[02:34] <gglitch> Question: if I, as a user of Xubuntu 11.10, install kubuntu-desktop, to have the option of logging into either one, what exactly will happen? I know a bunch of kde stuff will be downloaded and installed, but will KDE stuff run in the background even when I'm logged into xfce?
[02:34] <gglitch> And will it affect the appearance of my xfce environment?
[02:35] <obakfahad> ?
[02:38] <James147> gglitch: kde shouldnt run if you are not loged into a kde session
[02:38] <gglitch> James147: No Akonadi, no Nepomuk, none of that?
[02:40] <James147> gglitch: unless xfce session starts them they should not run and I don't think xfce starts programs randomly :)
[02:53] <L3top> I need to supress kde from starting on first boot from a livecd. Anybody got any good ideas?
[02:53] <L3top> after being installed that is
[02:54] <James147> L3top: what are you trying to achieve?
[02:55] <gglitch> James147: I'll give it a shot. Thank you.
[02:55] <L3top> A customized iso. Our post installer picks up there and prepares our X environment but kde pops up prior to finish and reboot.
[02:56] <L3top> I have overwritten /etc/X11/default-display-manager, but that isnt enough.
[02:57] <L3top> or... perhaps I am not hitting it soon enough, and then again too late.
[02:57] <L3top> I am having issues with d-i preseed/late_command.
[02:57] <L3top> I am not sure the heaps of crap I am throwing at it are killing it or it simply isn't being called.
[02:58] <L3top> early is working.
[02:58] <sfears> L3top: remove ubiquity from the startup string
[02:58] <James147> L3top: boot into init level 3 (add "3" to the kernel options) to boot into single user mode
[02:58] <L3top> I require the ubiquity installer, then on reboot I want it gone.
[03:00] <L3top> I am using the ubiquity-kde-frontend to walk users through the install, and we give users an option to use kde desktop from our environment... however... I just seem to have a chicken and egg scenarion.
[03:00] <L3top> -n
[03:00] <L3top> can I specify a reboot init level?
[03:01] <James147> L3top: dont think so..
[03:01] <L3top> I think I need to sort my preseed late command.
[03:01] <James147> L3top: what exactly do you want to happen?
[03:02] <L3top> what I would ideally have happen is that my post installer run chrooted which does... rather a lot.
[03:02] <L3top> Including dealing with kde suppression
[03:03] <L3top> kde kdm... not sure the proper acronym tbh
[03:04] <James147> L3top: whats the purpose of supressing kdm on the first boot? (jsut wondering if your taking that hard approch to solving a problem with other solutions)
[03:04] <L3top> So I have to bind dev, mount /dev/pts /sys /proc then chroot /target, fire mysqld backgrounded for version control
[03:04] <L3top> Because it only runs for a few minutes and reboots
[03:05] <L3top> into our setup wizard
[03:05] <James147> L3top: from what I know ubuntu has an OEM install option ^^
[03:07] <James147> http://askubuntu.com/questions/36671/how-to-make-an-oem-install  i think kubuntu has something similar... might want to see if that can do waht you want
[03:07] <L3top> Im not sure I follow
[03:08] <L3top> I have to create this from a scratch debootstrapped image from our builder...
[03:08] <L3top> and I have a live boot option...
[03:08] <L3top> but I will look
[03:08] <L3top> thank you.
[03:08] <James147> L3top: it allows you to install *ubuntu, boot and configure the system, then (run a command) and shutdown the system... the user then gets a setup wizard when they first start the computer
[03:08] <L3top> I have been building this process for about a month now though... and this is the last piece
[03:09] <James147> L3top: at the very least you can find the software they use and see how they did it ^^
[03:09] <L3top> yes... I will definitely look into it.
[03:10] <L3top> actually...
[03:10] <James147> L3top: and I am guessing that you are trying to reimplment somehting similar?
[03:14] <L3top> one second... I will show you where I am at.
[03:21] <L3top> James147, boots here http://i43.tinypic.com/69ksux.png goes here (progress bar not shown in vm for some reason) http://i41.tinypic.com/350jdxy.png ends then here http://oi43.tinypic.com/2a0doqp.jpg and in a perfect world, would reboot into our AVwizard.
[03:22] <L3top> for now, I have an extra boot, because my preseed/late_command is not functioning, and I cant quite figure otu how to troubleshoot... but would like to submit this tonight so people can test
[03:22] <L3top> and testers will complain at the confusion of a kdm desktop asking for login
[03:23] <L3top> so my hack was a post install on startup with an extra reboot
[03:23] <L3top> and here I am
[03:25] <L3top> The project is ginormous, and weird, so there isn't a cookie cutter solution to what we want.
[03:29] <L3top> we incorporate asterisk, pluto, myth, vdr, xine, mame, hulu, etc ad nausium interactively. Everything talks to everything... there is a lot of plumbing... and over 4million lines of our own code... so... the install process isn't straightforward... nor the build process.
[03:29] <L3top> so this needs to be automated to spit snaps on daily builds
[03:29] <L3top> and as I said... late_command is my last real hurdle for a working process.
[03:41] <brianp1992> can anyone explain what the KDE is?
[03:49] <James147> brianp1992: Might want to read http://userbase.kde.org/What_is_KDE
[04:18] <ubu> Hello !!! ALL!!!
[04:52] <Thyratia> Fun fact: If you have ReKonq running while doing a 'sudo apt-get upgrade' then it forgets what http is and tries to open all images in Gwenview.
[05:46] <fede>  Hi, I have a problem with konsole. I can't get it to show more than 2 colors. ¿How can I solve this?
