[05:50] <inetpro> good mornings
[06:54] <plustwo> inetpro: hi
[06:54] <superfly> morning
[07:00] <Kilos> morning superfly and others
[07:01] <plustwo> o/ Kilos
[07:02] <Kilos> hiya plustwo 
[07:06] <superfly> morning Kilos
[07:29] <Kilos> bbl
[08:01] <darksurferza> Greetings all 
[10:07] <Kilos> what does GNU mean please
[10:07] <Kilos> as in -GNU version of find
[10:13] <Kilos>  maaz doesnt do a good define on it
[10:13] <Maaz> Kilos: Got it
[10:13] <Kilos> oh my
[10:14] <Kilos> Maaz, forget doesnt do a good define on it
[10:14] <Maaz> Kilos: I didn't know about doesnt do a good define on it anyway
[10:27] <inetpro> Kilos: GNU is a Unix-like operating system that is free software—it respects your freedom.
[10:28] <inetpro> The GNU Project was launched in 1984 to develop the GNU system. The name “GNU” is a recursive acronym for “GNU's Not Unix!”.
[10:28] <Kilos> ty inetpro good morning to you
[10:29] <inetpro> Kilos: hiho
[10:30] <Kilos> got lotsa wgets to study and must be offline or browser wastes data
[10:30] <Kilos> im sure lpi is the wrong place to start with kinux
[10:30] <inetpro> Kilos: you should also see http://www.gnu.org/
[10:30] <inetpro> Kilos: why?
[10:31] <Kilos> i dunno when browser opens the html data runs too
[10:31] <inetpro> Kilos: I mean why is lpi the wrong place to start
[10:31] <Kilos> oh sorry
[10:32] <Kilos> i dont know how to follow what is all in a command yet
[10:33] <inetpro> Kilos: man
[10:33] <inetpro> man is your friend
[10:33] <Kilos> as in --find [-H] [-L] [-P] [-D debugopts] [-Olevel] [path...] [expression]
[10:33] <inetpro> man man
[10:33] <Kilos> man is too advanced for me to understand what they mean all the time
[10:34] <inetpro> Kilos: man is the first thing that you should understand
[10:34] <inetpro> and one of the most important aspects to understand in the *nix world
[10:34] <Kilos> i just wgot this hoping i can understand better
[10:34] <Kilos> http://tldp.org/LDP/gs/node5.html
[10:35] <inetpro> ahh... 
[10:35]  * inetpro loves the LDP
[10:35] <inetpro> am just not sure whether it's still updated as frequently as it once was
[10:37] <Kilos-> grrr vodacom
[10:37] <Kilos-> i use man all the time inetpro just need to learn how everything fits
[10:38] <Kilos-> half or more of man is greek to me
[10:38] <Kilos-> greek/geek
[10:38] <inetpro> Kilos: man man tries to explain it very nicely
[10:39]  * Kilos- looks man man again
[10:43] <Kilos> inetpro, dont forget its maybe like telling you to find the prob with an automatic gearbox or while a fuel injection system isnt working
[10:44] <inetpro> Kilos: with the difference, you have the complete manual in front of you
[10:44] <Kilos> lol ya but its in a different language
[10:45] <inetpro> learning the language is key
[10:46] <Kilos> thats why i be looking for basic study links 
[10:46] <Kilos> got this one too
[10:46] <Kilos> http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/poll-the-best-way-to-learn-linux.html
[10:47] <inetpro> yikes
[10:48] <Kilos> ?
[10:48] <inetpro> that is some freaky poll with no context
[10:49] <inetpro> Kilos: what is that find command you trying to figure out?
[10:50] <Kilos> i tried find looked for pidgin, found nothing
[10:50] <Kilos> Places search find lots
[10:51] <inetpro> Kilos: why you looking for pidgin?
[10:51] <Kilos> im trying to understand how to string a command together
[10:51] <Kilos> because i know its here
[10:51] <Kilos> lol, n o good looking for something i might not have
[10:52] <Kilos> working through lpi and trying the commands
[10:52] <inetpro> find searches the directory tree rooted at each given file name by evaluating the given expression from left to right, according to the rules of precedence, until the outcome is known (the left hand side is false for and operations, true for or), at which point find moves on to the next file name
[10:53] <Kilos> it cant find pidgin here. says no files found
[10:53] <inetpro> Kilos: ok let's take a basic example: find /home/kilos/ -name "MyDoc.txt"
[10:53] <Kilos> then i looked at this in man find
[10:54] <Kilos> find [-H] [-L] [-P] [-D debugopts] [-Olevel]
[10:55] <inetpro> Kilos: any or all arguments within [ ] are optional
[10:56] <Kilos> find /home/miles/ -name "MyDoc.txt"
[10:56] <Kilos>  shows nothing
[10:57] <Kilos> doesnt find look everywhere
[10:57] <inetpro> Kilos: obviously
[10:57] <inetpro> do you have a file named exactly "MyDoc.txt"
[10:57] <inetpro> ?
