this seems to be a w7 security setting
[19:34] <rbelem> BluesKaj, try this one http://simplygenius.com/2006/04/accessing-windows-shares-from-os-x_14.html
[19:39] <Mamarok> hm, how can I modify the sources to avoid getting these ignore messages about the translations when updating?
[19:45] <BluesKaj> rbelem,  your suggestion worked . I added myself as an admin on the W7 pc and I was able to login as the different user with admin priveleges
[19:45] <BluesKaj> thanks rbelem :)
[19:46] <rbelem> BluesKaj, u r welcome :-)
[19:46] <BluesKaj> I went thru the add network folder procedure
[19:48] <BluesKaj> ok , now back to my taxes :(
[20:01] <yofel> hm, the german ubiquity slideshow isn't completely translated as always - where does one fix that again?
[20:04] <ScottK> plasma network manager 0.9 final release is in Debian.
[20:05] <ScottK> yofel: In launchpad, somewhere.
[20:05] <yofel> ScottK: oh great, less work for me (nm)
[21:28] <ScottK> rbelem: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-active/daily-live/20120228.1/
[21:29] <starbuck> hello, I have been installing kubuntu lately in German (German language, timezone and keyboard), and noticed, that the country was still set to USA. That resulted in clock displaying am/pm etc. Is this a known problem of ubiquity and fixed in 12.04? Which setting should actually influence country (I guess the timezone?).
[21:31] <ScottK> yofel: ^^^ Is that like the problem you were having?
[21:34] <yofel> hm, I didn't check the country settings actually. What I had was using german language and ubiquity selection english keyboard layout by default
[21:34] <yofel> *selecting
[21:34] <starbuck> yesm that is true also
[21:36] <ScottK> Perhaps you two should collaborate on a really good bug report.
[21:38] <starbuck> :)
[21:38] <starbuck> also the colors for showing the partitions during setup are pretty similar default (blue and light blue) and therefore imo hard to distinct :
[21:38] <starbuck> http://blog.nik0.de/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/ubiquity.png
[21:42] <yofel> starbuck: that hasn't changed in precise. Can you file a bug against ubiquity?
[21:44] <yofel> oh cool, we have a kubuntu active image to test \o/
[22:01] <ScottK> yofel: Just i386 for now, but we'll do arm once we've smoke tested it on i386.
[22:01] <yofel> well, means bulldog98_ has work to do :D
[22:22] <starbuck> yofel: where do i do that again (bugfile)?
[22:23] <yofel> starbuck: preferably after installation run: ubuntu-bug ubiquity
[22:23] <yofel> which will take you to launchpad (you need an account there)
[22:24] <starbuck> isnt color for ubuntu different than kubuntu?
[22:24] <ScottK> Yes.
[22:28] <debfx> maco: you can hold packages in apt (at least apt-get respects that but I assume muon will too) with apt-mark hold <pkg>
[22:35] <maco> debfx: apt-mark is a new one for me. thanks!
[22:45] <Riddell> evening
[22:48] <Riddell> anyone tested active yet?  I doubt it does anything
[22:48] <Riddell> there's no xsession file
[22:49] <ScottK> Riddell: At least it built.
[22:52] <Riddell> ScottK: yes one step closer
[22:53] <Riddell> ScottK: I set it to i386 only for now, we can add arm when we know it works and we have testers
[22:54] <nixternal> is kde-telepathy going to be any better before release?
[23:20] <Riddell> nixternal: yes but what issues have you had with it?
[23:29] <nixternal> i keep getting popups to verify a person who added me. i select "deny" and everytime I log in, i get that same message
[23:29] <nixternal> to fix it, i got rid of all IM carriers except for gtalk
[23:30] <Riddell> nixternal: ask in #kde-telepathy
[23:30] <nixternal> i am sure there is a bug for it. i was trying to find the source but i couldn't find it in extragear. that is where it is supposed to be located according to a blog post
[23:31] <Riddell> it could also be in the telepathy backend
[23:31] <nixternal> also need to try and figure out what happened to CUPS and my printer. the driver is listed but it doesn't work in precise
[23:31] <Riddell> https://projects.kde.org/search?projects=1&q=telepathy
[23:32]  * Riddell snoozes
[23:50]  * yofel is off to bed - good night