[00:05] does not generate pdf file and not allow me to install any printer. the option to install new printer is disabled. [00:13] you don't need to install a printer to print to pdf [00:18] I'm using gnome and not 3.3.90 enables the printer installation [00:18] I'm using gnome 3.3.90 and not enables the printer installation [00:19] bring wayland to ubuntu please [00:20] wayland? [00:21] http://wayland.freedesktop.org/ [00:21] hmm [00:21] the new display server protocol [00:22] kind of an X replacement [00:23] there are a few videos about it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNXWT3ine7E === Adys_ is now known as Adys [00:29] diegoviola: the preview was moved to q-series: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-q-wayland-tech-preview (so 12.10) [00:35] trism: great thanks [00:43] what is q-series? [00:43] sorry [00:44] q-series is the yet-to-be-named Ubuntu+2 [00:44] ok thanks [00:46] looking forward to it [01:53] how can I revert from nvidia to nouveau ? [01:53] it seems installing nvidia drivers blacklists the nouveau driver [01:53] Uninstall the nvidia drivers through jockey. [01:56] does not work [01:56] nouveau stops working [01:56] File a bug report. [02:00] I see [02:00] with jockey, nvidia or nouveau? [02:00] If you installed the driver through jockey, then I'd guess jockey. === IAmNotThatGuy is now known as M0hi [04:46] Hello, activating a lot(100) dm-crypt devices causes X to lock up. [04:48] I ran "udisks --inhibit" how can I disable gvfs-gdu-volume and gdu-notification from jumping up... and udisks-daemon still is active. [04:50] omg!!! what's this crap running "vgchange -a y" This needs to stop. [04:52] chmod 000 /lib/udev/watershed stopped that. === ro_Ot is now known as Jikan [05:02] how odd... the circular scrolling on my touchpad is backwards, but the scroll buttons work correctly. [05:03] oh, and silly thing: gnome thinks arrow keys are "typing". [05:04] i have an issue with power & networking; when i unplug A/C power, network disconnected and reconnected. then, i plug A/C power back on in other room. the network disconnected and reconnected again. where can i troubleshoot and fix it? will report it as bug if there's none out there. [05:04] DanaG: Do "cat > file" thn use the arrow keys. [05:04] yeah, you get the weird bracket characters... but xev doesn't show those weird bracket characters. [05:05] IcemanV9: Hmm, sounds like the network card entering/leaving low power mode. Any laptops use PoE? [05:06] PoE phone chargers? [05:06] okay, so it's only circular scrolling that's inverted. If I disable circular scrolling, it scrolls forwards. [05:06] it was okay about 3 weeks ago, then the problem appeared since then. i couldn't figure it out what's changed for wireless/network [05:07] IcemanV9: Likely a driver update, enabling the use of low power mode. Still just guessing. [05:07] hmm, I wonder if it's pm-utils switching power modes, or something. [05:07] it's hp elitebook 6930p (laptop) [05:08] hmm, I have an 8530w, and I don't recall getting that behavior. then again, I haven't booted Ubuntu in about a week. [05:08] cheako: couldn't find the file in /var/log where i could tailing it to pinpoint the "root" source [05:08] something to change the setting to see if that is the problem or not [05:10] IcemanV9: 'ls -lart' just in /var/log after the incident. [05:11] cheako: yes. it didn't show anything related to network disconnect/reconnect when i pull the power plug. [05:12] IcemanV9: It's hard to discover your peripherals with just the model number, I don't think hp ever uses the same brand wireless chip twice for a given product model number. [05:13] lspci -nn [05:13] gives both name and number. [05:13] cheako: i just want to give a good report for bug if i can see what's wrong with it. [05:13] The wifi card will be either an Intel 5100, a 5300, or some variant of Broadcom. [05:14] Network controller [0280]: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 5100 AGN [Shiloh] Network Connection [05:16] IcemanV9: What's the numeric IDs? [05:16] i know something has changed related to power and network 3 weeks ago. [05:16] hold on [05:16] 02:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 5100 AGN [Shiloh] Network Connection [8086:4237] [05:17] is that