[02:47] <rbelem> ScottK, awesome \o/
[02:48]  * rbelem goes to update kubuntu-active-default-settings
[05:00] <apachelogger> yofel: about the locale stuff... I wrote a patch for startkde some time ago that tries to extrapolate a sensible KDE default locale setting from the actual language setting
[05:01] <apachelogger> de_DE would be germany, de_AT would be austria and so on
[05:04] <apachelogger> rbelem: I was wondering where it is, not whether it is production ready :P
[05:05] <apachelogger> anyone around still?
[05:11] <ScottK> apachelogger: We got our first kubuntu-active image today.
[05:11] <ScottK> (just i386 until we get the machinery working, but a start)
[05:12] <apachelogger> so I have seen, good stuff
[05:12]  * apachelogger is going to roll it onto the intel thing when he finds the time
[05:13] <apachelogger> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess
[05:14] <apachelogger> that page is massive
[05:14] <apachelogger> and yet fails to address my case
[05:14] <apachelogger> <3
[05:15] <apachelogger> again no jon the tacko :(
[05:15]  * apachelogger reports bug
[05:17]  * apachelogger wonders how to update the cache from inside muon software center
[05:24] <apachelogger> dantti: http://wstaw.org/m/2012/02/29/plasma-desktopLB2858.png
[05:24] <apachelogger> I think I broke something
[05:25] <dantti> apachelogger:  :P
[05:25] <dantti> apachelogger: hmm did you changed the code?
[05:25] <apachelogger> nope
[05:25] <apachelogger> just installed my pkg
[05:26] <ScottK> apachelogger: What's your case?
[05:26] <apachelogger> it works with auto-setup stuff from cups, so I do have drivers installed
[05:26] <apachelogger> ScottK: me wanting to change plymouth theme
[05:26] <apachelogger> and ksplash
[05:26] <ScottK> Easy enough.  UIFe
[05:26] <apachelogger> so my course of action will be: file bug annoy people and go
[05:27] <apachelogger> perhaps I should try the nokia approach to make it processed super fast... assign as many flipping managers as possible ^^
[05:28] <apachelogger> dantti: only commit I do not have in that pkg should be 'Workaround problem with plasmoid.status for hidding the tray icon'
[05:28] <apachelogger> unless I just installed the wrong snapshot
[05:28] <apachelogger> nope, right snapshot
[05:28]  * apachelogger should totally report about this on the ml
[05:28] <dantti> apachelogger: ok, I'll check the code again...
[05:29] <apachelogger> makes snapshot packages much easier to handle
[05:29] <dantti> apachelogger: ok it's broken I think I forgot to connect some signals :P
[05:30] <dantti> thanks for the heads up ;)
[05:30] <apachelogger> didn't some software at some point mean to detect signal issues at buildtime
[05:30] <apachelogger> qtcreator probably
[05:34] <apachelogger> oh, I can't even freeze except yet as I am still waiting for info from nixternal
[05:34] <apachelogger> meh
[05:35] <apachelogger> ScottK: or do you think it will be granted without the actual production code?
[05:35] <ScottK> Possibly
[05:35]  * apachelogger is not quite sure what the 4 bit per pixel stuff is supposed to achieve other than making the splash broken
[05:35] <ScottK> Depends on how likely I think the change it to annoy Riddell.
[05:36] <apachelogger> he acked it already 2 weeks ago
[05:36] <ScottK> Oh, then the paperwork is just a formality.  He can approve it.
[05:37] <apachelogger> nice
[05:37] <apachelogger> now if only nixternal would answer my aseigo-style mails :P
[05:37] <apachelogger> incidentially enough we still need to decide what background image to use
[05:38] <apachelogger> ScottK: what is your opinion this: http://websvn.kde.org/*checkout*/trunk/KDE/kde-base-artwork/ksplashx-themes/default/800x600/background.png or proper ariya or find out why upstream used that gradient thing?
[05:39] <ScottK> I think I spend more time looking at Konsole than any other KDE thing and I'm not well qualified to have an opinion on such stuff.
