[00:24] <skaet> thanks bkerensa!  :)
[00:24] <skaet> ubuntu, kubuntu, xubuntu, mythbuntu desktop's posted
[00:25] <wxl> lubuntu?
[00:25] <skaet> wxl - its building now,  will emerge next
[00:25] <wxl> danke :D
[00:26] <skaet> ubuntu-server, lubuntu alternate posted.
[00:28] <wxl> grr ubuntu alternate for ppc is still oversized
[00:32] <skaet> wxl,  if I can get some focus on pulling it down to size,  you willing to test it for us?
[00:33] <wxl> skaet: absolutely
[00:34] <wxl> that goes for x86 too (the desktop's oversized along with ppc)
[00:34] <wxl> i've been focusing most of my attention on lubuntu but there a couple bugs i'd like to compare against an actual ubuntu install
[00:35] <skaet> wxl,  desktop x86 will likely be pruned back.  For final certainly - hopefully beta.
[00:36] <wxl> skaet: say the word when the ppc is trimmed down and i'll have at it
[00:36] <skaet> wxl,  coolio.    will do.  (and thanks!!)
[00:37] <wxl> skaet: np (thanks to tmux+irssi) i'm always here so don't hesitate to call me out and/or msg me. i'll get back eventually. i also do pay attention to the mailing list
[00:38] <wxl> i actually would really like to post instructions for x86 users to test ppc by emulating (a la qemu) but it seems something is amiss with ppc emulation. there's a related bug out there…
[00:39] <wxl> phillw was hunting around to see if he could find some resolution to the problem but wasn't having a lot of luck. apparently, no one's really bothered with that before :D
[00:40] <infinity> wxl: I hear we actually have a PPC tester.
[00:41] <infinity> (That is, one who isn't me, which is good, cause the images don't boot on my hardware right now)
[00:42] <wxl> hahaha yep infinity
[00:42] <infinity> wxl: Fantastic.  What hardware are you running on?
[00:43] <wxl> infinity: http://wxl.freeshell.org/()/comp/ppc/hardinfo_report.html
[00:43] <wxl> :)
[00:44] <infinity> wxl: G4 PowerBook, then?  Perfect.
[00:44] <wxl> i may be able to drum up some interest in testing among the few lubutnu ppc users we have
[00:44] <infinity> wxl: That falls directly in between my G3 desktop and my POWER5 workstation, so we get some decent coverage there.
[00:44] <wxl> infinity: yep. i also have a g3 but it needs some work to get into a testable state
[00:44] <wxl> (it needs an openfirmware uprgade)
[00:45] <infinity> wxl: If you can actuallt get honest-to-gosh testers who are willing to test images, I'll happily get them into a sane size/state.
[00:45] <infinity> wxl: (keeping in mind that I won't work miracles, they'll boot on what they boot on, ie: people who report that they don't work on beige G3s get to pound dirt, etc)
[00:45] <wxl> infinity: we've had a couple of funky bugs with the lubuntu images that kind of made us wonder if the problem isn't canonical-wide-- so we have wont to test against a standard ubuntu iso
[00:46] <wxl> yeah g3s are…crazy
[00:46] <wxl> openfirmware's pretty funky to begin with, even current versions
[00:46] <infinity> My G3 has a MacOS9 installation just to run BootX.
[00:47] <wxl> yeah the g3 i inherited (wallstreet pb) had the hd wiped
[00:47] <infinity> I feel kinda dirty using MacOS as a "bootloader", but that OF version and quik just never got along.
[00:47] <wxl> and no install disks
[00:47] <wxl> and trying to find just the right version of os9 to use-- good luck.
[00:48] <wxl> it's not like the disks are marked "will boot on stupid version of openfirmware!"
[00:48] <infinity> *snicker*
[00:48] <wxl> so yeah i keep looking. one of these days i'll find one :D
[00:49] <infinity> Anyhow.  I'm assuming your G4 more or less "just works" with our images (modulo size and random bugs), so we'll start there.
[00:49] <wxl> oh yeah the g4 is good to go
[00:49] <infinity> I'll see if I can spend some weekend/community time whipping them into better shape and poke you.