what you're asking for? [05:18] nice, my ipw2200 is at "unknown" link speed. [05:18] Or so says nm-applet. [05:20] nice... the application "report a problem..." has encountered a problem. [05:21] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/803010 Not your problem, but something to test. [05:21] Launchpad bug 803010 in linux (Ubuntu) "Intel 5100 AGN [Shiloh] [8086:4237]Wi-Fi needs reset after resume from suspend." [Undecided,Confirmed] [05:23] http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=11409346&postcount=17 Perhaps this will help you? [05:25] Another big thread about possibly your chip: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=11371497#post11371497 [05:25] 3.2.0-17-generic-pae [05:26] unfortunately, i did not save the old iso image (3 wks ago) to see what the difference. dang. [05:28] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/maverick/+source/linux-firmware/+bug/630748 A bug about the speed, if you experience issues with that kernel you should post it there and then find a 2.6.32 deb form anywhere. [05:28] Launchpad bug 630748 in module-init-tools (Ubuntu Natty) "iwlagn degrades quickly during normal wifi session" [High,Fix released] [05:28] ..and then test weather you still have this problem ;) [05:28] thx, cheako [05:29] Power Management:off <-- that shouldn't be a problem when i unplug the power [05:30] I'm not sure what that means. Could mean that the card is currently off or it could mean that the puter won't manage the cards power. [05:31] ironically, in times of bad luck, my intel card has been glitchier than some broadcom cards I've used. [05:31] I've never had a good wireless experience, save Bluetooth. [05:32] i think it means it'll power down if there is no network activity within time range. [05:32] It may also be the packet "clumping" power management. [05:32] Wifi card delivers a clump of packets, then goes to sleep for a while. [05:32] "clump" is me avoid using "bursting", which I believe has a different meaning. [05:34] burst is above a threashold, where clump is what happens to water as you add flower and the other ingredients(when making bread for example). [05:34] anyway, packet bursting is about speed. [05:35] ah: http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/networking/wi-fi-power-management-road-warriors-beware/533 [05:38] i will get alpha 1 iso image tomorrow, then i will compare the current one with alpha 1. i hope i know where to look for once i confirmed. [05:39] hmm, I wonder which is ACTUALLY more likely to work well: broadcom 4306, or Intel 2915abg? [05:40] With that Intel, I used to get: firmware error... restarting. [05:40] firmware error... restarting. [05:40] firmware error... restarting. [05:40] you get the point. [05:41] firmware error... restarting. [05:46] alright. here goes nothing. i'm unpluging the power ... [05:50] looks like it's powersave (pm-powersave.log) ... [05:54] i think it's this file, /usr/lib/pm-utils/power.d/wireless, may cause the problem. i need to see the old file from alpha1 to confirm. guess i will wait 'til tomorrow. (hates waiting period) [05:59] IcemanV9: sounds about right to me. [06:00] good to know :-) [06:00] I'd say, to try disabling it: comment out (add '#' to the beginning of) these two lines: [06:00] true) wireless_powersave on ;; [06:00] false) wireless_powersave off ;; [06:01] Near the bottom. No quotes around the '#', of course. [06:02] done. will plug the power back on ... [06:03] gdisk displays logical sector size as 52b on disk with physical sectors of 4096b... what to do? [06:03] eer 512b. [06:03] hmm [06:03] cheako: HOLLER AT YOUR manufacturer. [06:04] Samsung lies in both the Physical and Logical size fields. [06:04] WD lies only in the logical. [06:06] DanaG: Correct. [06:07] is there a place online where i can see a few backup file of /usr/lib/pm-utils/power.d/wireless? development repo or something? [06:07] firmware upgrade for WD drives? [06:07] *files [06:48] do-release-upgrade --proposed <-- does this command upgrade your machine from whatever version to the latest 12.04? Or I need something else. [06:48] Thanks [07:04] fairuz_:: are you currently on 12.04 or on a previous version? [07:05] god-zotac: previous version [07:05] fairuz_:: --proposed will upgrade