[05:54] <fede> anyone?
[05:57] <James147> fede: how are you testing it?
[05:57] <fede> I changed the color theme but nothing happens
[05:58] <fede> also set the enviroment to TERM=xterm-color
[05:58] <fede> but that didn't do it either
[06:01] <fede> is very difficult to use the terminal without visual help, I see all the files and directories with the same color
[06:04] <James147> fede: when happens if you "ls --color=auto"
[06:07] <fede> that worked
[06:07] <fede> !
[06:07] <fede> but how can I apply this by default?
[06:10] <Unit193> You can add it to your bashrc.
[06:10] <fede> --color=auto ?
[06:11] <Unit193> There should be an alias section already in there, and I have that by default with install.
[06:12] <fede> yes, but making an alias it's not a good solution, it just fixes the ls command
[06:12] <fede> It would be nice if I can get al the colors to display correctly
[06:13] <fede> maybe adding a line to the .bashrc, but I have no idea how
[08:39] <deus_> morning :)
[08:42] <josh__wines> evening
[08:42] <deus_> When I create a VPN connection using the standard KDE Network Connections Interface, and connect to the vpn server (PPTP) not all trafic is routed over the VPN connection. How can I enforce that all my traffic goes over the vpn? Basically the same thing as enabling the "Use Default Gateway on Remote Network" on a Windows VPN connection.
[08:44] <deus_> Basically, to get a properly working VPN connection, I now have to boot into Windows. This is kinda ridiculous :(
[09:23] <viKtor_> hi guys what app can i use to scan into pdf files?
[09:30] <deus_> viKtor_: what do you mean with 'scan'?
[09:30] <deus_> like using a scanner and exporting the result to pdf?
[09:30] <viKtor_> deus_: documes with a scanner
[09:30] <viKtor_> yes
[09:31] <viKtor_> i come from gnome and there i used xsane
[09:31] <viKtor_> but in kde, using skanlite doesn't export into pdf
[09:32] <deus_> viKtor_: hm that's strange. iirc it should be able to do that. What if try to print the file and then select 'print to document'?
[09:32] <viKtor_> after scanning it in jpg for exemple¿
[09:32] <viKtor_> ?
[09:33] <deus_> viKtor_: indeed
[09:33] <viKtor_> ok ill try
[09:35] <deus_> viKtor_: I also use a program callend PDF Studio Pro. This is very similar to the windows Adobe PDF Professional (but it is still not as convenient as the latter). Nevertheless it comes with an option 'scan to pdf'. Never tried it though...
[09:35] <deus_> *Unfortunately PDF studio pro is not freeware. Not sure whether there is a free available
[09:39] <artao> hai
[09:40] <artao> joysticks. how to get them calibrated right. ... used the kde joystick thing. it sure LOOKS calibrated to me .. but, the games I play don't see it that way at all ... sayyy Flight Gear .... the stick still pulls hard in two directions
[12:01] <fireballin> Sup all, i am trying to duel boot linux with Win 7 but before the gui starts it locks  up and i can see where it says "unable to Mount Image"
[12:49] <Machtin> Hey there, is there any pre-set layout/color scheme or whatever to make everything rather dark, but keep good contrast for reading?
[12:50] <Machtin> My problem is: If I apply a dark color scheme, I can't read the buttons in the dolphin panel on the left (places).
[13:50] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:57] <patrick-68-FR> hello
[14:15] <flaire> test
[14:24] <BluesKaj> designbybeck,  did you manage to get to your desktop ?
[14:25] <designbybeck> Yes BluesKaj, somehow my kubuntu-desktop got uninstalled
[14:25] <BluesKaj> designbybeck,  did you remove akonadi or nepomuk , maybe ?
[14:25] <designbybeck> BluesKaj: yofel: said it had something to do with a ppa error, but I'm thinking it's fixed
[14:26] <designbybeck> not that i know of BluesKaj, i didn't type or select either one of those for removal
[14:26] <yofel> it is
[14:27] <designbybeck> :)
[14:27] <BluesKaj> hey yofel,  it is what ?
[14:27] <yofel> fixed by now, and was a broken dependency
[14:28] <yofel> which caused up to be "creative"
[14:28] <yofel> s/up/apt/
[14:28] <BluesKaj> creative ? you mean destructive :)
[14:29] <BluesKaj> odd , what ppa would that be , yofel ?
[14:30] <yofel> backports
[14:30] <BluesKaj> hmm, I have those enabled
[14:30] <yofel> you had to be unlucky enough to upgrade while it was broken, which was only a few hours
[14:32] <designbybeck> i'm fast like that
[14:33] <BluesKaj> ok, I was busy doing my taxes yestreday afternoon ...must have paassed me by :)
[14:48] <mr-rich> is there a way to tell muon/apper to ignore an update?
[14:52] <BluesKaj> mr-rich,  turn off update notifications in muon
[14:53] <mr-rich> BluesKaj: Can I do that for just a certian update? or would that apply to all?
[14:53] <mr-rich> BluesKaj: I just want to ignore an update for one program ...
[15:20] <designbybeck> Any Users of RKWard for R stats in here??