[10:57] <Kilos> if i can give the path to a file then i wouldnt need find
[10:57] <Kilos> no sorry
[10:58] <Kilos> i try that with pidgin
[10:58] <inetpro> remember that even "MyDoc.txt", "mydoc.txt", "Mydoc.txt" are all different file names
[10:58] <Kilos> yip
[10:58] <inetpro> you can always say "*MyDoc*.txt"
[10:59] <Kilos> yay it finds spanne pidgin
[10:59] <Kilos> so gotta tell find to look in /home/miles/ right
[10:59] <Kilos> ?
[11:00] <inetpro> Kilos: depends on where you want to start searchin
[11:01] <inetpro> Kilos: or you can specify -iname "*something*"
[11:02] <Kilos> see thats what i wanna learn. how to use all those extras
[11:02] <inetpro> Kilos: adn then go look at the hundreds of OPTIONS in the man page
[11:02] <inetpro> and*
[11:03] <Kilos> yeah man man is frightening for me
[11:03] <inetpro> Kilos: don't be like a user now
[11:04] <Kilos> its like wanting to go drive a car but cant open the door
[11:04] <inetpro> start reading at the top left and read from left to right and from top to bottom
[11:04] <Kilos> no man i want to learn how
[11:04] <Kilos> lol
[11:04] <Kilos> cheeky
[11:04] <inetpro> :-)
[11:05] <inetpro> man pages are almost like sheet music
[11:06] <Kilos> i cant read sheet music either
[11:06] <inetpro> The skill of sight reading is the ability of a musician to perform an unfamiliar work of music upon viewing the sheet music for the first time.
[11:06] <Kilos> right. thats my point
[11:07] <Kilos> i need to learn how to read and understand whats there
[11:07] <Kilos> no good having a manual if you cant understand it
[11:08] <inetpro> exactly my point
[11:08] <inetpro> that is why man man is the first step
[11:08] <Kilos> sigh
[11:09] <inetpro> man is your friend :-)
[11:09] <Kilos> its man man that i dont understand so good
[11:09] <Kilos> thats why i was looking for something more user like to teach me how to understand man
[11:10] <inetpro> Kilos: ok, let's do this
[11:10] <inetpro> take simple examples of commands you already know
[11:10] <inetpro> then go read the man page about each command
[11:10] <magespawn> howdy all
[11:10] <Kilos> i know apt-get aptitude rsync
[11:10] <inetpro> try to understand each option
[11:10] <Kilos> ok i look at rsync
[11:11] <inetpro> then go back to man man and see what else you still don't understand
[11:11] <Kilos> ok ty sir
[11:11] <inetpro> or rather try to understand some options
[11:12] <inetpro> it's never necessary to understand or remember all options
[11:12] <inetpro> you'll be old before you know them all
[11:13] <magespawn> and then they will probable change or get added to 
[11:13] <Kilos> lol. be?
[11:13] <magespawn> old is a point of view
[11:13] <Kilos> lol hi magespawn 
[11:14] <Kilos> when you guys started with linux where did you first start
[11:14] <magespawn> if you need i will google commands if the man page is not enough turn that into text and post it online somewhere
[11:15] <Kilos> you surely wouldnt have understood man in the beginning
[11:15] <magespawn> i started here and with google
[11:16] <Kilos> i just need to try learn/understand the basics magespawn 
[11:16] <Kilos> google kills my data
[11:16] <Kilos> and google never was my friend
[11:16] <magespawn> see above
[11:16] <Kilos> will do ty
[11:17] <magespawn> oh that and i tend to try almost everything at some point and have reinstalled ubuntu like a million times
[11:17] <inetpro> Kilos: you're not doing bad at all
[11:18] <inetpro> you just can't expect to learn it all in a day
[11:19] <Kilos> ty inetpro but we skipped the basics and i think i will need basic understanding for the lpi course
[11:19]  * inetpro been doing *nix for more than 15 years and still learning every day
[11:19] <Kilos> i kinda know what i need to keep me going here most of the time
[11:19] <magespawn> have just found this and the site is pretty light http://www.openbookproject.net/
[11:19] <inetpro> at one stage it was like one big black hole
[11:20] <Kilos> its to be able to understand lpi i need to dig deeper
[11:20] <inetpro> thought I'd never get over it and started going back to windows
[11:20] <inetpro> and then I had to help a customer running apache on solaris
[11:20] <Kilos> eish inetpro 
[11:21] <magespawn> nothing like the deep end
[11:21] <inetpro> sudeenly stuff came back and I had to do stuff never done before
[11:21] <inetpro> was like I entered a new world
[11:21] <magespawn> like spelling 
[11:21] <Kilos> lol
[11:22] <Kilos> yeah inetpro i have entered this world and without you guys woulda given up long ago
[11:23] <Kilos> magespawn, i go see that site and see what you call light
[11:23] <magespawn> almost no pictures loads pretty fast
[11:24] <Kilos> 40k to get there
[11:25] <magespawn> anybody know if there is a way to do something like ap-cacher-ng for windows?