to the next release that is actually released --devel-release will upgrade to 12.04 if you are on a previous version, since 12.04 is still in development [07:06] god-zotac: Can i upgrade from 10.04 -> 12.04 directly with this command? [07:07] dont think i'd want to do that [07:08] oh, will it break things ? [07:08] personally i'd want to upgrade to each release individually i.e.. 10.04 > 10.10 > 11.04 >11.10 > 12.04 [07:09] Comparing those two methods, what are the disadvantages of upgrade directly to 12.04? [07:10] so many packages have been merged or replaced between releases, you may end up with a broken set of packages when all said and done [07:10] LTS can upgrade directly to LTS; even i did not try it before [07:11] hmm.. 11.10 breaks when updating to 12.04 sometimes [07:12] no harm in trying i guess.. if it doesnt work straight away.. its probably fixable [07:12] fairuz_:: yes it can be fixed rather easily, just remove the installed packages that have no update candidate, and then install the replacement packages by hand.. that is if you run into the issue that i forsee happening [07:13] I would not do any release upgrade without a clone if it is a main OS. [07:13] i've never used LTS releases until the next LTS release personally, but things are known to happen (minor things) between just one 6 months cycle like snadge mentioned [07:14] good enough for me, I will try to upgrade directly then. :) [07:16] fairuz_:: you may want to wait until 12.04 is actually released?? [08:29] Morning all, is anyone using the ati drivers? I see the proprietary FGLRX graphics driver in additional drivers, but i also see 'proprietary FGLRX graphics driver (post-release updates) - no matter how I try I don't seem to be able to install post-release updates and with all the video problems on my new precise build i'm thinking it might be important! [08:29] This system craps out just after pvcreating 115 gpt partitions! [08:30] looks like the X clients are all stuck, but the cursor moves and switching to VT is ok. I can still use VT and top dosn't report anything now. [08:39] I've got a bunch of errors at startup [08:39] I think they're invalid, cause I messed with where /tmp was putting files [08:39] and inadvertantly made it ro [08:39] so, if Precise does store old error reports for sending, where would I find them to delete them? [09:00] Anyone knows if I there is ability to set "Window title double click action" to to Fill instead of Minimize, thoose max min close buttons looks ugly when dock is always shown and they being in the top left of the screen, seems just not right [09:10] yup, even booting a system with 115 gpt partitions causes windows not to be focusable or moveable. [09:10] cheako: 115 gpt partitions :O ? [10:38] Is Google Chrome in the repos somewhere? [10:40] chmac: google has its own official repo for chrome [10:40] other than that -> chromium [10:41] crizzy: Does the repo get installed with the .deb downloaded from google? [10:41] chmac: http://www.google.com/linuxrepositories/ [10:41] crizzy: Thanks [10:42] chmac:: yes the repo gets installed when you install the .deb if that helps :) [10:42] Sounds like chromium is the way I want to go, certain, ahem, "features" missing like "usage-tracking,"... [10:43] Yes please, I'll have my browser without every keystroke being fed to the big G [10:43] that's just overly paranoid :) [10:43] there's a checkbox in chrome for it [10:43] chmac:: also other features missing like integrated flash plugin and pdf reader [10:43] yeh, flash and pdf reader are the only real differences [10:43] god-zotac: Presumably I can still get flash to work? PDF reader I don't use in the browser anyway, so that's less of an issue. [10:44] yes [10:44] ubuntu-restricted-extras package contains flash [10:44] yea you can get them both working as far as that goes [10:44] just need the .so plugin for the pdf viewer from the same release of chrome that you use in chromium [10:44] perhaps the biggest advantage using google repos is that you get timely official chrome releases [10:44] but i run chromium on ubuntu too anyway [10:45] chrome for other platforms.. cba to hunt for random chromium builds [10:45] crizzy: you use Google Chrome ? [10:45] ^ read above [10:45] :p [10:45] ah [10:45] I