[15:30] <viKtor_> could anybody tell me why kde is better than unity or gnome? i can't decide what to use and from now as far as i know i can't find a kde app that scan documents in pdf ext
[15:30] <viKtor_> :S
[15:31] <BluesKaj> !pdf | viKtor_
[15:31] <James147> viKtor_: you can mix applications from different desktop envrioments, there is no need to only use kde software in kde ^^
[15:32] <James147> !scan
[15:32] <viKtor_> i'm not talking about viewing but also saving documents
[15:33] <viKtor_> for example, in gnome i used xsane that made all the hard work, i could make multiple scans at the same time
[15:33] <viKtor_> and saving them in pdf
[15:33] <James147> viKtor_: you can still use xscan in kde ^^
[15:33] <James147> xsane ^^
[15:34] <viKtor_> but i can't understand why, kde being called like the superior DE doesn't have a simple scan app for that :S
[15:34] <BluesKaj> viKtor_,  you can use xsane in kde as well ...the gtk and kde apps all work on each other's desktop environments
[15:35] <James147> viKtor_: it does: http://techbase.kde.org/Projects/Kooka but there dosnt seem to be much support behind it
[15:36] <James147> viKtor_: also http://www.kde.org/applications/graphics/skanlite/ ^^
[15:36] <viKtor_> BluesKaj: not in the gtk-free chakra :(
[15:37] <James147> viKtor_: you should be able to through bundles ^^
[15:37] <James147> (though I havnt looked at their bundles in a while)
[15:37] <BluesKaj> viKtor_,  in some cases there
[15:38] <BluesKaj> is no pure kde desktop , some gtk sacrifices mustr be made
[15:38] <viKtor_> yeah but i think community doesn't think it's an important app to have a bundle :S
[15:38] <James147> viKtor_: then make one, you are part of the community :)
[15:39] <James147> BluesKaj: and charka comes as close as you can :)
[15:39] <BluesKaj> for example I still use synaptic ...the kde package managers are awful IMO ...exqcpet for adept
[15:39] <viKtor_> so what i have to do is to scan one by one document, then save them as jpg or some other and then print as a pdf :S which is just one clickway with xsane
[15:39] <viKtor_> James147: is it possible? i have no idea! lol i mean i'm just an normal user and a translator but no a programmer hehe
[15:40] <BluesKaj> viKtor_,  try skanlite
[15:40] <BluesKaj> !skanlite
[15:40] <BluesKaj> !info skanlite
[15:40] <James147> !info skanlite | viKtor_
[15:40] <viKtor_> BluesKaj: actually i'm talking about skanlite, is the one i use kooka isn't even in the official repositories
[15:40] <James147> :P
[15:41] <BluesKaj> according to synaptic , "Skanlite can be considered to be the replacement of Kooka."
[15:41] <James147> viKtor_: charka has some nice documentation on creating bundles, read it and see if you can follow it :)
[15:42] <viKtor_> oh ill try
[15:42] <James147> viKtor_: also, scanning seems to be intergrated into kde applications if you have libksane installed :p
[15:43] <viKtor_> by the way, in my humble opinion, i find chakra the best kde distro, but, what makes you using kubuntu instead? (i'm just curious)
[15:43] <viKtor_> James147: what do you mean?
[15:44] <BluesKaj> !chakra
[15:44] <James147> http://techbase.kde.org/Projects/Kooka indicates koffice and kolourpaint can scan documents ^^ bet other kde applications can as well
[15:44] <James147> BluesKaj: its a kde focused distro based on archlinux
[15:44] <BluesKaj> oh arhc , not my cuppa tea
[15:44] <BluesKaj> arch
[15:45] <viKtor_> BluesKaj: hehe don't worry
[15:45] <James147> viKtor_: personally I didn't like their complete lack of gtk application (except in bundles)... though I liked the bundles idea, I dont like how its only done for a small subset of applications :p
[15:46] <viKtor_> but choosing a kde or gnome distro also makes you choose the same apps no? for example if i love gnome app theres no point to use a kde distro
[15:46] <viKtor_> and viceversa
[15:46] <BluesKaj> archlinux crashed on my other pc , wouldn't even load the live cd , but tha was a couple of yrs ago
[15:46] <James147> BluesKaj: its simpler then arch, preinstalled everything you really need in a kde desktop, but dosnt hide the arch way of doing things
[15:46] <viKtor_> i find kde apps higer quality than gtk ones
[15:46] <viKtor_> dolphin... i couldn't live without it
[15:46] <viKtor_> it's just perfect
[15:46] <designbybeck> agrees with viKtor_ :)
[15:47] <viKtor_> same for some others (kdepim, amarok, okular, the amazing tomahawk)
[15:47] <BluesKaj> except for the kdepim "suite" what a pita !
[15:47] <soee> hi
[15:48] <soee> BluesKaj, here?
[15:48] <BluesKaj> soee,  here and there , yes
[15:48] <soee> BluesKaj, i have one question
[15:48] <viKtor_> BluesKaj: don't you like kdepim?
[15:49] <BluesKaj> well, not kamil/akonadi
[15:49] <BluesKaj> kmail
[15:49] <soee> i have new PC - all parts except hd, if i use my old hdd with new PC do i have to install whole system gain or all will work just fine ?
[15:49] <soee> *hdd
[15:50] <BluesKaj> soee,  hdd with kubuntu installed already ?
[15:50] <James147> soee: you might need to tweak some stuff, but it should just work
[15:50] <viKtor_> BluesKaj: for me after using evolution or thunderbird... i can say kdepim it's perfect (there're some app i just don't use like blogio or some other) but everything there its so well done
[15:50] <viKtor_> and integrated with google
[15:50] <soee> BluesKaj, yes
[15:51] <soee> James147, graphic is newer g-force so the drivers i using shoudl work ?