[11:25] <inetpro> magespawn: haha
[11:26] <magespawn> i'll take that as a NO, then.
[11:27] <inetpro> magespawn: what are you trying to do?
[11:28] <magespawn> cache windows and antivirus updates to limit bandwith uasage
[11:28] <inetpro> magespawn: perhaps you are looking at some like this? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/System_Center_Configuration_Manager
[11:29] <inetpro> eish!
[11:29] <inetpro> don't talk about anti-virus updates
[11:29]  * inetpro hates the stuff
[11:29] <inetpro> so many inefficiencies
[11:30] <Kilos> inetpro, what intivirus you use on winsucks
[11:30] <Kilos> anti as well
[11:30] <magespawn> there is 4 or 5 computers all running windows and the same anitvirus. so I thought to use a proxy server with a cache program so that updates are only downloaded once
[11:30] <inetpro> Kilos: I don't do windows but I can not avoid it entirely, unfortunately
[11:31] <Kilos> avast is a good one and doesnt slow pc too much
[11:31] <Kilos> there is a free version
[11:31] <inetpro> magespawn: I guess this is the wrong channel to discuss anything windows related
[11:32]  * inetpro goes to get something to eat
[11:32] <Kilos> not really
[11:32] <inetpro> Maaz: coffee on
[11:32]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[11:32] <magespawn> mmm thats true was looking for a linux solution to the problem though
[11:33] <Kilos> to help an ubuntu user to fix a win pc for work purposes is part of the community help i feelmacoffee please
[11:33] <Kilos> eish
[11:33] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee please
[11:33] <Maaz> Kilos: Done
[11:36] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for inetpro and Kilos!
[11:36] <Kilos> Maaz, danke
[11:36] <Maaz> Bitteschön
[11:40] <magespawn> maaz do you do muffins?
[11:40] <Maaz> magespawn: I already know stuff about do you
[11:40] <Kilos> haha
[11:44] <magespawn> Maaz you should be a comedian
[11:44] <Maaz> magespawn: I already know stuff about you
[11:46] <magespawn> bbl 
[11:51] <Kilos> i go read my wgets
[11:51] <Kilos> bbl
[12:05] <confluency> magespawn: do you know *how* the updates are downloaded? If they're downloaded through HTPP you can just set up an HTTP proxy like Squid.
[12:06] <confluency> s/HTPP/HTTP/
[12:13] <magespawn> i think they are ftp but will check
[12:14] <magespawn> i see squid will also do ftp
[14:15] <Kilos> back again with more. how do i copy paste from a .htm i used wget for
[14:16] <Kilos> tried elinks and epiphany but cant copy
[14:16] <Kilos> here is the link i wanted
[14:17] <inetpro> Kilos: what do you want to copy?
[14:17] <Kilos> http://content.hccfl.edu/pollock/Unix/FindCmd.htm
[14:17] <Kilos> all the text inetpro 
[14:17] <Kilos> about find
[14:17] <inetpro> Kilos: why?
[14:17] <inetpro> just save that file
[14:17] <Kilos> so i have it in my linux folder
[14:18] <Kilos> then i need to open it each time with a browser and go offline
[14:18] <Kilos> i copy paste most into gedit files
[14:18] <Kilos> html's that is
[14:19] <Kilos> htm stubborn
[14:19] <Kilos> ctrl+c also doesnt work
[14:20] <inetpro> Kilos: what about lynx or elinks
[14:20] <Kilos> epiphany has a save as but that saves the same thing
[14:20] <inetpro> you can always use your text mode browser
[14:20] <Kilos> elinks also cant highlight the text
[14:21] <inetpro> nee man
[14:21] <inetpro> why do you even want to highlight?
[14:21] <Kilos> lol im telling you
[14:21] <Kilos> highlight copy then paste to a gedit file
[14:22] <inetpro> save the file as it is to your linux folder and when you want to read it just use elinks myLinuFolder/FindCmd.htm
[14:23] <inetpro> and if you really want to dump it to a text only version you can just do it with the dump command
[14:23] <Kilos> then it will want to go online to find it again?
[14:23] <kbmonkey> oh hello there geeks
[14:24] <Kilos> lo the monkey
[14:24] <kbmonkey> you wana save the html as text Kilos ?