opened one wwebsite which which has flash content [10:46] flash player doesn't work anymore after update for me [10:46] says missing plugin :D [10:46] :] [10:50] crizzy: you haven't had any problems like that ? [10:50] I'll run chrome as well anyway, because I don't mind having it installed. [10:50] nnope [10:51] chmac:: when you go with chromium from the ubuntu repos, you are stuck to one release schedule which is stable.. the google-chrome gives you the choice of stable, beta, and development (unstable) [10:51] though i'm still on 11.10 [10:51] But if I was to consider switching my primary browser, I'd use chromium. [10:51] tested 12.04 only briefly [10:51] god-zotac: Yeah, I had a dev version of chrome installed previously, it was always being updated. I don't use it much, just for debugging / testing, so stable is probably ok for me. [10:51] Thanks for all the feedback folks, I appreciate it. [10:52] yw, just giving you heads up, depending on the type of user you are, that info may or may not be important [10:52] Now if only my zeitgeist database hadn't borked, I could actually launch it without knowing the command! [10:52] launch what? chromium? [10:53] command would most likely be: chromium-browser or just chromium [10:54] god-zotac: Yeah, got it through terminal auto completion, google-chrome or chromium-browser. [10:54] Just installed both chromium and chrome, and flash works out of the box in chromium btw, probably because it's installed as part of chrome. [10:56] you didn't have flash plugin already installed ? [10:57] adobe-flashplugin or flashplugin-installer? [10:57] chmac: you isntall chrome stable ? [10:57] that would have made it showed up in chromium [10:59] chmac:: you can check about:plugins in the URL bar of chrom{e,ium} or chrome://plugins also it will give you detailed info on each plugin [11:00] god-zotac: Oh yeah, i did :-) [11:00] might be a good idea to check that multiple versions of flash aren't enabled, and disable all them but the most recent one, or the one that came with chrome ;) [11:04] god-zotac: Will do, thanks [11:04] np [12:11] bz [12:23] hm, 'bz' [12:23] theres something wrong with window focusing between workspaces [12:42] hey, I recently upgraded to 12.04. Now if I plug in my external screen (Dell 24") I can't use the screen of my notebook. it is turned off. xrandr shows correctly configured VGA1 and LVDS1, so I guess its a driver problem. what information should I include in a bug report [12:45] you file a bug against package you think is resposible, and describe the problem [12:46] config, specs etc are compiled into the bug report [12:46] when you use 'ubuntu-bug' tool [12:46] 'ubuntu-bug package_name' === yofel_ is now known as yofel [14:15] Hmm... ctrl+alt+up/down doesn't seem to work to switch workspaces in gnome-shell anymore [14:23] anyone running gnome-shell here? please confirm if the power-indicator is not updating when batterystatus is [14:23] ripps - in unity it's Super+Shift+Cursor Key (although i'm aware you said gnome-shell specifically) [14:23] ripps, could be down to compiz [14:23] gnome-shell doesn't use compiz, it uses mutter [14:24] but yeah, it seems it's super+shift+cursor. must be a dconf/gconf entry [14:25] Well, the Unity developers were told by upstream GNOME they shouldn't change GNOME Shell.. [14:44] what time will update rollout so I an update to beta 1? [14:45] johnjohn101, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseSchedule [14:49] amoz: I knew it was tomorrow but sometimes repos updated early [14:59] is beta 1 still expected today? [15:00] It's scheduled for tomorrow, isn't it? [15:00] !schedule [15:00] A schedule of Precise Pangolin (12.04) release milestones can be found here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PreciseReleaseSchedule [15:04] Does Precise feel broken to other folks? It's felt broken since I installed it. [15:05] Mostly, unity and window management. I routinely have to kill compiz because when I switch workspaces it crashes. [15:05] Windows regularly move from the workspace they were put onto and end up back on the leftmost or topmost workspace. [15:06] Sometimes windows start getting stuck to the bottom or the top of the screen (I think it's consistent in always being the top or the