[15:51] <James147> soee: should do, if not then its fixable
[15:51] <soee> old PC g-force 8600gt new : 560 TI
[15:52] <soee> ok ill try at home later
[15:52] <soee> if something go wrong ill contact you :D
[15:53] <James147> soee: contact the channel, if we arnt here someone else might be able to help
[15:53] <BluesKaj> soee,  not adviseable ...back up your data first , then reformat to / and /home partitions ...that's my advice ...too much guesswork about HW etc ...it might work , but it's pretty chancy
[15:54] <soee> is there a chance taht if i use hdd with new p and that with old one something might not work with old configuration
[15:54] <soee> ?
[15:54] <BluesKaj> soee,  yes , there ould be problems
[15:54] <BluesKaj> could be
[15:55] <soee> ok, thank you im going home now
[15:55] <soee> cu later
[16:01] <BluesKaj> I'm basically pi**ed off that kmail/akonadi won't work with my ISP email server ...dunno why
[16:22] <DarthFrog> BluesKaj: To avoid all those sorts of issues, I use Gmail with IMAP.  I have Gmail POP any mail that comes to my ISP (Shaw).
[16:22] <DarthFrog> Another benefit is that my Gmail address is my permanent address and I can switch ISPs without changing my email address.
[16:25] <Fanfare> Hi Folks have hughe probs with nvidia GeForce cards in PCIe slot.
[16:26] <Fanfare> When i run it with noueau it works, slow but works. when i use nvidia-current or latest from nvidia system renders unusable slow.
[16:26] <BluesKaj> DarthFrog, i use gmail as well, bu only with my gmail acct ..I also use thunderbird with my personal bell.net email acct
[16:27] <DarthFrog> And it suddendly stopped working with KMail but works with TBird?
[16:28] <BluesKaj> Fanfare,  are you runnig the recommended nvidia driver ?
[16:28] <BluesKaj> bell .net wouldn'twork with kmail/akonadi from the start , DarthFrog
[16:29] <DarthFrog> What a nuisance.  Wonder why?
[16:30] <BluesKaj> errored out saying akonadi couldn't connect , no matter how I tried the settings
[16:31] <DarthFrog> I haven't used KMail in years.  Does it require Akonadi?
[16:31] <BluesKaj> I even set up akonadi thru the router ..orgotten which ports ...it was awhile back
[16:31] <BluesKaj> yes
[16:31] <Fanfare> BluesKaj: currently waiting for ssh login on that machine (amd64) with nvidias own driver installed (295.20)
[16:32] <BluesKaj> Fanfare,  proprietary , from the nvidia site ?
[16:34] <Fanfare> BluesKaj: yes, currently trying that one with same effect as nvidia-current from repo. the only one that worked was nouveau, but slow
[16:35] <BluesKaj> Fanfare,  Iasked you aout the rec'd driver in addtonal drivers , open kmenu type driver in the search
[16:35] <AndrewMac> i just installed 11.04, i dont seem to have the same screen i see here: http://desktoplinuxreviews.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/Desktop1.jpg, I have no k menu etc, I installed with a usb drive from kubuntu-11.10-desktop-i386.iso (couldnt find a specific netbook release)
[16:36] <BluesKaj> damn KB is dying here
[16:36] <AndrewMac> anyone know why?
[16:37] <Fanfare> BluesKaj: sry, X is unusable!
[16:37] <BluesKaj> AndrewMac,  which is it 11.04 or 11.10 ?
[16:37] <AndrewMac> 11.10 sorry
[16:37] <James147> AndrewMac: what do you see instead?
[16:38] <AndrewMac> a top menu that looks kind of like the taskbar (just at the top), with a button far left that says menu, then search and launch
[16:38] <AndrewMac> normal desktop has a search bar, some icons to things like contacts, multimedia, internet etc
[16:38] <James147> AndrewMac: thats plasma-netbook, which kubuntu now uses if it detects you are running a netbook
[16:39] <James147> AndrewMac: you can switch between the netbook version and the desktop version somewhere in system settings
[16:39] <AndrewMac> is there a netbook release that doesnt include plasma?
[16:40] <James147> AndrewMac: kde uses plasma... netbook or not
[16:41] <AndrewMac> ah yes, if i switch to desktop i get the kmenu back and everything looks as it should ^_^
[16:42] <James147> AndrewMac: I would suggest giving them both a try, the netbook version is set up to work better on smaller screens
[16:42] <James147> AndrewMac: and both can be customised to your liking :)
[16:42] <AndrewMac> i dont like not having the kmenu since i dont know all the applications names off the top of my head
[16:42] <AndrewMac> and i find the searching interface a pain
[16:43] <James147> AndrewMac: you can add kmenu to the panel and change the desktop to a normal desktop in plasma-netbook (and still have the other features of the netbook version)
[16:44] <AndrewMac> James147: awesome
[16:44] <AndrewMac> ill have to play with it i see
[16:45] <Fanfare> Q: How to completely shut down X? sudo service kdm stop leaves a running Xorg...
[16:45] <James147> Fanfare: that should work... if not try "sudo telinit 3"
[16:46] <James147> (sudo telinit 5 to switch back
[16:46]  * BluesKaj wonders why system settngs hasn't desktop settings instead of hiding them in the workspace
[16:46] <bentech4you> how to get system full report .like redhat's sysreport or like Sun explorer output
[16:47] <James147> bentech4you: What info are you looking for? kinfo might be what you want ^^
[16:48] <DarthFrog> kinfocenter, to be precise.
