[11:24] <rick_h_> morning
[11:41] <snap-l> blargh
[11:42] <snap-l> I mean, morning
[13:53] <snap-l> Apparently tomorrow is BOGO at Caribou
[13:53] <snap-l> (buy one, get one)
[13:54] <snap-l> (with coupon)
[13:55] <rick_h_> ooh, they're going to regret that :P
[13:57] <snap-l> Heh
[14:06] <snap-l> http://magnatune.com/artists/albums/ilic-sparkling/ <- Now listening
[14:32] <rick_h_> the internet is a sad place: http://i.imgur.com/y9Nai.jpg
[14:42] <Scott_firebeta> 4chan, not even once
[14:46] <snap-l> I've seen some rather bright people do some really dumb things.
[14:46] <brousch> snap-l: i need recommendations for music with a lot of drumming suitable for a 4 year old.
[14:47] <snap-l> Like one guy at $JOB that downloaded Win XP off of a torrent site, and used it
[14:47] <rick_h_> badass git trick of the day: http://vimbits.com/bits/173
[14:47] <snap-l> brousch: What kind of drumming?
[14:47] <snap-l> Jazz? More Tribal?
[14:48] <brousch> like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vM8E0-ozlGA or http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPkfLALLXKY
[14:48] <brousch> or the imperial march from star wars
[14:48] <brousch> i lack the experience and vocabulary to describe it
[14:48] <snap-l> March-like
[14:49] <brousch> sounds right
[14:49] <snap-l> Well, what I was going to suggest was Kodo (Japanese drumming)
[14:49] <snap-l> or Blue Man Group: Audio
[14:49] <brousch> he does not like my death metal music
[14:49] <snap-l> brousch: Yeah, it's an acquired taste.
[14:50] <brousch> blue man group might be good
[14:50] <brousch> we saw them in concert in chicago back in 2001 i think
[14:50] <snap-l> Yeah, Audio is not quite like their show
[14:50] <snap-l> but it's quite percussive
[14:51] <brousch> used from $0.01
[14:51] <brousch> hard to pass up
[14:51] <snap-l> Mahler's 6th might also be good for him to improvise to
[14:52] <snap-l> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IT22BZ5gGbU
[14:52] <brousch> i hope some variety will help keep my wife's sanity
[14:53] <brousch> george gets stuck on one song for a month and wants only to listen to it. a month of variations on the 20th century fox fanfare gets annoying
[14:53] <snap-l> Heh
[14:54] <brousch> he plays it a dozen times on his computer, then takes it downstairs and plays it on his drums until his arms hurt
[14:55] <snap-l> Tataku : Best of Kodo II 1994-1999
[14:56] <snap-l> I could see him getting into the second track
[14:57] <brousch> sounds good
[14:58] <snap-l> There's another one that might be too subtle for him: Raise the Roof by Michael Daugherty
[14:59] <snap-l> Starts out really quiet, but, well, raises the roof
[15:00] <snap-l> http://www.amazon.com/Daugherty-Blood-Motorcity-Triptych-Raise/dp/B002DHSGW2
[15:01] <brousch> heh
[15:01] <snap-l> Solo timpani
[15:01] <snap-l> What's not to love?>
[15:02] <brousch> he likes some evelyn glennie
[15:02] <snap-l> I have not heard of her
[15:03] <brousch> really?
[15:03] <snap-l> Not by name, at least.
[15:04] <brousch> she even did a ted talk
[15:04] <snap-l> I stopped watching Ted a while back
[15:06] <krondor> If you're just looking for singles; Sing, Sing, Sing (With a Swing) -- Benny Goodman is percussive and a hit w/ my 4 year old.
[15:09] <krondor> Google also told me to read; http://kidsmusicthatrocks.blogspot.com/
[15:09] <brousch> krondor: benny goodman song looks good
[15:10] <brousch> krondor: i need http://kidsmusicthatdoesntdriveparentsinsane.com
[15:10] <krondor> that's the site's subtitle basically; "Music for kids that doesn't make adults want to rip their hair out."
[15:10] <krondor> only skimming the content isn't that great
[15:18] <brousch> thanks guys
[15:19] <snap-l> krondor: Just play 'em White Zombie when they're young
[15:19] <snap-l> that's the tactic my bro-in-law has taken with his daughter.
[15:19] <snap-l> She loves Lacuna Coil
[15:19]  * krondor may be guilty of exposing his kids to not exactly 'age appropriate' music
[15:20] <snap-l> "Stop whining you little brat, or you'll get The Stravinksy" again"
[15:21] <snap-l> "NO Daddy, ANYTHING but early 20th centruty impressionistic classical music!"