bottom, but I don't remember which). [15:06] chmac: Its in alpha stage, if its broken, it so that you can file a bug report :) [15:06] I'm thinking that maybe some of this is specific to my setup, because I can't see Precise being LTS quality ready in 2 months if not. [15:06] ironhalik: Hasn't it gone beta already? [15:07] chmac: Tommorow, and beta is stilla testing release [15:07] chmac: most people here had rather godo expirience with precise so far, including me [15:07] ironhalik: I realise that, but I'm not talking about "testing", I'm talking "broken" :-) [15:08] ironhalik: Right, I'm starting to think something must be unique to my setup. [15:08] ironhalik: Did you upgrade from a previous version? [15:08] i like pangolin a lot with the new unity changes. [15:08] ironhalik: I installed over the top of a 10.04 home directory. [15:08] chmac: what you're describing seems like more or less one bug - compiz crashing and restarting - all windows will be put on the default workspace then [15:09] chmac: I upgraded from 11.10 and it went quite smooth [15:09] ironhalik: Compiz doesn't restart, I have to kill it, then it restarts, and then yes, obviously windows reset to the first workspace. [15:09] ironhalik: If I put firefox on workspace 2 and then go to workspace 3, it moves to workspace 1. If I stay on 1 or 2, it'll stay put. [15:09] chmac: file a bug with 'ubuntu-bug compiz', it will compile your info, and ask you to describe the issue [15:09] If I open rhythmbox on workspace 6, it'll open on workspace 3. [15:10] i wonder if that's the problem i'm having with vmware player in 3d, compiz not working correctly [15:10] ironhalik: Interesting, I'm starting to think that my policy of re-installing with an existing home dir might be causing me issues. [15:10] chmac: you can always try installing it on another partition for a try [15:11] chmac: upgrading distros is supposed to be working, but I had some bad expirience with it - going 11.10 -> 12.04 was the first time it worked for me :P [15:12] ironhalik: I heard that it was one of Ubuntu's big aims. [15:12] ironhalik: I usually end up changing something, partitioning maybe, when I upgrade, so I just tar / restore the home dir and dump the rest. [15:13] ironhalik: I'm on a 128G ssd, so partitions are a scarce resource here :-) [15:13] I also insist on running gnome-panel, which I believe causes issues. [15:13] chmac: Have you tried creating another user, with fresh conf's in the home dir? [15:14] But my workflow is totally borked by unity, the bottom panel is essential. [15:14] ironhalik: I tested a few things in a guest profile, but not the windows moving, I'll try that now [15:15] If it wont work, please file a bug [15:16] If it gets confirmed, it will probably get a high priority [15:16] ironhalik: i have a launchpad acct. can you help me file a bug? I didn't see the add new issue [15:16] chmac, is it really? [15:16] johnjohn101: you do it by using the 'ubuntu-bug some_package' tool [15:16] brendand: Is the panel essential? Is that your question? [15:17] chmac, yep [15:17] thanks, ironhalik, i forgot. [15:17] chmac, i mean what do you lose (apart from a panel) [15:17] johnjohn101: also, if you type in a project name in launchpad, there will be an filing option on the right [15:18] got it [15:18] chmac, i actually used to get rid of it anway even in Maverick [15:22] brendand: I want the window list, I think that's what it's called, so I can see which windows are open on this workspace and minimise them individually. [15:23] brendand: For example, I usually have 3/4 firefox windows open on workspaces 1, 2, 3 and 4 with different purposes. [15:24] ironhalik: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/943328 [15:24] Launchpad bug 943328 in Ubuntu "pangolin vmware 4.0.2 screen in 3d does not return after host computer unlocks screen" [Undecided,New] [15:25] chmac - Super + W? [15:27] brendand: Yeah, it could be useful, but I can't tell at a glance what's running on this workspace. [15:28] brendand: I'm open to finding an alternative, I tried using straight unity for a few days after intalling precise, but I couldn't get it work efficiently. [15:31] chmac, Super+W should be just the current workspace [15:31] Ok, so turns out the panel is what's shoving