[00:49] <wxl> sounds good!
[00:49] <infinity> While I'm at it, I'll make the images actually boot on my POWER5. :P
[00:49] <wxl> :)
[00:50] <wxl> have you been testing all the buntus?
[00:50] <infinity> But, I have a personal interest in PPC images actually being smoketested to the point where we can at least publish them as "unsupported community images".
[00:50] <wxl> cuz i could always use the opportunity to muster support for lubuntu-on-ppc testing :D
[00:50] <wxl> exactly my thoughts
[00:50] <infinity> Do we build lubuntu on PPC?
[00:50] <wxl> yep!
[00:50] <infinity> Huh.
[00:50] <infinity> Go figure.
[00:50] <wxl> the alternate's now even appropriately sized
[00:51] <infinity> All I cared about was ubuntu-desktop and ubuntu-server (and potentially ubuntu-alternate), but others work too, if people are willing to test.
[00:51] <wxl> i know we have at least one guy who's testing on g3, g4, g5
[00:51] <wxl> of course i seem to be the only ppc tester who knows how to use the qa tracker :/
[00:52] <wxl> well (biased opinion) i think given the focus towards low resource usage, lubuntu is perfect for ppc
[00:52] <wxl> and mac users tend to see their machines as so entirely disposable so…
[00:53] <infinity> wxl: Hey, my power5 (and power7s, and...) is hardly slow, or low resource. :P
[00:53] <infinity> wxl: Anyhow, there's no hard and fast rule (especially for community images) around the tester also being the tracker user.
[00:53] <infinity> wxl: If the guy testing on g3/g4/g5 can report his findings to you, you can fill out the tests. :P
[01:24] <wxl> infinity: sorry work was calling but that's a good point! i'll see what i can do :D
[01:26] <skaet> wxl,  lubuntu desktop published...
[01:26] <wxl> skaet: thx! i'll get on it tonight!
[02:20] <skaet> edubuntu's posted
[07:15] <rickspencer3> hey all, what's the word on the street about B1? the smoke tests are looking good at leat ;)
[07:37] <jibel> hey rickspencer3
[07:37] <jibel> no major breakage.
[07:38] <jibel> everything has been respun during the night, and will be again today to catch latest fixes of ubiquity
[07:38] <jibel> we'll have a good picture of the candidates this afternoon
[10:15] <brendand> anyone else having a problem with the keyboard layout screen in ubiquity?
[10:17] <jibel> brendand, good morning
[10:17] <jibel> brendand, what kind of problem ?
[10:18] <brendand> the list views are unresponsive. i'm restarting and trying again
[10:18] <jibel> I have a problem in the sense that if I select French it uses a 'us' layout but not with the scren
[10:18] <jibel> screen
[10:19] <jibel> brendand, do you use arrozs to navigate the lists ?
[10:19] <jibel> *arrows
[10:19] <brendand> jibel, that doesn't work
[10:19] <brendand> jibel, i can't change the selection at all
[10:20] <brendand> also, i guess you've noticed the weird colours that notify-osd uses?
[10:20] <jibel> brendand, could be a regression due to
[10:20] <jibel>     - To avoid issues when quickly changing the selection (easily done by
[10:20] <jibel>       using the keyboard), add a 600ms delay to any user action, reset with
[10:20] <jibel>       any further action
[10:20] <jibel> in 2.9.22
[10:22] <rigved> hi everyone. what should i enter in as the api key on my user profile on http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/profile?
[10:22] <brendand> jibel - seems to work better now, but the delay is weird
[10:23] <brendand> jibel - seems more than 600ms
[10:23] <brendand> feels more like 2s
[10:23] <jibel> brendand, trying
[10:23] <brendand> jibel, maybe just the speed of the system though
[10:24] <brendand> jibel - could be something i did last time disturbed it into not working
[10:25] <jibel> brendand, system's speed shouldn't change time length. That's not a quantum laptop I guess
[10:26] <brendand> jibel - well, the perceived delay and the deliberate delay are different
[10:27] <brendand> jibel - did you see the camera bug i raised?
