[11:24] morning [11:41] blargh [11:42] I mean, morning [13:53] Apparently tomorrow is BOGO at Caribou [13:53] (buy one, get one) [13:54] (with coupon) [13:55] ooh, they're going to regret that :P [13:57] Heh [14:06] http://magnatune.com/artists/albums/ilic-sparkling/ <- Now listening [14:32] the internet is a sad place: http://i.imgur.com/y9Nai.jpg [14:42] 4chan, not even once [14:46] I've seen some rather bright people do some really dumb things. [14:46] snap-l: i need recommendations for music with a lot of drumming suitable for a 4 year old. [14:47] Like one guy at $JOB that downloaded Win XP off of a torrent site, and used it [14:47] badass git trick of the day: http://vimbits.com/bits/173 [14:47] brousch: What kind of drumming? [14:47] Jazz? More Tribal? [14:48] like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vM8E0-ozlGA or http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPkfLALLXKY [14:48] or the imperial march from star wars [14:48] i lack the experience and vocabulary to describe it [14:48] March-like [14:49] sounds right [14:49] Well, what I was going to suggest was Kodo (Japanese drumming) [14:49] or Blue Man Group: Audio [14:49] he does not like my death metal music [14:49] brousch: Yeah, it's an acquired taste. [14:50] blue man group might be good [14:50] we saw them in concert in chicago back in 2001 i think [14:50] Yeah, Audio is not quite like their show [14:50] but it's quite percussive [14:51] used from $0.01 [14:51] hard to pass up [14:51] Mahler's 6th might also be good for him to improvise to [14:52] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IT22BZ5gGbU [14:52] i hope some variety will help keep my wife's sanity [14:53] george gets stuck on one song for a month and wants only to listen to it. a month of variations on the 20th century fox fanfare gets annoying [14:53] Heh [14:54] he plays it a dozen times on his computer, then takes it downstairs and plays it on his drums until his arms hurt [14:55] Tataku : Best of Kodo II 1994-1999 [14:56] I could see him getting into the second track [14:57] sounds good [14:58] There's another one that might be too subtle for him: Raise the Roof by Michael Daugherty [14:59] Starts out really quiet, but, well, raises the roof [15:00] http://www.amazon.com/Daugherty-Blood-Motorcity-Triptych-Raise/dp/B002DHSGW2 [15:01] heh [15:01] Solo timpani [15:01] What's not to love?> [15:02] he likes some evelyn glennie [15:02] I have not heard of her [15:03] really? [15:03] Not by name, at least. [15:04] she even did a ted talk [15:04] I stopped watching Ted a while back [15:06] If you're just looking for singles; Sing, Sing, Sing (With a Swing) -- Benny Goodman is percussive and a hit w/ my 4 year old. [15:09] Google also told me to read; http://kidsmusicthatrocks.blogspot.com/ [15:09] krondor: benny goodman song looks good [15:10] krondor: i need http://kidsmusicthatdoesntdriveparentsinsane.com [15:10] that's the site's subtitle basically; "Music for kids that doesn't make adults want to rip their hair out." [15:10] only skimming the content isn't that great [15:18] thanks guys [15:19] krondor: Just play 'em White Zombie when they're young [15:19] that's the tactic my bro-in-law has taken with his daughter. [15:19] She loves Lacuna Coil [15:19] * krondor may be guilty of exposing his kids to not exactly 'age appropriate' music [15:20] "Stop whining you little brat, or you'll get The Stravinksy" again" [15:21] "NO Daddy, ANYTHING but early 20th centruty impressionistic classical music!" [15:21] s/impressionistic/neoclassical/ [15:26] so [15:27] Anybody have advice for managing cell phone costs when employees go internationally roaming? [15:28] Tired of salesmen having like $1,100 phone bills for their trips to Korea [15:28] GSM phone you could try to teach them to use a local SIM (pay as you go) when on the trip [15:29] apndroid for android also lets you disable all data/roaming with a toggle [15:31] Implement a no-trips policy, and give the salesmen tin cans and string for phones. [15:33] some CDMA/GSM phones let you set a preferred network (so you could at least say only CDMA and stop GMS roaming). S. Korea unfortunately has CDMA though... [15:33] All my cells are GSM Blackberries [15:33] I think that's all the ideas I have for now [15:33] With a few iPhones and Droids on the salesmen [15:33] well there's your first problem :P [15:33] iPhones and Droids are like 80% of my cost [15:33] The blackberries are the opposite of problem =P [15:34] apndroid, no clue for iphones [15:34] Costs me $50 to get a new BBerry Torch 9810 [15:34] Costs me $500 to get some salesmen their iPhone 4s [15:34] ./rage [15:34] tjagoda: Yeah, nobody wants to use their blackberries [15:34] AWESOME [15:34] =p [15:35] Might as well send them into the field with a brick [15:35] Actually, they might find that an improvement [15:35] has a more usable interface. [15:35] ;) [15:36] I love this torch [15:36] hmm, maybe your bb users are the most expensive given that backdoor to let foreign governments spy; http://www.osnews.com/story/25486 [15:36] Would much rather use it than support Google's growing ownership of life [15:37] I find myself becoming the anti-google [15:38] Ever since I realized they use the position data from Latitude in conjunction with your email trends to target adds to you based on what location and time of day it is [15:38] Feels slightly too big brother [15:40] krondor: Now that i think about it, Benny Goodman might not work. He doesn't like the cantina songs from Star Wars. He says they're "too bouncy" [15:40] As opposed to checking in via Four Square? [15:40] brousch: lol I love kids impressions of things [15:40] Or your cellphone company knowing where you are based on cell towers? [15:41] you have to sign into latitude (not required to use maps (yet)) [15:41] brousch: George is Anti-Jazz? [15:41] Ho boy [15:41] i think so [15:41] but yeah ... targetted ads will continue to get scarier and big money for google/facebook/foursquare/twitter/theNET [15:41] which is fine, because i like very little jazz [15:41] You just haven't heard the right jazz [15:42] oh god, it's the tool thing all over again [15:42] my 4 year old is very specific in his rock picks. He says if they don't have the drums that are boom boom crash crash it's not rock [15:42] BeBop and Post-Bop are what I really dig [15:42] * krondor flailing hands to illustrate point [15:42] krondor: He sounds like most of the people on reddit/metal [15:42] he's been reading my music reviews [15:42] If it has keyboards, it's crap [15:43] brousch: You might want to try some Finntroll on him. :) [15:43] Actually got my dad listening to that. :) [15:44] Nattfödd (2008) [15:44] heh [15:45] are those bagpipes? [15:45] he loves bagpipes [15:45] They have a lot of bagpipe-sounding instruments [15:45] nah, the singing will be "Too rough" [15:46] i like it though ;) [15:46] Just tell him they're muppets [15:46] nice [15:47] you must have an awesome dad [15:47] He likes heavily produced stuff [15:47] One of his favorites is Meatloaf's Bat Out Of Hell [15:47] But yeah, growing up I raided his record collection like crazy [15:47] which explains a lot of my musical tastes [15:48] I've been thinking about setting up an ownCloud on my VPS [15:48] Harry Chapin next to Focus next to novelty records. [15:48] so I can reduce my google reliance [15:48] for googledocs, image hosting, contact sync, etc [15:49] http://owncloud.org/ [15:49] For those who haven't heard of it [15:49] Nifelvind is the album that I introduced my dad to [15:49] I haven't played with owncloud yet, but I like the idea. I'm looking forward to the cloud desktop owncloud bits from KDE. [15:49] There's desktop sync in the pipes for ownCloud too [15:50] I've been looking at rsync to s3 lately [15:50] Seems to be less buggy than Ubuntu 1 [15:50] Surprised ubuntu 1 doesn't utilize ownCloud really [15:50] brousch: Eluveitie - Slania is also very good [15:50] owncloud wasn't really doing much when u1 was out [15:51] I like that I can use it from both Windows and Linux [15:51] u1 is shittons of buggy when I try the windows client [15:51] brousch: Though much less muppety [15:51] seriously? php? You're expecting that to scale to every Ubuntu user out there? [15:52] I have faith in the ability of compiler nerds to do some crazy compiled php shit =( [15:52] tjagoda: Your faith is misplaced. [15:52] about 6 test files in the base project? [15:53] someday we'll get something as awesome as ifolder was (until Novell crapped on it) [15:53] The other major downside [15:53] is that it uses the apache variables for max upload size [15:53] sorry [15:53] php.ini variables for max upload size* [15:53] derp herp derp [15:53] tjagoda: Any cloud solution that