| rbelem | ScottK, awesome \o/ | 02:47 |
|---|---|---|
| * rbelem goes to update kubuntu-active-default-settings | 02:48 | |
| apachelogger | yofel: about the locale stuff... I wrote a patch for startkde some time ago that tries to extrapolate a sensible KDE default locale setting from the actual language setting | 05:00 |
| apachelogger | de_DE would be germany, de_AT would be austria and so on | 05:01 |
| apachelogger | rbelem: I was wondering where it is, not whether it is production ready :P | 05:04 |
| apachelogger | anyone around still? | 05:05 |
| ScottK | apachelogger: We got our first kubuntu-active image today. | 05:11 |
| ScottK | (just i386 until we get the machinery working, but a start) | 05:11 |
| apachelogger | so I have seen, good stuff | 05:12 |
| * apachelogger is going to roll it onto the intel thing when he finds the time | 05:12 | |
| apachelogger | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess | 05:13 |
| apachelogger | that page is massive | 05:14 |
| apachelogger | and yet fails to address my case | 05:14 |
| apachelogger | <3 | 05:14 |
| apachelogger | again no jon the tacko :( | 05:15 |
| * apachelogger reports bug | 05:15 | |
| * apachelogger wonders how to update the cache from inside muon software center | 05:17 | |
| apachelogger | dantti: http://wstaw.org/m/2012/02/29/plasma-desktopLB2858.png | 05:24 |
| apachelogger | I think I broke something | 05:24 |
| dantti | apachelogger: :P | 05:25 |
| dantti | apachelogger: hmm did you changed the code? | 05:25 |
| apachelogger | nope | 05:25 |
| apachelogger | just installed my pkg | 05:25 |
| ScottK | apachelogger: What's your case? | 05:26 |
| apachelogger | it works with auto-setup stuff from cups, so I do have drivers installed | 05:26 |
| apachelogger | ScottK: me wanting to change plymouth theme | 05:26 |
| apachelogger | and ksplash | 05:26 |
| ScottK | Easy enough. UIFe | 05:26 |
| apachelogger | so my course of action will be: file bug annoy people and go | 05:26 |
| apachelogger | perhaps I should try the nokia approach to make it processed super fast... assign as many flipping managers as possible ^^ | 05:27 |
| apachelogger | dantti: only commit I do not have in that pkg should be 'Workaround problem with plasmoid.status for hidding the tray icon' | 05:28 |
| apachelogger | unless I just installed the wrong snapshot | 05:28 |
| apachelogger | nope, right snapshot | 05:28 |
| * apachelogger should totally report about this on the ml | 05:28 | |
| dantti | apachelogger: ok, I'll check the code again... | 05:28 |
| apachelogger | makes snapshot packages much easier to handle | 05:29 |
| dantti | apachelogger: ok it's broken I think I forgot to connect some signals :P | 05:29 |
| dantti | thanks for the heads up ;) | 05:30 |
| apachelogger | didn't some software at some point mean to detect signal issues at buildtime | 05:30 |
| apachelogger | qtcreator probably | 05:30 |
| apachelogger | oh, I can't even freeze except yet as I am still waiting for info from nixternal | 05:34 |
| apachelogger | meh | 05:34 |
| apachelogger | ScottK: or do you think it will be granted without the actual production code? | 05:35 |
| ScottK | Possibly | 05:35 |
| * apachelogger is not quite sure what the 4 bit per pixel stuff is supposed to achieve other than making the splash broken | 05:35 | |
| ScottK | Depends on how likely I think the change it to annoy Riddell. | 05:35 |
| apachelogger | he acked it already 2 weeks ago | 05:36 |
| ScottK | Oh, then the paperwork is just a formality. He can approve it. | 05:36 |
| apachelogger | nice | 05:37 |
| apachelogger | now if only nixternal would answer my aseigo-style mails :P | 05:37 |
| apachelogger | incidentially enough we still need to decide what background image to use | 05:37 |
| apachelogger | ScottK: what is your opinion this: http://websvn.kde.org/*checkout*/trunk/KDE/kde-base-artwork/ksplashx-themes/default/800x600/background.png or proper ariya or find out why upstream used that gradient thing? | 05:38 |
| ScottK | I think I spend more time looking at Konsole than any other KDE thing and I'm not well qualified to have an opinion on such stuff. | 05:39 |
| * apachelogger notes that he finds the gradient for a splash much nicer, but it screws with a streamlined login experience as it would be gradient in plymouth -> ariya in kdm -> gradient in ksplash -> ariya in plasma | 05:39 | |
| apachelogger | ScottK: that does not help :P | 05:39 |
| apachelogger | http://aplg.kollide.net/screencasts/bootriya.ogv | 05:40 |
