[00:07] <AlanBell> !info python-zsi
[00:07] <AlanBell> !info python-zsi precise
[00:07] <AlanBell> !info python-zsi testing
[01:14] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jono Bacon] Tutorial Video: Reporting a Bug in Ubuntu - http://www.jonobacon.org/2012/02/28/tutorial-video-reporting-a-bug-in-ubuntu/
[03:14] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jono Bacon] launchpadlib et al Guidance - http://www.jonobacon.org/2012/02/28/launchpadlib-et-al-guidance/
[04:14] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jono Bacon] Call For Manual Test Writers - http://www.jonobacon.org/2012/02/28/call-for-manual-test-writers/
[06:07] <knightwise> hey hey
[07:38] <popey> Morning all
[07:39] <TheOpenSourcerer> art'nune
[07:39] <czajkowski> morning
[07:40] <TheOpenSourcerer> Interesting device: http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/news/2012/02/linux-computer-the-size-of-a-thumb-drive-now-available-for-preorder.ars Not cheap though...
[07:42] <popey> riding on the raspberry pi coat-tails of mindshare
[07:50] <TheOpenSourcerer> WP7 has a rather gaping flaw: http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2012/02/skype-beta-for-windows-phone-arrives-but-it-shows-the-limits-of-the-platform.ars
[07:54] <popey> daubers: next time you see your guy from black magic, can you tell them their support sucks giant donkeys balls
[07:56] <czajkowski> and good morning to you to popey
[07:58] <knightwise> hey everyone
[07:58] <knightwise> good morning ! :
[08:06] <MooDoo> hello all
[08:10] <knightwise> hey moodoo , how are you today
[08:11] <MooDoo> knightwise: ah not bad thanks
[08:12] <MooDoo> you?
[08:20] <knightwise> Doin fine ,
[08:20] <knightwise> just pimped out my old EEEPc 701 with Crunchbang , remote SSH and teamviewer
[08:20] <knightwise> gonna shove it under a closet at my parents place and use it as a remote little server
[08:21] <daubers> popey: ?
[08:21] <daubers> also, morning
[08:21] <popey> morning
[08:22] <daubers> Not got your card back yet? or back in the same state?
[08:22] <popey> no, i moved the card to another pc to test it
[08:22] <popey> and can't compile the silly binary driver for it
[08:22] <popey> so can't use it at all
[08:22] <daubers> Ah. *nix binary driver?
[08:22] <popey> yes
[08:22] <daubers> What kernel?
[08:23] <popey> 3.2.0
[08:24] <daubers> 12.04?
[08:24] <popey> ya
[08:24] <daubers> Wonder if a kernel change has broked it... they test upto 11.04
[08:24] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/860235
[08:26]  * daubers grabs and has a mooch
[08:28] <daubers> Also, looking at a phone for work... don't want another galaxy s2 (too confusing) any opinions on the HTC sensation?
[08:31] <daubers> popey: You running 64bit or 32bit?
[08:32] <popey> 64
[08:35]  * daubers install dkms
[08:38] <daubers> popey: Did you pop them a support thing?
[08:39] <popey> i emailed them
[08:39] <daubers> ok
[08:39] <popey> on the 23rd
[08:39] <daubers> No reply at all?
[08:40] <popey> nope
[08:40] <daubers> Hmm....
[08:40] <daubers> I'll ring them and harass them when their office opens
[08:40] <popey> hence my donkey balls comment
[08:40] <popey> but you shouldn't have to
[08:40] <daubers> Heh, general comment on _everywhere_ is that if you want something done, use the telephone
[08:41] <daubers> As when you email, it'll depend who's desk the email ends up
[08:41] <czajkowski> today is a bacon sandwich day, which is usually only reserved for weekend treats, but due to emails at this hour of the morning, I need cheering up
[08:41] <popey> daubers: gimmie their phone number and I will call them
[08:42] <daubers> czajkowski: http://youtu.be/BhUZmvAEIN4 <- that'll cheer you up
[08:42] <daubers> popey: +44 1565 830049
[08:42] <popey> ta
[08:42] <daubers> Office opens at 9
[08:44] <MooDoo> hugs and prods to czajkowski as i've not done in awhile and davmor2 isn't here
[08:46] <daubers> When I look at bike insurance costs, I often wonder why I own a car
[08:47] <MooDoo> daubers: costs me about 300 ish a year fully comp
[08:47] <daubers> MooDoo: Little commuter is £87 TFT
[08:47] <daubers> MooDoo: Car is ~£700
[08:47] <MooDoo> daubers: my bike is a 600cc
[08:47] <popey> my car is ~300
[08:47]  * daubers gets grumpy about old people who managed to get car insurance when it was sensibly priced
[08:48] <MooDoo> daubers: my insurance goes down this year to as i'm 40 ;) lol
[08:48]  * daubers shakes fist in a grumpy manner
[08:49] <daubers> Old people have all the benefits. They had sensibly priced insurance, sensibly priced houses and managed to take advantage of things like the stock market before it broke
[08:49]  * popey pokes aquarius with bug 942312
[08:49] <aquarius> popey, that's a dobey thing, or a mandel thing, that
[08:50] <popey> ok
[08:53] <diplo> Morning all
[08:55] <Mez> I know I connected to IRC for something ... but can't remember what...
[08:57]  * christel cheers czajkowski up
[08:57]  * MooDoo hugs christel just coz he can :D
[08:58] <christel> wooo
[08:58]  * christel hugs MooDoo 
[08:58] <MooDoo> yay o/
[08:59] <czajkowski> christel: <3
[09:00] <czajkowski> christel: wanna see bday pics of cuteness
[09:03] <MooDoo> czajkowski: do we really wanna see pics of you? ;) lol
[09:04] <christel> haha
[09:04] <christel> he loved rugby tots
[09:04] <czajkowski> eh no
[09:04] <czajkowski> christel: awww
[09:07] <MooDoo> i asked my son if he liked rugby the other day while watching england, he said no it's boring, i feel so ashamed :S
[09:07] <MooDoo> lol
[09:08] <AlanBell> this is a thing that bastubis (Paula) is putting together -> http://www.flossie.org/?page_id=175
[09:08] <christel> MooDoo: haha
[09:09] <christel> MooDoo: i felt slightly mean taking him to rugby tots, they do 2-3.5 years, the other kids were like 3-3.5, he started the day before his second birthday
[09:09] <christel> so he was TINY compared to the rest of them
[09:09] <christel> he was a tad unsure to start with but then he got really into it
[09:10] <MooDoo> christel: well he's only 3 lol
[09:10] <MooDoo> l
[09:11] <christel> his paternal grandfather used to play for pontyprydd(sp?) and rugby is huge on that side of the family
[09:12] <christel> so i had no choice but to start him early as they've decided he's going to become an international (grandad has it all sussed out, he says that if he's really good he can play for wales, if he's not quite as good he can play for england and if he's really rubbish he can play for norway)
[09:12] <christel> (it makes me giggle)
[09:18] <bigcalm[xoom]> Good morning 1 and all
[09:19] <czajkowski> christel: wales did very good at the weekend against england :)
[09:19] <TheOpenSourcerer> that was a cracking game - best I have seen in ages.