[16:48] <James147> DarthFrog: that sound about right ;)
[16:49] <DarthFrog> :-)
[16:49] <bentech4you> actually i want to collect information through terminal..like redhat's sysreport oru Sun's Explorer output..complete information..including conncted hardware.failed hardware.installed software and all
[16:50] <Pici> For a bug report? ubuntu-bug
[16:51] <bentech4you> no..not for bug report..actually i got one new pc with ubuntu.before taking that, i need to check the condation of that one
[16:54] <James147> bentech4you: hwinfo can give you info about your hardware, dpkg -l  will list you packages
[16:54] <Fanfare> I really think the PCIexpress soket is brocken here...Any way to test?
[17:43] <mastavra> selam
[17:43] <mastavra> hello
[17:43] <ArchangelSe7en> hey
[17:43] <mastavra> how are you
[17:44] <excognac> hi all. I've got issues with amarok, previously i never had them.
[17:45] <excognac> I've reinstalled kubuntu, now it took a while that i manually made it play mp3. Fixed. But I can't add now files from a mounted ntfs partition
[17:45] <excognac> just play
[17:46] <James147> excognac: they play fine, you just cannot add the to the collection?
[17:47] <James147> excognac: I assume you have added the folder to your collection: Amarok > Settings > Configure Amarok > Collection
[17:47] <excognac> James147: nope sorry, just discovered these files are wma-s. my fault.
[17:47] <mastavra> I am searching for someone
[17:48] <James147> excognac: you might want to (if you havent already) install kubuntu-restricted-extras to install all restricted codecs
[17:52] <excognac> James147: wow, I just enabled multiverse rep. and then tried to but unable to locate package
[17:54] <James147> "kubuntu-restricted-extras"  should be there: http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=kubuntu-res&searchon=names&suite=oneiric&section=all
[17:54] <James147> excognac: did you apt-get update after adding the repo?
[17:55] <excognac> James147: sure i did
[18:02] <excognac> James147:  success, thanks for your help. Shall I keep multiverse as a repository?
[18:02] <James147> excognac: yes, otherwise you wont get updates
[18:02] <excognac> James147: fair enough. but is it secure?
[18:03]  * James147 thought it was enabled by default ^^
[18:03] <James147> excognac: its more secure then letting your application not get security updates
[18:04] <excognac> ok. great
[18:18] <mastavra> irc.sohbetnet.com
[18:21] <kubuntu> Hi, I installed ubuntu in a windows machine but somehow I couldn't boot windows
[18:21] <kubuntu> # grub-install /dev/sda
[18:21] <kubuntu> /usr/sbin/grub-probe: error: cannot find a device for /boot/grub (is /dev mounted?)
[19:37] <em> my calender disappeared. I mean i know it is there but i tried to move it and now i cant reach it with the mouse.
[19:37] <em> the one that should be in the lower left hand corner
[19:39] <em> it is like there is a blank plasma screen where the calender used to be.
[19:39] <Tm_T> with calendar you mean calendar widget in the desktop, right?
[19:39] <em> yeah the calender widget that is usually in the lower left hand corner when you click on the clock
[19:39] <em> the clock is still there.
[19:40] <Tm_T> what happens if you click the clock couple times (to show and hide the calendar)
[19:40] <em> when i click the clock the empty clear tab goes back down, and when i click the clock again an empty clear tab slides back up
[19:41] <em> but no calender is on it
[19:41] <Tm_T> sounds like a bug
[19:41] <em> kind of reminds me of how the desktop widget looks when there is nothing in the desktop folder
[19:42] <em> Tm_T: is there a way to restart KDE without restarting my computer?
[19:45] <Tm_T> em: you can restart plasma without logging out by running "kquitapp plasma-desktop; plasma-desktop"
[19:48] <ElectricKetchup> Hi #Kubuntu.  I did a normal upgrade the other day, and ever since then, I've been unable to log in normally through kdm.  I've looked at my kdm.log file and seen lots of DBUS errors and searched the internet for answers, but nothing works.  Anyone think they can help me?
[19:56] <ElectricKetchup> NOTE: I can use startx + startkde to get KDE started, but I still get lots of DBUS errors
[19:57] <ElectricKetchup> But if I try to login with KDM, it immediately goes back to the login screen (without any error dialogs or any other useful messages)
[20:06] <em> Tm_T: thanks that fixed it.
[20:07] <James147> ElectricKetchup: First, make sure kubuntu-desktop is installed
[20:17] <ElectricKetchup> James147, yeah, in fact I completely purged it and reinstalled it this morning
[20:18] <James147> ElectricKetchup: Is dbus running?
[20:18] <ElectricKetchup> which screwed me over for a while because after it uninstalled, I had no way to reinstall them until I connected to a wired network (wireless depends on dbus apparently)
[20:18] <ElectricKetchup> yeah dbus is running just fine
[20:19] <ElectricKetchup> I have a feeling that whatever script kdm is running isn't running dbus-launcher like it is supposed too ... ?
[20:19] <James147> ElectricKetchup: what happens if you careate a new user and login with them?
[20:19] <ElectricKetchup> haha let me see
[20:21] <ElectricKetchup> oh nice it actually gets an error dialog:
[20:21] <ElectricKetchup> "Failed to load session "ubuntu" - Log Out
[20:22] <ElectricKetchup> ok I switched session type to KDE plamsoid or whatever and it's logging in now
[20:23] <ElectricKetchup> well it might be logging in... it's on splash screen still
[20:24] <ElectricKetchup> ok pretty sure it's locked up at this point
[20:25] <ElectricKetchup> ok rebooting
[20:26] <ElectricKetchup> oh one interesting thing is that kdm.log has DBUS errors in it before I even log in
[20:29] <ElectricKetchup> new user has a bunch of DBUS errors in ~/.xsession-errors
[20:32] <ElectricKetchup> oh ps has kwin labeled as "<defunct>"
[20:34] <ElectricKetchup> oh I see in ps that startkde is actually launched by dbus-launch, so it should be getting the dbus session info.....