[15:21] <snap-l> s/impressionistic/neoclassical/
[15:26] <tjagoda> so
[15:27] <tjagoda> Anybody have advice for managing cell phone costs when employees go internationally roaming?
[15:28] <tjagoda> Tired of salesmen having like $1,100 phone bills for their trips to Korea
[15:28] <krondor> GSM phone you could try to teach them to use a local SIM (pay as you go) when on the trip
[15:29] <krondor> apndroid for android also lets you disable all data/roaming with a toggle
[15:31] <snap-l> Implement a no-trips policy, and give the salesmen tin cans and string for phones.
[15:33] <krondor> some CDMA/GSM phones let you set a preferred network (so you could at least say only CDMA and stop GMS roaming).  S. Korea unfortunately has CDMA though...
[15:33] <tjagoda> All my cells are GSM Blackberries
[15:33] <krondor> I think that's all the ideas I have for now
[15:33] <tjagoda> With a few iPhones and Droids on the salesmen
[15:33] <krondor> well there's your first problem :P
[15:33] <tjagoda> iPhones and Droids are like 80% of my cost
[15:33] <tjagoda> The blackberries are the opposite of problem =P
[15:34] <krondor> apndroid, no clue for iphones
[15:34] <tjagoda> Costs me $50 to get a new BBerry Torch 9810
[15:34] <tjagoda> Costs me $500 to get some salesmen their iPhone 4s
[15:34] <tjagoda>  ./rage
[15:34] <snap-l> tjagoda: Yeah, nobody wants to use their blackberries
[15:34] <tjagoda> AWESOME
[15:34] <tjagoda> =p
[15:35] <snap-l> Might as well send them into the field with a brick
[15:35] <snap-l> Actually, they might find that an improvement
[15:35] <snap-l> has a more usable interface.
[15:35] <snap-l> ;)
[15:36] <tjagoda> I love this torch
[15:36] <krondor> hmm, maybe your bb users are the most expensive given that backdoor to let foreign governments spy; http://www.osnews.com/story/25486
[15:36] <tjagoda> Would much rather use it than support Google's growing ownership of life
[15:37] <tjagoda> I find myself becoming the anti-google
[15:38] <tjagoda> Ever since I realized they use the position data from Latitude in conjunction with your email trends to target adds to you based on what location and time of day it is
[15:38] <tjagoda> Feels slightly too big brother
[15:40] <brousch> krondor: Now that i think about it, Benny Goodman might not work. He doesn't like the cantina songs from Star Wars. He says they're "too bouncy"
[15:40] <snap-l> As opposed to checking in via Four Square?
[15:40] <krondor> brousch:  lol I love kids impressions of things
[15:40] <snap-l> Or your cellphone company knowing where you are based on cell towers?
[15:41] <krondor> you have to sign into latitude (not required to use maps (yet))
[15:41] <snap-l> brousch: George is Anti-Jazz?
[15:41] <snap-l> Ho boy
[15:41] <brousch> i think so
[15:41] <krondor> but yeah ... targetted ads will continue to get scarier and big money for google/facebook/foursquare/twitter/theNET
[15:41] <brousch> which is fine, because i like very little jazz
[15:41] <snap-l> You just haven't heard the right jazz
[15:42] <brousch> oh god, it's the tool thing all over again
[15:42] <krondor> my 4 year old is very specific in his rock picks.  He says if they don't have the drums that are boom boom crash crash it's not rock
[15:42] <snap-l> BeBop and Post-Bop are what I really dig
[15:42]  * krondor flailing hands to illustrate point
[15:42] <snap-l> krondor: He sounds like most of the people on reddit/metal
[15:42] <brousch> he's been reading my music reviews
[15:42] <snap-l> If it has keyboards, it's crap
[15:43] <snap-l> brousch: You might want to try some Finntroll on him. :)
[15:43] <snap-l> Actually got my dad listening to that. :)
[15:44] <snap-l> Nattfödd (2008)
[15:44] <brousch> heh
[15:45] <brousch> are those bagpipes?