[09:20] <TheOpenSourcerer> England played really well for a new team but Wales deserved the win.
[09:20] <czajkowski> TheOpenSourcerer: see now why can't you be as gracious when ireland win :)
[09:20] <christel> yeah, thank god -- we had the in-laws here and i feared they'd get divorced (i always do when england - wales play)
[09:20] <TheOpenSourcerer> Isn't it obvious czajkowski?
[09:21] <christel> how was your game in reading btw?
[09:21] <czajkowski> christel: good fun
[09:21] <czajkowski> winning till the last 2 mins literally
[09:21] <TheOpenSourcerer> We are taking the kids to this: http://www.saracensatwembley.com/
[09:22] <czajkowski> lotta messy ball playing but was nice
[09:22] <czajkowski> TheOpenSourcerer: sweet
[09:22] <czajkowski> shall be going back to ireland that day
[09:22] <TheOpenSourcerer> £40 for the family :-D
[09:22] <czajkowski> thats very good
[09:22] <czajkowski> I do liek the fact that rugby gamves over here are pretty reasonable to go to tbh
[09:22] <TheOpenSourcerer> Yeah - £15 adults, £5 kids. Via the school.
[09:23] <czajkowski> bar the flipping international ones :/
[09:25] <christel> nice
[09:25] <diplo> bigcalm[xoom], Still broke then ? 12.47 didn't come to fruition ?
[09:26]  * czajkowski wants tickets for ireland v engalnd on paddys day :(
[09:28] <daubers> bigcalm[xoom]: time to change providers?
[09:32] <mattt> yeeehaw
[09:33] <mattt> czajkowski: oooh, that'll be a good game
[09:33] <bigcalm[xoom]> diplo: this is the case. The service status page still says 12.47am today. They aren't very good at communicating to customers
[09:34] <bigcalm[xoom]> daubers: na, it's just a bumb in the road I hope. Will wait it out but will still be moaning about it ;)
[09:34] <diplo> heh I know bigcalm[xoom]
[09:35] <diplo> Have you tried via twitter/mailing lists
[09:35] <diplo> Used to be very active on ML's
[09:35] <diplo> Level 2's
[09:36] <daubers> bigcalm[xoom]: Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha
[09:36] <daubers> bigcalm[xoom]: VM have always been terrible (YMMV)
[09:37] <popey> MMV
[09:37] <daubers> It also seems to vary hugely on which cable provider used to be in your area before VM bought them
[09:37] <bigcalm[xoom]> I've had a good service from them in general
[09:38] <bigcalm[xoom]> Morning pope
[09:38] <TheOpenSourcerer> That's a bloody good deal: www.somobile.co.uk/news/2012/02/28/htc-one-x-available-free-on-31-t-mobile-tariff/
[09:38] <bigcalm[xoom]> Y
[09:38] <bigcalm[xoom]> popey
[09:38] <czajkowski> we've just handed in notice to VM and are leaving them
[09:38] <TheOpenSourcerer> Think now I'm going to wait for the S III though.
[09:38] <czajkowski> upping rates for no reason
[09:39] <diplo> heh TheOpenSourcerer I'm thinking the same thing
[09:39] <bigcalm[xoom]> Telewest here
[09:40] <diplo> TW for me as well, overall they were always good
[09:40] <daubers> I'm half tempted to get a windows phone for work
[09:41] <daubers> just to see if they're any good
[09:41] <TheOpenSourcerer> daubers: Did you see this? http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2012/02/skype-beta-for-windows-phone-arrives-but-it-shows-the-limits-of-the-platform.ars
[09:42] <daubers> TheOpenSourcerer: Yeah... they're still a bit behind
[09:42] <TheOpenSourcerer> No multi-tasking for voip - so Skype is pretty broken.
[09:42] <TheOpenSourcerer> Bizarre.
[09:44] <daubers> It's annoying that vodafone don't seem to have any phones with NFC in other than the Nexus
[09:46] <bigcalm[xoom]|> It's still a new
[09:46] <bigcalm[xoom]|> Tech
[09:47] <bigcalm[xoom]|> Blah tablet keyboard. I should use the voice to text
[09:47] <mattt> yikes, i just subscribed to VM :-/
[09:48] <mattt> i thought the service so far has been good tho, the guy who installed the service gave me someone's mobile # to ring if we had any issues/questions
[09:48] <mattt> thought that was kind of out htere
[09:49] <gordonjcp> mattt: if it's an initial install quite often the engineer will give you one of his install team's mobile numbers in case there are problems with the install
[09:50] <diplo> Doubt it works mattt  :)
[09:50] <mattt> diplo: kinda had that feeling also :)
[09:50] <mattt> gordonjcp: suppose so, guess i haven't had cable set up enough :)
[09:50] <diplo> heh like the women who give out fake numbers
[09:51] <diplo> TheOpenSourcerer, Going to use your new notes tonight for OpenERP on my home PC
[09:51] <diplo> Will let you know how well they work :)
[09:51] <TheOpenSourcerer> Cool
[09:51] <TheOpenSourcerer> Have had almost 30 comments already.
[09:51] <TheOpenSourcerer> Seems to work fine for most.
[09:52] <diplo> Good, mine was working fine but want a clean install now I sort of understand it
[09:53] <diplo> Going to make an image for these guys to play with at home
[10:00] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[10:03] <hoover> hi all
[10:04] <brobostigon> hi hoover
[10:07] <JamesTait> Good morning all! :D
[10:09] <MooDoo> morning
[10:10] <brobostigon> where are $term entries stored?
[10:11] <brobostigon> ie, the entries i get, when i run set in terminal.
[10:11] <dwatkins> stored whilst the terminal is running, or read from when it starts, brobostigon?
[10:12] <brobostigon> dwatkins: good question, i am getting an error with byobu, that asks me to edit $term, when i try and start it from connectbot.
[10:13] <popey> that will be set by your terminal
[10:13] <popey> connectbot in this case
[10:13] <dwatkins> I thought it was in /etc/termcap or something like that, but I may be misunderstanding
[10:13] <dwatkins> Is it not an uppercase $TERM?
[10:13] <dwatkins> I had to set this up manually for my serial-connected WYSE 35 terminal a few years back, I just used 'termcap' iirc
[10:13] <brobostigon> popey: ok, so it will be a setting in connectbot somewhere
[10:14] <brobostigon> ??
[10:14] <dwatkins> Perhaps 'terminfo' instead, but you shouldn't have to do that. What's the error, brobostigon?