[10:27] <jibel> brendand, yes, I'll confirm it today.
[11:15] <jibel> brendand, I don't reproduce the 2s delay, but if the user is too slow, the focus changes from the list to the input field below the list
[11:16] <brendand> jibel, too slow to? make the first input on the screen?
[11:17] <jibel> brendand, doesn't press up/down arrows quickly to change the layout
[11:18] <jibel> well, and I can't focus the list with tab. keyboard navigation is broken on this screen
[11:19] <brendand> jibel, sounds like what i was seeing
[11:20] <jibel> hm, and cannot focus with the mouse even
[11:20] <jibel> filing a bug
[11:22] <jibel> and it's interesting that the actual keyboard layout doesn't match the selected layout
[11:34] <brendand> jibel, ok. it must be the first time i did it i waited for a while before pressing anything, then the next time i did it quickly
[11:34] <brendand> jibel, do you see problems with notify-osd as well?
[11:38] <jibel> brendand, yes, it's a nice light aubergine
[11:38] <brendand> jibel - sometimes it's rede
[11:38] <brendand> red
[11:38] <brendand> sometimes orange
[11:39] <jibel> I saw it blue
[11:39] <brendand> we can say it is non-deterministic :)
[11:39] <jibel> brendand, did you file a bug already
[11:39] <jibel> ?
[11:39] <brendand> jibel - not yet. i will now
[11:39] <jibel> thanks, I'll confirm it
[11:39] <brendand> jibel - how to file from within ubiquity itself?
[11:41] <jibel> brendand, without the desktop env, I don't think there is a way. you must quit ubiquity and it will start a session
[11:43] <brendand> i'll just do it from the live session
[11:45] <brendand> except i don't get any connection from the live session :(
[11:55] <brendand> jibel, so strange that it only happens in ubiquity
[11:55] <brendand> jibel, in the live session it's transparent
[13:03] <brendand> bug 942572
[13:03] <brendand> is mup on holiday?
[13:04] <brendand> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/942572
[13:07] <jibel> brendand, could you take a picture or a screenshot ?
[13:08] <brendand> ure
[13:08] <brendand> sure
[13:55] <jp_Hranice> Hallo. Got a question. My Ubiquity installer looks diferent after change from usb-creator to Unetbootin.
[13:55] <jp_Hranice> It seems do not match testcases on iso testing tracker.
[14:01] <brendand> jp_Hranice, what does it look like?
[14:03] <jp_Hranice> it is diferent. fistly it ask me for timezone
[14:03] <jp_Hranice> ... keyboard
[14:03] <jp_Hranice> disk partitioning is not fist step
[14:04] <brendand> jp_Hranice, which version?
[14:04] <jp_Hranice> daily life
[14:05] <brendand> ok
[14:05] <jp_Hranice> I do not know version of package
[14:05] <brendand> jibel - if i take a screenshot in ubiquity, where does it go? i can't find it
[14:07] <jibel> brendand, it goes to ~/Pictures IIRC
[14:08] <brendand> jibel, i guess that's only the case if you started ubiquity from the live session. in which case the bug is not reproducable
[14:24] <jp_Hranice> brendand: Miracle. I got no problem now.
[14:25] <jp_Hranice> brendand: I looks problem was in running of ubiquity from Unetbootin menu.
[16:51] <jibel> stgraber, bug 942706
[16:52] <jibel> stgraber, I think that explain the crash you fixed yesterday in ltsp-live
[16:55] <stgraber> jibel: yeah, I'll close it as LTSP on wireless can't work ...
[16:58] <bdmurray> could somebody test going to youtube.com when running a live cd?  I think the plugin finder experience is poor.
[17:02] <SpamapS> Heh.. you go to bed with a download running and wake up and its invalid. Well, thank god for zsync
[17:30] <roignac> bdmurray: i tried going to youtube.com from livecd
[17:30] <roignac> firefox sugegsted a plugin - only gnash, but failed to install it
[17:30] <bdmurray> roignac: right, that was my experience too
[17:30] <SergioMeneses> but why don't use youtube with html5
[17:30] <SergioMeneses> ?
