[00:00] <KM0201> phillw: not to mention WAY faster
[00:00] <KM0201> lol
[00:00] <phillw> KM0201: if that is his only option... that is his only option.
[00:00] <wumuckl_> ok
[00:00] <KM0201> true
[00:00] <wumuckl_> may be i  buy a package cd tommorow
[00:00] <KM0201> brb
[00:02] <phillw> wumuckl_: you can issue, from the command line..
[00:02] <phillw> sudo do-release-upgrade -d
[00:03] <phillw> but, as KM0201 says, this a long way of doing it!
[00:03] <wumuckl_> i found a cd in my chaos..
[00:03] <phillw> however, I went all the way from 9.04 to 10.04 doing release-upgrades :)
[00:05] <wumuckl_> but how can FDD be Floppy Disk if it has no Floppy
[00:06] <wumuckl_> ok so thank you again fort your help and see you
[00:07] <wumuckl_> im updating
[00:07] <KM0201> wumuckl_: a motherboard/BIOS is written for multiple PC models, not just your PC model...
[00:07] <KM0201> so it's not uncommon for a BIOS to have a feature, that your PC may not have.
[00:09] <phillw> KM0201: he may need a bios flash, but I'm really loath to take people down that route :/
[00:09] <KM0201> same here
[00:10] <phillw> BIOS upgrades are not in our job description :)
[00:12] <phillw> iceroot: it appears a non pretty workaround for bug 938472 is out, just awaiting to see if it is in RC's for Beta 1
[00:12] <wxl> did we fix wumuckl?
[00:12] <wxl> pulseaudio fix everything?
[00:12] <KM0201> naa, he's updating.. i think it's a 10.04 issue
[00:13] <wxl> oh 10.04
[00:13] <wxl> yikes
[00:13] <KM0201> lol
[00:13] <phillw> wxl: He found a CD but I think he's doing a sudo do-release-upgrade -d to get to 10.10, then just 2 more to get to 11.10 :/
[00:14] <KM0201> lol
[00:14] <KM0201> so we should have a report tomorrow about noon as to whether it worked or not
[00:14] <phillw> 10.04 worked perfectly well on elderly piglet :)
[00:19] <wxl> hey someone try this out on lubuntu and see if you can get it to work http://pastebin.com/XdaAR2Pm
[00:20] <wxl> bottom line is trying to get lxterminal to use loginshell (-l) doesn't seem to work
[00:21] <wxl> yet `lxterminal --loginshell` = `lxterminal -l` works fine in lxterminal
[00:52] <tackd>  /exit
[02:28] <wumuckl> hi i have a problem with my soundchi
[02:28] <wumuckl> can someone help me please?
[02:29] <wxl> wumuckl: what did you end up doing besides re-installing?
[02:29] <wumuckl> the soundchip dont work :(
[02:30] <wxl> did you do anything else besides updating?
[02:30] <wxl> did you end up installing pulseaudio?
[02:30] <wumuckl> i reinstalled from cd
[02:30] <wumuckl> and did the updates
[02:30] <wumuckl> aND INSATALLED SOMER PLUGINS
[02:31] <wumuckl> the restricted extras package
[02:32] <wxl> wumuckl: `lsb_release -d`
[02:32] <wxl> why did you install that package?
[02:33] <wumuckl> i wanted to watch a youtube video
[02:33] <wxl> um
[02:33] <wxl> ok
[03:17] <mayko> I just lost sound and microphone on my lubuntu system and the obvious fixes/forum answers aren't getting anywhere fast
[03:17] <mayko> halp plz?
[03:21] <mayko> oddly, if I play music, I can see the levels thumping in pavucontrol, but there is no sound. The only output device is "Dummy Output"
[03:22] <Unit193> Fixed some problems I had by removing pulse.
[03:22] <Unit193> Also, you're not giving a lot to go on, so best I can do is give you this https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/PulseAudio
[03:23] <mayko> what information would be most useful to you?
[03:24] <mayko> I ran lspci -v | grep audio and got nothing, which seemed ominous
[03:28] <Unit193> ps aux |grep pulse  start with that and see if it's running, and "This may be caused by different reasons, one of them being the .asoundrc file in $HOME is taking precedence over the systemwide /etc/asound.conf. " seems like your issue?
[03:33] <mayko> I do not seem to have a .asoundrc file
[03:34] <mayko> it does appear to be running
[03:34] <Unit193> Anything if you run `pacmd list`?