[10:15] <dwatkins> I tend to cheat and set TERM=linux screen -dr
[10:15] <dwatkins> (because I connect to screen from inside screen and it doesn't understand the TERM setting it provides to itself, ironically)
[10:16] <brobostigon> ERROR: Sessions should be nested with care. Remove 'screen' from $TERM to force.
[10:16] <brobostigon> that is the error.
[10:16] <HoaxKey> \join #latex
[10:16] <dwatkins> sounds similar to what I get.
[10:16] <HoaxKey> whoops
[10:17] <popey> surely you're already in screen, trying to start screen
[10:17] <popey> that seems not what you want
[10:18] <dwatkins> popey: I run screen on my Mac, ssh to my ubuntu machine, and reconnect there.
[10:18] <dwatkins> I also ssh to a BSD box and reconnect to a screen session there.
[10:19] <czajkowski> is AlanBell alive? or have the chickens come home to roost
[10:19] <dwatkins> hmmm, it doesn't seem to need my "TERM=linux" today, I wonder what changed.
[10:19] <popey> dwatkins: i mean, brobostigon is inside screen and he's trying to re-attach to screen
[10:19] <popey> which seems to not be what he wants
[10:20] <brobostigon> byobu with screen, yes.
[10:20] <dwatkins> ah yes, that does seem a little recursive ;)
[10:21] <dwatkins> I've had nested screen sessions on the same machine before, though.
[10:24] <czajkowski> bah poxy credit checks am gonna keep failing them for 2 more years so cant buy a phone on contract
[10:26] <dwatkins> was someone at your address naughty, czajkowski? :-/
[10:26] <MooDoo> czajkowski: pain in the ass that is isn't it :(
[10:29] <bigcalm[xoom]> Note to self: tablet Internet connection will drop if you remove the phone from house
[10:31] <DJones> bigcalm[xoom]: Stop working in the garden then
[10:31] <s-fox> Hello.
[10:31] <czajkowski> dwatkins: I'm not here three years
[10:32] <czajkowski> doesnt matter about my address
[10:32] <bigcalm[xoom]> DJones: I went to bring the wheely bin back to the house. Never know when you'll need your phone
[10:32] <DJones> Hah
[10:36] <bigcalm[xoom]> Mmmmm, that was a good pot noodle
[10:37] <gord> i've never seen the words "good" and "Pot noodle" in the same sentence before... you must be sick, poor guy
[10:37] <bigcalm[xoom]> :p
[10:38]  * diplo agress with gord 
[10:40] <mattt> czajkowski: when we moved to UK, my gf was able to get a contract w/ vodafone immediately, i wasn't
[10:40] <mattt> neither of us had lved in UK before :-/
[10:40] <bigcalm[xoom]> I add soya and tabasco sauce
[10:40] <brobostigon> ok, weird, byobu -r -d, worked in connectbot.
[10:41] <diplo> bigcalm[xoom], and that makes it better... it's still a pot noodle :D
[10:42] <gord> bigcalm[xoom], buy a wok, boil up some noodles or rice, throw some veggies and meat in the wok, cook it up with some nice sauce, throw the noodles in, instant tasty food, takes about as long as a pot noodle too :P
[10:42] <daubers> \o/ confused the estate agents
[10:43] <bigcalm[xoom]> gord: far too much hassle
[10:47] <AlanBell> czajkowski: yes, quite alive
[10:51] <andyloughran> guys - anyone know of good alternatives to TinyMCE / CKEditor?
[10:52] <andyloughran> pref Open Source (bien sur)
[10:52] <andyloughran> big part would be the images side of things?
[10:54] <andyloughran> man, quiet in here today?
[10:54] <diplo> KCFinder andylockran
[10:54] <diplo> oops
[10:54] <andyloughran> :p
[10:54] <diplo> andyloughran,
[10:55] <andyloughran> is that not open source ?
[10:55] <diplo> It is
[10:55] <andyloughran> CKFinder _is_ open source?
[10:55] <diplo> It's licensed, KCFinder is a rewrite of CKFinder because he didn't like the license
[10:55] <diplo> sunhater.com or something i think
[10:56] <andyloughran> merci
[10:56] <diplo> This is from memory, not looked in a while :)
[10:56] <diplo> We use kcfinder in our app, funnily enough working on it right this second
[10:56] <oimon> can anyone convince me that 12.04 is worth trying to solve my performance problems for gnome shell / nvidia / 11.10 ?
[10:57] <oimon> about to go back to 10.04
[10:57] <davmor2> morning all, czajkowski prod!
[10:57] <czajkowski> davmor2: ello ello
[10:58] <czajkowski> https://twitter.com/#!/czajkowski/status/174447686420926464/photo/1
[11:01] <AlanBell> oimon: I tend to thing forwards is a better direction than backwards
[11:03] <oimon> AlanBell, define "forwards" :)
[11:03] <oimon> linux is broken for me since 2011
[11:03]  * popey notes a potential large performance boost in compiz in the pipeline
[11:03] <AlanBell> so go to the latest release, and fix it
[11:04] <AlanBell> or beyond the latest release as the case may be
[11:05] <popey> https://code.launchpad.net/~vanvugt/compiz-core/fix-940139/+merge/94728
[11:05] <AlanBell> popey: on specific chipsets or in general?
[11:05] <popey> "DOUBLED the CPU performance of compiz. "
[11:05] <oimon> looks like unity has the same issues http://askubuntu.com/questions/78237/unity-3d-with-nvidia-driver-becomes-very-slow-and-laggy
[11:05] <AlanBell> woah
[11:05] <popey> indeed
[11:06] <popey> this build of compiz should have it https://launchpad.net/~sil2100/+archive/ppa
[11:06] <TheOpenSourcerer> andylockran: Have you seen http://aloha-editor.org/ before?
[11:07] <popey> oimon: bug filed?
[11:07]  * popey filed bug 942545 if anyone has five mins to test from a live stick I'd appreciate it
[11:07] <oimon> popey, yes i clicked "me too" but can't find it atm
[11:10] <diplo> TheOpenSourcerer, I like the look of that, and you poked the wrong andyloughran
[11:10] <TheOpenSourcerer> gah
[11:10] <diplo> :D
[11:10] <diplo> I did to before
[11:10] <TheOpenSourcerer> andyloughran: Have you seen http://aloha-editor.org/ before?
[11:11] <oimon> is the global menu "turn off" option coming to 12.04?
[11:11] <andyloughran> TheOpenSourcerer:  I've not, thamnks
[11:12] <popey> oimon: not sure yet
[11:13] <oimon> aww.
[11:13] <oimon> still hoping that it will move the buttons onto the app window for maximised apps
[11:14] <popey> que?
[11:15] <popey> the close/min/max buttons?