requires you to upload is not a cloud solution [15:53] Bah [15:53] That's just called a file store. [15:54] Desktop sync is in teh pipes [15:54] and no build server, kthx done looking at owncloud [15:54] And calendar and contacts syncing is all automated [15:55] tjagoda: If it can keep more than three devices in sycn, I'll be impressed [15:55] http://owncloud.org/dev/api-documentation-2/ [15:55] rick_h_: What's wrong with two-word API docs? :) [15:55] and that's -2 :) [15:55] yea, can't imagine why this hasn't taken over the OSS world yet [15:55] We could play the "look at outdated Ubuntu wiki pages" game all day too [15:55] woooo [15:55] =P [15:55] well to be nice to owncloud it does look much farther along than when I looked 6 months ago [15:56] and they have an android client now apparently [15:57] looks like the next major roadmap goal is to integrate an eBook reader [15:58] so you can read books in your ownCloud [15:58] I kind of like that [15:58] as I have not embraced Kindles and etc. [15:58] "HTML 5 Drag/Drop Uploader Enable drag and drop so that users can a drag a file from the local desktop into the ownCloud browser window for uploading." [15:58] So uh... does HTML5 actually work yet? [15:59] if you've got the right browser and do it right it can [15:59] gmail is using an html5 drag/drop email attachment deal [15:59] I see nothing but horrible press regarding the video streaming in HTML5, wasn't sure about much else in it [16:00] html5 == css3 + html5 + EMCA5 basically so there's more than video streaming in it [16:02] Yeah, HTML5 is a major improvement over more than just video streaming [16:02] I knew that [16:02] However [16:02] I did not know how much of it actually worked [16:03] would webgl and canvas also fit the HTML5 umbrella? [16:03] yea, loosely as well I guess. /me hates the html5 sticker [16:04] It's as amorpheous as web 2.0 [16:04] Did we ever figure out what web 2.0 means? [16:05] web 2.0 == html5 :) [16:05] well meaning I took it as (social integration (visitors are content producers), marketing I took it as our site is shiny and has flash/ajax) [16:06] damn, was going to say web2.0 means pretty buttons [16:06] no html5 is web 2.5/3.0 get your BS terms right :) [16:06] sorry, I haven't caught up on my BS Terms Monthly subscription lately [16:07] watch the marketting peeps say mobile apps are 3.0 or unweb or some crap [16:08] oh man android user meetup snuck up on me again. I missed the last two. [16:08] native vs web is all the rage [16:08] and I mean actual screaming rage inducing [16:09] Done right, it shouldn't matter. [16:10] "people" are saying that users don't like a kind-of native experience, which mobile web provides. it angers and confuses them [16:10] i have not met these people [16:11] they must be ios users [16:11] brousch: ++ [16:11] * rick_h_ walks away before two hours of discussion kicks off [16:11] i don't give a shit how something looks as long as it works. which is why i'm fine running pidgin on kubuntu [16:12] I think pidgin looks nice on Kubuntu [16:12] =( [16:12] it looks like gtk on kde [16:14] I was not of the opinion that is bad [16:16] me either, but it is not a consistent look and feel [16:16] and some people are said to become angered and annoyed by such thing [16:24] Wimps! [17:13] any of you guys using vim from the cmdline have tips for making the bg not look odd? [17:14] especially in the area where there's no content in the current file? [17:19] rick_h_: Transparent bg? [17:21] I've pretty much given up on transparent terminals because of vim and themes [17:22] snap-l: like this http://uploads.mitechie.com/vim_cmd_line_color.png.png [17:23] I've gotten the lines to get the darker bg until the end of the terminal [17:23] but still have issues at hte bottom where there's no text [17:23] I think that's a function of your theme. [17:23] right, so I'm trying to find the right thing in the theme to fix [17:24] rick_h_: colorscheme metacosm. ;) [17:25] Also, there's a tmux fix as well [17:25] one sec [17:25] set -g default-terminal "screen-256color" [17:26] in .tmux.conf [17:26] and then fire up tmux with `tmux -2` [17:33] rick_h_: Did thay help? [17:41] http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2012/02/yahoo-claims-facebook-infringed-its-social-networking-patents.ars [17:41] Yahoo can officially suck it. [17:43] snap-l: no, I've got 256 