[03:36] <mayko> some memory blocks, 24 modules loaded'
[03:36] <mayko> sources available
[03:36] <mayko> clients logged in
[03:37] <Unit193> See any cards in there though?
[03:39] <mayko> one available, named alsa_card.pci-0000_00_1b.0
[03:41] <Unit193> `fuser -v /dev/snd/*` and `fuser -v /dev/dsp` would be good to check if anything is using that, but otherwise I'm not really one for audio.
[03:44] <mayko> the first shows that I am using pulseaudio; the second compains about a bad address
[03:47] <mayko> gonna restart; thanks for your help
[03:48] <Unit193> Otherwise see if #ubuntu has more pulse people.
[08:20] <Mito125> hi
[08:21] <Mito125> I need to exec this command in lubuntu,,, sh -c 'cd /usr/share' but it doesn't work... Where am I wrong???
[08:29] <Unit193> Mito125: Why...?
[08:30] <Mito125> I don't know
[08:30] <Mito125> in xubuntu the same command works...
[08:31] <Mito125> I would to open a terminal on the location...
[08:32] <Unit193> What do you mean? You have no idea why you want it to do it? And I can tell you that command wouldn't work in Xubuntu terminal.
[08:32] <Unit193> Open a terminal, and type   cd /usr/share
[08:32] <Mito125> In .desktop file in Exec I put this command, and in Terminal i put True...
[08:33] <Mito125> I'm trying to add command to menu...
[08:34] <Unit193> lxterminal --working-directory=/usr/share   for example.
[08:35] <Mito125> This works, I tried it... But if I changed DE, I should rewrite all .desktop file
[08:35] <Mito125> with sh -c I have an universal solution
[08:37] <Unit193> bash -c 'cd /usr/share' would be better if that were the case, but it'd exit after it changed dirs I'd think....
[08:39] <Mito125> I would to put this command in Exec row, like bash -c 'cd /usr/share;ls;' but terminal doesn't start
[08:39] <Unit193> It'd still be better to just use the native terminal emulator.
[08:41] <Mito125> Sure, but my problem is different, I would to understand why it doesn't work
[08:43] <Mito125> this is my desktop file http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/861651/
[11:10] <uskerine> hi, any recommendation for light text editor with PHP, MySQl and HTML syntax highlight (I used to use NEDIT)
[11:10] <uskerine> ?
[11:55] <Timo_> Hi lads, I've got another question about dual monitor in Lubuntu: Can I make the ALT+TAB switcher always appear on both monitors? Now it just displays itself on the active window monitor.
[14:44] <smkatz> hello. I was getting some help the other day with what appeared to be a bad dvd rom drive. I have just discovered it appears to read dvds fine, excluding one that had some detritus on it
[14:44] <smkatz> but won't read audio cds
[14:44] <smkatz> cd-rs
[14:44] <smkatz> etc
[14:44] <smkatz> is this a linux problem or a drive problem?
[14:45] <smkatz> btw, I've only tested it with one dvd so far + a dvd-r that it had some success with (not completely)
[14:59] <phillw> smkatz: you may not have the codecs for, say, mp3's installed
[15:00] <phillw> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats (there is a quick link to grab the lubuntu restricted packages on that wiki page)
[15:08] <smkatz> I'm installing them now
[15:08] <smkatz> but I can't even boot to a lubuntu iso anymore
[15:08] <smkatz> unless it is a dvd-r
[15:10] <smkatz> http://www.cdrom-guide.com/forums/showthread.php?t=283813
[16:05] <smkatz> hey. I'm installing dvd playback now, does ldconfig deferred processing now taking place mean it's safe to reboot
[16:06] <smkatz> in general what does "deferred processing mean" mean?
[16:11] <phillw> smkatz: https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-terminal/+question/15849
[16:12] <smkatz> thanks
[16:14] <smkatz> ok, pillw, but how do I know when it's done and it's safe to reboot the system?
[16:15] <phillw> usually a few seconds. are you on the command line (lxterminal)?
[16:22] <smkatz> yes, i am
[16:22] <smkatz> thanks pillw -- sorry for the delay
[16:26] <smkatz> phillw
[16:26] <phillw> if the terminal prompt is back, then the process should have completed. when you reboot the computer will give a little time for such things to finish anyway.
[16:28] <smkatz> thanks
[16:44] <Flazer> anyone know how to make a live usb for lubuntu (or any ubuntu) in fedora?