[20:50] <ElectricKetchup> oh crap I can log in!
[20:50] <ElectricKetchup> looks like it might have been the msva-perl package that was keeping me down
[20:50] <ElectricKetchup> still have a lot of dbus errors in my logs though
[20:50] <teodi> having problems with logging in? because me too
[20:51] <ElectricKetchup> yeah I haven't been able to log in for the past few days until just a couple minutes ago
[20:52] <ElectricKetchup> I thought it was because of DBUS because I kept getting hundreds of DBUS errors all over the place
[20:52] <teodi> all I can see is the black screen...
[20:52] <yofel> teodi: is kubuntu-desktop installed?
[20:53] <teodi> yofel: yes, it is
[20:53] <yofel> teodi: where does it hang?
[20:54] <teodi> well, I can type my password and click log in.. and then, black screen
[20:54] <ElectricKetchup> haha that's the first thing James147 asked me too
[20:54] <teodi> note that I have a secondary account with which I just logged with no problem
[20:55] <teodi> so, probably splash screen issue
[20:55] <ElectricKetchup> teodi, try purging the vsva-perl package
[20:55] <teodi> ElectricKetchup: how to?
[20:55] <yofel> hm, see your usual accounts ~/.xsession-errors for any hint to what's wrong
[20:55] <ElectricKetchup> sudo apt-get purge msva-perl
[20:56] <teodi> not insatlled, therefore, not removed
[20:57] <niko-nojo> Hi there - is it possible to create a keyboard shortcut to get two windows to snap - one left and one right ? I managed to find a little app in ubuntu to do this but I can't remember its name. Not found much on Google. I know you can manually drag a window left or right. Any idea ?
[20:57] <ElectricKetchup> teodi, check file ~/.kde/share/config/kwinrc, look in section [Compositing] make sure Enabled=false    (in case the problem is your composition manager)
[20:59] <teodi> what should I look for in xsession-errors? there is some fatal IO error: client killed and so, what info am I searching for?
[21:00] <yofel> that sounds like X giving up, look above that error
[21:01] <teodi> composting was true, let me check that one
[21:01] <teodi> *compositing
[21:02] <teodi> nope
[21:04] <teodi> yop, X session started for fatum at .... and then, Session manager destroyed with sessions still alive
[21:17] <ElectricKetchup> teodi, you get it fixed?
[21:17] <teodi> ElectricKetchup: absolutely not. Still waiting for ideas
[21:19] <ElectricKetchup> see any errors in ~/.xsession-errors or /var/log/kdm.log ?
[21:19] <teodi> ElectricKetchup: ever tried to change/disable splash screen from CLI or another user?
[21:20] <teodi> .xsession errors got me X session started for ... and session manager destroyed with sessions still alive ... with every: fatal IO error, client killed
[21:21] <ElectricKetchup> taodi one of the things I was able to do when kdm was broken was I created a file ~/.xinitrc that started an xterm and then I would use startx to start that xterm and then run startkde from there
[21:24] <teodi> i have an access to sudo from CLI, wouldnt it be possible from there?
[21:25] <teodi> anyways, kdm.log says, that it failed to load "nv" module, kdeinit4: communication error with launcher and D-bus call failed
[21:30] <teodi> sooo... can you specify that starting xterm? don't have any more ideas..
[21:34] <ElectricKetchup> teodi, yeah I just created a file ~/.xinitrc that has two lines: "#!/bin/sh" and "exec xterm", then ran startx (after stopping the kdm service of course)
[21:34] <ElectricKetchup> oh and you might need to chmod +x ~/.xinitrc
[21:36] <teodi> yeah, I didn't know about "exec"... after stopping kdm service?
[21:37] <ElectricKetchup> ?
[21:38] <teodi> ElectricKetchup: what do you mean with stopping kdm service, logging out from GUI? or what?
[21:39] <ElectricKetchup> sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop
[21:47] <teodi> doesnt seem to work
[21:48] <teodi> hmmm... doesn't seem to work
[21:48] <teodi> $DISPLAY is not set, if that helps
[21:52] <ElectricKetchup> that's weird the xserver (or maybe it's xinit) is supposed to set that for you
[21:52] <ElectricKetchup> export DISPLAY=:0
[21:55] <teodi> okay, plan B.. how do I set sudo access for me as a secondary user?
[21:56] <yofel> re
[21:56] <ElectricKetchup> add the user to the "adm" group
[21:56] <BluesKaj> teodi,  those kdm stop commands don't work unless you're at a TTY
[21:57] <yofel> teodi: add the other user to the admin group
[21:57] <yofel> best type 'groups' as the default user, and add the new user to the same ones
[21:58] <ElectricKetchup> wait what's the difference between the adm and admin group?  I hate pointless unix abbreviations
[21:59] <yofel> admin is used by sudo, adm owns several files in /var/log
[21:59] <ElectricKetchup> nevermind, superuser knows http://superuser.com/questions/86347/whats-difference-between-group-admin-and-adm
[21:59] <teodi> BluesKaj: I still switch between CLI on main login and GUI on this secondary one to have access to IRC. kdm stop said something about using other commands and switched me to tty1
[21:59] <yofel> that's the only difference I found
[21:59] <yofel> ah, good to know
[21:59] <yofel> teodi: which sounds right
[22:00] <ElectricKetchup> teodi, yeah when kdm stops, it switches to tty1 even if you stopped it from a different tty
[22:00] <yofel> and you should use 'sudo service kdm stop' these days (which is what it said)
[22:00] <ElectricKetchup> yofel, do you know why all the /etc/init.d scripts say to use "service" instead?  I've always been confused by that
[22:01] <teodi> well, let me try it again, brb
[22:01] <yofel> ElectricKetchup: /etc/init.d/ is from sys-v-init, we use upstart these says which has it's config files in /etc/init/ and uses the 'service' command to manage the system services
[22:02] <yofel> you'll notice that many files in /etc/init.d/ are only compatibility symlinks now
[22:02] <yofel> like kdm
[22:02] <ElectricKetchup> yofel, can upstart start more than one service at the same time?
