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Version 2.1~a1-3 (testing), package size 692 kB, installed size 2088 kB [01:14] [Jono Bacon] Tutorial Video: Reporting a Bug in Ubuntu - http://www.jonobacon.org/2012/02/28/tutorial-video-reporting-a-bug-in-ubuntu/ === xubis is now known as asf === asf is now known as xubis === xubis is now known as asf === asf is now known as xubis [03:14] [Jono Bacon] launchpadlib et al Guidance - http://www.jonobacon.org/2012/02/28/launchpadlib-et-al-guidance/ [04:14] [Jono Bacon] Call For Manual Test Writers - http://www.jonobacon.org/2012/02/28/call-for-manual-test-writers/ === chalced is now known as chalcedony [06:07] hey hey [07:38] Morning all [07:39] art'nune [07:39] morning [07:40] Interesting device: http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/news/2012/02/linux-computer-the-size-of-a-thumb-drive-now-available-for-preorder.ars Not cheap though... [07:42] riding on the raspberry pi coat-tails of mindshare [07:50] WP7 has a rather gaping flaw: http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2012/02/skype-beta-for-windows-phone-arrives-but-it-shows-the-limits-of-the-platform.ars [07:54] daubers: next time you see your guy from black magic, can you tell them their support sucks giant donkeys balls [07:56] and good morning to you to popey [07:58] hey everyone [07:58] good morning ! : [08:06] hello all [08:10] hey moodoo , how are you today [08:11] knightwise: ah not bad thanks [08:12] you? [08:20] Doin fine , [08:20] just pimped out my old EEEPc 701 with Crunchbang , remote SSH and teamviewer [08:20] gonna shove it under a closet at my parents place and use it as a remote little server [08:21] popey: ? [08:21] also, morning [08:21] morning [08:22] Not got your card back yet? or back in the same state? [08:22] no, i moved the card to another pc to test it [08:22] and can't compile the silly binary driver for it [08:22] so can't use it at all [08:22] Ah. *nix binary driver? [08:22] yes [08:22] What kernel? [08:23] 3.2.0 [08:24] 12.04? [08:24] ya [08:24] Wonder if a kernel change has broked it... they test upto 11.04 [08:24] http://paste.ubuntu.com/860235 [08:26] * daubers grabs and has a mooch [08:28] Also, looking at a phone for work... don't want another galaxy s2 (too confusing) any opinions on the HTC sensation? [08:31] popey: You running 64bit or 32bit? [08:32] 64 [08:35] * daubers install dkms [08:38] popey: Did you pop them a support thing? [08:39] i emailed them [08:39] ok [08:39] on the 23rd [08:39] No reply at all? [08:40] nope [08:40] Hmm.... [08:40] I'll ring them and harass them when their office opens [08:40] hence my donkey balls comment [08:40] but you shouldn't have to [08:40] Heh, general comment on _everywhere_ is that if you want something done, use the telephone [08:41] As when you email, it'll depend who's desk the email ends up [08:41] today is a bacon sandwich day, which is usually only reserved for weekend treats, but due to emails at this hour of the morning, I need cheering up [08:41] daubers: gimmie their phone number and I will call them [08:42] czajkowski: http://youtu.be/BhUZmvAEIN4 <- that'll cheer you up [08:42] popey: +44 1565 830049 [08:42] ta [08:42] Office opens at 9 [08:44] hugs and prods to czajkowski as i've not done in awhile and davmor2 isn't here [08:46] When I look at bike insurance costs, I often wonder why I own a car [08:47] daubers: costs me about 300 ish a year fully comp [08:47] MooDoo: Little commuter is £87 TFT [08:47] MooDoo: Car is ~£700 [08:47] daubers: my bike is a 600cc [08:47] my car is ~300 [08:47] * daubers gets grumpy about old people who managed to get car insurance when it was sensibly priced [08:48] daubers: my insurance goes down this year to as i'm 40 ;) lol [08:48] * daubers shakes fist in a grumpy manner [08:49] Old people have all the benefits. They had sensibly priced insurance, sensibly priced houses and managed to take advantage of things like the stock market before it broke [08:49] * popey pokes aquarius with bug 942312 [08:49] Launchpad bug 942312 in ubuntuone-client (Ubuntu) "Cannot resolve proxy hostname " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/942312 [08:49] popey, that's a dobey thing, or a mandel thing, that [08:50] ok [08:53] Morning all [08:55] I know I connected to IRC for something ... but can't remember what... [08:57] * christel cheers czajkowski up [08:57] * MooDoo hugs christel just coz he can :D [08:58] wooo [08:58] * christel hugs MooDoo [08:58] yay o/ [08:59] christel: <3 [09:00] christel: wanna see bday pics of cuteness [09:03] czajkowski: do we really wanna see pics of you? ;) lol [09:04] haha [09:04] he loved rugby tots [09:04] eh no [09:04] christel: awww [09:07] i asked my son if he liked rugby the other day while watching england, he said no it's boring, i feel so ashamed :S [09:07] lol [09:08] this is a thing that bastubis (Paula) is putting together -> http://www.flossie.org/?page_id=175 [09:08] MooDoo: haha [09:09] MooDoo: i felt slightly mean taking him to rugby tots, they do 2-3.5 years, the other kids were like 3-3.5, he started the day before his second birthday [09:09] so he was TINY compared to the rest of them [09:09] he was a tad unsure to start with but then he got really into it [09:10] christel: well he's only 3 lol [09:10] l [09:11] his paternal grandfather used to play for pontyprydd(sp?) and rugby is huge on that side of the family [09:12] so i had no choice but to start him early as they've decided he's going to become an international (grandad has it all sussed out, he says that if he's really good he can play for wales, if he's not quite as good he can play for england and if he's really rubbish he can play for norway) [09:12] (it makes me giggle) [09:18] Good morning 1 and all [09:19] christel: wales did very good at the weekend against england :) [09:19] that was a cracking game - best I have seen in ages. [09:20] England played really well for a new team but Wales deserved the win. [09:20] TheOpenSourcerer: see now why can't you be as gracious when ireland win :) [09:20] yeah, thank god -- we had the in-laws here and i feared they'd get divorced (i always do when england - wales play) [09:20] Isn't it obvious czajkowski? [09:21] how was your game in reading btw? [09:21] christel: good fun [09:21] winning till the last 2 mins literally [09:21] We are taking the kids to this: http://www.saracensatwembley.com/ [09:22] lotta messy ball playing but was nice [09:22] TheOpenSourcerer: sweet [09:22] shall be going back to ireland that day [09:22] £40 for the family :-D [09:22] thats very good [09:22] I do liek the fact that rugby gamves over here are pretty reasonable to go to tbh [09:22] Yeah - £15 adults, £5 kids. Via the school. [09:23] bar the flipping international ones :/ [09:25] nice [09:25] bigcalm[xoom], Still broke then ? 12.47 didn't come to fruition ? [09:26] * czajkowski wants tickets for ireland v engalnd on paddys day :( [09:28] bigcalm[xoom]: time to change providers? [09:32] yeeehaw [09:33] czajkowski: oooh, that'll be a good game [09:33] diplo: this is the case. The service status page still says 12.47am today. They aren't very good at communicating to customers [09:34] daubers: na, it's just a bumb in the road I hope. Will wait it out but will still be moaning about it ;) [09:34] heh I know bigcalm[xoom] [09:35] Have you tried via twitter/mailing lists [09:35] Used to be very active on ML's [09:35] Level 2's [09:36] bigcalm[xoom]: Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha [09:36] bigcalm[xoom]: VM have always been terrible (YMMV) [09:37] MMV [09:37] It also seems to vary hugely on which cable provider used to be in your area before VM bought them [09:37] I've had a good service from them in general [09:38] Morning pope [09:38] That's a bloody good deal: www.somobile.co.uk/news/2012/02/28/htc-one-x-available-free-on-31-t-mobile-tariff/ [09:38] Y [09:38] popey [09:38] we've just handed in notice to VM and are leaving them [09:38] Think now I'm going to wait for the S III though. [09:38] upping rates for no reason [09:39] heh TheOpenSourcerer I'm thinking the same thing [09:39] Telewest here [09:40] TW for me as well, overall they were always good [09:40] I'm half tempted to get a windows phone for work [09:41] just to see if they're any good [09:41] daubers: Did you see this? http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2012/02/skype-beta-for-windows-phone-arrives-but-it-shows-the-limits-of-the-platform.ars [09:42] TheOpenSourcerer: Yeah... they're still a bit behind [09:42] No multi-tasking for voip - so Skype is pretty broken. [09:42] Bizarre. [09:44] It's annoying that vodafone don't seem to have any phones with NFC in other than the Nexus [09:46] It's still a new [09:46] Tech [09:47] Blah tablet keyboard. I should use the voice to text [09:47] yikes, i just subscribed to VM :-/ [09:48] i thought the service so far has been good tho, the guy who installed the service gave me someone's mobile # to ring if we had any issues/questions [09:48] thought that was