| apachelogger | that is ariya only | 05:40 |
| apachelogger | http://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/tmp/20120110_002.mp4 that other thing | 05:41 |
| apachelogger | ohm | 05:44 |
| apachelogger | dantti: http://wstaw.org/m/2012/02/29/plasma-desktopXk2858.png | 05:44 |
| apachelogger | dantti: I think you broke my cups :P | 05:44 |
| ScottK | apachelogger: I like the traditional startup thingy with that pretends like it's showning you progress of system startup. | 05:45 |
| dantti | apachelogger: :P seems like cupsd is not running .. | 05:45 |
| apachelogger | what our theme needs is a cirucular busy indicator | 05:45 |
| dantti | weird never saw that... | 05:45 |
| apachelogger | that dot thing is utter crap IMHO | 05:46 |
| apachelogger | it moves like a progresss bar | 05:46 |
| apachelogger | except it is not | 05:46 |
| apachelogger | I have had people ask me whether something is wrong with that thing highlighting dots in rounds + slow startup | 05:46 |
| apachelogger | (actually if something is broken that is how plymouth will behave in quite a few cases ;)) | 05:47 |
| apachelogger | e.g. kdm not starting IIRC | 05:47 |
| apachelogger | dantti: can't reproduce it though | 05:47 |
| apachelogger | dantti: also what it says there is not useful :P | 05:47 |
| dantti | apachelogger: it's the cups response.. | 05:48 |
| apachelogger | that is still not useful :P | 05:48 |
| apachelogger | really can't reproduce it, that is jolly odd | 05:49 |
| * apachelogger loves how sexxi the kcm is | 05:50 | |
| dantti | apachelogger: thanks, hopefully I'll be able to put the same love on others kcms... | 05:51 |
| dantti | SS is really needing love... :P | 05:51 |
| apachelogger | needed all over the place | 05:51 |
| dantti | heheh | 05:52 |
| apachelogger | the system pref button is oddly placed though | 05:52 |
| apachelogger | visually it appears to belong to the printer really | 05:53 |
| dantti | yes, I haven't find a good place for it... | 05:53 |
| * apachelogger wonders what to do about l10n | 05:54 | |
| dantti | maybe I should add a configure buttom bellow "Open queue", and let the current Configure became configure Server... | 05:54 |
| apachelogger | not server please | 05:54 |
| apachelogger | people need not know that printing is down by a server/daemon ;) | 05:55 |
| dantti | apachelogger: btw did you saw I changed the supply levels stuff? | 05:55 |
| dantti | apachelogger: forgot to post on my blog... http://simplest-image-hosting.net/png-0-plasma-desktopo19879 | 05:56 |
| apachelogger | no, cause I cannot add my printer :P | 05:56 |
| * apachelogger uses the power of plug'n'print | 05:56 | |
| apachelogger | bug 377220 made me smile today ^^ | 05:58 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 377220 in libreoffice (Ubuntu) "Brown splash in Kubuntu" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/377220 | 05:58 |
| dantti | apachelogger: ok found the bug :P | 05:58 |
| apachelogger | classic let's close and hope no one notices move | 05:58 |
| * apachelogger knows cuz he pulled it plenty of times too :P | 05:58 | |
| dantti | hehe.. | 06:00 |
| dantti | it was introduced with the mass rework of the internals | 06:01 |
| dantti | apachelogger: ok fix pushed, | 06:03 |
| dantti | it's 3am now, (I was watching a movie...) so gnight... | 06:04 |
| apachelogger | nini dantti, thanks for the fix :) | 06:05 |
| dantti | yw | 06:05 |
| * dantti is off to bed | 06:06 | |
| * apachelogger picks his nose while waiting for lunchpad | 06:09 | |
| apachelogger | http://wstaw.org/m/2012/02/29/plasma-desktopkV2858.png | 06:14 |
| apachelogger | win | 06:14 |
| apachelogger | I am building but actually I finished an estimated 12 seconds ago | 06:15 |
| apachelogger | dantti: packages on the way to kubuntu experimental, let's see how that works out | 06:16 |
| === Stecchino_ is now known as Stecchino | ||
| === josh__wines is now known as joshwines | ||
| Riddell | testers testers keep testing! | 10:35 |
| * Riddell doing upgrade tests today | 10:35 | |
| === Riddell changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu: Friendly Computing | Beta 1 testing help neede | Precise: Feature Freeze, time to squish beasties | Iso testing http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/208/builds | http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-precise/group/topic-precise-flavor-kubuntu.html TODOs! | Kubuntu is alive and weller than before!! Read:http://wp.me/pQ8xr-gr | Jussi's new baby's name is Elodi! :) | ||
