| rick_h_ | morning | 11:24 |
|---|---|---|
| snap-l | blargh | 11:41 |
| snap-l | I mean, morning | 11:42 |
| snap-l | Apparently tomorrow is BOGO at Caribou | 13:53 |
| snap-l | (buy one, get one) | 13:53 |
| snap-l | (with coupon) | 13:54 |
| rick_h_ | ooh, they're going to regret that :P | 13:55 |
| snap-l | Heh | 13:57 |
| snap-l | http://magnatune.com/artists/albums/ilic-sparkling/ <- Now listening | 14:06 |
| rick_h_ | the internet is a sad place: http://i.imgur.com/y9Nai.jpg | 14:32 |
| Scott_firebeta | 4chan, not even once | 14:42 |
| snap-l | I've seen some rather bright people do some really dumb things. | 14:46 |
| brousch | snap-l: i need recommendations for music with a lot of drumming suitable for a 4 year old. | 14:46 |
| snap-l | Like one guy at $JOB that downloaded Win XP off of a torrent site, and used it | 14:47 |
| rick_h_ | badass git trick of the day: http://vimbits.com/bits/173 | 14:47 |
| snap-l | brousch: What kind of drumming? | 14:47 |
| snap-l | Jazz? More Tribal? | 14:47 |
| brousch | like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vM8E0-ozlGA or http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPkfLALLXKY | 14:48 |
| brousch | or the imperial march from star wars | 14:48 |
| brousch | i lack the experience and vocabulary to describe it | 14:48 |
| snap-l | March-like | 14:48 |
| brousch | sounds right | 14:49 |
| snap-l | Well, what I was going to suggest was Kodo (Japanese drumming) | 14:49 |
| snap-l | or Blue Man Group: Audio | 14:49 |
| brousch | he does not like my death metal music | 14:49 |
| snap-l | brousch: Yeah, it's an acquired taste. | 14:49 |
| brousch | blue man group might be good | 14:50 |
| brousch | we saw them in concert in chicago back in 2001 i think | 14:50 |
| snap-l | Yeah, Audio is not quite like their show | 14:50 |
| snap-l | but it's quite percussive | 14:50 |
| brousch | used from $0.01 | 14:51 |
| brousch | hard to pass up | 14:51 |
| snap-l | Mahler's 6th might also be good for him to improvise to | 14:51 |
| snap-l | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IT22BZ5gGbU | 14:52 |
| brousch | i hope some variety will help keep my wife's sanity | 14:52 |
| brousch | george gets stuck on one song for a month and wants only to listen to it. a month of variations on the 20th century fox fanfare gets annoying | 14:53 |
| snap-l | Heh | 14:53 |
| brousch | he plays it a dozen times on his computer, then takes it downstairs and plays it on his drums until his arms hurt | 14:54 |
| snap-l | Tataku : Best of Kodo II 1994-1999 | 14:55 |
| snap-l | I could see him getting into the second track | 14:56 |
| brousch | sounds good | 14:57 |
| snap-l | There's another one that might be too subtle for him: Raise the Roof by Michael Daugherty | 14:58 |
| snap-l | Starts out really quiet, but, well, raises the roof | 14:59 |
| snap-l | http://www.amazon.com/Daugherty-Blood-Motorcity-Triptych-Raise/dp/B002DHSGW2 | 15:00 |
| brousch | heh | 15:01 |
| snap-l | Solo timpani | 15:01 |
| snap-l | What's not to love?> | 15:01 |
| brousch | he likes some evelyn glennie | 15:02 |
| snap-l | I have not heard of her | 15:02 |
| brousch | really? | 15:03 |
| snap-l | Not by name, at least. | 15:03 |
| brousch | she even did a ted talk | 15:04 |
| snap-l | I stopped watching Ted a while back | 15:04 |
| krondor | If you're just looking for singles; Sing, Sing, Sing (With a Swing) -- Benny Goodman is percussive and a hit w/ my 4 year old. | 15:06 |
| krondor | Google also told me to read; http://kidsmusicthatrocks.blogspot.com/ | 15:09 |
| brousch | krondor: benny goodman song looks good | 15:09 |