[17:31] <SergioMeneses> or use the plugin non-free
[17:32] <roignac> SergioMeneses: that is livecd, no non-free components
[17:32] <SergioMeneses> roignac, oks... but you can use the html5 configuration
[17:32] <SergioMeneses> I did it
[17:32] <SergioMeneses> and works!
[17:32] <roignac> I would (and I did), but this is about Average Joe
[17:48] <roignac> bdmurray: i've reported https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/942778
[17:53] <bdmurray> roignac: awesome, thanks
[18:02] <SpamapS> so.. 20120228.1 is cut, but I don't see it on iso.qa.ubuntu.com ... ?
[18:08] <roignac> SpamapS: I suppose, this is a candidate to Precise Beta
[18:08] <jibel> SpamapS, refresh your browser ? it's there excepted arm which is still rebuilding
[18:10] <SpamapS> jibel: I did.. but its very confusing.. I was looking at the old build.. it should be much more apparent than "(archived)" that it has been superseded and I need to go look for a new one.
[18:13] <jibel> SpamapS, desk is close for complaints against the tracker ;)
[18:13] <jibel> stgraber, ^ for you
[18:40] <balloons> cr3, roadmr ping pong.. ;-)
[18:40] <roadmr> balloons: hey! how's it going?
[18:41] <balloons> not too bad, working on getting more tests out there.. I take it you saw my post.. I wanted to speak with ara and your team about plans for beta2 at some point
[18:41] <balloons> but for the moment I had a question about getting my branch onto the checkbox launchpad project
[18:42] <balloons> I'm a newbie to bzr and lp.. it seems I need some sort of project to accept merge requests and my junk branch won't cut it
[18:42] <roignac> balloons: just do 'bzr push lp:~nskaggs/checkbox/my_super_checkbox_branch' from your local branch
[18:43] <balloons> roignac, thanks :-) I knew there had to be a way to keep it in my personal
[18:43] <balloons> however it's a good point about potentially migrating to the actual project
[18:43] <balloons> so I thought I'd bring it up
[18:43] <balloons> i merged your gedit tests btw.. thanks!
[18:44] <roignac> I don't think checkbox guys will mind if you will create just another branch
[18:45] <roignac> great, I was just thinking about adapting checkbox UI to a real 'action' - 'result' layout
[18:45] <roignac> with potential connection to CaseConductor and so on
[18:46] <balloons> roignac, yep.. that's an idea I've been tossing around also
[18:48] <balloons> do you think you could write anymore tests today roignac?
[18:49] <roignac> ehm, 'today' - no, it is 10 PM here =)
[18:49] <roignac> tomorrow - yes, yes, definitely!
[18:49] <balloons> hehe
[18:49] <balloons> awesome.. did you see the list of apps?
[18:50] <balloons> you can see some have nothing.. I'm working on filling in the gaps but I can "save" an app for you if you wish.. lol
[18:50] <roignac> yep, I guess, I'll be able to write smoke tests for each app
[18:50] <roignac> I later will reserve some - like gedit
[18:50] <balloons> ok, I REALLY appreciate it
[18:51] <balloons> by the time you see the branch again it will have tests for everything on that list.. however basic.. feel free to expand on them
[18:52] <roignac> expanding is always easier than creating something from scratch, so this will draw more attention sooner or later
[18:53] <roignac> Yet checkbox should be modified for these changes - like screenshot button or 'report the bug' with pasting the steps possibly
[18:53] <balloons> trying to move the branch to lp:~nskaggs/checkbox/checkbox-app-testing
[18:53] <balloons> roignac, I am working with cr3 on making sure apport pops up to file a bug when you say 'no' to a test :-)
[18:54] <balloons> it's a start on getting there
[18:54] <roignac> yeah, the branch was created and can accept merge requests
[18:54] <roignac> hmm, good idea!
[18:55] <roignac> I'm not familiar with apport-bug, but can we insert a predefined text in bug description? That would be a great feature!
