[00:00] [kubuntu-members] Ask upstream KDE PIM on their recommendation of mysql vs sqlite: TODO [00:00] mysql [00:13] * apachelogger is having a dejavu [00:34] bug 942324 [00:34] Launchpad bug 942324 in kde-baseapps (Ubuntu) "Don't hide Kfind from menu" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/942324 [00:34] I think we can drop the patch for that [00:34] rationale was that we did not use kfind as search thingy [00:35] * apachelogger personally doesn't see the use of it with nepomuk around but ... [00:35] as long as it is not on the cd (which it should not be anymore anyway) I do not see any harm in unhiding it [00:35] particularly since it is no more accessible from within dolphin (which was the case before the great nepomuk integration [00:35] ) [00:36] Riddell, bulldog98, i uploaded a new kde-artwork-active, that fixes the image path installation [00:36] to kubuntu-active ppa [00:40] dantti: https://projects.kde.org/projects/playground/base/print-manager/repository/revisions/7e9a2796866fb7211cdd842cb15b9933bf77fb29 [00:40] you should totally git pull --rebase :) [00:41] rbelem: where is your copyright generation script btw? [00:44] also I need a new mind buddy since jon is never here when I am being creative [01:03] He's pretty much never here period. [01:03] We get this shiny new updater and then upstream gets bored apparently. [01:10] * apachelogger sends spam to nixternal [01:11] neversfelde is also never here [01:11] quite the council we have S: [01:19] ScottK: what shiiny new updater? [01:25] the one that made me report a bug today :P [01:25] new muon [01:58] sreich: Muon. [01:58] (the one that's shiny for us because it's optimized for our package system) [01:58] ah [02:09] apachelogger: yes, I added it to git config --global yesterday.. [02:09] :) [02:09] dantti++ [02:09] apachelogger: I didn't know how to do it before I read some kde-core-mails [02:10] apachelogger: btw is it working nicely for you? [02:10] I only thought of it because of the rant on kc ^^ [02:10] the last push added a bunch of stuff [02:10] dantti: didn't try it yet, lunchpad decides to screw with me [02:10] right :) [02:10] dantti: FWIW... it worked fine last I tried which was last we talked about it [02:11] apachelogger: cool, if you can please test if adding new printers shows a nice popup (you have to restart kded and kill printer-applet) [02:11] tomorrow ... if I get a package ^^ [02:11] (by adding I mean remove you usb from CUPS and then just plug and wait) [02:11] apachelogger: ok np :) [02:11] apachelogger: I'm working on colord stuff now... [02:12] good thing is ... thanks to packaging recipes we can roll packages right from lunchpad without much effort [02:12] so hopefully on kde 4.9 we have both in extragear of something.. [02:12] *And* lock it to a given version [02:12] apachelogger: right you mean for inclusion on the 12.04 as an alternative? [02:12] so technically we can deliver a daily build from lastest git and a QA'd version for more general concumption [02:13] dantti: too late for 12.04 IMHO ... PPA should be fine though [02:13] ok :) [02:13] then push it as default for KDE SC 4.10 (if there will be one) & Kubuntu 12.10 [02:14] as I said, last I used it it was working more reliable than printer-applet already [02:17] apachelogger: ok, cool... now let's try to get color stuff fast on KDE... :) [02:24] dantti: what is that? [02:24] * apachelogger has a broken fglrx and a broken plasma and a broken krandr \\o/ [02:25] apachelogger: didn't you follow last color heat stuff on k-c-d? the colord vs oyranos... :P [02:25] no, I was not reading stuff the past week [02:26] apachelogger: http://blog.tenstral.net/2012/02/wanted-kde-color-management-kcm.html http://blogs.gnome.org/hughsie/2012/02/22/looking-for-a-cool-kde-person/ [02:27] I was willing to help colord in kde since my led monitor sucked on it's colors... (now I plan on buying one IPS but still this is pretty usefull) [02:27] oh [02:28] plasma is still bugged, but we need color management :P [02:28] priorities anyone? :P [02:28] dantti: so before you jump into color management.... what needs doing for print-manager before we can shuff it into KDE SC? [02:29] apachelogger: well I'm already doing sort of both, afiestas asked me to fill some pre reqs for a GSoc [02:29] so it's really just a few things now.. [02:30] from the localhost:631 point of view it's 1:1 in the features (tho I should add a context menu to "Reject Jobs" [02:30] but that's very easy.. [02:30] * apachelogger wonders whether it is feasable to target kde sc 4.9 even [02:30] http://community.kde.org/GSoC/2012/Ideas#Project:_Finishing_and_Polishing_Printing_support [02:31] apachelogger: well as it's 1:1 to cups web interface I'm going to push it to at least extragear so distros can start shiping as an alternative... [02:32] dantti: why not SC? [02:32] dantti: I mean, it matches the current printer-applets features, no? [02:32] so I do not see why that should not be replaced entirely, then you do not have to care about release stuff yourself :) [02:33] apachelogger: well, the printer-applet can be replaced but the Add New Printer wizard doesn't has all the features... [02:34] like samba browsing, ipp queue query and best PPD finder... [02:34] basically that... [02:34] dantti: does the printer-applet do that? [02:34] no [02:34] so it does not matter [02:34] it just show jobs and show a popup when a printer is added and the udev rule installs it automatically for you [02:35] apachelogger: aren't s-c-p-kde connected to the printer-applet? [02:35] *isn't [02:35] they are the same thing [02:35] or something [02:35] well, created at the same time anyway [02:36] dantti: tell you what, I'll have a look at the current state tomorrow, it is hard to talk about things I don't know about ^^ [02:36] afaik they are two components of the s-c-p-kde, so the applet can be replaced the KCM not entirely [02:36] but really, I would push it out rather sooner than later [02:36] apachelogger: sure, pretty much try adding new printers you will see the differences [02:37] then again my mantra is release or perish ^^ [02:37] apachelogger: sure that's why I'd like to at least push it to extragear [02:37] yah [02:38] so, I think we should put a snapshot into the beta ppa and lock that on a revision we know works well [02:38] and keep a rolling snapshot in the experimental ppa [02:38] then call for people to test the beta thing [02:39] that should give reasonable testing for the existing features [02:47] apachelogger: sure :D I also need to blog about last changes so if you do that please tell me the ppa so I put it into the blog post [02:49] dantti: once lunchpad decides to do things faster than 12 hours ;) [02:49] k :P [06:33] Good morning everyone :) [08:09] Riddell: will 4.8.1 made it into precise "easily" ? [08:27] tsdgeos: kubuntu usually ships with 4.x.2 if that's what you are looking for? [08:27] so I expect 4.8.1 to be available in precise soon as a simple dist-upgrade [08:41] agateau: what i'm looking for is to have the "virtuoso eats 400% of my cpu fixed" [08:41] that is suppossedly fixed in 4.8.1 [08:41] tsdgeos: should be there in a few days [09:08] "200 units of Original Buff® will be €6.98 + vat and €50 shipping" I want Kubuntu buffs :) [09:11] b [09:11] hi stefan` [09:12] sorry ;) [09:41] interesting, virtuoso doesn't eat CPU for me in KDE 4.8 on Precise [09:41] anyone here using kvm-qemu for cd testing ? [09:42] tazz: nope, testing on an old laptop [09:43] Mamarok, lucky you :) [09:43] I've used virtualbox in the past but it hasn't worked for me recently, linux driver broken [09:43] well, yes, I kept it for my translation work with Trados which sadly doesn't work on Linux [10:03] !testers [10:03] Testing help needed in #kubuntu-devel ping Riddell, yofel, soee, Tm_T, shadeslayer, BluesKaj, James147, em [10:03] go go iso testing! http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/208/builds [10:33] note to self: ubiquity needs the little corner image removed, it was for the old wallpaper [10:33] yofel: yes the keyboard selection does seem to have disappeared, that might be due to fixes to stop it crashing [10:34] question to self: usb keys are so much better than CDs, why did I use CDs for so long? [10:58] why are we hiding kfind? (bug 942324) [10:58] Launchpad bug 942324 in kde-baseapps (Ubuntu) "Don't hide Kfind from menu" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/942324 [11:00] yofel: kfind isn't installed by default [11:00] dolphin is better for finding files [11:01] probably the NoDisplay=true is a patch from when i started kubuntu and wanted to tidy up the kmenu [11:02] sure, but if it's not installed by default there's no point in hiding it when someone does install it [11:02] yes, feel free to fix [11:05] [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kde-baseapps] Philip Muškovac * 208 * debian/ (patches/kubuntu_04_hide_kfind.diff changelog patches/series) Don't hide kfind by default now that it's not installed by default anymore (LP: #942324) [11:10] where do qapt bugs go? [11:10] it isn't registered in bugs.kde.org [11:16] mm still 9MB and 28MB to be removed from the alternate CDs [11:16] (before