[15:45] <brousch> he loves bagpipes
[15:45] <snap-l> They have a lot of bagpipe-sounding instruments
[15:45] <brousch> nah, the singing will be "Too rough"
[15:46] <brousch> i like it though ;)
[15:46] <snap-l> Just tell him they're muppets
[15:46] <brousch> nice
[15:47] <brousch> you must have an awesome dad
[15:47] <snap-l> He likes heavily produced stuff
[15:47] <snap-l> One of his favorites is Meatloaf's Bat Out Of Hell
[15:47] <snap-l> But yeah, growing up I raided his record collection like crazy
[15:47] <snap-l> which explains a lot of my musical tastes
[15:48] <tjagoda> I've been thinking about setting up an ownCloud on my VPS
[15:48] <snap-l> Harry Chapin next to Focus next to novelty records.
[15:48] <tjagoda> so I can reduce my google reliance
[15:48] <tjagoda> for googledocs, image hosting, contact sync, etc
[15:49] <tjagoda> http://owncloud.org/
[15:49] <tjagoda> For those who haven't heard of it
[15:49] <snap-l> Nifelvind is the album that I introduced my dad to
[15:49] <krondor> I haven't played with owncloud yet, but I like the idea.  I'm looking forward to the cloud desktop owncloud bits from KDE.
[15:49] <tjagoda> There's desktop sync in the pipes for ownCloud too
[15:50] <krondor> I've been looking at rsync to s3 lately
[15:50] <tjagoda> Seems to be less buggy than Ubuntu 1
[15:50] <tjagoda> Surprised ubuntu 1 doesn't utilize ownCloud really
[15:50] <snap-l> brousch: Eluveitie - Slania is also very good
[15:50] <krondor> owncloud wasn't really doing much when u1 was out
[15:51] <tjagoda> I like that I can use it from both Windows and Linux
[15:51] <tjagoda> u1 is shittons of buggy when I try the windows client
[15:51] <snap-l> brousch: Though much less muppety
[15:51] <rick_h_> seriously? php? You're expecting that to scale to every Ubuntu user out there?
[15:52] <tjagoda> I have faith in the ability of compiler nerds to do some crazy compiled php shit =(
[15:52] <snap-l> tjagoda: Your faith is misplaced.
[15:52] <rick_h_> about 6 test files in the base project?
[15:53] <krondor> someday we'll get something as awesome as ifolder was (until Novell crapped on it)
[15:53] <tjagoda> The other major downside
[15:53] <tjagoda> is that it uses the apache variables for max upload size
[15:53] <tjagoda> sorry
[15:53] <tjagoda> php.ini variables for max upload size*
[15:53] <tjagoda> derp herp derp
[15:53] <snap-l> tjagoda: Any cloud solution that requires you to upload is not a cloud solution
[15:53] <tjagoda> Bah
[15:53] <snap-l> That's just called a file store.
[15:54] <tjagoda> Desktop sync is in teh pipes
[15:54] <rick_h_> and no build server, kthx done looking at owncloud
[15:54] <tjagoda> And calendar and contacts syncing is all automated
[15:55] <snap-l> tjagoda: If it can keep more than three devices in sycn, I'll be impressed
[15:55] <rick_h_> http://owncloud.org/dev/api-documentation-2/
[15:55] <snap-l> rick_h_: What's wrong with two-word API docs? :)
[15:55] <rick_h_> and that's -2 :)
[15:55] <rick_h_> yea, can't imagine why this hasn't taken over the OSS world yet
[15:55] <tjagoda> We could play the "look at outdated Ubuntu wiki pages" game all day too
[15:55] <tjagoda> woooo
[15:55] <tjagoda> =P
[15:55] <krondor> well to be nice to owncloud it does look much farther along than when I looked 6 months ago
[15:56] <krondor> and they have an android client now apparently
[15:57] <tjagoda> looks like the next major roadmap goal is to integrate an eBook reader
[15:58] <tjagoda> so you can read books in your ownCloud
[15:58] <tjagoda> I kind of like that
[15:58] <tjagoda> as I have not embraced Kindles and etc.
[15:58] <tjagoda> "HTML 5 Drag/Drop Uploader Enable drag and drop so that users can a drag a file from the local desktop into the ownCloud browser window for uploading."
[15:58] <tjagoda> So uh... does HTML5 actually work yet?
[15:59] <rick_h_> if you've got the right browser and do it right it can
[15:59] <rick_h_> gmail is using an html5 drag/drop email attachment deal
[15:59] <tjagoda> I see nothing but horrible press regarding the video streaming in HTML5, wasn't sure about much else in it
[16:00] <rick_h_> html5 == css3 + html5 + EMCA5 basically so there's more than video streaming in it
[16:02] <snap-l> Yeah, HTML5 is a major improvement over more than just video streaming
[16:02] <tjagoda> I knew that
[16:02] <tjagoda> However
[16:02] <tjagoda> I did not know how much of it actually worked
[16:03] <snap-l> would webgl and canvas also fit the HTML5 umbrella?