[14:24] <inetpro> Kilos: elinks -dump -dump-width 125 FindCmd.htm > FindCmd.txt
[14:24] <Kilos> htm kbmonkey 
[14:24] <Kilos> ty inetpro 
[14:24] <inetpro> Kilos: be aware that it might not look as nice as when it's html
[14:25] <Kilos> i dont care about nice i just wanna read it
[14:25] <inetpro> oh and you can leave out '-dump-width 125'
[14:25] <inetpro> Kilos: well you can simply read it with elinks without dumping
[14:26] <inetpro> ELinks can handle both local files and remote URLs
[14:26] <kbmonkey> in your browser you file-save and choose 'text only' as the save format
[14:27] <Kilos> yeah but thats my prob. gotta open it online first to be able to get it
[14:27] <inetpro> kbmonkey: same result
[14:28] <Kilos> inetpro, im lost now again
[14:28] <inetpro> Kilos: hmm... hoe so?
[14:29] <Kilos> well all i can save is the link right?
[14:29] <inetpro> Kilos: wget http://content.hccfl.edu/pollock/Unix/FindCmd.htm && elinks -dump FindCmd.htm > FindCmd.txt
[14:29] <Kilos> so whether i use epiphany or elinks i need to be connected to read it
[14:29] <kbmonkey> because the htm has images and such to outside urls
[14:30] <inetpro> Kilos: ELinks can handle both local files and remote URLs
[14:30] <inetpro> Kilos: so you save a file to local and start reading it with elinks
[14:30] <Kilos> oh is that what that does
[14:30] <kbmonkey> yes, use ellinks to read it, that wont pull any external data in
[14:31] <Kilos> ty very much
[14:31] <inetpro> but Firefox has a lot more functionality
[14:31] <kbmonkey> thats a neat trick inetpro, 
[14:31] <Kilos> he isnt bad for a ballie hey?
[14:32] <inetpro> hehe
[14:32] <kbmonkey> ;P
[14:32] <kbmonkey> funny, I thought curl would have an option to output plain text
[14:32] <kbmonkey> I use elinks to view the python docs I saved as htm
[14:33] <inetpro> elinks is actually very nice for preparing a text email message with content from a web page
[14:34] <kbmonkey> finally I got mutt working. happy dance
[14:34]  * inetpro been there done that
[14:35]  * inetpro prefers a GUI for mail these days
[14:35] <kbmonkey> :)
[14:35] <kbmonkey> sync mail to local offline imap server
[14:36] <kbmonkey> what mua do you use inetpro?
[14:36] <inetpro> kbmonkey: thunderbird
[14:36] <magespawn> later all wife here to take me home
[14:36] <kbmonkey> cheers magespawn 
[14:36]  * kbmonkey likes thunderbird a lot
[14:36] <inetpro> bye magespawn
[14:38] <Kilos> inetpro, somethink wrong there
[14:38] <Kilos> says it cant find the /home part so doesnt try get it
[14:38] <Kilos> must i first go direct to the link with elinks then where?
[14:41] <inetpro> Kilos: please show the exact commands you used
[14:42] <Kilos>  wget http://content.hccfl.edu/pollock/Unix/FindCmd.htm && elinks -dump FindCmd.htm > FindCmd.txt
[14:43] <inetpro> Kilos: and the error?
[14:44] <Kilos> geez i cant even copy paste that here
[14:45] <kbmonkey> that runs perfect on my side :/
[14:45] <kbmonkey> perhaps a connection hiccup?
[14:45] <Kilos> unable to retrieve file ///home/miles/wget/ and all the rest
[14:45] <Kilos> it looks like its looking here not online
[14:46] <Kilos> did it twice
[14:46] <kbmonkey> that the *exact* same as what you run?
[14:46] <Kilos> vodacom always fulla hiccups
[14:46] <Kilos> npe i run the epollock one
[14:47] <Kilos>  wget http://content.hccfl.edu/pollock/Unix/FindCmd.htm && elinks -dump FindCmd.htm > FindCmd.txt
[14:47] <inetpro> Kilos: please paste the whole thing in a pastebin
[14:47] <Kilos> the error inetpro 
[14:48] <Kilos> ?
[14:48] <kbmonkey> yes the error
[14:48] <Kilos> cant copy paste that error message, doesnt highlight
[14:48] <kbmonkey> hold shift when you select
[14:48] <inetpro> Kilos: that doesn't make sense 
[14:49] <Kilos> http://slexy.org/view/s21jTHWgCw
[14:49] <Kilos> shift helped
[14:50] <kbmonkey> see, this ballie knows ;)
[14:50] <inetpro> eish
[14:50] <Kilos> i cant copy paste from epiphany to here either need to copy paste to gedit file then copy oaste from there
[14:51] <inetpro> Kilos: that whole command should all be on a single line
[14:51] <Kilos> it was inetpro 
[14:51] <Kilos> thats the error you see
[14:51] <kbmonkey> there should not be file://...