[16:52] <phillw> Flazer: try http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_create_and_use_Live_USB
[16:52] <phillw> just use a ubuntu iso as the image :)
[17:35] <epictetus> i love lubuntu
[17:35] <epictetus> the way I explain it is, "it's like ubuntu, except before it uses lube"
[17:39] <smile4ever> hi :D
[17:39] <smile4ever> :)
[17:44] <smile4ever> hi mark76 :)
[17:47] <mark76> Hey there
[17:49] <smile4ever> mark76: Lubuntu running fine? :D
[17:49] <mark76> What's up?
[17:49] <smile4ever> I reinstalled today and it's smoothier than ever :)
[17:49] <mark76> Dunno. I'm currently using Xfce
[17:49] <smile4ever> okay ;)
[17:49] <mark76> But I shall be switching to LXDE in about two/three weeks
[17:50] <smile4ever> cool :)
[17:50] <mark76> So what's new in Lubuntu?
[17:51] <smile4ever> mark76: better drivers & quicker software :)
[17:52] <mark76> Any new panel plugins?
[17:53] <wxl> actually… in precise there is a new resource monitor that handles cpu AND ram
[17:54] <mark76> Cool
[17:54] <mark76> Still no weather plugin?
[17:57] <pAt_> wow, good news wxl
[17:57] <wxl> pAt_: yeah i was pretty delighted
[17:57] <pAt_> it is exaxtly what I am missing :)
[17:57] <smile4ever> :D
[17:58] <pAt_> hi smile4ever
[17:58] <pAt_> (=
[17:58] <valdur55> pAt_, you can use conky for forecast
[17:58] <pAt_> valdur55, yes, I use gkrellm atm
[17:58] <pAt_> but prefer an app in the task bar
[17:59] <smile4ever> hi pAt_ :)
[17:59] <wxl> valdur55: you meant to point that at mark76 re: conky for forecast
[17:59] <wxl> tho i don't like stuff like conky/gkrellm
[18:00] <pAt_> the problem is, that they are most of the time hidden by other windows
[18:00] <valdur55> ok! But there is weather indicator
[18:00] <wxl> exactly my point
[18:00] <valdur55> !dpkg indicator-wheater
[18:01] <valdur55> damn.. no bots?
[18:01] <mark76> I don't think there are any indicators in Squeeze
[18:04] <mark76> Well, no weather indicator
[18:04] <wxl> here's the latest add-ons http://tinypic.com/r/20fc611/5 (in precise)
[18:11] <mark76> Ta
[18:12] <mark76> What's WNCKPAger?
[18:14] <esing> hi
[18:14] <wxl> hi esing
[18:14] <esing> will 256 mb ram be enough for lubuntu ?
[18:14] <mark76> Yo
[18:14] <wxl> esing: yep
[18:14] <esing> hi wxl
[18:14] <esing> will there be a big difference if i use ubuntu or lubuntu on that mashine E?
[18:15] <wxl> esing: oh yah :)
[18:15] <esing> go to know =)
[18:15] <esing> *good
[18:59] <lee> hello, I am trying to install lubuntu 10.04. the attached monitor (via vga) is a tv and lubuntu is autodetecting 1920x1080 as the resolution. I can just about see how to change the resolution to 1024x768 (target monitor resolution) but the DPI is still way too high and the fonts are essentially unreadable, where do I change this?
[19:00] <lee> I am currently booted to the live environment
[19:00] <wxl> lee: #1 why 10.04???
[19:01] <lee> processor restriction
[19:02] <wxl> strange
[19:02] <lee> not really, it was well documented at the time
[19:02] <wxl> OH you have one of THOSE
[19:03] <lee> in fact, straight from the lubuntu docs, For very old hardware (10-15 years): As support for i586 chipsets (these include VIA C3, AMD K6, National Semiconductor and AMD Geode) has been dropped from the kernel and GCC by ubuntu from the 10.10 series onwards, you will need to use the 10.04 release.
[19:03] <lee> which is what I am attempting to do =)
[19:04] <lee> so how do I change the font size/dpi? I can read titlebar fonts (e.g. Appearance Settings, and juuuust about the clock) but very little else
[19:05] <wxl> if you ctrl-alt-f2 does the framebuffer look better? (you can ctl-alt-f7 to get back)
[19:05] <lee> yes, console font is fine
[19:07] <lee> ahhh, found it by luck in the bottom right of Appearance Settings
[19:07] <lee> er, bottom left
[19:07] <wxl> ah hahah
[19:07] <wxl> i'm looking for config files and such for nothing :)
[19:07] <smile4ever> brb :)
[19:07] <lee> dear gods that was horrible
[19:08] <lee> hmmm, although it doesn't seem to have taken full effect, let's try an X restart
[19:10] <wxl> lee: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1783031
[19:20] <zaaark> I love Lubuntu, that's all :D
[19:26] <lee> wxl: ahh thanks
[19:26] <lee> I have cheated, and gone to another lower resolution monitor where things are readable by default
[19:26] <wxl> lee: np. you good now?