| brousch | krondor: i need http://kidsmusicthatdoesntdriveparentsinsane.com | 15:10 |
| krondor | that's the site's subtitle basically; "Music for kids that doesn't make adults want to rip their hair out." | 15:10 |
| krondor | only skimming the content isn't that great | 15:10 |
| brousch | thanks guys | 15:18 |
| snap-l | krondor: Just play 'em White Zombie when they're young | 15:19 |
| snap-l | that's the tactic my bro-in-law has taken with his daughter. | 15:19 |
| snap-l | She loves Lacuna Coil | 15:19 |
| * krondor may be guilty of exposing his kids to not exactly 'age appropriate' music | 15:19 | |
| snap-l | "Stop whining you little brat, or you'll get The Stravinksy" again" | 15:20 |
| snap-l | "NO Daddy, ANYTHING but early 20th centruty impressionistic classical music!" | 15:21 |
| snap-l | s/impressionistic/neoclassical/ | 15:21 |
| tjagoda | so | 15:26 |
| tjagoda | Anybody have advice for managing cell phone costs when employees go internationally roaming? | 15:27 |
| tjagoda | Tired of salesmen having like $1,100 phone bills for their trips to Korea | 15:28 |
| krondor | GSM phone you could try to teach them to use a local SIM (pay as you go) when on the trip | 15:28 |
| krondor | apndroid for android also lets you disable all data/roaming with a toggle | 15:29 |
| snap-l | Implement a no-trips policy, and give the salesmen tin cans and string for phones. | 15:31 |
| krondor | some CDMA/GSM phones let you set a preferred network (so you could at least say only CDMA and stop GMS roaming). S. Korea unfortunately has CDMA though... | 15:33 |
| tjagoda | All my cells are GSM Blackberries | 15:33 |
| krondor | I think that's all the ideas I have for now | 15:33 |
| tjagoda | With a few iPhones and Droids on the salesmen | 15:33 |
| krondor | well there's your first problem :P | 15:33 |
| tjagoda | iPhones and Droids are like 80% of my cost | 15:33 |
| tjagoda | The blackberries are the opposite of problem =P | 15:33 |
| krondor | apndroid, no clue for iphones | 15:34 |
| tjagoda | Costs me $50 to get a new BBerry Torch 9810 | 15:34 |
| tjagoda | Costs me $500 to get some salesmen their iPhone 4s | 15:34 |
| tjagoda | ./rage | 15:34 |
| snap-l | tjagoda: Yeah, nobody wants to use their blackberries | 15:34 |
| tjagoda | AWESOME | 15:34 |
| tjagoda | =p | 15:34 |
| snap-l | Might as well send them into the field with a brick | 15:35 |
| snap-l | Actually, they might find that an improvement | 15:35 |
| snap-l | has a more usable interface. | 15:35 |
| snap-l | ;) | 15:35 |
| tjagoda | I love this torch | 15:36 |
| krondor | hmm, maybe your bb users are the most expensive given that backdoor to let foreign governments spy; http://www.osnews.com/story/25486 | 15:36 |
| tjagoda | Would much rather use it than support Google's growing ownership of life | 15:36 |
| tjagoda | I find myself becoming the anti-google | 15:37 |
| tjagoda | Ever since I realized they use the position data from Latitude in conjunction with your email trends to target adds to you based on what location and time of day it is | 15:38 |
| tjagoda | Feels slightly too big brother | 15:38 |
| brousch | krondor: Now that i think about it, Benny Goodman might not work. He doesn't like the cantina songs from Star Wars. He says they're "too bouncy" | 15:40 |
| snap-l | As opposed to checking in via Four Square? | 15:40 |
| krondor | brousch: lol I love kids impressions of things | 15:40 |
| snap-l | Or your cellphone company knowing where you are based on cell towers? | 15:40 |
| krondor | you have to sign into latitude (not required to use maps (yet)) | 15:41 |
| snap-l | brousch: George is Anti-Jazz? | 15:41 |