colors, it's just that the color scheme for that area isn't set or someting. The default background from the terminal is showing [17:44] rick_h_: Did you do both of the things I recommended? [17:44] also, how does it look without tmux? [17:46] snap-l: hmm, so looks good sans tmux [17:46] I did try both the thing you mentioned [17:47] Hmm... [17:47] I think that was the only two things that I did to make it work [17:51] well I'll see at CHC maybe [17:51] thanks [17:51] np [17:52] tmux does some really funky things with 256 colors. I noticed it most with vim [17:53] almost got me running back to screen [17:53] *almost* [17:53] hmm, yea. I want to try to start using some tmux splits and cmd line vim more [17:54] <_stink_> oh no [17:54] <_stink_> should i be using tmux instead of screen? [17:54] <_stink_> i hope the answer is no, or else my whole world will be turned upside-down [17:55] _stink_: yea [17:55] _stink_: WElcome to the world turning. [17:55] strap in [17:55] it's basically official now, I resisted but caving [17:56] <_stink_> ahhh god [17:56] <_stink_> the pain. [17:56] <_stink_> wow, text search switching [17:58] yea, it's pretty good for most things [17:58] just this colorscheme issue for me now and I'll be a happy camber [17:58] camper [17:58] even has diff [17:58] tiling modes :) [18:37] tmux > screen I concur and byobu even wraps it now :) [18:38] ugh byobu [18:38] surprised rick_h_ is ughing a python project :) [18:40] I've got a few on my list [18:42] byobu has it's moments [18:42] boobyoooooooooooo! [18:43] I only use byobu as a dashboard for my remote host. [18:43] that's about it. [18:49] <_stink_> yeah. like i want to reach for F9. [18:50] Sheesh, it's not like it requires you to use F9 [18:54] <_stink_> heh, i wasn't clear. if you want to use the menus, you gotta reach all over. might as well just use it like vanilla screen, in which case it only offers the status bar stuff. [18:54] <_stink_> then you're down to using it like a dashboard. [18:54] <_stink_> which is really its only useful stuff imo. [18:57] yep [18:57] <_stink_> so we agree! [18:59] Yep, common ground [18:59] It's like you read my mind [18:59] <_stink_> sorry, i'll stop [19:00] * snap-l wonders if _stink_ is his soulmate [19:00] <_stink_> i already wrote this in a trashy romance novel [19:01] His byobu is so dashing [19:01] <_stink_> :O [19:01] But only the F9 key-press kept them apart [19:02] It was as if a screen divided them [19:02] * snap-l writes a new wrapper called boddice-ripper [19:03] <_stink_> haha [20:14] Well, I'm a chump [20:14] admitting it is the first step [20:14] tell us something we don't already know though [20:15] those two days that I worked for $lastjob at the end of the year in lieu of buring the vacation is going to cost me those days. [20:15] anyone in here: a) looking for a job b) familiar with c++/java, loadbuilding, sql, and jboss [20:15] "work from home" [20:15] i have a client that is looking for someone to contract/consult to fit the bill [20:15] yuck [20:16] nixternal: Not I, but thanks. :) [20:17] a QA guy just emailed me a docx with a screenshot of the results of a sql query :( [20:17] i'm allowed to hit him, right? [20:17] i did work for what i was told was an "all linux company" and they had a guy do the same crap to me [20:18] Blazeix: yes, that's definitely allowed [20:18] Blazeix: no to the punch, you are allowed to pimp slap him though to get his ass back in line [20:18] Blazeix: It's the least you could do for him [20:20] if you all know of anyone who you think might fit the bill on that job stuff, have them email me nixternal@gmail.com with their info so I can pass it on [20:20] gotta go get more work done [21:44] any of you east siders care about this kind of job? http://www.stardock.com/about/jobs.asp#jr_web_designer [21:44] I'd rather they get someone to fix that website page there [21:45] wtf...animated job req's? seriously? [21:45] game company [21:45] my sister might actually have made that page, so don't get too mean ;) [21:45] :/ ummm...so yea. [21:47] but probably not. doesn't look fancy enough [21:48] heh, goodreads bombing for anyone else? [21:49] a little slow, but working [21:49] hmm, getting nginx error [21:49] talk about sites needing a makeover :/ [21:52] it must be newish if it's using nginx! [21:53] heh, that's just deployment, not the actual application