[02:47] ScottK, awesome \o/ [02:48] * rbelem goes to update kubuntu-active-default-settings [05:00] yofel: about the locale stuff... I wrote a patch for startkde some time ago that tries to extrapolate a sensible KDE default locale setting from the actual language setting [05:01] de_DE would be germany, de_AT would be austria and so on [05:04] rbelem: I was wondering where it is, not whether it is production ready :P [05:05] anyone around still? [05:11] apachelogger: We got our first kubuntu-active image today. [05:11] (just i386 until we get the machinery working, but a start) [05:12] so I have seen, good stuff [05:12] * apachelogger is going to roll it onto the intel thing when he finds the time [05:13] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess [05:14] that page is massive [05:14] and yet fails to address my case [05:14] <3 [05:15] again no jon the tacko :( [05:15] * apachelogger reports bug [05:17] * apachelogger wonders how to update the cache from inside muon software center [05:24] dantti: http://wstaw.org/m/2012/02/29/plasma-desktopLB2858.png [05:24] I think I broke something [05:25] apachelogger: :P [05:25] apachelogger: hmm did you changed the code? [05:25] nope [05:25] just installed my pkg [05:26] apachelogger: What's your case? [05:26] it works with auto-setup stuff from cups, so I do have drivers installed [05:26] ScottK: me wanting to change plymouth theme [05:26] and ksplash [05:26] Easy enough. UIFe [05:26] so my course of action will be: file bug annoy people and go [05:27] perhaps I should try the nokia approach to make it processed super fast... assign as many flipping managers as possible ^^ [05:28] dantti: only commit I do not have in that pkg should be 'Workaround problem with plasmoid.status for hidding the tray icon' [05:28] unless I just installed the wrong snapshot [05:28] nope, right snapshot [05:28] * apachelogger should totally report about this on the ml [05:28] apachelogger: ok, I'll check the code again... [05:29] makes snapshot packages much easier to handle [05:29] apachelogger: ok it's broken I think I forgot to connect some signals :P [05:30] thanks for the heads up ;) [05:30] didn't some software at some point mean to detect signal issues at buildtime [05:30] qtcreator probably [05:34] oh, I can't even freeze except yet as I am still waiting for info from nixternal [05:34] meh [05:35] ScottK: or do you think it will be granted without the actual production code? [05:35] Possibly [05:35] * apachelogger is not quite sure what the 4 bit per pixel stuff is supposed to achieve other than making the splash broken [05:35] Depends on how likely I think the change it to annoy Riddell. [05:36] he acked it already 2 weeks ago [05:36] Oh, then the paperwork is just a formality. He can approve it. [05:37] nice [05:37] now if only nixternal would answer my aseigo-style mails :P [05:37] incidentially enough we still need to decide what background image to use [05:38] ScottK: what is your opinion this: http://websvn.kde.org/*checkout*/trunk/KDE/kde-base-artwork/ksplashx-themes/default/800x600/background.png or proper ariya or find out why upstream used that gradient thing? [05:39] I think I spend more time looking at Konsole than any other KDE thing and I'm not well qualified to have an opinion on such stuff. [05:39] * apachelogger notes that he finds the gradient for a splash much nicer, but it screws with a streamlined login experience as it would be gradient in plymouth -> ariya in kdm -> gradient in ksplash -> ariya in plasma [05:39] ScottK: that does not help :P [05:40] http://aplg.kollide.net/screencasts/bootriya.ogv [05:40] that is ariya only [05:41] http://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/tmp/20120110_002.mp4 that other thing [05:44] ohm [05:44] dantti: http://wstaw.org/m/2012/02/29/plasma-desktopXk2858.png [05:44] dantti: I think you broke my cups :P [05:45] apachelogger: I like the traditional startup thingy with that pretends like it's showning you progress of system startup. [05:45] apachelogger: :P seems like cupsd is not running .. [05:45] what our theme needs is a cirucular busy indicator [05:45] weird never saw that... [05:46] that dot thing is utter crap IMHO [05:46] it moves like a progresss bar [05:46] except it is not [05:46] I have had people ask me whether something is wrong with that thing highlighting dots in rounds + slow startup [05:47] (actually if something is broken that is how plymouth will behave in quite a few cases ;)) [05:47] e.g. kdm not starting IIRC [05:47] dantti: can't reproduce it though [05:47] dantti: also what it says there is not useful :P [05:48] apachelogger: it's the cups response.. [05:48] that is still not useful :P [05:49] really can't reproduce it, that is jolly odd [05:50] * apachelogger loves how sexxi the kcm is [05:51] apachelogger: thanks, hopefully I'll be able to put