| snap-l | Ho boy | 15:41 |
| brousch | i think so | 15:41 |
| krondor | but yeah ... targetted ads will continue to get scarier and big money for google/facebook/foursquare/twitter/theNET | 15:41 |
| brousch | which is fine, because i like very little jazz | 15:41 |
| snap-l | You just haven't heard the right jazz | 15:41 |
| brousch | oh god, it's the tool thing all over again | 15:42 |
| krondor | my 4 year old is very specific in his rock picks. He says if they don't have the drums that are boom boom crash crash it's not rock | 15:42 |
| snap-l | BeBop and Post-Bop are what I really dig | 15:42 |
| * krondor flailing hands to illustrate point | 15:42 | |
| snap-l | krondor: He sounds like most of the people on reddit/metal | 15:42 |
| brousch | he's been reading my music reviews | 15:42 |
| snap-l | If it has keyboards, it's crap | 15:42 |
| snap-l | brousch: You might want to try some Finntroll on him. :) | 15:43 |
| snap-l | Actually got my dad listening to that. :) | 15:43 |
| snap-l | Nattfödd (2008) | 15:44 |
| brousch | heh | 15:44 |
| brousch | are those bagpipes? | 15:45 |
| brousch | he loves bagpipes | 15:45 |
| snap-l | They have a lot of bagpipe-sounding instruments | 15:45 |
| brousch | nah, the singing will be "Too rough" | 15:45 |
| brousch | i like it though ;) | 15:46 |
| snap-l | Just tell him they're muppets | 15:46 |
| brousch | nice | 15:46 |
| brousch | you must have an awesome dad | 15:47 |
| snap-l | He likes heavily produced stuff | 15:47 |
| snap-l | One of his favorites is Meatloaf's Bat Out Of Hell | 15:47 |
| snap-l | But yeah, growing up I raided his record collection like crazy | 15:47 |
| snap-l | which explains a lot of my musical tastes | 15:47 |
| tjagoda | I've been thinking about setting up an ownCloud on my VPS | 15:48 |
| snap-l | Harry Chapin next to Focus next to novelty records. | 15:48 |
| tjagoda | so I can reduce my google reliance | 15:48 |
| tjagoda | for googledocs, image hosting, contact sync, etc | 15:48 |
| tjagoda | http://owncloud.org/ | 15:49 |
| tjagoda | For those who haven't heard of it | 15:49 |
| snap-l | Nifelvind is the album that I introduced my dad to | 15:49 |
| krondor | I haven't played with owncloud yet, but I like the idea. I'm looking forward to the cloud desktop owncloud bits from KDE. | 15:49 |
| tjagoda | There's desktop sync in the pipes for ownCloud too | 15:49 |
| krondor | I've been looking at rsync to s3 lately | 15:50 |
| tjagoda | Seems to be less buggy than Ubuntu 1 | 15:50 |
| tjagoda | Surprised ubuntu 1 doesn't utilize ownCloud really | 15:50 |
| snap-l | brousch: Eluveitie - Slania is also very good | 15:50 |
| krondor | owncloud wasn't really doing much when u1 was out | 15:50 |
| tjagoda | I like that I can use it from both Windows and Linux | 15:51 |
| tjagoda | u1 is shittons of buggy when I try the windows client | 15:51 |
| snap-l | brousch: Though much less muppety | 15:51 |
| rick_h_ | seriously? php? You're expecting that to scale to every Ubuntu user out there? | 15:51 |
| tjagoda | I have faith in the ability of compiler nerds to do some crazy compiled php shit =( | 15:52 |
| snap-l | tjagoda: Your faith is misplaced. | 15:52 |
| rick_h_ | about 6 test files in the base project? | 15:52 |
| krondor | someday we'll get something as awesome as ifolder was (until Novell crapped on it) | 15:53 |
| tjagoda | The other major downside | 15:53 |
| tjagoda | is that it uses the apache variables for max upload size | 15:53 |
| tjagoda | sorry | 15:53 |
| tjagoda | php.ini variables for max upload size* | 15:53 |
| tjagoda | derp herp derp | 15:53 |