[22:02] <yofel> s/says/days/
[22:03] <yofel> it can, that's the whole point
[22:03] <ElectricKetchup> ok cool... that always annoyed me how I could have 4 cores, but it only started one at a time and was mostly blocked by IO reads anyways
[22:03] <yofel> other distributions use systemd instead. Haven't looked too much into that yet
[22:06] <teodi> xterm Xt error: Can't open display: :0.0
[22:07] <teodi> also, there was an error when I was trying to reboot, as far as I couldn't access GUI anymore, killing all remaining processes: [FAIL], couldn't catch the whole thing
[22:16] <teodi> so, how would I, theoretically, set up autologin from CLI?
[22:19] <BluesKaj> teodi,  you don't  afaik , it's done in system settings>login screen/manager on the desktop
[22:19] <kubuntu_fra> is it ok to ask questions in here?
[22:19] <BluesKaj> kubuntu_fra,  yes , that's what this channel is for
[22:20] <teodi> sooo, we're back to that sudo rights. Still struggling with that
[22:20] <kubuntu_fra> it's a quick one. running kubuntu 11.10 from USB which works great (first time lunix here...). BUT, how do I get rid of the startup "try kubuntu" / "install kubuntu"?
[22:20] <James147> teodi: try http://blog.dhampir.no/content/debian-and-ubuntu-auto-login-and-xorg-without-a-display-manager
[22:21] <James147> (that is to autologin to a tty :) )
[22:21] <kubuntu_fra> a tty is a text terminal? I just want to end up w/o login and pwd in my desktop.
[22:22] <kubuntu_fra> is that an article I will find an answer? searching for try kubuntu and install kubuntu yields one million goodle hits ;)
[22:22] <BluesKaj> kubuntu_fra,  kubuntu is meant to be installed on your hard drive as an OS permanent install , try kubuntu is merely for trying it out temporarily
[22:23] <kubuntu_fra> I understand that. just using it as an xbmc pc for my tv so I used an 8 GB usb stick and voila, no HD making noise. perfect for me. just the first question is a tad annoying ;)
[22:24] <kubuntu_fra> and I set it to persistence (persistent?) so it keeps my changes.
[22:26] <kubuntu_fra> just going through the article, it talks about autologin and such. that is already working. it is that try vs install dialog in the graphical UI (x something?).
[22:26] <BluesKaj> well, running it off a stick is your choice , but you won't get rid of the install or try if you do
[22:26] <James147> kubuntu_fra: why not install it to the usb?
[22:27] <kubuntu_fra> because I just got it working. so when I am running it from USB, can I install it to the same USB? sounds odd... will it nuke my settings and installations?
[22:29] <BluesKaj> install kubuntu to your hard drive is best , then you can take advantage of the permenent install choices and apps ...I run this pc as a media server as well ..connected to out HT setup (TV and Receiver)
[22:30] <BluesKaj> our HT
[22:31] <kubuntu_fra> works with persisten USB as well. installed some apps, changed drivers to get hdmi sound to work and voila. all fine. if I reboot, all is kepts. BUT, I see that annoying message box. won't kill me, but drives me nuts to see it every time and searching on google yields a zillion hits....
[22:32] <kubuntu_fra> this is my first linux thing so I don't even know where to start digging.
[22:32] <Avihay> kubuntu_fra: do you get a login screen that asks you for a password?
[22:32] <Avihay> username/password
[22:32] <kubuntu_fra> nope, after that question it goes directly into my desktop.
[22:33] <kubuntu_fra> I guess as I officially want to try it, they don't bother with uid/pwd. which is totally fine, there is nothing on it, just xbmc.
[22:33] <kubuntu_fra> and IRC chat right now ;)
[22:33] <Avihay> I wonder if installing KDM will get rid of that screen (better make sure you know your username/password before you reboot)
[22:34] <teodi> well, autologin enabled, but all it does is, that it does this black screen automatically...
[22:34] <kubuntu_fra> it's kubuntu so it runs with KDM, correct?
[22:34] <James147> kubuntu_fra: the live cd dosnt have a password, you best bet is to install kubuntu to the usb (need another usb or cd to do it)... that will give you the most flexability (and it wont give you that anoying dialog)
[22:35] <kubuntu_fra> this is kubuntu with xbmc added on top, not the xbmcuntu thing. I have a full kubuntu desktop experience. plus that one silly dialog
[22:35] <Avihay> my guess is that for the live-cd, they replaced kdm with the select try live / install thingy
[22:36] <kubuntu_fra> kdm is the desktop environment, correct? because that happens after the try/install question
[22:37] <Avihay> !info kdm
[22:37] <kubuntu_fra> and don't I have the same experience running from USB with persistent storage (casper I think) vs a real install? I can install apps as much as I want and change everything I want and it keeps it. what difference is there?
[22:37] <Avihay> from the package description: KDM manages a collection of X servers running on local or remote machines. It allows users to easily log into their preferred desktop environment,..