kind of out htere [09:49] mattt: if it's an initial install quite often the engineer will give you one of his install team's mobile numbers in case there are problems with the install [09:50] Doubt it works mattt :) [09:50] diplo: kinda had that feeling also :) [09:50] gordonjcp: suppose so, guess i haven't had cable set up enough :) [09:50] heh like the women who give out fake numbers [09:51] TheOpenSourcerer, Going to use your new notes tonight for OpenERP on my home PC [09:51] Will let you know how well they work :) [09:51] Cool [09:51] Have had almost 30 comments already. [09:51] Seems to work fine for most. [09:52] Good, mine was working fine but want a clean install now I sort of understand it [09:53] Going to make an image for these guys to play with at home [10:00] good morning everyone, [10:03] hi all [10:04] hi hoover [10:07] Good morning all! :D [10:09] morning [10:10] where are $term entries stored? [10:11] ie, the entries i get, when i run set in terminal. [10:11] stored whilst the terminal is running, or read from when it starts, brobostigon? [10:12] dwatkins: good question, i am getting an error with byobu, that asks me to edit $term, when i try and start it from connectbot. [10:13] that will be set by your terminal [10:13] connectbot in this case [10:13] I thought it was in /etc/termcap or something like that, but I may be misunderstanding [10:13] Is it not an uppercase $TERM? [10:13] I had to set this up manually for my serial-connected WYSE 35 terminal a few years back, I just used 'termcap' iirc [10:13] popey: ok, so it will be a setting in connectbot somewhere [10:14] ?? [10:14] Perhaps 'terminfo' instead, but you shouldn't have to do that. What's the error, brobostigon? [10:15] I tend to cheat and set TERM=linux screen -dr [10:15] (because I connect to screen from inside screen and it doesn't understand the TERM setting it provides to itself, ironically) [10:16] ERROR: Sessions should be nested with care. Remove 'screen' from $TERM to force. [10:16] that is the error. [10:16] \join #latex [10:16] sounds similar to what I get. [10:16] whoops [10:17] surely you're already in screen, trying to start screen [10:17] that seems not what you want [10:18] popey: I run screen on my Mac, ssh to my ubuntu machine, and reconnect there. [10:18] I also ssh to a BSD box and reconnect to a screen session there. [10:19] is AlanBell alive? or have the chickens come home to roost [10:19] hmmm, it doesn't seem to need my "TERM=linux" today, I wonder what changed. [10:19] dwatkins: i mean, brobostigon is inside screen and he's trying to re-attach to screen [10:19] which seems to not be what he wants [10:20] byobu with screen, yes. [10:20] ah yes, that does seem a little recursive ;) [10:21] I've had nested screen sessions on the same machine before, though. [10:24] bah poxy credit checks am gonna keep failing them for 2 more years so cant buy a phone on contract [10:26] was someone at your address naughty, czajkowski? :-/ [10:26] czajkowski: pain in the ass that is isn't it :( [10:29] Note to self: tablet Internet connection will drop if you remove the phone from house [10:31] bigcalm[xoom]: Stop working in the garden then [10:31] Hello. [10:31] dwatkins: I'm not here three years [10:32] doesnt matter about my address [10:32] DJones: I went to bring the wheely bin back to the house. Never know when you'll need your phone [10:32] Hah [10:36] Mmmmm, that was a good pot noodle [10:37] i've never seen the words "good" and "Pot noodle" in the same sentence before... you must be sick, poor guy [10:37] :p [10:38] * diplo agress with gord [10:40] czajkowski: when we moved to UK, my gf was able to get a contract w/ vodafone immediately, i wasn't [10:40] neither of us had lved in UK before :-/ [10:40] I add soya and tabasco sauce [10:40] ok, weird, byobu -r -d, worked in connectbot. [10:41] bigcalm[xoom], and that makes it better... it's still a pot noodle :D [10:42] bigcalm[xoom], buy a wok, boil up some noodles or rice, throw some veggies and meat in the wok, cook it up with some nice sauce, throw the noodles in, instant tasty food, takes about as long as a pot noodle too :P [10:42] \o/ confused the estate agents [10:43] gord: far too much hassle [10:47] czajkowski: yes, quite alive [10:51] guys - anyone know of good alternatives to TinyMCE / CKEditor? [10:52] pref Open Source (bien sur) [10:52] big part would be the images side of things? [10:54] man, quiet in here today? [10:54] KCFinder andylockran [10:54] oops [10:54] :p [10:54] andyloughran, [10:55] is that not open source ? [10:55] It is [10:55] CKFinder _is_ open source? [10:55] It's licensed, KCFinder is a rewrite of CKFinder because he didn't like the license [10:55] sunhater.com or something i think [10:56] merci [10:56] This is from memory, not looked in a while :) [10:56] We use kcfinder in our app, funnily enough working on it right this second [10:56] can anyone convince me that 12.04 is worth trying to solve my performance problems for gnome shell / nvidia / 11.10 ? [10:57] about to go back to 10.04 [10:57] morning all, czajkowski prod! [10:57] davmor2: ello ello [10:58] https://twitter.com/#!