| snap-l | tjagoda: Any cloud solution that requires you to upload is not a cloud solution | 15:53 |
| tjagoda | Bah | 15:53 |
| snap-l | That's just called a file store. | 15:53 |
| tjagoda | Desktop sync is in teh pipes | 15:54 |
| rick_h_ | and no build server, kthx done looking at owncloud | 15:54 |
| tjagoda | And calendar and contacts syncing is all automated | 15:54 |
| snap-l | tjagoda: If it can keep more than three devices in sycn, I'll be impressed | 15:55 |
| rick_h_ | http://owncloud.org/dev/api-documentation-2/ | 15:55 |
| snap-l | rick_h_: What's wrong with two-word API docs? :) | 15:55 |
| rick_h_ | and that's -2 :) | 15:55 |
| rick_h_ | yea, can't imagine why this hasn't taken over the OSS world yet | 15:55 |
| tjagoda | We could play the "look at outdated Ubuntu wiki pages" game all day too | 15:55 |
| tjagoda | woooo | 15:55 |
| tjagoda | =P | 15:55 |
| krondor | well to be nice to owncloud it does look much farther along than when I looked 6 months ago | 15:55 |
| krondor | and they have an android client now apparently | 15:56 |
| tjagoda | looks like the next major roadmap goal is to integrate an eBook reader | 15:57 |
| tjagoda | so you can read books in your ownCloud | 15:58 |
| tjagoda | I kind of like that | 15:58 |
| tjagoda | as I have not embraced Kindles and etc. | 15:58 |
| tjagoda | "HTML 5 Drag/Drop Uploader Enable drag and drop so that users can a drag a file from the local desktop into the ownCloud browser window for uploading." | 15:58 |
| tjagoda | So uh... does HTML5 actually work yet? | 15:58 |
| rick_h_ | if you've got the right browser and do it right it can | 15:59 |
| rick_h_ | gmail is using an html5 drag/drop email attachment deal | 15:59 |
| tjagoda | I see nothing but horrible press regarding the video streaming in HTML5, wasn't sure about much else in it | 15:59 |
| rick_h_ | html5 == css3 + html5 + EMCA5 basically so there's more than video streaming in it | 16:00 |
| snap-l | Yeah, HTML5 is a major improvement over more than just video streaming | 16:02 |
| tjagoda | I knew that | 16:02 |
| tjagoda | However | 16:02 |
| tjagoda | I did not know how much of it actually worked | 16:02 |
| snap-l | would webgl and canvas also fit the HTML5 umbrella? | 16:03 |
| rick_h_ | yea, loosely as well I guess. /me hates the html5 sticker | 16:03 |
| snap-l | It's as amorpheous as web 2.0 | 16:04 |
| snap-l | Did we ever figure out what web 2.0 means? | 16:04 |
| rick_h_ | web 2.0 == html5 :) | 16:05 |
| krondor | well meaning I took it as (social integration (visitors are content producers), marketing I took it as our site is shiny and has flash/ajax) | 16:05 |
| rick_h_ | damn, was going to say web2.0 means pretty buttons | 16:06 |
| krondor | no html5 is web 2.5/3.0 get your BS terms right :) | 16:06 |
| rick_h_ | sorry, I haven't caught up on my BS Terms Monthly subscription lately | 16:06 |
| krondor | watch the marketting peeps say mobile apps are 3.0 or unweb or some crap | 16:07 |
| krondor | oh man android user meetup snuck up on me again. I missed the last two. | 16:08 |
| rick_h_ | native vs web is all the rage | 16:08 |
| rick_h_ | and I mean actual screaming rage inducing | 16:08 |
| snap-l | Done right, it shouldn't matter. | 16:09 |
| brousch | "people" are saying that users don't like a kind-of native experience, which mobile web provides. it angers and confuses them | 16:10 |
| brousch | i have not met these people | 16:10 |
| brousch | they must be ios users | 16:11 |
| krondor | brousch: ++ | 16:11 |
| * rick_h_ walks away before two hours of discussion kicks off | 16:11 | |