| Riddell | agateau: are you able to tell the kde-telepathy people what needs to be done to add message indicator support? | 11:33 |
| agateau | Riddell: probably, need to have a look | 11:33 |
| agateau | Riddell: but iirc it already appears in the message indicator, just with the wrong name | 11:33 |
| Riddell | err really? | 11:34 |
| agateau | ah no | 11:34 |
| agateau | I thought the empathy icon was kde-telepathy, but it really is empathy :/ | 11:34 |
| Riddell | I mean just pointing them at the libraries and plasma applet source so they can work with it (and telling them it would help keep it in kubuntu for 12.04) | 11:35 |
| agateau | ca ndo | 11:43 |
| agateau | *can do | 11:44 |
| * agateau off to get food | 11:44 | |
| Peace- | do you know how to load kde open dialo with gtk apps? | 12:18 |
| === yofel changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu: Friendly Computing | Beta 1 testing help needed | Precise: Feature Freeze, time to squish beasties | Iso testing http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/208/builds | http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-precise/group/topic-precise-flavor-kubuntu.html TODOs! | Kubuntu is alive and weller than before!! Read:http://wp.me/pQ8xr-gr | Jussi's new baby's name is Elodi! :) | ||
| Riddell | yofel: topicdiff? | 13:03 |
| yofel | typo: neede -> needed | 13:04 |
| ghostcube | hello folks :) | 13:41 |
| ghostcube | will 12.04 be lts ? | 13:42 |
| Riddell | yes | 13:42 |
| ghostcube | ok thx for the info :) | 13:42 |
| BluesKaj | Hi all | 13:50 |
| === yofel_ is now known as yofel | ||
| Mamarok | Why is Aknadi not in the systemsettings anymore? It's a bit complicated to configure it through the tray, and not easy to discover | 14:29 |
| Mamarok | is this a KDE problem or specific to Kubuntu? | 14:30 |
| Mamarok | nvm, found it, but that is really a discoverability problem | 14:31 |
| Riddell | akonadi isn't really something users should be aware of, so it's probably a change by upstream | 14:32 |
| BluesKaj | Riddell, wish there was an option to exclude it during the install process | 14:35 |
| Riddell | it's a fundemental part of KDE | 14:36 |
| BluesKaj | Riddell, perhaps a "home user" edition could be developed with optional kde fundamentals :) | 14:41 |
| apachelogger | anyone understands the last comment of bug 377220 | 14:46 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 377220 in libreoffice (Ubuntu) "Brown splash in Kubuntu" [Low,Won't fix] https://launchpad.net/bugs/377220 | 14:46 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: he's pointing out that splashscreens need to be trivial | 14:47 |
| Riddell | if anything complex is in a splashscreen then it takes as long to load the splash screen as it does the app | 14:47 |
| Riddell | which is what happened in KDE 3 with ksplash | 14:48 |
| apachelogger | right | 14:49 |
| apachelogger | now read comment 2 and 3 and 5 | 14:49 |
| Riddell | yes alternatives could work | 14:50 |
| Riddell | so maybe he didn't read that idea | 14:50 |
| apachelogger | so I do not get how his comment asks my question | 14:50 |
| Riddell | of course my preferred solution would be to wait for calligra then switch to calligra | 14:50 |
| apachelogger | that is the proper solution | 14:50 |
| apachelogger | however in the meantime we need a workaround ;) | 14:51 |
| Tm_T | Mamarok: the reason why akonadi configuration is hidden is because it isn't meant to need any configuration | 14:51 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: best to make patches for the packaging and reopen the bug | 14:51 |
| apachelogger | that is the plan, then write angry mails about kubuntu bugs not being taken serious enough | 14:52 |
| * apachelogger really needs to go do groceries though | 14:52 | |
| Peace- | Tm_T: i hate akonadi i would like remove it | 14:52 |
| Tm_T | Peace-: then do remove | 14:53 |
| Tm_T | I have no need to hate it at this point (: | 14:53 |
| BluesKaj | Peace-, don't unless you want the kubuntu-desktop to be removed as well | 14:53 |
| Peace- | nepo and akonadi the most hated apps on kubuntu xD | 14:53 |
| Peace- | BluesKaj: kubuntu-desktop it's metapackage so i guess there is no problem | 14:54 |
| apachelogger | there is | 14:54 |
| apachelogger | its presence is a requirement for a kubuntu upgrade | 14:54 |
| Peace- | Tm_T: :) removing akonadi mmmm remove kde :D | 14:55 |
| apachelogger | (e.g. you might not get a new print managing system, or ppa upgrades might fail) | 14:55 |