/czajkowski/status/174447686420926464/photo/1 [11:01] oimon: I tend to thing forwards is a better direction than backwards [11:03] AlanBell, define "forwards" :) [11:03] linux is broken for me since 2011 [11:03] * popey notes a potential large performance boost in compiz in the pipeline [11:03] so go to the latest release, and fix it [11:04] or beyond the latest release as the case may be [11:05] https://code.launchpad.net/~vanvugt/compiz-core/fix-940139/+merge/94728 [11:05] popey: on specific chipsets or in general? [11:05] "DOUBLED the CPU performance of compiz. " [11:05] looks like unity has the same issues http://askubuntu.com/questions/78237/unity-3d-with-nvidia-driver-becomes-very-slow-and-laggy [11:05] woah [11:05] indeed [11:06] this build of compiz should have it https://launchpad.net/~sil2100/+archive/ppa [11:06] andylockran: Have you seen http://aloha-editor.org/ before? [11:07] oimon: bug filed? [11:07] * popey filed bug 942545 if anyone has five mins to test from a live stick I'd appreciate it [11:07] Launchpad bug 942545 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Ubiquity leaves a scrollbar on screen if you unmounted a partition" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/942545 [11:07] popey, yes i clicked "me too" but can't find it atm [11:10] TheOpenSourcerer, I like the look of that, and you poked the wrong andyloughran [11:10] gah [11:10] :D [11:10] I did to before [11:10] andyloughran: Have you seen http://aloha-editor.org/ before? [11:11] is the global menu "turn off" option coming to 12.04? [11:11] TheOpenSourcerer: I've not, thamnks [11:12] oimon: not sure yet [11:13] aww. [11:13] still hoping that it will move the buttons onto the app window for maximised apps [11:14] que? [11:15] the close/min/max buttons? [11:15] where would they go in the window? [11:16] oimon: put your buttons back on the left! [11:19] i've tried...i just hate the left buttons/global menu layout so much [11:19] :( [11:20] MooDoo: Morning dude [11:20] davmor2: ello laddo... [11:29] You know sometimes you have one of those days? Should they last 2 weeks? [11:31] yo [11:34] daubers: in your case you possibly deserved it who did you annoy ;) [11:34] chaps [11:34] popey: morning dude [11:34] this is an odd question. [11:34] is it possible to stop the clock on my laptop? [11:34] or slow it down dramatically [11:34] so it always says "12.04" for like an hour [11:34] umm... why? [11:34] so i can record video and know it will always say that [11:35] you could just put "date" into a while loop? [11:35] Might break stuff that relies on the clock [11:36] popey: what happens to the clock if you open up clock setting and unlock it does it carry on as normal or does it stop where it is like a watch does? [11:36] it carries on [11:37] popey: Be better to patch the clock widget thing :) [11:37] hah [11:38] argh [11:38] ubuntu one decided to lose my files [11:39] gord: blame aq [11:39] gord: you're not having a good week are you [11:40] popey: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/860402/ [11:40] popey: May break things that rely on the clock :) [11:40] Does u1 not have versioning? [11:41] no [11:41] haha daubers [11:41] ugh yeah it lost my entire .vim directory [11:42] have mine, it's empty already [11:42] Hmm... might have broken my mqtt connections by faffing with the clock... [11:42] haha [11:42] Also apparently it breaks ping :) [11:43] gord: you mean you have no backups, and has it actually wiped them from you system or just lost them online if it is the latter I'm pretty sure you can set it up to resync [11:44] davmor2, i had an old .vim directory inside ~/Ubuntu One/ - copied my new vim directory into it, it decided to sync over the old vim directory that contained almost nothing [11:45] gord: yes that's what it does you need to rename the file if you want more than one [11:45] davmor2, no, it should of synced the new directory