[05:39]  * apachelogger notes that he finds the gradient for a splash much nicer, but it screws with a streamlined login experience as it would be gradient in plymouth  -> ariya in kdm -> gradient in ksplash -> ariya in plasma
[05:39] <apachelogger> ScottK: that does not help :P
[05:40] <apachelogger> http://aplg.kollide.net/screencasts/bootriya.ogv
[05:40] <apachelogger> that is ariya only
[05:41] <apachelogger> http://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/tmp/20120110_002.mp4 that other thing
[05:44] <apachelogger> ohm
[05:44] <apachelogger> dantti: http://wstaw.org/m/2012/02/29/plasma-desktopXk2858.png
[05:44] <apachelogger> dantti: I think you broke my cups :P
[05:45] <ScottK> apachelogger: I like the traditional startup thingy with that pretends like it's showning you progress of system startup.
[05:45] <dantti> apachelogger: :P seems like cupsd is not running .. 
[05:45] <apachelogger> what our theme needs is a cirucular busy indicator
[05:45] <dantti> weird never saw that...
[05:46] <apachelogger> that dot thing is utter crap IMHO
[05:46] <apachelogger> it moves like a progresss bar
[05:46] <apachelogger> except it is not
[05:46] <apachelogger> I have had people ask me whether something is wrong with that thing highlighting dots in rounds + slow startup
[05:47] <apachelogger> (actually if something is broken that is how plymouth will behave in quite a few cases ;))
[05:47] <apachelogger> e.g. kdm not starting IIRC
[05:47] <apachelogger> dantti: can't reproduce it though
[05:47] <apachelogger> dantti: also what it says there is not useful :P
[05:48] <dantti> apachelogger: it's the cups response..
[05:48] <apachelogger> that is still not useful :P
[05:49] <apachelogger> really can't reproduce it, that is jolly odd
[05:50]  * apachelogger loves how sexxi the kcm is
[05:51] <dantti> apachelogger: thanks, hopefully I'll be able to put the same love on others kcms...
[05:51] <dantti> SS is really needing love... :P
[05:51] <apachelogger> needed all over the place
[05:52] <dantti> heheh
[05:52] <apachelogger> the system pref button is oddly placed though
[05:53] <apachelogger> visually it appears to belong to the printer really
[05:53] <dantti> yes, I haven't find a good place for it...
[05:54]  * apachelogger wonders what to do about l10n
[05:54] <dantti> maybe I should add a configure buttom bellow "Open queue", and let the current Configure became configure Server...
[05:54] <apachelogger> not server please
[05:55] <apachelogger> people need not know that printing is down by a server/daemon ;)
[05:55] <dantti> apachelogger: btw did you saw I changed the supply levels stuff?
[05:56] <dantti> apachelogger: forgot to post on my blog... http://simplest-image-hosting.net/png-0-plasma-desktopo19879
[05:56] <apachelogger> no, cause I cannot add my printer :P
[05:56]  * apachelogger uses the power of plug'n'print
[05:58] <apachelogger> bug 377220 made me smile today ^^
[05:58] <dantti> apachelogger: ok found the bug :P
[05:58] <apachelogger> classic let's close and hope no one notices move
[05:58]  * apachelogger knows cuz he pulled it plenty of times too :P
[06:00] <dantti> hehe..
[06:01] <dantti> it was introduced with the mass rework of the internals
[06:03] <dantti> apachelogger: ok fix pushed, 
[06:04] <dantti> it's 3am now, (I was watching a movie...) so gnight...
[06:05] <apachelogger> nini dantti, thanks for the fix :)
[06:05] <dantti> yw
[06:06]  * dantti is off to bed
[06:09]  * apachelogger picks his nose while waiting for lunchpad
[06:14] <apachelogger> http://wstaw.org/m/2012/02/29/plasma-desktopkV2858.png
[06:14] <apachelogger> win
[06:15] <apachelogger> I am building but actually I finished an estimated 12 seconds ago
[06:16] <apachelogger> dantti: packages on the way to kubuntu experimental, let's see how that works out
[10:35] <Riddell> testers testers keep testing!