| Peace- | he following packages will be REMOVED: | 14:55 |
| Peace- | akonadi-server akregator apport-kde apturl-kde blogilo braindump calligra calligra-dev calligra-libs calligra-map-shape calligraflow calligramobile calligraplan calligrastage bal balbal | 14:55 |
| Tm_T | Peace-: I am aware, now you're aware too how important it is (; | 14:56 |
| Peace- | but i hate it xD | 14:56 |
| * Peace- call me War | 14:56 | |
| apachelogger | surely there is a dep wron | 14:57 |
| apachelogger | g | 14:57 |
| Peace- | ? | 14:57 |
| apachelogger | well | 14:59 |
| apachelogger | what package did you remove? | 14:59 |
| BluesKaj | Peace-, yes I my mistake I should have said most of kde | 14:59 |
| BluesKaj | Tm_T, that's the problem , akonadi and nepomuk aren't important to home users and they're a drag on the resources of older pcs | 15:06 |
| apachelogger | mail is not important to home users?! | 15:07 |
| BluesKaj | apachelogger, not kmail, as it stands there's thunderbird , gmail etc | 15:10 |
| BluesKaj | kmail doesn't work with my ISP email | 15:11 |
| debfx | BluesKaj: at least in precise akonadi isn't started if you don't use it | 15:11 |
| BluesKaj | debfx, I had to disable akonadi after trying to set up kmail which failed due akonadi's inability to connect tom my ISP's email server | 15:13 |
| debfx | BluesKaj: what I'm saying is that there is no need to remove akonadi. you can avoid it by not starting any kde pim application. | 15:17 |
| BluesKaj | debfx, agreed , but I'm expanibg why kmail and akondi aren't necesary for home users ...kmail used to be a decent email program til the decision to tie it to akonadi and a databse requirement in kde4 .. I miss the old kamil from kde3 | 15:19 |
| BluesKaj | kmail from kde3 | 15:20 |
| Peace- | apachelogger: akonadi-server | 15:31 |
| Peace- | i use gmail | 15:31 |
| Peace- | browser :) | 15:31 |
| === Stecchino_ is now known as Stecchino | ||
| === rdieter_work is now known as rdieter | ||
| sheytan | agateu: is there any repo for 11.04 with the newest lightdm-kde? | 18:01 |
| Riddell | kubuntu active works but loads plasma-desktop :) | 18:02 |
| KRF | Riddell: yo. this commit should make your CMake hacks in downstream redundant: http://quickgit.kde.org/index.php?p=amarok.git&a=commit&h=7b72c3bdc7964aa32be8c94e4d18304be8b3b0c8 | 18:02 |
| Riddell | rbelem: have you got anywhere with a startup script? | 18:02 |
| Riddell | KRF: oh nice, thanks | 18:03 |
| KRF | yw | 18:04 |
| bambee_ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sco6mBTK9MI :D | 18:14 |
| Riddell | what is it bambee_ ? | 18:14 |
| bambee_ | a super mario bros remix with chuck norris :D | 18:15 |
| Riddell | who is he? | 18:15 |
| bambee_ | :O | 18:15 |
| Riddell | I just know him as an internet meme | 18:15 |
| bambee_ | you don't know chuck norris ? do you know walker texas ranger ? delta force ? | 18:16 |
| Riddell | nope | 18:17 |
| yofel | bambee_: britain has Mr. Bean, they do not need chuck norris :P | 18:17 |
| Riddell | this must all be French culture I'm unfamiliar with :) | 18:17 |
| bambee_ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chuck_Norris <--- there is a rumor on the internet and in the world that chuck norris is immortal | 18:17 |
| bambee_ | (see his movies, and you will understand why) | 18:17 |
| bambee_ | Riddell: chuck norris is american :) | 18:18 |
| KRF | Riddell: hey there, do you live behind the moon? | 18:20 |
| Riddell | KRF: umm, depends on what angle you're looking at me from I guess | 18:22 |
| Riddell | would I know any of his films? | 18:23 |
| bambee_ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvmEZiIX3Yg&feature=related :D | 18:30 |
| Riddell | rbelem: installing startactive and running that script doesn't do much | 18:35 |
| Riddell | I just get a blank screen and maybe a wallpaper eventually | 18:35 |
| Riddell | it doesn't start plasma-device | 18:35 |
| Riddell | rbelem: http://people.canonical.com/~jriddell/tmp/startactive-test.log | 18:38 |
| * Riddell reports bug 943478 | 18:41 | |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 943478 in kubuntu-active-meta (Ubuntu) "doesnae work" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/943478 | 18:41 |
| rbelem | Riddell, i will be in home in one hour | 21:01 |
| === rdieter is now known as rdieter_work | ||
| rbelem | Riddell, one hour more :-( | 23:25 |
| rbelem | Riddell, did you upload the startactive and the new kde-active-artwork? | 23:27 |
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