beta 2) [11:16] guess we can be more reckless there and just remove an app or two, they're less important [12:04] Riddell: Muon is registered on b.k.o. I'd send them there. [12:33] Riddell: remove print drivers ;) [12:34] they are gigantic [12:49] Howdy all === greyback is now known as greyback|lunch [13:49] apachelogger: But not for any printers I own, please. [14:06] 'Morning folks , where is the kdm conf file stored? ...thought it was in /user/share , but it's not there [14:07] BluesKaj: /etc/kde4/kdm [14:08] ScottK, thanks :) [14:08] You're welcome. [14:16] is the just me or is the lp api currently broken? === greyback|lunch is now known as greyback === rdieter_laptop is now known as rdieter === yofel_ is now known as yofel === James1479 is now known as James147 [16:07] Riddell: does Muon have package version pinning? [16:07] i know aptitude and synaptic can lock a package version [16:08] apt-get, stupidly, lacks this functionality [16:08] and i've got a kubuntu user whose internet goes POOF every kernel update because the linux kernel lacks a working driver for her and she has to compile one from scratch every time it updates, which requires my assistance [16:09] (i've never used muon. or oneiric for that matter) [16:09] iirc you can prevent kernel updates if you remove the kernel meta packages [16:09] like linux-image-generc etc. [16:10] apt-get does know pinning, but only manual using /etc/apt/preferences [16:10] yeah pinning manually is kinda a pain in the rear. aptitude lets you say "aptitude hold package" [16:11] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PinningHowto#Introduction_to_Holding_Packages could work though [16:16] maco: no I don't think so [16:20] * yofel syncs images again [16:34] Riddell: poke poke [16:34] shadeslayer: mm? [16:35] Riddell: good idea to move Qt 4.8 into Kubuntu Backports? [16:35] or should I leave it in Experimental ... afiestas tested it and said all looked good [16:36] shadeslayer: kubuntu-ppa/backports? yeah I guess so [16:37] yes, okay, I'll copy them then [16:37] hmm ... new icons for LP? [16:37] yeah [16:37] uhh .. what's the "s-series" [16:38] O, P, Q, R, S? [16:38] future versions of ubuntu [16:38] yet to be named [16:38] nope, just s,r and q [16:38] oh [16:38] well, yeah, they just don't have names yet [16:38] * shadeslayer ponders why LP would create release pockets for those [16:40] hahah : http://harmful.cat-v.org/software/c++/linus [16:40] * shadeslayer can't stop laughing after reading the first few lines [16:41] shadeslayer: so we can target bugs and specs to them [16:41] Riddell: uhh ... I think LP is planning too far ahead into the future [16:44] shadeslayer: they just do 'from __future__ import s-series', and considering LP is python that's perfectly valid :P [16:45] heh [16:45] python ... doing nasty stuff to your present *and* your future [16:49] Afternoodles guys, long time no see. How's everything going with the prep for Precise? [16:49] BarkingFish: testing isos for beta1 right now, feel free to chime in [16:49] otherwise, bugfixing time [16:51] yofel: I'm probably gonna have to go bugfixing more than iso testing, I'm a disk drive down at the moment and can't immediately grab a new one to stick a second OS on [16:52] crashers in rekonq and plasma activities I've found just by logging in [16:52] also an easy fix to be made in ubiquity [16:52] Unless I can get my hands on a new 1 or 2TB SATA within a week or so, I'm gonna be stuck [16:53] we need testing today and tomorrow, but we'll be back into testing in a few weeks too [16:54] * shadeslayer can help with seeding and stuff [16:55] what are we looking at for an expected release date? [16:55] !schedule | BarkingFish [16:55] Sorry, I don't know anything about schedule [16:55] !schedule-#ubuntu+1 | BarkingFish [16:55] BarkingFish: A schedule of Precise Pangolin (12.04) release milestones can be found here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PreciseReleaseSchedule [16:56] excellent, thanks yofel :) [16:57] so 26th april... that's...barely 8 weeks :P [16:58] gotta scoot for a bit, see you later :) [17:09] well, my samba connections to the windows 7 pc which i use as a media backup drive , is oger accessible , so trying to resset the samba/smb networking won't allow deletion the old connections in order to replace them [17:10] no longer accessible [17:14] BluesKaj: ask rbelem [18:25] apachelogger: http://dantti.wordpress.com/2012/02/28/print-manager-improvements/ [18:40] hm [18:40] does someone remember when jockey was supposed to show up after installation? [18:53] rbelem , samba