[16:03] <rick_h_> yea, loosely as well I guess. /me hates the html5 sticker
[16:04] <snap-l> It's as amorpheous as web 2.0
[16:04] <snap-l> Did we ever figure out what web 2.0 means?
[16:05] <rick_h_> web 2.0 == html5 :)
[16:05] <krondor> well meaning I took it as (social integration (visitors are content producers), marketing I took it as our site is shiny and has flash/ajax)
[16:06] <rick_h_> damn, was going to say web2.0 means pretty buttons
[16:06] <krondor> no html5 is web 2.5/3.0 get your BS terms right :)
[16:06] <rick_h_> sorry, I haven't caught up on my BS Terms Monthly subscription lately
[16:07] <krondor> watch the marketting peeps say mobile apps are 3.0 or unweb or some crap
[16:08] <krondor> oh man android user meetup snuck up on me again.  I missed the last two.
[16:08] <rick_h_> native vs web is all the rage
[16:08] <rick_h_> and I mean actual screaming rage inducing
[16:09] <snap-l> Done right, it shouldn't matter.
[16:10] <brousch> "people" are saying that users don't like a kind-of native experience, which mobile web provides. it angers and confuses them
[16:10] <brousch> i have not met these people
[16:11] <brousch> they must be ios users
[16:11] <krondor> brousch: ++
[16:11]  * rick_h_ walks away before two hours of discussion kicks off
[16:11] <brousch> i don't give a shit how something looks as long as it works. which is why i'm fine running pidgin on kubuntu
[16:12] <tjagoda> I think pidgin looks nice on Kubuntu
[16:12] <tjagoda> =(
[16:12] <brousch> it looks like gtk on kde
[16:14] <tjagoda> I was not of the opinion that is bad
[16:16] <brousch> me either, but it is not a consistent look and feel
[16:16] <brousch> and some people are said to become angered and annoyed by such thing
[16:24] <tjagoda> Wimps!
[17:13] <rick_h_> any of you guys using vim from the cmdline have tips for making the bg not look odd?
[17:14] <rick_h_> especially in the area where there's no content in the current file?
[17:19] <snap-l> rick_h_: Transparent bg?
[17:21] <snap-l> I've pretty much given up on transparent terminals because of vim and themes
[17:22] <rick_h_> snap-l: like this http://uploads.mitechie.com/vim_cmd_line_color.png.png
[17:23] <rick_h_> I've gotten the lines to get the darker bg until the end of the terminal
[17:23] <rick_h_> but still have issues at hte bottom where there's no text
[17:23] <snap-l> I think that's a function of your theme.
[17:23] <rick_h_> right, so I'm trying to find the right thing in the theme to fix
[17:24] <snap-l> rick_h_: colorscheme metacosm. ;)
[17:25] <snap-l> Also, there's a tmux fix as well
[17:25] <snap-l> one sec
[17:25] <snap-l> set -g default-terminal "screen-256color"
[17:26] <snap-l> in .tmux.conf
[17:26] <snap-l> and then fire up tmux with `tmux -2`
[17:33] <snap-l> rick_h_: Did thay help?
[17:41] <snap-l> http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2012/02/yahoo-claims-facebook-infringed-its-social-networking-patents.ars
[17:41] <snap-l> Yahoo can officially suck it.
[17:43] <rick_h_> snap-l: no, I've got 256 colors, it's just that the color scheme for that area isn't set or someting. The default background from the terminal is showing
[17:44] <snap-l> rick_h_: Did you do both of the things I recommended?
[17:44] <snap-l> also, how does it look without tmux?
[17:46] <rick_h_> snap-l: hmm, so looks good sans tmux
[17:46] <rick_h_> I did try both the thing you mentioned
[17:47] <snap-l> Hmm...
[17:47] <snap-l> I think that was the only two things that I did to make it work
[17:51] <rick_h_> well I'll see at CHC maybe
[17:51] <rick_h_> thanks
[17:51] <snap-l> np
[17:52] <snap-l> tmux does some really funky things with 256 colors. I noticed it most with vim
[17:53] <snap-l> almost got me running back to screen
[17:53] <snap-l> *almost*
[17:53] <rick_h_> hmm, yea. I want to try to start using some tmux splits and cmd line vim more
[17:54] <_stink_> oh no
[17:54] <_stink_> should i be using tmux instead of screen?