my windows around. If I kill it, windows stay put. [15:32] brendand: Yes, super-w is just this workspace, but there's no way for me to glance and see what's open. [15:32] The dock doesn't tell me what's open on this workspace, only what's open across the whole system. [15:32] brendand: I end up spending ages hunting for windows, whereas I lay them out in a specific order which I know in the panel window list. [15:34] chmac, yes. that is a problem. not really anything to do with the lack of a panel though [15:34] chmac. i have a bug open about it (windows should be labelled), but it hasn't been seen to yet [15:35] Whats the best way (easiest :)) to encrypt a whole disk? [15:35] ecryptfs or ? [15:35] dupondje: Full disk encryption, it's part of the installer. [15:35] dupondje: Or you're after encrypting an external disk? [15:36] dupondje: I use both every day, so this is something I know. :-) [15:36] chmac: encrypting an existing disk :) [15:36] installer encryption uses ecryptfs ? [15:36] dupondje: Existing internal, bootable disk, or an external? [15:36] existing internal mdadm raid :p [15:36] dupondje: You have space to move the data off onto another medium? [15:37] dupondje: I'm not sure what ecryptfs is to know if the installer uses it or not. The default installer setup is an LVM inside an encrypted partition. [15:37] dupondje: Opened like `sudo cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/sda1` [15:38] brendand: Windows move around in super-w, so they need to be visually identified, which is a PITA with 3 gedit windows for example. [15:38] hmz thats not ecryptfs then :) [15:39] chmac - heh. try 15 terminals! [15:40] cryptsetup is LUKS [15:40] could someone help me determine what I need to report a bug against - running Xubuntu 12.04 - fonts are ALL set to Ubuntu Light font - but 'system settings' type windows are not using it - http://i.imgur.com/7zLPn.png [15:41] brendand: Right! [15:41] dupondje: Yeah, the installer uses LUKS, that much I do know. [15:41] dupondje: Perhaps it would be more accurate to say this is something I have experience with, not necessary "know" :-) [15:42] brendand: For example, it just took me alt-tabbing through three workspaces because I couldn't remember where I'd left this xchat window! [15:43] brendand: I have no sense of where I am or what's on this workspace without the panel, I feel lost in my desktop... :-( [15:44] chmac - but if you click on the xchat icon on the launcher it should fire you back to the right window [15:44] brendand: Right, and I've just enabled the launcher to always be visible. But I usually don't click, I type. [15:44] brendand: And xchat happens to be window 11, so there's no shortcut to jump to it. [15:47] I have super-\, super-z, super-x, etc mapped to switch to workspace 1, 2, 3, etc. When I press the key, I often end up switching workspaces and being left with the dash open. Anyone else have similar issues? [15:48] To be honest, I've never had problems with Dash opening while using 'Super' shortcuts [15:48] (but the shortcut overlay usually shows up instead) [16:19] Daekdroom: Just saw your message now, ok, thanks. [16:20] chmac, there's a bug entry on all the shortcuts that interfere with each other [16:20] Daekdroom: Ok, I dare say it'll get sorted out eventually, I usually wait for these things to sort themselves out :-) === _nyuszika7h_ is now known as nyuszika7h === _nyuszika7h_ is now known as nyuszika7h === IAmNotThatGuy is now known as M0hi [17:20] it seems new unity update from team unity ppa has changed keybindings for dash navigation [17:20] does anyone know which key to switch between lenses(tab was previously assigned)? [17:21] babai, crtl+tab? [17:21] Daekdroom: thnx man! [17:21] Hold control and press tab to change through lenses, it seems. [17:22] it works! === zniavre_ is now known as zniavre [18:11] Hmz [18:11] i'm unable to print. Any idea's ? :) [18:12] it stays locked in thequeue :p [18:19] Hi, I installed precise in a windows machine but somehow I couldn't boot windows [18:20] # grub-install /dev/sda [18:20] /usr/sbin/grub-probe: error: cannot find a device for /boot/grub (is /dev mounted?) [18:20] this is after booting from a livecd [18:30] yup, even booting a system with 115 gpt partitions causes windows