[22:39] <Avihay> It's a program that let's you log in into your kde desktop environment
[22:39] <Avihay> or other DEs
[22:39] <kubuntu_fra> and since I auto login into my desktop environment, it is installed. BUT, before I see the desktop environment, there is a kubuntu dialog that asks me whether I want to try it or install it.
[22:40] <kubuntu_fra> if I select try, it brings me straight to my desktop envirnment from before the boot (persistent).
[22:40] <kubuntu_fra> and my question was, how do I get rid of that question ;)
[22:45] <kubuntu_fra> by the way, here is someone else asking : http://www.kubuntuforums.net/showthread.php?54154-quot-Try-Kubuntu-install-kubuntu-quot-Spash-start-screen&highlight=Try+Kubuntu+%2F+install+kubuntu+Spash%2C+start+screen
[22:46] <kubuntu_fra> same question and people trying to convince him to install it ;)
[22:48] <teodi> can I change the settings of another user? e.g. splash screen?
[22:53] <kubuntu_fra> and if y'all want a solution : http://techkhabri.com/2011/12/how-to-bypass-try-itinstall-it-option-from-live-cd-ubuntu/
[22:53] <JMichaelX_work> teodi: if you have admin privileges
[22:53] <kubuntu_fra> searched all day...
[22:54] <teodi> JMichaelX_work: i do, so how?
[22:54] <kubuntu_fra> one last question. IF i get another USB hard drive. can I install from USB to the other USB disk w/o loosing any settings?
[22:55] <JMichaelX_work> teodi: i don't know, but you should be able to find instructions online... if you can log into that users account, it can just be done in system settings
[22:55] <James147> kubuntu_fra: you will have to copy settings across
[22:55] <kubuntu_fra> I suppose there is no easy copy command and all happens automatically, no?
[22:55] <James147> teodi: "kdesudo -u USER systemsettings"
[22:56] <James147> kubuntu_fra: user directory can by copied directly, system settings is less easy
[22:57] <kubuntu_fra> yeah, that's what I thought. I probably end up installing to a removable USB HD and boot from my USB stick until I am sure I have transfered everything. but running from USB is kinda cool. no noise, no nothing...
[22:58] <kubuntu_fra> it's like a really small solid state HD
[22:59] <kubuntu_fra> ok, I shall do that now. Thanks for answering everything. Last time I was in IRC was 1997 or so. glad to see that this is still the space to give and get help (sorry, with linux I cannot give help ;)
[23:02] <teodi> damn it, still nothing, still can't log in
[23:02] <James147> kubuntu_fra: only problem is usb are SLOW
[23:04] <kubuntu_fra> keep in mind, I start xbmc and boot into kubuntu in about one minute. and since I start that thing once a day, totally cool with it. was like $20 and will probably last 2 years. awesome.
[23:12] <teodi> anyways, thanks to you all for trying to help me.. maybe something will come in my mind tomorrow, but now it's too late and I can't think anymore. Thanks and bye
[23:13] <L3top> teodi, what are you trying to do?
[23:14] <L3top> which splash are you trying to change?
[23:14] <teodi> L3top: I can't log in with my main account to GUI. CLI works fine, my another acc works fine..
[23:14] <L3top> oh, thats neat.
[23:14] <teodi> L3top: it's probably not a problem with splash screen, that was just an idea
[23:15] <L3top> teodi: if you create a new user everything works and is there?
[23:15] <teodi> L3top: I assume, I can try.
[23:18] <teodi> L3top: yop, everything works well
[23:18] <L3top> in cli try: cp /etc/skel/.[a-zA-Z0-9]* /home/USERNAME; cp /etc/skel/* /home/USERNAME
[23:19] <L3top> where USERNAME is your user name
[23:20] <L3top> wait
[23:20] <L3top> sorry
[23:20] <teodi> which one?
[23:20] <L3top> need an -r in there
[23:20] <L3top> so
[23:20] <L3top> cp -r /etc/skel/.[a-zA-Z0-9]* /home/USERNAME; cp -r /etc/skel/* /home/USERNAME
[23:20] <L3top> where USERNAME is the user you cant login with...
[23:21] <teodi> I don't have skel directory
[23:22] <L3top> er...
[23:23] <L3top> one moment
[23:23] <L3top> what version are you on
[23:23]  * L3top should probably lead with such questions
[23:23] <L3top> lol
[23:23] <teodi> version of what specifically?
[23:23] <teodi> 11.10
[23:24] <James147> teodi: rename ~/.kde and see if you can login
[23:24] <teodi> James147: tried that
[23:25] <L3top> should have a skel. weird.
[23:25] <L3top> can anyone on 11.10 confirm there is a skel dir?
[23:26] <L3top> I mean
[23:27] <L3top> thats "how stuff works" kind of stuff... I don't know how you are getting new desktops if you dont have an /etc/skel dir...
[23:27] <teodi> L3top: wait
[23:28] <teodi> I do have skel, let me check that command again
[23:29] <James147> L3top: its unlikly to be a config file in /etc/skel, as that only contain some bacic configs like the bashrc
[23:29] <James147> kde settings are generated the first time you log in
[23:29] <James147> (and most other apps the first time you use them)
[23:29] <L3top> I just meant, if there is no desktop info, it may not login...
[23:29] <teodi> cp: cannot stat `/etc/skel/*': No such file or directory
[23:30] <L3top> was a shot in the dark
[23:30] <teodi> sorry
[23:30] <L3top> I was more concerned with the hidden files.
[23:30] <L3top> the first command