[17:54] <_stink_> i hope the answer is no, or else my whole world will be turned upside-down
[17:55] <rick_h_> _stink_: yea
[17:55] <snap-l> _stink_: WElcome to the world turning.
[17:55] <snap-l> strap in
[17:55] <rick_h_> it's basically official now, I resisted but caving
[17:56] <_stink_> ahhh god
[17:56] <_stink_> the pain.
[17:56] <_stink_> wow, text search switching
[17:58] <rick_h_> yea, it's pretty good for most things
[17:58] <rick_h_> just this colorscheme issue for me now and I'll be a happy camber
[17:58] <rick_h_> camper
[17:58] <rick_h_> even has diff
[17:58] <rick_h_> tiling modes :)
[18:37] <krondor> tmux > screen I concur and byobu even wraps it now :)
[18:38] <rick_h_> ugh byobu
[18:38] <krondor> surprised rick_h_ is ughing a python project :)
[18:40] <rick_h_> I've got a few on my list
[18:42] <snap-l> byobu has it's moments
[18:42] <brousch> boobyoooooooooooo!
[18:43] <snap-l> I only use byobu as a dashboard for my remote host.
[18:43] <snap-l> that's about it.
[18:49] <_stink_> yeah.  like i want to reach for F9.
[18:50] <snap-l> Sheesh, it's not like it requires you to use F9
[18:54] <_stink_> heh, i wasn't clear.  if you want to use the menus, you gotta reach all over.  might as well just use it like vanilla screen, in which case it only offers the status bar stuff.
[18:54] <_stink_> then you're down to using it like a dashboard.
[18:54] <_stink_> which is really its only useful stuff imo.
[18:57] <snap-l> yep
[18:57] <_stink_> so we agree!
[18:59] <snap-l> Yep, common ground
[18:59] <snap-l> It's like you read my mind
[18:59] <_stink_> sorry, i'll stop
[19:00]  * snap-l wonders if _stink_ is his soulmate
[19:00] <_stink_> i already wrote this in a trashy romance novel
[19:01] <snap-l> His byobu is so dashing
[19:01] <_stink_> :O
[19:01] <snap-l> But only the F9 key-press kept them apart
[19:02] <snap-l> It was as if a screen divided them
[19:02]  * snap-l writes a new wrapper called boddice-ripper
[19:03] <_stink_> haha
[20:14] <snap-l> Well, I'm a chump
[20:14] <brousch> admitting it is the first step
[20:14] <nixternal> tell us something we don't already know though
[20:15] <snap-l> those two days that I worked for $lastjob at the end of the year in lieu of buring the vacation is going to cost me those days.
[20:15] <nixternal> anyone in here:   a) looking for a job     b) familiar with c++/java, loadbuilding, sql, and jboss
[20:15] <nixternal> "work from home"
[20:15] <nixternal> i have a client that is looking for someone to contract/consult to fit the bill
[20:15] <brousch> yuck
[20:16] <snap-l> nixternal: Not I, but thanks. :)
[20:17] <Blazeix> a QA guy just emailed me a docx with a screenshot of the results of a sql query :(
[20:17] <Blazeix> i'm allowed to hit him, right?
[20:17] <nixternal> i did work for what i was told was an "all linux company" and they had a guy do the same crap to me
[20:18] <rick_h_> Blazeix: yes, that's definitely allowed
[20:18] <nixternal> Blazeix: no to the punch, you are allowed to pimp slap him though to get his ass back in line
[20:18] <snap-l> Blazeix: It's the least you could do for him
[20:20] <nixternal> if you all know of anyone who you think might fit the bill on that job stuff, have them email me nixternal@gmail.com with their info so I can pass it on
[20:20] <nixternal> gotta go get more work done
[21:44] <brousch> any of you east siders care about this kind of job? http://www.stardock.com/about/jobs.asp#jr_web_designer
[21:44] <rick_h_> I'd rather they get someone to fix that website page there
[21:45] <rick_h_> wtf...animated job req's? seriously?
[21:45] <brousch> game company
[21:45] <brousch> my sister might actually have made that page, so don't get too mean ;)
[21:45] <rick_h_> :/ ummm...so yea.
[21:47] <brousch> but probably not. doesn't look fancy enough
[21:48] <rick_h_> heh, goodreads bombing for anyone else?
[21:49] <brousch> a little slow, but working
[21:49] <rick_h_> hmm, getting nginx error
[21:49] <rick_h_> talk about sites needing a makeover :/
[21:52] <brousch> it must be newish if it's using nginx!
[21:53] <rick_h_> heh, that's just deployment, not the actual application