the same love on others kcms... [05:51] SS is really needing love... :P [05:51] needed all over the place [05:52] heheh [05:52] the system pref button is oddly placed though [05:53] visually it appears to belong to the printer really [05:53] yes, I haven't find a good place for it... [05:54] * apachelogger wonders what to do about l10n [05:54] maybe I should add a configure buttom bellow "Open queue", and let the current Configure became configure Server... [05:54] not server please [05:55] people need not know that printing is down by a server/daemon ;) [05:55] apachelogger: btw did you saw I changed the supply levels stuff? [05:56] apachelogger: forgot to post on my blog... http://simplest-image-hosting.net/png-0-plasma-desktopo19879 [05:56] no, cause I cannot add my printer :P [05:56] * apachelogger uses the power of plug'n'print [05:58] bug 377220 made me smile today ^^ [05:58] Launchpad bug 377220 in libreoffice (Ubuntu) "Brown splash in Kubuntu" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/377220 [05:58] apachelogger: ok found the bug :P [05:58] classic let's close and hope no one notices move [05:58] * apachelogger knows cuz he pulled it plenty of times too :P [06:00] hehe.. [06:01] it was introduced with the mass rework of the internals [06:03] apachelogger: ok fix pushed, [06:04] it's 3am now, (I was watching a movie...) so gnight... [06:05] nini dantti, thanks for the fix :) [06:05] yw [06:06] * dantti is off to bed [06:09] * apachelogger picks his nose while waiting for lunchpad [06:14] http://wstaw.org/m/2012/02/29/plasma-desktopkV2858.png [06:14] win [06:15] I am building but actually I finished an estimated 12 seconds ago [06:16] dantti: packages on the way to kubuntu experimental, let's see how that works out === Stecchino_ is now known as Stecchino === josh__wines is now known as joshwines [10:35] testers testers keep testing! [10:35] * Riddell doing upgrade tests today === Riddell changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu: Friendly Computing | Beta 1 testing help neede | Precise: Feature Freeze, time to squish beasties | Iso testing http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/208/builds | http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-precise/group/topic-precise-flavor-kubuntu.html TODOs! | Kubuntu is alive and weller than before!! Read:http://wp.me/pQ8xr-gr | Jussi's new baby's name is Elodi! :) [11:33] agateau: are you able to tell the kde-telepathy people what needs to be done to add message indicator support? [11:33] Riddell: probably, need to have a look [11:33] Riddell: but iirc it already appears in the message indicator, just with the wrong name [11:34] err really? [11:34] ah no [11:34] I thought the empathy icon was kde-telepathy, but it really is empathy :/ [11:35] I mean just pointing them at the libraries and plasma applet source so they can work with it (and telling them it would help keep it in kubuntu for 12.04) [11:43] ca ndo [11:44] *can do [11:44] * agateau off to get food [12:18] do you know how to load kde open dialo with gtk apps? === yofel changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu: Friendly Computing | Beta 1 testing help needed | Precise: Feature Freeze, time to squish beasties | Iso testing http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/208/builds | http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-precise/group/topic-precise-flavor-kubuntu.html TODOs! | Kubuntu is alive and weller than before!! Read:http://wp.me/pQ8xr-gr | Jussi's new baby's name is Elodi! :) [13:03] yofel: topicdiff? [13:04] typo: neede -> needed [13:41] hello folks :) [13:42] will 12.04 be lts ? [13:42] yes [13:42] ok thx for the info :) [13:50] Hi all === yofel_ is now known as yofel [14:29] Why is Aknadi not in the systemsettings anymore? It's a bit complicated to configure it through the tray, and not easy to discover [14:30] is this a KDE problem or specific to Kubuntu? [14:31] nvm, found it, but that is really a discoverability problem [14:32] akonadi isn't really something users should be aware of, so it's probably a change by upstream [14:35] Riddell, wish there was an option to exclude it during the install process [14:36] it's a fundemental part of KDE [14:41] Riddell, perhaps a "home user" edition could be developed with optional kde fundamentals :) [14:46] anyone understands the last comment of bug 377220 [14:46] Launchpad bug 377220 in libreoffice (Ubuntu) "Brown splash in Kubuntu" [Low,Won't fix] https://launchpad.net/bugs/377220 [14:47] apachelogger: he's pointing out that splashscreens need to be trivial [14:47] if anything complex is in a splashscreen then it takes as long to load the splash screen as it does the app [14:48] which is what happened in KDE 3 with ksplash [14:49] right [14:49] now read comment 2 and 3 and 5 [14:50] yes alternatives could work [14:50] so