[10:35]  * Riddell doing upgrade tests today
[11:33] <Riddell> agateau: are you able to tell the kde-telepathy people what needs to be done to add message indicator support?
[11:33] <agateau> Riddell: probably, need to have a look
[11:33] <agateau> Riddell: but iirc it already appears in the message indicator, just with the wrong name
[11:34] <Riddell> err really?
[11:34] <agateau> ah no
[11:34] <agateau> I thought the empathy icon was kde-telepathy, but it really is empathy :/
[11:35] <Riddell> I mean just pointing them at the libraries and plasma applet source so they can work with it (and telling them it would help keep it in kubuntu for 12.04)
[11:43] <agateau> ca ndo
[11:44] <agateau> *can do
[11:44]  * agateau off to get food
[12:18] <Peace-> do you know how to load kde open dialo with gtk apps?
[13:03] <Riddell> yofel: topicdiff?
[13:04] <yofel> typo: neede -> needed
[13:41] <ghostcube> hello folks :)
[13:42] <ghostcube> will 12.04 be lts ?
[13:42] <Riddell> yes
[13:42] <ghostcube> ok  thx for the info :)
[13:50] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[14:29] <Mamarok> Why is Aknadi not in the systemsettings anymore? It's a bit complicated to configure it through the tray, and not easy to discover
[14:30] <Mamarok> is this a KDE problem or specific to Kubuntu?
[14:31] <Mamarok> nvm, found it, but that is really a discoverability problem
[14:32] <Riddell> akonadi isn't really something users should be aware of, so it's probably a change by upstream
[14:35] <BluesKaj> Riddell,  wish there was an option to exclude it during the install process
[14:36] <Riddell> it's a fundemental part of KDE
[14:41] <BluesKaj> Riddell,  perhaps a "home user" edition could be developed with optional kde fundamentals :)
[14:46] <apachelogger> anyone understands the last comment of bug 377220
[14:47] <Riddell> apachelogger: he's pointing out that splashscreens need to be trivial
[14:47] <Riddell> if anything complex is in a splashscreen then it takes as long to load the splash screen as it does the app
[14:48] <Riddell> which is what happened in KDE 3 with ksplash
[14:49] <apachelogger> right
[14:49] <apachelogger> now read comment 2 and 3 and 5
[14:50] <Riddell> yes alternatives could work
[14:50] <Riddell> so maybe he didn't read that idea
[14:50] <apachelogger> so I do not get how his comment asks my question
[14:50] <Riddell> of course my preferred solution would be to wait for calligra then switch to calligra
[14:50] <apachelogger> that is the proper solution
[14:51] <apachelogger> however in the meantime we need a workaround ;)
[14:51] <Tm_T> Mamarok: the reason why akonadi configuration is hidden is because it isn't meant to need any configuration
[14:51] <Riddell> apachelogger: best to make patches for the packaging and reopen the bug
[14:52] <apachelogger> that is the plan, then write angry mails about kubuntu bugs not being taken serious enough
[14:52]  * apachelogger really needs to go do groceries though
[14:52] <Peace-> Tm_T: i hate akonadi i would like remove it
[14:53] <Tm_T> Peace-: then do remove
[14:53] <Tm_T> I have no need to hate it at this point (:
[14:53] <BluesKaj> Peace-,  don't unless you want the kubuntu-desktop to be removed as well 
[14:53] <Peace-> nepo and akonadi the most hated apps on kubuntu xD
[14:54] <Peace-> BluesKaj: kubuntu-desktop it's metapackage so i guess there is no problem 
[14:54] <apachelogger> there is
[14:54] <apachelogger> its presence is a requirement for a kubuntu upgrade
[14:55] <Peace-> Tm_T: :) removing akonadi mmmm remove kde :D
[14:55] <apachelogger> (e.g. you might not get a new print managing system, or ppa upgrades might fail)
[14:55] <Peace-> he following packages will be REMOVED:
[14:55] <Peace->   akonadi-server akregator apport-kde apturl-kde blogilo braindump calligra calligra-dev   calligra-libs calligra-map-shape calligraflow calligramobile calligraplan calligrastage bal balbal
[14:56] <Tm_T> Peace-: I am aware, now you're aware too how important it is (;
[14:56] <Peace-> but i hate it xD
[14:56]  * Peace- call me War
[14:57] <apachelogger> surely there is a dep wron
[14:57] <apachelogger> g
[14:57] <Peace-> ?