[11:15] <popey> where would they go in the window?
[11:16] <AlanBell> oimon: put your buttons back on the left!
[11:19] <oimon> i've tried...i just hate the left buttons/global menu layout so much
[11:19] <oimon> :(
[11:20] <davmor2> MooDoo: Morning dude
[11:20] <MooDoo> davmor2: ello laddo...
[11:29] <daubers> You know sometimes you have one of those days? Should they last 2 weeks?
[11:31] <andyloughran> yo
[11:34] <davmor2> daubers: in your case you possibly deserved it who did you annoy ;)
[11:34] <popey> chaps
[11:34] <davmor2> popey: morning dude
[11:34] <popey> this is an odd question.
[11:34] <popey> is it possible to stop the clock on my laptop?
[11:34] <popey> or slow it down dramatically
[11:34] <popey> so it always says "12.04" for like an hour
[11:34] <daubers> umm... why?
[11:34] <popey> so i can record video and know it will always say that
[11:35] <daubers> you could just put "date" into a while loop?
[11:35] <daubers> Might break stuff that relies on the clock
[11:36] <davmor2> popey: what happens to the clock if you open up clock setting and unlock it does it carry on as normal or does it stop where it is like a watch does?
[11:36] <popey> it carries on
[11:37] <daubers> popey: Be better to patch the clock widget thing :)
[11:37] <popey> hah
[11:38] <gord> argh
[11:38] <gord> ubuntu one decided to lose my files
[11:39] <davmor2> gord: blame aq
[11:39] <czajkowski> gord: you're not having a good week are you
[11:40] <daubers> popey: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/860402/
[11:40] <daubers> popey: May break things that rely on the clock :)
[11:40] <bigcalm[xoom]> Does u1 not have versioning?
[11:41] <popey> no
[11:41] <popey> haha daubers
[11:41] <gord> ugh yeah it lost my entire .vim directory
[11:42] <popey> have mine, it's empty already
[11:42] <daubers> Hmm... might have broken my mqtt connections by faffing with the clock...
[11:42] <popey> haha
[11:42] <daubers> Also apparently it breaks ping :)
[11:43] <davmor2> gord: you mean you have no backups, and has it actually wiped them from you system or just lost them online if it is the latter I'm pretty sure you can set it up to resync
[11:44] <gord> davmor2, i had an old .vim directory inside ~/Ubuntu One/ - copied my new vim directory into it, it decided to sync over the old vim directory that contained almost nothing
[11:45] <davmor2> gord: yes that's what it does you need to rename the file if you want more than one
[11:45] <gord> davmor2, no, it should of synced the new directory into the cloud and replicated on my other machines
[11:46] <daubers> Anybody know what the clock widget is actually called?
[11:46] <gord> i didn't want more than one, i wanted it to replace the old with the new
[11:46] <gord> daubers, indicator-datetime - its not a widget
[11:48] <dwatkins> heh, Ubuntu just told me I have a good password ;)
[11:48] <daubers> gord: Ta
[11:52] <daubers> gord: Can't actually find the indicator in the source... am I looking in the wrong place? Found all the gumpf for the settings panel
[11:52] <daubers> ah, hang on
[11:52] <daubers> found it
[11:52] <daubers> me being dumb again
[11:57] <popey> i tried attaching to the indicator-datetime using gdb to pause it
[11:59] <daubers> popey: Found a way to do it :)
[12:00] <daubers> popey: Use gconf editor, goto com->canonical->datetime set custom-time-format to 12:04 andd time-format to custom
[12:00] <daubers> and reberta is your transexual aunty
[12:00] <daubers> s/reberta/roberta
[12:01] <daubers> dconf-editor even
[12:02] <daubers> and it doesn't even break the system clock \o/
[12:02] <daubers> There's probably a way to do this using gsettings too
[12:02] <popey> i dont have datetime in canonical
[12:02] <popey> ahh, indicator
[12:03] <daubers> If you put random text in the custom-time-format box that appears in there too :)
[12:03]  * popey notes it's nearly 12.04
[12:04] <daubers> It's been 12:04 for the last 4 minutes :p
[12:04] <popey> mine didnt work
[12:05] <popey> ahh, didnt set format to custom
[12:05] <popey> brilliant!
[12:05] <popey> thank you!
[12:05] <daubers> Don't fprget to change it back, or you'll be late/early for everything
[12:06] <popey> hah
[12:43] <daubers> I do like the fact that my HDD is now the bottleneck with USB3
[12:46] <directhex> ssd time!
[12:47] <directhex> i have a new bin! \o/ o// \\o
[12:52] <AlanBell> popey: perma-lunchtime
[12:52] <popey> doubly so
[12:52] <directhex> i have a box of wine boxes i can't use :(
[12:52] <popey> i bought a USB3 to SATA converter. don't buy it, its broken ☹
[12:52] <popey> http://www.amazon.co.uk/TeckNet-2-5USB-SATA-Drive-Enclosure/dp/B000WP3GG8/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1330353401&sr=8-1  <- good
[12:53] <daubers> I've got an icybox one
[12:53] <popey> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Midte-External-Drive-Adapter-Cable/dp/B004LO59MK/ref=sr_1_11?ie=UTF8&qid=1330353299&sr=8-11  <- bad
[12:53] <popey> link me up please!
[12:53] <directhex> i've got sata ports on the back of my case
[12:53] <directhex> and some molex power sockets
[12:53] <daubers> Think it's this one... http://www.amazon.co.uk/IB-250StU3-BH-Enclosure-inch-12-5mm-Height/dp/B003XG08PA/ref=sr_1_2?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1330433610&sr=1-2
[12:53] <daubers> hang on, I'll find the box :)
[12:54] <daubers> It's an IB250 series
[12:54] <daubers> It is that one
[12:54] <daubers> part numbers match
[12:54] <popey> does it have a USB 3 port?
[12:54] <popey> doesnt look big enough
[12:54] <daubers> It's got one of the long USB3 ports
[12:54] <popey> did it come with a cable?
[12:55] <daubers> Yup :) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Connector_USB_3_IMGP6033_wp_.jpg <- It's one of those
[12:55] <popey> golly
[12:55] <popey> need one kinda pronto ☹
[12:55] <daubers> Oh dear
[12:55] <davmor2> hey bigcalm[xoom] sadtrombone.com on VM
[12:55] <popey> ooo icybox is eligible for prime
[12:55] <popey> winner
[12:56] <popey> does it work in ubuntu daubers ?
[12:56] <daubers> Umm... seems to be on my laptop :) Suppose it should do as long as your USB3 ports work
[12:56] <daubers> It's just a mass storage majibber
[12:56] <popey> no
[12:57] <popey> i have discovered this today
[12:57] <daubers> really?