no longer connects to W7 pc which contains a lot of our backed up media files . ssh and fish work on the linux to linux networking , but W7 just times out [18:58] BluesKaj, did you try the cmd line client? [18:59] apachelogger, it is not complete yet. a very begging work in progress, but it will be ready for uds-q [18:59] *begining [19:00] rbelem, smbclient -L //IPaddress -U target-pc ? [19:02] BluesKaj, smbclient -U target-pc-user //IPaddress/folder [19:05] rbelem, session setup failed: NT_STATUS_LOGON_FAILURE [19:06] BluesKaj, create a new user in thw w7 machine, set a password for it and try again using the new user [19:28] rbelem, had log off for a few mins , with a new user on W7, "smbclient -U target-pc-user //IPaddress/folder", returns , "session setup failed: NT_STATUS_LOGON_TYPE_NOT_GRANTED" [19:30] the whole C drive is temporarily shared , just for convenience [19:32] BluesKaj, this seems to be a w7 security setting [19:34] BluesKaj, try this one http://simplygenius.com/2006/04/accessing-windows-shares-from-os-x_14.html [19:39] hm, how can I modify the sources to avoid getting these ignore messages about the translations when updating? [19:45] rbelem, your suggestion worked . I added myself as an admin on the W7 pc and I was able to login as the different user with admin priveleges [19:45] thanks rbelem :) [19:46] BluesKaj, u r welcome :-) [19:46] I went thru the add network folder procedure [19:48] ok , now back to my taxes :( [20:01] hm, the german ubiquity slideshow isn't completely translated as always - where does one fix that again? [20:04] plasma network manager 0.9 final release is in Debian. [20:05] yofel: In launchpad, somewhere. [20:05] ScottK: oh great, less work for me (nm) [21:28] rbelem: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-active/daily-live/20120228.1/ [21:29] hello, I have been installing kubuntu lately in German (German language, timezone and keyboard), and noticed, that the country was still set to USA. That resulted in clock displaying am/pm etc. Is this a known problem of ubiquity and fixed in 12.04? Which setting should actually influence country (I guess the timezone?). [21:31] yofel: ^^^ Is that like the problem you were having? [21:34] hm, I didn't check the country settings actually. What I had was using german language and ubiquity selection english keyboard layout by default [21:34] *selecting [21:34] yesm that is true also [21:36] Perhaps you two should collaborate on a really good bug report. [21:38] :) [21:38] also the colors for showing the partitions during setup are pretty similar default (blue and light blue) and therefore imo hard to distinct : [21:38] http://blog.nik0.de/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/ubiquity.png [21:42] starbuck: that hasn't changed in precise. Can you file a bug against ubiquity? [21:44] oh cool, we have a kubuntu active image to test \o/ [22:01] yofel: Just i386 for now, but we'll do arm once we've smoke tested it on i386. [22:01] well, means bulldog98_ has work to do :D [22:22] yofel: where do i do that again (bugfile)? [22:23] starbuck: preferably after installation run: ubuntu-bug ubiquity [22:23] which will take you to launchpad (you need an account there) [22:24] isnt color for ubuntu different than kubuntu? [22:24] Yes. [22:28] maco: you can hold packages in apt (at least apt-get respects that but I assume muon will too) with apt-mark hold [22:35] debfx: apt-mark is a new one for me. thanks! [22:45] evening [22:48] anyone tested active yet? I doubt it does anything [22:48] there's no xsession file [22:49] Riddell: At least it built. [22:52] ScottK: yes one step closer [22:53] ScottK: I set it to i386 only for now, we can add arm when we know it works and we have testers [22:54] is kde-telepathy going to be any better before release? [23:20] nixternal: yes but what issues have you had with it? [23:29] i keep getting popups to verify a person who added me. i select "deny" and everytime I log in, i get that same message [23:29] to fix it, i got rid of all IM carriers except for gtalk [23:30] nixternal: ask in #kde-telepathy [23:30] i am sure there is a bug for it. i was trying to find the source but i couldn't find it in extragear. that is where it is supposed to be located according to a blog post [23:31] it could also be in the telepathy backend [23:31] also need to try and figure out what happened to CUPS and my printer. the driver is listed but it doesn't work in precise [23:31] https://projects.kde.org/search?projects=1&q=telepathy [23:32] * Riddell snoozes [23:50] * yofel is off to bed - good night