[14:51] <inetpro> Kilos: what terminal are you using?
[14:51] <kbmonkey> also, you're missing a slash in http://
[14:51] <inetpro> and why is it centered like that?
[14:51] <Kilos> bourne i think
[14:52] <inetpro> kbmonkey: ahh, you found it
[14:52] <inetpro> Kilos: the terminal is not the shell
[14:52] <Kilos> oh my
[14:53]  * inetpro is guessing that you are using the standard gnome-terminal which should just allow you to highlight, right-click and choose copy
[14:53] <Kilos> then i dunno what you are asking me about the terminal
[14:54] <Kilos> ya like that
[14:54] <inetpro> then in your irc app you should be able to just press Ctrl+V or right-click and click paste
[14:55] <Kilos> ctrl+c to copy
[14:55] <inetpro> Kilos: you can not use CTRL+C in the terminal
[14:55] <Kilos> ctrl+v doesnt work on the browsers
[14:55] <inetpro> it is meant for cancelling stuff
[14:55] <Kilos> from here i mean
[14:56] <Kilos> in here i have to ctrl+c to copy
[14:57] <kbmonkey> in a term, you usually use ctrl-shift-c/v to copy and paste
[14:57] <Kilos> no in here
[14:57] <Kilos> oh i see what you are saying
[14:59] <inetpro> in konsole on Kubuntu I can simply highlight with the mouse to copy and middle-click to paste
[14:59] <Kilos> dunno where the single / comes from, its not in my 
[14:59] <kbmonkey> typos are the gremlins plaything ;)
[15:00] <Kilos>  wget http://content.hccfl.edu/pollock/Unix/FindCmd.htm && elinks -dump FindCmd.htm > FindCmd.txt
[15:00] <kbmonkey> does it work?
[15:00] <Kilos> it only shows in the error
[15:01] <kbmonkey> I ran your line, it works fine.
[15:01] <inetpro> Kilos: clearly you are doing something wrong when pasting the command
[15:02] <kbmonkey> vodacom?
[15:02] <Kilos> ya
[15:02] <kbmonkey> have you tried the second link?
[15:02] <inetpro> I thing you missed the wg
[15:02] <inetpro> your command started with et
[15:03] <Kilos> huh
[15:03] <inetpro> Unable to retrieve file:///home/miles/et 
[15:03] <Kilos> ok i look again
[15:03] <inetpro> it can not find et in your /home/miles folder
[15:03] <Kilos> et went home
[15:04] <Kilos> wget http://content.hccfl.edu/pollock/Unix/FindCmd.htm && elinks -dump FindCmd.htm > FindCmd.txt
[15:04] <Kilos> that is what i copied here
[15:04] <inetpro> and?
[15:04] <Kilos> and pasted in elinks
[15:04] <Kilos> then i get that error message
[15:04] <kbmonkey> no Kilos, don't paste that in elinks :/
[15:04] <kbmonkey> paste it in gnome-terminal
[15:05] <Kilos> oh
[15:05] <Kilos> oh
[15:05] <Kilos> oh
[15:05] <kbmonkey> it is a command you have to run :)
[15:05] <Kilos> goodness gracious me
[15:05] <kbmonkey> wow you had us really confused there!
[15:05] <Kilos> i should know that
[15:06] <inetpro> eish!... now I also get why it is centered 
[15:06] <Kilos> i wget all i can, dunno where i lost the link in the noggin to terminal
[15:06] <Kilos> sorry
[15:07] <Kilos> yip it works kiff, ty inetpro kbmonkey 
[15:07] <kbmonkey> he he
[15:07] <kbmonkey> hang on, ill wrap it in a alias for you...
[15:07] <Kilos> my head?
[15:07] <inetpro> Kilos: just note that when you execute the wget to the same URL it will create multiple files
[15:08] <inetpro> so specifying -O for output is sometimes better
[15:08] <Kilos> i wont go there again as i have it now
[15:08] <kbmonkey> well its a neat command I wana alias myself
[15:08] <Kilos> what does -O do
[15:08] <inetpro> in other words wget -O Find.htm http://content.hccfl.edu/pollock/Unix/FindCmd.htm
[15:09] <inetpro> or rather wget -O FindCmd.htm http://content.hccfl.edu/pollock/Unix/FindCmd.htm
[15:10] <inetpro> Kilos: see the man page and look at -O/--output-document=file
[15:10] <inetpro> man wget
[15:10] <Kilos> ok ty\
[15:11] <inetpro> Kilos: oh and you don't have to run the wget and the elinks all in one line 
[15:12] <Kilos> oh
[15:12] <inetpro> but the && is there so that elinks will only run if wget was succesfull 
[15:13] <Kilos> so if i go to that file in home and double click it it will open with elinks and not go online?