| brousch | i don't give a shit how something looks as long as it works. which is why i'm fine running pidgin on kubuntu | 16:11 |
| tjagoda | I think pidgin looks nice on Kubuntu | 16:12 |
| tjagoda | =( | 16:12 |
| brousch | it looks like gtk on kde | 16:12 |
| tjagoda | I was not of the opinion that is bad | 16:14 |
| brousch | me either, but it is not a consistent look and feel | 16:16 |
| brousch | and some people are said to become angered and annoyed by such thing | 16:16 |
| tjagoda | Wimps! | 16:24 |
| rick_h_ | any of you guys using vim from the cmdline have tips for making the bg not look odd? | 17:13 |
| rick_h_ | especially in the area where there's no content in the current file? | 17:14 |
| snap-l | rick_h_: Transparent bg? | 17:19 |
| snap-l | I've pretty much given up on transparent terminals because of vim and themes | 17:21 |
| rick_h_ | snap-l: like this http://uploads.mitechie.com/vim_cmd_line_color.png.png | 17:22 |
| rick_h_ | I've gotten the lines to get the darker bg until the end of the terminal | 17:23 |
| rick_h_ | but still have issues at hte bottom where there's no text | 17:23 |
| snap-l | I think that's a function of your theme. | 17:23 |
| rick_h_ | right, so I'm trying to find the right thing in the theme to fix | 17:23 |
| snap-l | rick_h_: colorscheme metacosm. ;) | 17:24 |
| snap-l | Also, there's a tmux fix as well | 17:25 |
| snap-l | one sec | 17:25 |
| snap-l | set -g default-terminal "screen-256color" | 17:25 |
| snap-l | in .tmux.conf | 17:26 |
| snap-l | and then fire up tmux with `tmux -2` | 17:26 |
| snap-l | rick_h_: Did thay help? | 17:33 |
| snap-l | http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2012/02/yahoo-claims-facebook-infringed-its-social-networking-patents.ars | 17:41 |
| snap-l | Yahoo can officially suck it. | 17:41 |
| rick_h_ | snap-l: no, I've got 256 colors, it's just that the color scheme for that area isn't set or someting. The default background from the terminal is showing | 17:43 |
| snap-l | rick_h_: Did you do both of the things I recommended? | 17:44 |
| snap-l | also, how does it look without tmux? | 17:44 |
| rick_h_ | snap-l: hmm, so looks good sans tmux | 17:46 |
| rick_h_ | I did try both the thing you mentioned | 17:46 |
| snap-l | Hmm... | 17:47 |
| snap-l | I think that was the only two things that I did to make it work | 17:47 |
| rick_h_ | well I'll see at CHC maybe | 17:51 |
| rick_h_ | thanks | 17:51 |
| snap-l | np | 17:51 |
| snap-l | tmux does some really funky things with 256 colors. I noticed it most with vim | 17:52 |
| snap-l | almost got me running back to screen | 17:53 |
| snap-l | *almost* | 17:53 |
| rick_h_ | hmm, yea. I want to try to start using some tmux splits and cmd line vim more | 17:53 |
| _stink_ | oh no | 17:54 |
| _stink_ | should i be using tmux instead of screen? | 17:54 |
| _stink_ | i hope the answer is no, or else my whole world will be turned upside-down | 17:54 |
| rick_h_ | _stink_: yea | 17:55 |
| snap-l | _stink_: WElcome to the world turning. | 17:55 |
| snap-l | strap in | 17:55 |
| rick_h_ | it's basically official now, I resisted but caving | 17:55 |
| _stink_ | ahhh god | 17:56 |
| _stink_ | the pain. | 17:56 |
| _stink_ | wow, text search switching | 17:56 |
| rick_h_ | yea, it's pretty good for most things | 17:58 |
| rick_h_ | just this colorscheme issue for me now and I'll be a happy camber | 17:58 |
| rick_h_ | camper | 17:58 |
| rick_h_ | even has diff | 17:58 |
| rick_h_ | tiling modes :) | 17:58 |
| krondor | tmux > screen I concur and byobu even wraps it now :) | 18:37 |
| rick_h_ | ugh byobu | 18:38 |
| krondor | surprised rick_h_ is ughing a python project :) | 18:38 |