[12:57] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/860459/
[12:57] <popey> Feb 28 12:36:10 ubuntu kernel: [  438.138656] xhci_hcd 0000:0e:00.0: Timeout while waiting for address device command
[12:57] <popey> not all usb enclosures are the same
[12:57] <daubers> well, I'm currently copying stuff onto mine at ~ 80MB/s
[12:57] <daubers> using ubuntu
[12:57] <popey> which kernel?
[12:57] <daubers> 3.2.0-17-generic
[12:57] <popey> winner
[12:58] <daubers> works with 12.5mm drives too, which is why I got it
[13:01] <bigcalm[xoom]> davmor2: you've just noticed? ;)
[13:01] <davmor2> bigcalm[xoom]: no I just had time to mention it as I've killed the thing I'm testing and now need to wait for the devs to fix it
[13:02] <bigcalm[xoom]> Heh
[13:02]  * popey wonders how long to cook his beef wellington
[13:02] <davmor2> popey: long enough for it to be cooked
[13:03] <AlanBell> popey has beef wellington, I have beans on toast
[13:04] <gord> gord has nothing because the delivery man will show up the minute he leaves the house to get some grub
[13:10] <brobostigon> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1507816 interesting, for those that use android.
[13:12] <popey> meh
[13:13] <popey> i have an iphone with siri and have yet to use it other than test it for amusement ☺
[13:13] <brobostigon> agreed, that it is,
[13:14] <gord> i do use google voice search quite often
[13:14] <gord> but that is mostly because i hate typing on touch screens
[13:14] <ging> i tried evi on my s2
[13:15] <ging> i asked it what oil i needed to top up a 2005 mini cooper S, it gave me an answer about losing weight
[13:16] <brobostigon> lol
[13:16] <ging> now they are threatening to remove evi from the apple app store because it's too similar to siri, which i guess means siri is also terrible
[13:17] <gordonjcp> ging: to be fair if you lost weight the engine wouldn't have to work so hard and you'd get longer oil change intervals
[13:17] <gordonjcp> depending on how much you weigh to begin with
[13:21] <ging> the answer was something about being worried you are losing too much weight
[13:21] <ging> told me maybe i have a medical condition
[13:24] <ging> to be fair the correct answer did turn out to be stupidly complicated
[13:25] <shauno> I hope our robot overlords have a little more tact than that.  "it's difficult to explain .. so have a veiled insult instead"
[13:35] <davmor2> czajkowski: prod
[13:36] <czajkowski> davmor2: herrrrroo
[13:38] <davmor2> czajkowski: stop trying to sound cute it doesn't suit you ;)  I'm down your way on the 6th
[13:38] <czajkowski> of march?
[13:45] <aquarius> directhex, I have 1.2. :)
[13:45] <davmor2> czajkowski: yeap
[13:46] <gord> oh, u1 lost a bunch of other files too
[13:48] <czajkowski> davmor2: cool will be around
[13:48] <directhex> aquarius, apparently they forgot to enable video call support in 1.2 for the n9, just the n950 @_@
[13:48] <aquarius> directhex, doh. Good thing I don't use video calling
[13:49] <Myrtti> aquarius: you got N9 then?
[13:49] <aquarius> directhex, and annoyingly they've implemented HTML5 audio, but stupidly; it can't be controlled from JS, you just get a button which you can push to open the audio fullscreen like a video. Doh.
[13:49] <aquarius> Myrtti, ya. Blog post on that subject is in preparation ;)
[13:49] <Myrtti> oh dear :-P
[13:49] <directhex> i plan on blogging the lumia 800 too
[13:50] <Myrtti> I deny all responsibility
[14:05] <AlanBell> love it when customers try to get technical
[14:05] <AlanBell> "program form to fit smaller screens (600 x 800 dpi)"
[14:08] <popey> wow, can i get one of those screen?
[14:13] <bigcalm[xoom]> Aww bless
[14:13] <popey> beef wellington was yummy btw
[14:14] <czajkowski> oh that is one yummy dinner
[14:14]  * czajkowski wonders if she can bribe the mothership to cook it when she's home in April 
[14:14] <davmor2> czajkowski: what you doing at popey's
[14:14] <czajkowski> beef wellington is a ymmy dinner
[15:04]  * oimon received his jot stylus for capacitive touchscreen.
[15:04]  * oimon sings happy birthday to himself
[15:05] <MooDoo> your birthday oimon ?  Happy Birthday :D
[15:05] <mattt> wewt, happy bday :D
[15:05] <oimon> why thankyou sir
[15:05] <oimon> s
[15:06] <oimon> i haven't told the chaps in the office or they will try to make me drink beer
[15:06] <oimon> i also discovered that applying a screen protector to a large surface such as a tablet is incredibly dificult
[15:08] <davmor2> oimon: hippo birdies
[15:08] <oimon> almost as old as popey :-S
[15:10] <oimon> i get tired walking down stairs now, not just going up then
[15:11]  * MooDoo is old in april...blimey that's close
[15:12] <davmor2> oimon: no that's no old thats just idle :P
[15:12] <diplo> Older than me, that's fine :)
[15:12] <MooDoo> diplo: no one is older than you :p
[15:12] <diplo> pfft
[15:13] <MooDoo> diplo: saying that don't even know how old you are lol
[15:13] <diplo> A mere young one, well that's what I keep telling myself
[15:13] <diplo> A mere 35
[15:13]  * oimon is older
[15:14] <diplo> Well I was guessing that as I'm sure popey is older than me
[15:14] <diplo> :)
[15:14] <oimon> my benchmark when testing which generation someone is from , do you remember what you were doing during liveaid 1984?
[15:14] <popey> Yes
[15:14] <popey> I was watching it on telly ☺
[15:14] <diplo> Same here i think
[15:14] <oimon> i was playing on my bike on a lovely summer day in the garden, and the concorde flew over the house
[15:14] <popey> looking for my brother and sister in the crowd
[15:15] <oimon> we had the telly on in the house and were listening throug the french doors
[15:15] <popey> lol
[15:15] <popey> you aged yourself there calling them "french" doors ☺
[15:15] <oimon> only time i ever saw concorde
[15:15] <popey> i used to watch it take off most weeks. I worked in a building overlooking the runway
[15:16] <oimon> took a strange route that day
[15:16] <davmor2> oimon: well according to popeys wikipedia page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elvis January 8, 1935  so popey is looking good for his age :D
[15:16] <popey> we taught SAP courses, and the delegates would always ask to be on breat when it took off
[15:17] <popey> http://g.co/maps/hwtmf  <- that window ☺
[15:17] <popey> *break
[15:17] <davmor2> oimon: I remember
[15:18] <davmor2> oimon: the real way to test is,  which doctor who did you grow up with
[15:18] <oimon> yeah, tom baker + peter davison
[15:18] <oimon> i remember when adric died, i was sad
[15:19] <oimon> although my wife is far younger but her dad had them on video, so providing a skew
[15:19] <DJones> Does Doctor Moreau count?