[15:13] <inetpro> but you can simply leave the && and start a next line with just 'elinks -dump FindCmd.htm > FindCmd.txt'
[15:14] <inetpro> after having run 'wget -O FindCmd.htm http://content.hccfl.edu/pollock/Unix/FindCmd.htm'
[15:15] <inetpro> oh and don't expect any output from elinks because you've redirected it to a file
[15:15] <Kilos> that command went online again
[15:15]  * Kilos cries
[15:16] <inetpro> Kilos: it's just 24K
[15:16] <Kilos> yeah but thats twice its done that
[15:16] <Kilos> sigh
[15:16] <kbmonkey> whats the struggle?
[15:17] <inetpro> Kilos: what bundle do you use?
[15:18] <Kilos> excuse me?
[15:18] <inetpro> Kilos: which 8ta / Voda bundle did you purchase?
[15:18] <Kilos> oh sorry voda. head still locked on wget
[15:18] <inetpro> Kilos: which bundle size?
[15:19] <Kilos> the 250m one
[15:19] <inetpro> MyMeg 250 Standard?
[15:19] <inetpro> R99.00
[15:19] <Kilos> thats it
[15:19] <kbmonkey> oh my word, aliases do not accept parameters!
[15:20] <Kilos> was from your kind donation a while back member
[15:20] <kbmonkey> sure you can append to an alias inline, but not use $1
[15:20] <inetpro> kbmonkey: he just wasted 1c
[15:20] <Kilos> double clicking that file works kiff
[15:20] <kbmonkey> lekker
[15:20] <Kilos> ha ha ha
[15:21] <Kilos> they add up inetpro 
[15:21] <inetpro> Kilos: 24K = 0.96c
[15:21] <inetpro> :-)
[15:21] <Kilos> oh
[15:22] <kbmonkey> lol
[15:22] <kbmonkey> ah visitors, i'll have to run for a while
[15:22] <Kilos> save a penny buy a farm
[15:22] <Kilos> toods kbmonkey 
[15:22] <Kilos> ty
[15:22] <kbmonkey> i made a file tget (text-get) that does all that for us
[15:22] <kbmonkey> http://omploader.org/vY3cyNg
[15:23] <kbmonkey> save that in your path, make it executable, and just tget a url to text :)
[15:23] <Kilos> greta
[15:23] <Kilos> great too
[15:23] <inetpro> Maaz: 99/250000*24
[15:23] <Maaz> inetpro: 0.009504
[15:23] <kbmonkey> oh here it comes...
[15:24] <inetpro> eish!
[15:24] <kbmonkey> cioa inetpro. laters
[15:24] <inetpro> bye
[15:24] <kbmonkey> Kilos: laters maat
[15:24] <Kilos>  Disconnected (Remote host closed socket
[15:25] <Kilos> how come i could come back so quick without getting a tail
[15:27] <Kilos> dankie inetpro sien jou miskien vanaand. baie om deur te werk nou
[15:27] <Kilos> ry veilig tuis
[15:27] <inetpro> Kilos: np
[15:27] <inetpro> thanks
[15:30] <Kilos> ha ha alf on the lists is also old and slow
[15:33] <Kilos> hiya nlsthzn 
[15:33] <nlsthzn> Hey uncle Kerbero 
[15:35] <Kilos> lol
[15:36] <Kerbero> dag
[15:36] <Kerbero> lol
[15:36] <Kerbero> ek is niemand se oom nie btw
[15:37] <Kilos> lol hi Kerbero 
[15:37] <Kilos> sy tab  werk nie mooi nie
[15:37] <Kerbero> hi oom kilos
[15:37] <Kilos> of sy oeie
[15:37] <Kerbero> ja dit het al baie gebeur
[15:43] <Kilos> later guys
[15:53] <inetpro> Maaz: tell kbmonkey Just use a function in place of an alias like this: url2txt () { fname="`basename "$1" .htm`.txt"; wget -O - "$1" | elinks -dump -stdin > ./${fname} && echo "Saved $1 to ./${fname} ..."; }
[15:53] <Maaz> inetpro: Righto, I'll tell kbmonkey on freenode
[17:38] <Kilos> evening superfly and other busy geeks
[17:38] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[17:38]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[17:38] <superfly> evening Kilos
[17:38] <superfly> Maaz: coffee please
[17:38] <Maaz> superfly: Sure
[17:42] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos and superfly!