[14:59] <apachelogger> well
[14:59] <apachelogger> what package did you remove?
[14:59] <BluesKaj> Peace-, yes I my mistake I should have said most of kde 
[15:06] <BluesKaj> Tm_T,  that's the problem , akonadi and nepomuk aren't important to home users and they're a drag on the resources of older pcs 
[15:07] <apachelogger> mail is not important to home users?!
[15:10] <BluesKaj> apachelogger,  not kmail, as it stands there's thunderbird , gmail etc 
[15:11] <BluesKaj> kmail doesn't work with my ISP email
[15:11] <debfx> BluesKaj: at least in precise akonadi isn't started if you don't use it
[15:13] <BluesKaj> debfx,  I had to disable akonadi after trying to set up kmail which failed due akonadi's inability to connect tom my ISP's email server
[15:17] <debfx> BluesKaj: what I'm saying is that there is no need to remove akonadi. you can avoid it by not starting any kde pim application.
[15:19] <BluesKaj> debfx,  agreed , but I'm expanibg why kmail and akondi aren't necesary for home users ...kmail used to be a decent email program til the decision to tie it to akonadi and a databse requirement  in kde4 .. I miss the old kamil from kde3
[15:20] <BluesKaj> kmail from kde3
[15:31] <Peace-> apachelogger: akonadi-server 
[15:31] <Peace-> i use gmail 
[15:31] <Peace-> browser :)
[18:01] <sheytan> agateu: is there any repo for 11.04 with the newest lightdm-kde?
[18:02] <Riddell> kubuntu active works but loads plasma-desktop :)
[18:02] <KRF> Riddell: yo. this commit should make your CMake hacks in downstream redundant: http://quickgit.kde.org/index.php?p=amarok.git&a=commit&h=7b72c3bdc7964aa32be8c94e4d18304be8b3b0c8
[18:02] <Riddell> rbelem: have you got anywhere with a startup script?
[18:03] <Riddell> KRF: oh nice, thanks
[18:04] <KRF> yw
[18:14] <bambee_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sco6mBTK9MI :D
[18:14] <Riddell> what is it bambee_ ?
[18:15] <bambee_> a super mario bros remix with chuck norris :D
[18:15] <Riddell> who is he?
[18:15] <bambee_> :O
[18:15] <Riddell> I just know him as an internet meme
[18:16] <bambee_> you don't know chuck norris ? do you know walker texas ranger ? delta force ?
[18:17] <Riddell> nope
[18:17] <yofel> bambee_: britain has Mr. Bean, they do not need chuck norris :P
[18:17] <Riddell> this must all be French culture I'm unfamiliar with :)
[18:17] <bambee_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chuck_Norris  <--- there is a rumor on the internet and in the world that chuck norris is immortal
[18:17] <bambee_> (see his movies, and you will understand why)
[18:18] <bambee_> Riddell: chuck norris is american :)
[18:20] <KRF> Riddell: hey there, do you live behind the moon?
[18:22] <Riddell> KRF: umm, depends on what angle you're looking at me from I guess
[18:23] <Riddell> would I know any of his films?
[18:30] <bambee_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvmEZiIX3Yg&feature=related :D
[18:35] <Riddell> rbelem: installing startactive and running that script doesn't do much
[18:35] <Riddell> I just get a blank screen and maybe a wallpaper eventually
[18:35] <Riddell> it doesn't start plasma-device
[18:38] <Riddell> rbelem: http://people.canonical.com/~jriddell/tmp/startactive-test.log
[18:41]  * Riddell reports bug 943478
[21:01] <rbelem> Riddell, i will be in home in one hour
[23:25] <rbelem> Riddell, one hour more :-(
[23:27] <rbelem> Riddell, did you upload the startactive and the new kde-active-artwork?