[18:55] <balloons> we can predefine a tag
[18:55] <balloons> should be able to do description as well.. will have to talk to cr3
[18:55] <balloons> and yes.. it would be sweet ;-) we're thinking along the same lines
[18:57] <yofel> you can pre-define bug titles in apport hooks
[18:57] <yofel> description should be doable as well
[18:59] <balloons> arggh. I can't push to my own branch.. got that same bzr bug :-(
[19:03] <roignac> balloons: hmm, which bzr bug?
[19:04] <balloons> i had to push to old one and rebranch
[19:04] <balloons> one I reported yesterday
[19:04] <balloons> sort of a weird error
[19:04] <balloons> let me find
[19:04] <balloons> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bzr/+bug/942150
[19:04] <roignac> hmm, yeah, sometimes bzr just goes crazy out of nowhere
[19:05] <balloons> thanks for letting me know on the merge tho.. updating the post and wiki
[19:05] <roignac> np
[19:05] <roignac> see ya guys tomorrow
[19:31] <yofel> against what should one file a bug about the system not booting with 'vt.handoff=7' on?
[19:35] <SpamapS> yofel: probably 'linux'
[19:35] <SpamapS> yofel: thoul could be plymouth too
[19:36] <yofel> I'll file it against linux and hope someone notices it
[19:37] <SpamapS> yofel: hope is not a strategy.. ;)
[19:37] <yofel> for kernel bugs hope is the only strategy in my experience...
[19:49] <yofel> ok, it's not plymouth. Plymouth is actually there on tty7, but by default I always only get a blinking cursor instead. Filed against the kernel
[20:14] <balloons> cr3, whenever your around I'd like to have some more help on the apport error :-)
[20:18] <cr3> balloons: ok, all yours now. what's up?
[20:18] <balloons> cr3, :-) kk
[20:19] <balloons> we had started to discuss this error:
[20:19] <balloons> 2012-02-28 15:11:17,684 ERROR    Error running event handler /usr/share/checkbox/plugins/apport_prompt.py ApportPrompt.prompt_test(<checkbox_gtk.gtk_interface.GTKInterface object at 0x217add0>, {'status': 'fail', 'data': '', 'description': u"1. Open Terminal using the dash, and typing 'terminal'\n2. Click on Edit, select Profiles, select Edit and select colours.\n3. Modify the colours to a different set\n   -> Colors change in terminal\n4. Set a
[20:19] <balloons>  Background Image\n   -> Terminal background changes\n5. Change the Zoom Level\n   -> Zoom level changes in terminal", 'plugin': 'manual', 'suite': '__gnometerminal__', 'type': 'test', 'requires': ["package.name == 'gnome-terminal'"], 'resources': [{'status': 'Installed', 'desired': 'Install', 'version': '3.3.0-0ubuntu1', 'name': 'gnome-terminal', 'description': 'GNOME terminal emulator application'}], 'name': 'gnometerminal/ter-002'}) for event
[20:19] <balloons>  type 'prompt-test'
[20:19] <balloons> Traceback (most recent call last):
[20:19] <balloons>   File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/checkbox/reactor.py", line 74, in fire
[20:19] <balloons>     results.append(handler(*args, **kwargs))
[20:19] <balloons>   File "/usr/share/checkbox/plugins/apport_prompt.py", line 229, in prompt_test
[20:19] <balloons>     'suite:' : test["suite"]}
[20:19] <balloons> KeyError: 'suite'
[20:19] <balloons> yikes.. that was a bit bigger to paste than i thought, sorry
[20:19] <wxl> balloons: hello?
[20:20] <cr3> balloons: yeah, what wxl said :)
[20:20] <balloons> very sorry
[20:20] <wxl> sorry for being complainy but that sucks :D
[20:20] <cr3> no worries, honnest mistake :)
[20:20] <wxl> and yes, complainy is a euphamism :D
[20:20] <wxl> but yeah, no worries
[20:21] <wxl> irssi won't let you make those big pastes without prompting you (hint hint)
[20:21] <cr3> balloons: let me try your branch to reproduce the problem
[20:21] <balloons> :-) I'm lame wxl.. I use znc, but xchat anyway
[20:21] <balloons> cr3 I moved my branch fyi
[20:21] <cr3> wxl: all other irc clients should spontaneously combust when irssi was introduced :)
[20:21] <balloons> bzr branch lp:~nskaggs/checkbox/checkbox-app-testing
[20:21] <cr3> balloons: thanks
[20:21] <wxl> oooh that is semi lame balloons ;)
[20:22] <wxl> cr3: +1 ;)
[20:22] <wxl> tmux+irssi+bitlbee ftw!