[17:42] <Kilos> Maaz, thanks man
[17:42] <Maaz> Kilos It gives me great pleasure to serve a bunch of geeks :-)
[17:50] <inetpro> Goedenavond 
[17:50] <Kilos> lo inetpro 
[17:50] <inetpro> eh Kilos
[17:51] <inetpro> Kilos: BTW, that script from kbmonkey can be improved upon even further
[17:52] <inetpro> url2txt () { fname="`basename "$1" .htm`.txt"; wget -O - "$1" | elinks -dump -stdin > ./${fname} && echo "Saved $1 to ./${fname} ..."; }
[17:52] <Kilos> sjoe
[17:54] <inetpro> Kilos: excute that and then just save a HTML url to txt as follows 
[17:54] <inetpro> url2txt http://omploader.org/vY3cyNg
[17:54] <Kilos> in the terminal hey? not elinks
[17:55] <Kilos> hehe
[17:56] <Symmetria> heh powered down everything cause of stupid size thunderstorm outside, god its getting vicious
[17:56] <Symmetria> just my notebook and my wireless ap and my dsl modem still powered up now
[17:56] <inetpro> Symmetria: where?
[17:56] <Symmetria> east london
[17:56] <inetpro> Kilos: yes, in the terminal
[17:56] <Kilos> lol
[17:56] <Symmetria> heh, it was 35C here today and high humidity, was expecting a nasty storm
[17:57] <inetpro> Symmetria: tell the guys at https://twitter.com/#!/SAWDOS1
[17:58] <inetpro> but I see they know about it since an hour ago
[17:58] <inetpro> TSO - Fairly intense thunderstorms currently active between Port Elizabeth and East London. 
[18:01] <inetpro> Kilos: one thing you need to be careful about, regarding our elinks dump command is that if you already have a file with a similar name it will overwrite
[18:02] <Kilos> similar in what sence inetpro 
[18:02] <Kilos> similar or same
[18:02] <inetpro> the redirection > character is not very forgiving
[18:02] <Kilos> sense
[18:02] <inetpro> Kilos: same
[18:03] <inetpro> it will overwrite with no warning
[18:03] <Kilos> ok so if anything is different it wont overwrite hey
[18:03] <inetpro> yep
[18:03] <Kilos> yay
[18:04] <Symmetria> lol
[18:04] <inetpro> Symmetria: lol?
[18:04] <Symmetria> powered off all my stuff and next minute my folks who live in the main house are like THE DSTV DIED! Im like, yeah, I just powered off the primary xtraview decoder :P
[18:04] <Symmetria> my mom is like BUT ISIDINGO HASNT FINISHED! 
[18:04] <Kilos> im not sure what you mean with that last bit - url2txt http://omploader.org/vY3cyNg
[18:04] <Symmetria> lol
[18:05] <Kilos> lol
[18:08] <inetpro> Kilos: url2txt http://content.hccfl.edu/pollock/Unix/FindCmd.htm
[18:08] <Kilos> inetpro, i have downloaded that  link of apies and run your command
[18:08] <Kilos> get messages like this
[18:08] <Kilos> Resolving omploader.org... Warning: Deprecated option -stdin used!
[18:08] <inetpro> Kilos: ahh... just ignore that
[18:08] <Kilos> In the future versions ELinks will report error when you will
[18:08] <Kilos> continue to use this option.
[18:08] <Kilos> oh ok
[18:09] <inetpro> I don't know why they are taking that out
[18:09] <Kilos> so i dont use wget for html's anymore but this tool. is that right
[18:10] <inetpro> I guess it's not necessary to put -stdin
[18:11] <inetpro> Kilos: it's just a little shortcut to do everything in one
[18:11] <Kilos> without wget?
[18:12] <Kilos> now i just use url2txt link
[18:12] <Kilos> correct
[18:14] <inetpro> Kilos: I guess it's better if you just separate the jobs and do it yourself
[18:15] <inetpro> in fact I still don't see the need for saving the text file
[18:15] <Kilos> so i can reread them. i forget membe
[18:15] <Kilos> r
[18:15] <Kilos> the texts i save are how to do stuff
[18:16] <inetpro> Kilos: the .htm file is just a text file anyway
[18:16] <inetpro> you can save that anywhere you want
[18:16] <inetpro> then just read it with elinks
[18:17] <Kilos> thats what im gonna do now. much easier than copy/pasting to gedit files everytime
[18:17] <Kilos> ty for all the hard work and thank the monkey if i miss him please
[18:18] <inetpro> step 1: wget http://SOME.URL/whatever.html
[18:18] <inetpro> step2: elinks whatever,html
[18:19] <inetpro> Kilos: what hard work?
[18:20] <Kilos> well some of the links i cant/couldnt copy
[18:20] <Kilos> now methinks shift highlight will work
[18:21] <Kilos> but wget is much fasterthan going to a link first
[18:21] <Kilos> and more frugal
[18:21] <Kilos> hehe nice word that
[18:21] <Kilos> hope its right
[19:08] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[19:16] <Symmetria> hrm
[19:17]  * Symmetria ponders publishing an article on myadsl that will piss off all the networking contractors in the country
[19:20] <inetpro> Symmetria: what are you up to?