| rick_h_ | I've got a few on my list | 18:40 |
| snap-l | byobu has it's moments | 18:42 |
| brousch | boobyoooooooooooo! | 18:42 |
| snap-l | I only use byobu as a dashboard for my remote host. | 18:43 |
| snap-l | that's about it. | 18:43 |
| _stink_ | yeah. like i want to reach for F9. | 18:49 |
| snap-l | Sheesh, it's not like it requires you to use F9 | 18:50 |
| _stink_ | heh, i wasn't clear. if you want to use the menus, you gotta reach all over. might as well just use it like vanilla screen, in which case it only offers the status bar stuff. | 18:54 |
| _stink_ | then you're down to using it like a dashboard. | 18:54 |
| _stink_ | which is really its only useful stuff imo. | 18:54 |
| snap-l | yep | 18:57 |
| _stink_ | so we agree! | 18:57 |
| snap-l | Yep, common ground | 18:59 |
| snap-l | It's like you read my mind | 18:59 |
| _stink_ | sorry, i'll stop | 18:59 |
| * snap-l wonders if _stink_ is his soulmate | 19:00 | |
| _stink_ | i already wrote this in a trashy romance novel | 19:00 |
| snap-l | His byobu is so dashing | 19:01 |
| _stink_ | :O | 19:01 |
| snap-l | But only the F9 key-press kept them apart | 19:01 |
| snap-l | It was as if a screen divided them | 19:02 |
| * snap-l writes a new wrapper called boddice-ripper | 19:02 | |
| _stink_ | haha | 19:03 |
| snap-l | Well, I'm a chump | 20:14 |
| brousch | admitting it is the first step | 20:14 |
| nixternal | tell us something we don't already know though | 20:14 |
| snap-l | those two days that I worked for $lastjob at the end of the year in lieu of buring the vacation is going to cost me those days. | 20:15 |
| nixternal | anyone in here: a) looking for a job b) familiar with c++/java, loadbuilding, sql, and jboss | 20:15 |
| nixternal | "work from home" | 20:15 |
| nixternal | i have a client that is looking for someone to contract/consult to fit the bill | 20:15 |
| brousch | yuck | 20:15 |
| snap-l | nixternal: Not I, but thanks. :) | 20:16 |
| Blazeix | a QA guy just emailed me a docx with a screenshot of the results of a sql query :( | 20:17 |
| Blazeix | i'm allowed to hit him, right? | 20:17 |
| nixternal | i did work for what i was told was an "all linux company" and they had a guy do the same crap to me | 20:17 |
| rick_h_ | Blazeix: yes, that's definitely allowed | 20:18 |
| nixternal | Blazeix: no to the punch, you are allowed to pimp slap him though to get his ass back in line | 20:18 |
| snap-l | Blazeix: It's the least you could do for him | 20:18 |
| nixternal | if you all know of anyone who you think might fit the bill on that job stuff, have them email me nixternal@gmail.com with their info so I can pass it on | 20:20 |
| nixternal | gotta go get more work done | 20:20 |
| brousch | any of you east siders care about this kind of job? http://www.stardock.com/about/jobs.asp#jr_web_designer | 21:44 |
| rick_h_ | I'd rather they get someone to fix that website page there | 21:44 |
| rick_h_ | wtf...animated job req's? seriously? | 21:45 |
| brousch | game company | 21:45 |
| brousch | my sister might actually have made that page, so don't get too mean ;) | 21:45 |
| rick_h_ | :/ ummm...so yea. | 21:45 |
| brousch | but probably not. doesn't look fancy enough | 21:47 |
| rick_h_ | heh, goodreads bombing for anyone else? | 21:48 |
| brousch | a little slow, but working | 21:49 |
| rick_h_ | hmm, getting nginx error | 21:49 |
| rick_h_ | talk about sites needing a makeover :/ | 21:49 |
| brousch | it must be newish if it's using nginx! | 21:52 |
| rick_h_ | heh, that's just deployment, not the actual application | 21:53 |
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