[20:22] <balloons> yep.. znc running on an ec2 machine.. that I xchat into from my desktop
[20:22] <balloons> hahahah
[20:22] <cr3> wxl: I also use bitlbee but not tmux, what's it for?
[20:22] <wxl> cr3: tmux is a screen replacement that's a lot nicer and not so "antique" feeling :D
[20:22] <balloons> it's like byobu i think
[20:23] <cr3> wxl: I'm a curmudgeon, so screen all the way
[20:24] <wxl> i resisted it for a long time
[20:24] <wxl> in fact i re-bound all my keys to be screen-like
[20:25] <cr3> wxl: I also use ratpoison, which I hope will not get me kicked from this channel, which is like a screen window manager. same key bindings and all, except for the control key of course :)
[20:25] <wxl> hahahah sweet
[20:25] <wxl> real users use wmii tho cr3 ;)
[20:25] <wxl> j/k
[20:26] <cr3> wxl: it's the reuse of key bindings that attracted me, just like I use the same key bindings in my editor as in my shell. my brain can only take so much
[20:26] <wxl> no wait dwm is more hardcore :D
[20:27] <cr3> wxl: I also tried ion but I could feel the lua oosing from it, to which I couldn't relate
[20:27] <wxl> hahah understandable
[20:27] <wxl> i'm entertained by ratpoison/wmii/dwm/etc. but in the end i'm comfortable with a terminal when i need it and a standard desktop when i don't
[20:28] <wxl> for that matter, i much prefer just a terminal anyways, but there's a few things that are easier with a traditional gui
[20:28] <cr3> wxl: a terminal and browser are usually the only two windows I have open, that's it
[20:29] <wxl> to give you a sense, i'm one of those rare mac users that knows how to use the terminal (and its incredibly funky take on freebsd)
[20:30] <wxl> i must admit i haven't found the perfect email client for terminal. alpine is darn close but it a pain when it comes to dealing with highly organized imap folders across many different accounts (which i strangely have)
[20:30] <wxl> honestly though it deals with it a heck of a lot better than most gui clients, thunderbird excluded
[20:31] <cr3> wxl: I settled for mutt when I finally took the decision to pull email locally and leave a backup copy in gmail, along with procmail it's really powerful
[20:32] <wxl> meh maybe i should give it a go again
[20:33] <cr3> wxl: you could then pickup chicks: "hey baby, I use mutt"
[20:33] <cr3> works all the time
[20:33] <wxl> hahahah
[20:33] <wxl> yeah because my sex life has increased greatly since using bitlbee
[20:34] <wxl> http://www.bitlbee.org/img/comic_3.0.png
[20:35] <cr3> wxl: utopia!
[20:35] <wxl> heh
[20:36] <cr3> balloons: I just tried answering "no" to a gedit test and I'm seeing apport collecting information which will probably finish at some point
[20:36] <balloons> lol.. of course you are!
[20:36] <cr3> balloons: so, here's a suggestion: 1. rm -fr ~/.checkbox and try again; 2. let me know which test you tried and failed to get apport to report
[20:36] <cr3> balloons: oh wait, I was running on oneiric though!
[20:37] <balloons> ok, well still that's a good sign
[20:37] <cr3> balloons: let me try something else but please try to rm -fr ~/.checkbox while we're at it
[20:38] <balloons> yep, same error after clearing.. tried saying no to first gedit test
[20:47] <cr3> balloons: I can reproduce the problem, now looking into it
[20:52] <balloons> cr3, awesome thank you
[21:40] <botfather> oi
[22:15] <balloons> cr3, any updates?
[22:25] <cr3> balloons: sorry, got side tracked :(
[23:06] <botfather> ubuntulog: version
[23:06] <botfather> hmm