[19:26] <wxl> oh he
[19:27] <wxl> ok :D
[19:27] <lee> however it is hanging on the installer now, can't get past selecting keyboard layout (step 3 of 7), I hit the Forward button and it just sits there thinking, although the text entry field and Quit button works
[19:29] <wxl> lee: if you have 256m that's might be why
[19:29] <wxl> patience ;)
[19:29] <lee> nope, 1GB (although some is shared for graphics)
[19:35] <lee> I figure if it hasn't moved for 10 minutes it's not going to
[19:36] <phillw> lee: it can seem to hang, give it some time... maybe another 10 mins?
[19:37] <wxl> lee: if it's still an issue try alternate but i'd just be patient
[19:37] <lee> I'll give it another ten minute
[19:37] <lee> s
[19:37] <lee> I couldn't immediately see an alternate
[19:37] <lee> for 10.10 yes, but not 10.04
[19:38] <phillw> lee: take a quick look at bug 942560
[19:38] <wxl> ohhh
[19:38] <wxl> there is no alternate
[19:38] <wxl> gotta jet
[19:39] <phillw> as it could be a ubiquity bug.
[19:39] <lee> phillw: well it's probably fixed in more up to date versions
[19:39] <lee> but therein lies the problem =)
[19:42] <phillw> lee: it was mentioned tonight on the bug-squad meeting. Fixes are currently queued up behind a feature freeze whilst the beta 1's get out.
[19:43] <phillw> it does not report 'fix released', so it is still broken.
[19:53] <joel135> hi, #lubuntu! what handles the wallpaper by default, and how do I turn it on/off?
[19:53] <joel135> I've tried killing pcmanfm, but that only removed the icons
[19:55] <lee> nope, still not moving forward. tried booting to xubuntu and going to install, and a crash report regarding parted_server came up, but nothing useful in the syslog
[19:56] <phillw> joel135: I think it is openbox? But I'm not too sure.
[19:58] <lee> god damnit, this is infuriating =)
[19:58] <lee> let's try the xubuntu 10.04.2 alternate...
[19:58] <lee> just in case, but I suspect the answer is going to be the same
[19:59] <Unit193> Try to watch the language though.
[20:01] <lee> maybe I should approach this from a different angle, and customise the live environment...
[20:01] <lee> although that's going to involve a custom (non-detectable) X config, and compiling a couple of kernel modules for the touchscreen, and launching a browser, going to a specific page, and going fullscreen...
[20:04] <joel135> phillw: openbox can't manage wallpapers (source: http://wiki.debian.org/Openbox) I've tried killing the wallpaper apps suggested at http://wiki.debian.org/Openbox#Alternatives but none of them appears to be in use
[20:06]  * david_j_r testing
[20:06]  * david_j_r thanks!
[20:07] <joel135> is there an xkill-like app that lets me click on a program, but then shows the pid or something?
[20:09] <phillw> joel135: there is a lubuntu meeting going on now. If I get chance I'll ask rafaellaguna what it is that controls wallpapers, but we have a serious bug that is eating our time up.
[20:10] <joel135> phillw: focus on the bug then. your time is more important than mine :)
[20:11] <Unit193> Well, pcmanfm is what you use to set it up, as seen with the help/manpage.
[20:39] <phillw> Unit193: that was a stroke of luck.... :)
[20:40] <Unit193> I'm sorry, but what'd I miss?
[21:00] <Herr_Kriss> hello, what do you think about Lubuntu on http://www.dooyoo.co.uk/laptops/toshiba-satellite-1710cds/?
[21:00] <Herr_Kriss> I could buy more RAM, but that's all
[21:01] <holstein> i think you can get more out of a netbook, and for cheaper
[21:01] <holstein> more CPU for a very similar price
[21:02] <Herr_Kriss> but I got this laptop for free and I need it just for using jabber or browsing simple websites
[21:02] <Herr_Kriss> Windows 2000 even works on it, but I'd prefer Linux
[21:07] <holstein> Herr_Kriss: OK
[21:07] <holstein> go for it... you can try it live.. i thought you were asking if you *should* get it
[21:08] <holstein> i would expect to use puppy on that low ram though
[21:08] <Herr_Kriss> ok, thanks, I'll try both.