[19:21] <Symmetria> heh inetpro just been looking at the way isps on this continent are using technical contract companies to do technical crap
[19:21] <Symmetria> and its really scary
[19:22] <Symmetria> because no one is actually enforcing proper policies and procedures on these guys
[19:22] <Symmetria> so within a month or 2, the contracting company has no idea how their own network is running anymore
[19:22] <inetpro> Symmetria: that is very true
[19:22] <Symmetria> Ive seen companies do truely bizarre things, like, outsource their network authentication system, the system that actually allows people access to the network to configure anything
[19:23] <inetpro> very scary indeed
[19:23] <Symmetria> so you've given the contractor the ability to control who can and cant work on your network
[19:23] <Symmetria> thats bizarre 
[19:23] <inetpro> how do you fix it?
[19:24] <Symmetria> inetpro proper policies and procedures, proper change control, proper change advisory boards 
[19:24] <Symmetria> and people who are in house actually reviewing what these contractors are doing and reviewing the changes they are making
[19:25] <inetpro> hmm... 
[19:25] <inetpro> not sure it's that simple
[19:25] <Symmetria> heh, its that simple if the documents are correctly written, writing them correctly though is tricky
[19:25] <inetpro> exactly
[19:26] <Symmetria> if I look at documents Ive written for other clients, particularly around the change control stuff
[19:26] <Symmetria> there is a standard list of changes that contractors are authorised to perform, but when they actually use that list, they have to inform people as to what they did and why
[19:26] <Symmetria> if it aint on that list, it has to go through an advisory board 
[19:27] <Symmetria> the advisory board demands a series of documentation before it will look at something
[19:27] <Symmetria> the advisory board purely advises though, they act as an advisory mechanism to the change control manager 
[19:27] <inetpro> it's much easier to take the shortcuts and just do it :-)
[19:28] <Symmetria> IF the advisory board though realizes that the change could have strategic/political/financial complications though it goes to an authorization board and the change manager doesnt have the right to decide 
[19:28] <Symmetria> inetpro heh, yeah, I sorted that out as well
[19:28] <Symmetria> anyone violating that process = contract breach, HEAVY penalties on the contractor company 
[19:29] <Symmetria> get caught violating that process and first time, its a financial penalty, second time, its a bigger financial penalty, third time its contract termination
[19:29] <Symmetria> *shrug* harsh, but effective 
[19:30] <inetpro> Symmetria: I'm afraid that it's not necessarily the contractors who are at fault
[19:30] <Symmetria> heh there are some nifty things you can put in there, like, if you make an unauthorised change that results in us violating the SLA to any client, YOU are responsible for covering the cost of SLA penalties to every client affected
[19:30] <Symmetria> inetpro heh, not always, but from what I'm seeing, its very very common at the moment
[19:31] <inetpro> because they get away with it
[19:31] <Symmetria> the contractors have realized there is a skills shortage, they have the contracts, and as a result, they think they can get away with anything and create job security by never letting anyone know what they are doing
[19:31] <Symmetria> inetpro yeah, they get away with it because of lack of proper policy and procedure
[19:32] <Symmetria> inetpro Im not saying all contractors are bad, or to stop using them
[19:32] <Symmetria> Im saying tighten the controls around them
[19:32] <inetpro> well it's not the job of contractors to set and regulate the policies and procedures
[19:32] <Symmetria> :) correct, thats the responsibility of the parent companies 
[19:33] <Symmetria> though it could be argued there is also a responsibility on the contractor to keep the contracting party informed of exactly what you are doing
[19:35] <inetpro> lots of opportunities for work
[19:36] <Symmetria> yeah :) lol, I will admit, I have a bias towards saying these things
[19:36] <Symmetria> because I write a lot of those policies and procedures for companies :P
[19:36] <inetpro> Symmetria: how long are you in the country for?
[19:37] <Symmetria> inetpro *shrug* no idea at this point, I come and go, Im in cambridge week after next for a week for example
[19:37] <Symmetria> at this point in my life I dont really wanna be tied to any one place, and the work I do can be done from anywhere 
[19:38] <inetpro> hmm... 
[19:38]  * inetpro thought Symmetria went to go an retire somewhere in Africa
[19:39] <Symmetria> heh I was up there for a while, now Im back here, *shrug* move as I feel like, and based on a raft of situations etc
[19:39] <Symmetria> like I say, my clients are distributed all over the place 
[19:39] <Symmetria> and I work mainly remotely
[19:39] <inetpro> and the woman in your life?
[19:39] <Symmetria> so *shrug* whatever fits the mood 
[19:40] <Symmetria> heh no woman in my life presently
[19:40] <inetpro> eish
[19:40] <inetpro> sorry to hear that
[19:41] <Symmetria> lol Im not, Im free to shag whoever I want this way :P
[19:42] <Symmetria> lol
[20:23] <inetpro> Symmetria: BTW, why would anybody be upset if you write about the topic?