[15:21] <davmor2> oimon: Tom Baker → Matt Smith,  I still think David Tennant was the best though
[15:21] <MooDoo> +1 davmor2
[15:21] <oimon> i saw empire strikes back at the cinema , and RotJ
[15:21] <MooDoo> the first film i ever saw at the cinema was the last starfighter
[15:21] <davmor2> oimon: I saw all 3
[15:21] <oimon> :D
[15:22] <davmor2> oimon: I just don't remeber the 1
[15:22] <MooDoo> wow last starfighter - 1984
[15:22] <davmor2> MooDoo: indeed
[15:22] <MooDoo> i was 12 lol
[15:22] <davmor2> MooDoo: along with war games
[15:23] <MooDoo> davmor2: yeah :) loved em
[15:23] <oimon> first single i bought was ghostbusters
[15:23] <MooDoo> oimon: SNAP!
[15:24] <davmor2> oimon: first vinyl I got was the police reggatta de blanc
[15:24]  * DJones still has the Ghostbusters album sat in a cupboard somewhere
[15:25] <oimon> lost a load of rare singles during my parents house move
[15:25] <MooDoo> my sons first cinema trip was to watch cars 2, and that was 2 weeks ago :D
[15:26] <oimon> my boy thinks the imperial march is called the doggy song. he's gonna get a shock one day
[15:27] <davmor2> oimon: first single was Hit Me With Your Rhythm Stick
[15:27] <oimon> ian dury
[15:27] <davmor2> oimon: yeap,  then some abba, then some queen, then some dire straights and so on
[15:29] <diplo> Oh god what have we started, come back to the future!
[15:29] <diplo> :P
[15:29]  * davmor2 remembers the start and the first video of MTV
[15:29] <diplo> I'm bad enough for listening to 80's most of the time, don't want to drag you all back
[15:29] <diplo> davmor2, me 2
[15:29] <diplo> Start of MTV, not the video
[15:30] <davmor2> diplo: Video Killed the Radio Star the buggles
[15:30] <diplo> Not one of these with idetic(sp?) memorys ?
[15:31] <DJones> What is the recommended way of installing google earth on 11.10, there's a package to build a debian package but that doesn't sound right, medibuntu or a precompiled deb from google.com
[15:32] <bigcalm[xoom]> Wine ;)
[15:32] <DJones> I try not to drink & compute :)
[15:33] <bigcalm[xoom]> :)
[15:34] <davmor2> diplo: I remember singles being 60-80p  before about 83-84 then they basically added a £1 to the font of it
[15:35] <diplo> I think I only bought half a dozen singles ever, always have bought albums
[15:36] <DJones> davmor2: I misread that and thought you were talking about single spirits being 60-80[ in 83/84 in pubs :)
[15:36] <DJones> 60-80p
[15:36] <davmor2> diplo: I didn't get lots of pocket money so it was singles till I was old enough for a paper round
[15:36] <diplo> Funnily enough old man got all my 12" LP's out this weekend, got to get myself a usb record player at some point
[15:37] <diplo> Got a lot of them on digital now, but some I haven't found
[15:38] <diplo> Lot's of picture discs signed
[15:38] <bigcalm[xoom]> Aldi has one for 30 quid atm
[15:38] <diplo> ooh
[15:38]  * diplo checks website
[15:38] <diplo> ta
[15:40] <davmor2> I also remember the video of the making of Thriller that got released in order that they had enough money to finish the thriller video
[15:40] <diplo> Can't find on website
[15:40] <AlanBell> DJones: google earth has .deb files, the ones from earth.google.com work fine
[15:42] <DJones> AlanBell: Thanks, that was what I was going to suggest, but my wife has sorted it on her own
[15:43] <AlanBell> my son was pestering me to install google earth, so I did, got it all set up and installed and ran it and he said it was the wrong thing and he wanted to put the little yellow man on the road to see our house
[15:43] <AlanBell> what he wanted was maps with streetview, google earth does now zoom in to streetview which is quite cool
[15:44] <diplo> :D
[15:44] <diplo> Mine aren't there yet, just games at the mo
[15:51] <directhex> we live in a world without mindmaze :(
[16:03] <davmor2> I always used to get confused by the buzz of grangehill when you'd been at school all day why did you want to see a show about what had just happen earlier :D
[16:04] <DJones> davmor2: Didn't you want to find out what Tucker had done and what he was going to get in trouble for
[16:05] <davmor2> DJones: I watched it I just never got the hype it seemed to cause
[16:05] <czajkowski> aww ant n dec!
[16:05] <bigcalm[xoom]> Growing up in the country, I could never relate to that show
[16:06] <gord> lets get ready ready...
[16:06] <bigcalm[xoom]> czajkowski: are you thinking of biker grove?
[16:06] <davmor2> why don't you, biker grooooooooooooovvve
[16:07] <davmor2> thunder cats
[16:07] <davmor2> battle of the planets
[16:07] <DJones> He Man
[16:07] <davmor2> she-ra
[16:07] <diplo> Byker Grove* ( Spell it like the northerners )
[16:07]  * daubers gets the bongos
[16:07] <daubers> STAND BY FOR ACTION
[16:07] <czajkowski> aww remember thundercats!
[16:07] <bigcalm[xoom]> Semi good news, I can claim back for the time without internet. Once I get the connection again that is
[16:08] <daubers> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E06cNv55jTs
[16:08] <MooDoo> it's friday it's five to five....it's
[16:08] <DJones> ...Time to go to the pub :)
[16:08] <davmor2> bigcalm[xoom]: that's how I ended up not having to pay them for about 6 months
[16:08] <bigcalm[xoom]> It's Saturday, no school today, so what ya gonna do?
[16:08] <diplo> czajkowski, Thundercats has been revived.. my kids love it
[16:08] <davmor2> MooDoo:  CrackerJack
[16:09] <diplo> New animation series
[16:09] <czajkowski> diplo: ohh
[16:09] <bigcalm[xoom]> davmor2: still not a good way to live
[16:09] <czajkowski> bigcalm[xoom]: hasnt stopped you being on irc during the whole time either
[16:10] <davmor2> czajkowski: thanks to 3g tech
[16:10] <bigcalm[xoom]> czajkowski: priorities ;)
[16:11] <davmor2> star fleet on a saturday morning
[16:12] <davmor2> the other way to guess someones age is to ask what Chris Tarrent did before Who want to be a millionaire
[16:13] <shauno> I'd just confuse you then, because I never watched telly as a kid
[16:13] <DJones> Stingray, Thunderbirds, Space 1999, Fireball XL5 (mostly repeats.... Honest)
[16:15] <DJones> Did anybody see that there were plans to "reimagine" Space 1999 with a new TV series
[16:16] <davmor2> Joe 90, captain scarlet,
[16:16] <bigcalm[xoom]> davmor2: tarrent on tv
[16:16] <davmor2> bigcalm[xoom]: yeah if the first one that springs to mind is Tis-Waz
[16:17] <davmor2> bigcalm[xoom]: same works for noel edmonds
[16:17] <bigcalm[xoom]> davmor2: you are old :)
[16:18] <shauno> so you're old if you actually owned the mr blobby xmas single? oh dear.