[21:09] <holstein> the current version of lubuntu is about 4 months old... windows 2000 is quite old... not a fair comparision
[21:09] <pAt_> Herr_Kriss, does it really have only 32 MBytes Ram?
[21:09] <Herr_Kriss> pAt_: I just wanted to check it
[21:13] <Herr_Kriss> pAt_: heh, indeed 32 MB
[21:37] <lee> (lubuntu 10.04) how do I add to the list of "Automatically Started Applications"? I want to tell chromium to launch in kiosk mode to a specific url
[21:41] <lee> ah, hmm, seem I need to create a .desktop file and add it to ~/.config/autostart
[21:44] <phillw> !paste | phillw
[23:16] <LiquidEdge> Is there a way to enable "Always on Top" for windows?  When I right-click on the title bar, I don't get the option.
[23:18] <Unit193> It's in the right click, but under Layers.
[23:22] <danyboy> does lubuntu have ubuntu market?
[23:22] <EvilResistance> danyboy, i think #ubuntu already answered your question...
[23:22] <danyboy> so you're an lubuntu user but you do not know
[23:22] <danyboy> ?
[23:22] <danyboy> good job.
[23:23] <EvilResistance> actually, i'm a KDE user, but i have the Lubuntu environments alongside KDE, GNOME2, and others.
[23:23] <EvilResistance> and be nice
[23:23] <EvilResistance> in KDE, it didnt have it.  I installed the software center, and the dependencies, and i then got the "ubuntu software store" as its called
[23:24] <david_j_r> Got a question about rolling back apps: is it possible to revert to earlier after updating LibreOffice?
[23:24] <danyboy> sounds hard
[23:24] <EvilResistance> danyboy, so regardless of whether Lubuntu does/doesnt have it by default, it should be able to be installed when you install the dependencies
[23:24] <LiquidEdge> EvilResistance: That's the market.
[23:24] <EvilResistance> danyboy, its about as simple of typing 'sudo apt-get <package>' into the terminal, and waiting for it to finish installing
[23:25] <EvilResistance> LiquidEdge, yeah, i know, i dont remember the package name off the top of my head though
[23:25] <danyboy> i know, but i don't know the names
[23:25] <LiquidEdge> ahhh...gotcha
[23:25] <danyboy> and thus are damn hard
[23:25] <LiquidEdge> software-center
[23:25] <danyboy> su
[23:25] <danyboy> apt-get software-center?
[23:26] <LiquidEdge> sudo apt-get install software-center
[23:26] <EvilResistance> danyboy, sudo apt-get install software-center
[23:26] <EvilResistance> BUT it might install GTK runtime stuffs
[23:26] <Unit193> There's also going to be a lubuntu-software-center in pangolin.
[23:26] <LiquidEdge> Install it that way.  If there are problems, yo we'll solve them.
[23:27]  * LiquidEdge goes to check out the hook while his DJ revolves them.
[23:27] <EvilResistance> Unit193, except this is 11.10, pangolin's about a month or so away ;P
[23:28] <Unit193> EvilResistance: My statement is still valid, and hence the "going to be"
[23:28] <EvilResistance> :P
[23:29] <david_j_r> So - is there any help on this one: is it possible to revert to earlier (previous) version after updating LibreOffice?
[23:33] <david_j_r> Or rollback? downgrade? etc.?
[23:35] <Unit193> Well, has to do with apt !pinning.
[23:35] <EvilResistance> Unit193, doesnt it also have to do with which versions are available in the repos?
[23:36] <david_j_r> Just doing some googling and found this: http://snipplr.com/view/31445/
[23:36] <Unit193> What's wrong with current?
[23:36] <Unit193> It's easier to apt-cache policy
[23:37] <david_j_r> LibreOffice 3.5 seems to be quite buggy, and the interface has changed in an unhelpful way
[23:37] <Unit193> They're weird...
[23:37] <david_j_r> need to get a project done, and prefer to revert to previous to complete it
[23:37] <david_j_r> rather than persevere with current or wait for maintenance release
[23:38] <david_j_r> Is there a way of blowing it away and keeping settings, re-install older version?
[23:38] <Unit193> I'd think remove would do it as purge is supposed to remove settings and all.
[23:38] <Unit193> Keep in note that I haven't needed to do this.
[23:38] <david_j_r> :)