maybe he didn't read that idea [14:50] so I do not get how his comment asks my question [14:50] of course my preferred solution would be to wait for calligra then switch to calligra [14:50] that is the proper solution [14:51] however in the meantime we need a workaround ;) [14:51] Mamarok: the reason why akonadi configuration is hidden is because it isn't meant to need any configuration [14:51] apachelogger: best to make patches for the packaging and reopen the bug [14:52] that is the plan, then write angry mails about kubuntu bugs not being taken serious enough [14:52] * apachelogger really needs to go do groceries though [14:52] Tm_T: i hate akonadi i would like remove it [14:53] Peace-: then do remove [14:53] I have no need to hate it at this point (: [14:53] Peace-, don't unless you want the kubuntu-desktop to be removed as well [14:53] nepo and akonadi the most hated apps on kubuntu xD [14:54] BluesKaj: kubuntu-desktop it's metapackage so i guess there is no problem [14:54] there is [14:54] its presence is a requirement for a kubuntu upgrade [14:55] Tm_T: :) removing akonadi mmmm remove kde :D [14:55] (e.g. you might not get a new print managing system, or ppa upgrades might fail) [14:55] he following packages will be REMOVED: [14:55] akonadi-server akregator apport-kde apturl-kde blogilo braindump calligra calligra-dev calligra-libs calligra-map-shape calligraflow calligramobile calligraplan calligrastage bal balbal [14:56] Peace-: I am aware, now you're aware too how important it is (; [14:56] but i hate it xD [14:56] * Peace- call me War [14:57] surely there is a dep wron [14:57] g [14:57] ? [14:59] well [14:59] what package did you remove? [14:59] Peace-, yes I my mistake I should have said most of kde [15:06] Tm_T, that's the problem , akonadi and nepomuk aren't important to home users and they're a drag on the resources of older pcs [15:07] mail is not important to home users?! [15:10] apachelogger, not kmail, as it stands there's thunderbird , gmail etc [15:11] kmail doesn't work with my ISP email [15:11] BluesKaj: at least in precise akonadi isn't started if you don't use it [15:13] debfx, I had to disable akonadi after trying to set up kmail which failed due akonadi's inability to connect tom my ISP's email server [15:17] BluesKaj: what I'm saying is that there is no need to remove akonadi. you can avoid it by not starting any kde pim application. [15:19] debfx, agreed , but I'm expanibg why kmail and akondi aren't necesary for home users ...kmail used to be a decent email program til the decision to tie it to akonadi and a databse requirement in kde4 .. I miss the old kamil from kde3 [15:20] kmail from kde3 [15:31] apachelogger: akonadi-server [15:31] i use gmail [15:31] browser :) === Stecchino_ is now known as Stecchino === rdieter_work is now known as rdieter [18:01] agateu: is there any repo for 11.04 with the newest lightdm-kde? [18:02] kubuntu active works but loads plasma-desktop :) [18:02] Riddell: yo. this commit should make your CMake hacks in downstream redundant: http://quickgit.kde.org/index.php?p=amarok.git&a=commit&h=7b72c3bdc7964aa32be8c94e4d18304be8b3b0c8 [18:02] rbelem: have you got anywhere with a startup script? [18:03] KRF: oh nice, thanks [18:04] yw [18:14] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sco6mBTK9MI :D [18:14] what is it bambee_ ? [18:15] a super mario bros remix with chuck norris :D [18:15] who is he? [18:15] :O [18:15] I just know him as an internet meme [18:16] you don't know chuck norris ? do you know walker texas ranger ? delta force ? [18:17] nope [18:17] bambee_: britain has Mr. Bean, they do not need chuck norris :P [18:17] this must all be French culture I'm unfamiliar with :) [18:17] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chuck_Norris <--- there is a rumor on the internet and in the world that chuck norris is immortal [18:17] (see his movies, and you will understand why) [18:18] Riddell: chuck norris is american :) [18:20] Riddell: hey there, do you live behind the moon? [18:22] KRF: umm, depends on what angle you're looking at me from I guess [18:23] would I know any of his films? [18:30] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvmEZiIX3Yg&feature=related :D [18:35] rbelem: installing startactive and running that script doesn't do much [18:35] I just get a blank screen and maybe a wallpaper eventually [18:35] it doesn't start plasma-device [18:38] rbelem: http://people.canonical.com/~jriddell/tmp/startactive-test.log [18:41] * Riddell reports bug 943478 [18:41] Launchpad bug 943478 in kubuntu-active-meta (Ubuntu) "doesnae work" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/943478 [21:01] Riddell, i will be in home in one hour === rdieter is now known as rdieter_work [23:25] Riddell, one hour more :-( [23:27] Riddell, did you upload the startactive and the new kde-active-artwork?