into the cloud and replicated on my other machines [11:46] Anybody know what the clock widget is actually called? [11:46] i didn't want more than one, i wanted it to replace the old with the new [11:46] daubers, indicator-datetime - its not a widget [11:48] heh, Ubuntu just told me I have a good password ;) [11:48] gord: Ta [11:52] gord: Can't actually find the indicator in the source... am I looking in the wrong place? Found all the gumpf for the settings panel [11:52] ah, hang on [11:52] found it [11:52] me being dumb again [11:57] i tried attaching to the indicator-datetime using gdb to pause it [11:59] popey: Found a way to do it :) [12:00] popey: Use gconf editor, goto com->canonical->datetime set custom-time-format to 12:04 andd time-format to custom [12:00] and reberta is your transexual aunty [12:00] s/reberta/roberta [12:01] dconf-editor even [12:02] and it doesn't even break the system clock \o/ [12:02] There's probably a way to do this using gsettings too [12:02] i dont have datetime in canonical [12:02] ahh, indicator [12:03] If you put random text in the custom-time-format box that appears in there too :) [12:03] * popey notes it's nearly 12.04 [12:04] It's been 12:04 for the last 4 minutes :p [12:04] mine didnt work [12:05] ahh, didnt set format to custom [12:05] brilliant! [12:05] thank you! [12:05] Don't fprget to change it back, or you'll be late/early for everything [12:06] hah [12:43] I do like the fact that my HDD is now the bottleneck with USB3 [12:46] ssd time! [12:47] i have a new bin! \o/ o// \\o [12:52] popey: perma-lunchtime [12:52] doubly so [12:52] i have a box of wine boxes i can't use :( [12:52] i bought a USB3 to SATA converter. don't buy it, its broken ☹ [12:52] http://www.amazon.co.uk/TeckNet-2-5USB-SATA-Drive-Enclosure/dp/B000WP3GG8/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1330353401&sr=8-1 <- good [12:53] I've got an icybox one [12:53] http://www.amazon.co.uk/Midte-External-Drive-Adapter-Cable/dp/B004LO59MK/ref=sr_1_11?ie=UTF8&qid=1330353299&sr=8-11 <- bad [12:53] link me up please! [12:53] i've got sata ports on the back of my case [12:53] and some molex power sockets [12:53] Think it's this one... http://www.amazon.co.uk/IB-250StU3-BH-Enclosure-inch-12-5mm-Height/dp/B003XG08PA/ref=sr_1_2?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1330433610&sr=1-2 [12:53] hang on, I'll find the box :) [12:54] It's an IB250 series [12:54] It is that one [12:54] part numbers match [12:54] does it have a USB 3 port? [12:54] doesnt look big enough [12:54] It's got one of the long USB3 ports [12:54] did it come with a cable? [12:55] Yup :) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Connector_USB_3_IMGP6033_wp_.jpg <- It's one of those [12:55] golly [12:55] need one kinda pronto ☹ [12:55] Oh dear [12:55] hey bigcalm[xoom] sadtrombone.com on VM [12:55] ooo icybox is eligible for prime [12:55] winner [12:56] does it work in ubuntu daubers ? [12:56] Umm... seems to be on my laptop :) Suppose it should do as long as your USB3 ports work [12:56] It's just a mass storage majibber [12:56] no [12:57] i have discovered this today [12:57] really? [12:57] http://paste.ubuntu.com/860459/ [12:57] Feb 28 12:36:10 ubuntu kernel: [ 438.138656] xhci_hcd 0000:0e:00.0: Timeout while waiting for address device command [12:57] not all usb enclosures are the same [12:57] well, I'm currently copying stuff onto mine at ~ 80MB/s [12:57] using ubuntu [12:57] which kernel? [12:57] 3.2.0-17-generic [12:57] winner [12:58] works with 12.5mm drives too, which is why I got it [13:01] davmor2: you've just noticed? ;) [13:01] bigcalm[xoom]: no I just had time to mention it as I've killed the thing I'm testing and now need to wait for the devs to fix it [13:02] Heh [13:02] * popey wonders how long to cook his beef wellington [13:02] popey: long enough for it to be cooked [13:03] popey has beef wellington, I have beans on toast [13:04] gord has nothing because the delivery man will show up the minute he leaves the house to get some grub [13:10] http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1507816 interesting, for those that use android. [13:12] meh [13:13] i have an iphone with siri and have yet to use it other than test it for amusement ☺ [13:13] agreed, that it is, [13:14] i do use google voice search quite often [13:14] but that is mostly because i hate typing on touch screens [13:14] i tried evi on my s2 [13:15] i asked it what oil i needed to top up a 2005 mini cooper S, it gave me an answer about losing weight [13:16]