[16:18] <davmor2> bigcalm[xoom]: multi-coloured swap shop
[16:18] <gord> oh... i didn't need to be reminded that mr blobby existed at one point...
[16:19] <DJones> The other way of working out how old somebody is, is who were your Blue Peter presenters - Peter Purvess, John Noakes, Valerie Singleton & Shep the dog :)
[16:20] <MooDoo> lol
[16:20] <AlanBell> Goldie and Simon Groom and some others
[16:20] <MooDoo> janet ellis
[16:21] <AlanBell> Sarah Greene and Peter Duncan
[16:21] <DJones> Did anybody ever build Tracey Island out of toilet roll tubes, crumpled paper and a pair of Val's old knickers?
[16:21] <MooDoo> and then peter duncan was in flash gordon :D
[16:22] <bigcalm[xoom]> AlanBell: same as me, odd
[16:23] <davmor2> MooDoo: indeed as the initiate stung by the stump viper
[16:23] <MooDoo> yup
[16:26] <davmor2> MooDoo: and Timothy Daulton the original killer of Bond
[16:28] <davmor2> I still remember the blue peter episode where they announced that Shep had died, Noakes was not a happy bunny
[16:30] <davmor2> who remembers the Tripods, and Wuzzle Gummage
[16:31] <diplo> o/
[16:31] <bigcalm[xoom]|> Aye
[16:34] <daubers> Captain Scarlet is the _worst_ superhero ever
[16:34] <daubers> He couldn't solve a problem without dieing!
[16:34] <daubers> "I'll save those people by throwing myself off a bridge!"
[16:34] <daubers> Idiot
[16:35] <bigcalm[xoom]|> But he can't die
[16:35] <daubers> Yes he did! He just came back to life!
[16:35] <daubers> I'm pretty certain if you threw him into the sun he wouldn't come back
[16:36] <daubers> The guys in Joe 90 had the right idea, after all, children are expendable right?
[16:36] <daubers> Once they've gone you can just make some more
[16:36] <bigcalm[xoom]|> I'd feel sorry for the puppetier
[16:41] <DJones> Tripods +1
[16:55] <oimon> guys...i have no resize corner when using unity - any suggestios for packages i may have accidentally removed
[16:55] <oimon> actually, may only be terminal application
[16:55] <oimon> sorry..forget that..just a glitch ..restart terminal it works
[16:55] <diplo> :P
[16:55] <diplo> gn all, going to try and miss traffic
[17:04] <davmor2> oimon: you sure it was there it's been changed to 6 pale dots now
[17:06] <oimon> is this what OSD notifications should look like? http://i.imgur.com/lTq1H.png
[17:07] <oimon> davmor2, i'm on 11.10
[17:07] <popey> thats not unity
[17:08] <oimon> popey, really?
[17:08] <popey> ☺
[17:08] <oimon> i chose "ubuntu"
[17:08] <oimon> maybe i've completely shagged my system
[17:08] <popey> do you have a launcher on the left?
[17:08] <oimon> yes
[17:08] <popey> not sure what you've done to that then
[17:09] <popey> why would you want two docks?
[17:09] <DJones> I didn't think AWN was still around
[17:09] <oimon> docky behaves like i want it to
[17:09] <oimon> time for home
[17:09] <oimon> i'll look at this again tomorrow then
[17:09] <DJones> Is that docky, not AWN?
[17:09] <oimon> yes
[17:10] <popey> you have a dot in the top right of your window
[17:10] <popey> there's some messed up desktop there
[17:10] <popey> so yes, "Not unity"
[17:17] <gord> that is unity
[17:17] <gord> but its weirdly messed up
[17:21] <popey> telnet miku.acm.uiuc.edu
[17:21] <popey> sweet
[17:21] <popey> gord will like that
[17:22] <gord> popey, i guess we have to provide our own soundtrack? ;)
[17:22] <popey> ☺
[17:24] <bigcalm[xoom]> Now I need a tlnet client for my Xoom
[17:24] <bigcalm[xoom]> Telnet
[17:25] <gord> apt-get update takes reeeeeeeeally long if you have 40kb/s
[17:26] <davmor2> gord: apt-get update takes an age for me anyway
[17:28] <gord> took longer to update than it did to upgrade even
[17:31] <davmor2> gord: yeap that happens fairly often but don't forget I have a million and one ppas for it to work through
[17:34] <gord> hrm, wonder what i have to bribe to get ubuntu to not use the minimum display brightness on startup
[17:35] <opt1mus> gord: Just write your own script.
[17:54] <bigcalm[xoom]|> Is it home time yet?
[17:54] <brobostigon> yes.
[17:54] <bigcalm[xoom]> Is it home time yet?
[17:55] <brobostigon> yes.
[17:55] <bigcalm[xoom]> \o/
[17:56] <brobostigon> :)
[17:57] <bigcalm[xoom]> I'm building APIs for two seperate projects, my time sheet looks a little confusing
[18:08] <s-fox> Goodbye.
[19:04] <jacobw> evening
[19:04] <opt1mus> Hello
[19:09] <jacobw> hey dutchie
[19:09] <jacobw> how are you opt1mus
[19:11] <jacobw> jhey penguin_
[19:34] <dutchie> hi jacobw
[19:34] <dutchie> in a very greety mood tonight
[19:36] <jacobw> how so?
[19:37]  * AlanBell likes to see libreoffice updates
[19:40] <gord> i hate them, adds another 200mb onto an update :P
[19:40] <jacobw> my curent downstream is ~50kB/s
[19:40] <jacobw> i don't libreoffice updates :(
[19:41] <jacobw> +need
[19:41] <AlanBell> I am waiting for the fix that means I can run it with libreoffice-gtk, someone broke it for big monitors
[19:43] <MartijnVdS> I've removed LO
[19:43] <MartijnVdS> I use Google Documents anyway
[19:43] <MartijnVdS> and at work we have >100mbit
[19:43] <MartijnVdS> (so libreoffice downloads aren't an issue)
[19:44] <gord> i sometimes remove it, just because i might as well just re-install it when i need it rather than wasting my time with the upgrades
[19:45]  * MartijnVdS loves the OpenWRT build system
[19:45] <MartijnVdS> So self-contained!
[19:45] <AppleJ> Or you guys could just deselect it on every upgrade :P
[19:45] <MartijnVdS> So "just works"!
[19:46] <directhex> atom zombie smasher!
[19:46] <MartijnVdS> directhex: ?!
[19:46] <directhex> http://blendogames.com/atomzombiesmasher/
[19:46] <MartijnVdS> directhex: some kind of tower defense?
[19:47] <directhex> MartijnVdS, it's a bit too far past the boundaries of tower defense, IMHO, so let's just go with "strategy"
[19:48] <MartijnVdS> So.. everyone has set their alarms for tomorrow morning?
[19:48] <MartijnVdS> ( http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/716 )
[19:49] <SuperEngineer> [that's when the Rasp Pi actually proposes to us all ;)
[19:49] <MartijnVdS> SuperEngineer: WANTWANTWANT
[19:50] <SuperEngineer> MartijnVdS:   me too :)
[19:50]  * SuperEngineer gets ready to say "i do" to a Pi
[19:52] <SuperEngineer> what a wonderful week - today a U-Uk podcast... &tomorrow a Raspberry?
[19:52] <gord> 6am? i'd rather not get one!
[19:53] <popey> \o/ UUPC in 30 mins ☺
[19:53] <MartijnVdS> popey: *\o/*
[19:54] <MartijnVdS> popey: (and if you read that one on the show, "asterisk, backslash, o, slash, asterisk")
[19:55]  * SuperEngineer "asterisk, backslash, o, slash, asterisk"'s the U-UK podcast
[19:56] <SuperEngineer> ;)
[19:56] <AlanBell> or "MartijnVdS  being a cheerleader with pompoms and a leotard on"
[19:56] <MartijnVdS> ಠ_ಠ
[19:56] <AlanBell> I may have made up the leotard bit, not quite sure where that came from
[19:56] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: well my running clothes ARE skin-tight
[19:57] <SuperEngineer> are the leotards compulsory this season - or just recommended?
[19:57] <MartijnVdS> SuperEngineer: yes.
[19:57] <SuperEngineer> MartijnVdS:  ;)
[20:01] <AlanBell> http://podcast.ubuntu-uk.org/live/
[20:06] <czajkowski> does it work for anyone in chrome ?
[20:13] <AlanBell> not working for me in chromium, but works fine in firefox
[20:14] <AlanBell> totem http://podcast.ubuntu-uk.org:8000/uupc.mp3 also works
[20:29] <mempoke> bleep
[20:29] <MartijnVdS> ye olde timey musicke
[20:30] <mempoke> well this might be fun
[20:30] <mempoke> working with computer for quite a while but never used irc
[20:30] <mempoke> anyone there?
[20:32] <MartijnVdS> \o
[20:35] <TheOpenSourcerer> evening all
[20:35] <TheOpenSourcerer> Mux D appears to have dropped off the Freeview transmitter at Midhurst...
[20:36] <brobostigon> good evening TheOpenSourcerer
[20:36] <TheOpenSourcerer> hey brobostigon how's it going?
[20:36] <brobostigon> TheOpenSourcerer: generally ok, other than some of my bones in my left heel being inflamed, and you?
[20:37] <TheOpenSourcerer> Good thanks.
[20:37] <brobostigon> :)
[20:37] <TheOpenSourcerer> pingly pingly peep christel
[21:37] <Azelphur> Did anything ever come out to replace ksplice since it's dead now?
[21:57] <AlanBell> ksplice isn't dead, it got oracled
[21:58] <shauno> a fate worse than death :/
[22:02] <AlanBell> TV related hack day thing http://rewiredstate.org/events/boat-hack-at-mipcube-2012
[22:03] <Azelphur> AlanBell: it is dead, you can't sign up any more
[22:03] <AlanBell> I wonder if popey is going to this http://www.mipworld.com/en/mipcube/
[22:04] <AlanBell> Azelphur: even if you have RHEL?
[22:04] <Azelphur> AlanBell: I dunno, I don't have RHEL obviously
[22:04] <AlanBell> I am not surprised at them dropping the free Ubuntu/Fedora updates
[22:05] <Azelphur> hense the desire for alternatives
[22:06] <AlanBell> http://www.ksplice.com/uptrack/download-ubuntu don't you just download the .deb and run it?
[22:06] <Azelphur> no, that's desktop only, if you want server kernels you have to subscribe, which is now blocked
[22:07] <Azelphur> only way to get ksplice is to install a desktop environment and switch to desktop kernel on a server :/
[22:07] <AlanBell> oh right, well do that then :)
[22:07] <Azelphur> that's not really an option on a server :/
[22:07] <AlanBell> desktop kernel is *fine* for most server workloads
[22:08] <Azelphur> I don't want a full desktop environment and X on my server
[22:08] <AlanBell> you don't need it, just install the kernel, it shouldn't bring in any X stuff
[22:08] <Azelphur> no, you have to run the desktop updater which requires X
[22:09] <Azelphur> you have to pay for the command line updater
[22:09] <AlanBell> ssh -X
[22:09] <Azelphur> only, you can't pay because they shut it down
[22:09] <Azelphur> I'm pretty sure that installing the desktop updater will pull in all the reqs too
[22:10] <AlanBell> probably some of them, but they won't be running
[22:10] <Azelphur> *shrug* might work, a lot of effort for a project that is rapidly dieing though, still interested in alternatives
[22:10] <directhex> aquarius, "touch /etc/call-ui/callUIVideoButton" and reboot adds video call support
[22:11] <AlanBell> Azelphur: fair enough
[22:12] <AlanBell> I thought that after a few years of ksplice coming out that someone would put rebootless updates into the upstream kernel
[22:13] <Azelphur> yea, it's a bit silly after all this time that the server distros don't have rebootless updating built in
[22:17] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Laura Czajkowski] Ubuntu Global Jam  Limerick - http://www.lczajkowski.com/2012/02/28/ubuntu-global-jam-limerick/
[22:50] <aquarius> directhex, interesting. Not sure what I'd use video calling for, though; who can it call?
[22:51] <brobostigon> good night everyone, sleep well.
[22:56] <directhex> aquarius, not other n9's, since it doesn't advertise video call capability :p
[22:56] <aquarius> directhex, the only person I know with an n9... doesn't have one any more ;)
[22:57] <DaveMorris> I use a squeezebox slave on my machine, which I've created a small upstart script for. I wish to run it as a user ('squeezebox') but it won't play audio since it isn't the current user logged in.  Any ideas on where to look to change it?
[23:05] <DaveMorris> looks like I can't (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Audio/TheAudioGroup) and need to run it as my user
[23:50] <ujjain> I am supposed to complete 3 sentences with the same word... it seems impossible: "like all great oopera singers,pavarotti had an imposing ...", "She showed great ... of mind and led the children calmly downstairs to safety", "There was a huge police ... at the football match".
[23:50] <shauno> presence.  enjoy your homework :)
[23:51] <ujjain> ah thanks!