not to be focusable or moveable. [18:33] Hmm, anyone knows if gnome 3.4 will hit precise? [18:36] ironhalik, some apps will be updated to 3.4, but most will not. [19:03] * glosoli back from testing Windows 8 consumer edition, after full release it might be overloaded area of users who wanna use Ubuntu and Mac Os X :) [19:04] yay [19:05] ruined my day [19:09] huh, they're turning desktop PCs into tablets :> [19:11] ironhalik: totally, that was the worst half an hour in my life. Wasted my time as worst as possible. [19:11] ArchLinux is more user friendly. :DD [19:12] If MS will put that shit on the mainstream, it might be, long awaited Linux Years [19:14] Arch _is_ user friendly [19:14] poweruser friendly ;> [19:14] ironhalik: it was irony ;D [19:14] Well, I dunno, Win8 will prolly scare the power users, but for casual people, it may not be that bad [19:15] you know, just check mail, facebook, look something up in google [19:15] ironhalik: I don't think my mom will find it's way to it or anyone else from elders :) everything is not in the place, they found everything perfect in the 7tj [19:15] 7th [19:16] ironhalik: in btw is ubuntu silent with updates for you too ? [19:16] yeah [19:16] its beta freeze [19:16] yup [19:16] I think Ill install it on my lappy, at last [19:17] just not sure how Unity will behave [19:17] and Unity2d [19:17] truth be told, Unity is kinda slow and laggy compared to gnome shell [19:17] or more, compiz compared to mutter [19:17] jtaylor: so I shouldn't expect any updates tomorrow for sure ? [19:18] glosoli: updates in seeded packages are rare now [19:18] but probably many the day after the freeze is over [19:18] = friday [19:18] jtaylor: sorry for misunderstanding, but what means seeded packages ? [19:19] mainly packages in an iso image [19:19] beta hard freeze is to keep the iso's in shape until release [19:22] jtaylor: As my english isn't perfect, I would like to ask if I understood properly ? In about Friday I can expect a lot of updates ? [19:22] glosoli: probably more than usual but still less compared to the beginning of the cycle [19:23] jtaylor: ok, just interested because nautilus is crashing like a hell [19:23] update junkies [19:24] ironhalik: what you mean by updates junkies ? :D [19:36] can't wait until beta! [19:38] johnjohn101: If youre on an update 12.04, you're pretty much already in beta [19:38] :> [19:39] i'm only running in vmware.. I will probably try to upgrade home computer tomorrow [19:41] Im thinking of installing it on my lappy [19:41] which so far is my backup machine [19:43] ironhalik: works quite fine here as a main os, but I got couple problems from time to time nautilus crashes :) login screen corruption untils logs in properly, and so on, but many of these doesn't occur with open source drivers, or nvidia probably :) ATI sucks for me [19:44] Im on OSS drivers too, for nvidia [19:44] half the 3d performance, half the issues ;> [19:45] i still don't understand why those drivers aren't open sourced [19:46] well, their decision though [19:46] * yofel gives nouveau another try [19:46] on my bootable USB, working with a large(100) number of partitions on a disk causes compiz to use 100% cpu and I'm unable to move windows. [19:46] yofel: After that give AMD/ATI a try. [19:47] I don't have an ATI card [19:47] who does 100 partitions? [19:47] only nvidia and intel [19:47] In consumer enviroment that is, I guess you wouldnt try 12.04 on anything other then that [19:47] ironhalik: GPT supports much more then 100 and the default is more then 100. [19:48] yeah, but why would you need that many [19:48] ironhalik: +1 [19:48] btw, I need to convert my data drive to ext4 :/ [19:48] I wanted each partition to fit on optical media. [19:48] huh, nice :> [19:49] * yofel thinks of his 3TB drive.... [19:49] uh, no, I probably won't try that ^^ [19:49] cheako: what's the point ? [19:49] yofel: Good guess. [19:49] Its nice for backuping [19:50] although that one uses GPT [19:50] ironhalik: why ? [19:50] glosoli: Using dm-snapshot one can backup the partitions that contain dm-crypt/luks data. [19:50] glosoli: because you should backup stuff :> [19:50] ironhalik: in 100 different partitions which are at the same HDD ? [19:51] glosoli: that way, you can deploy each partitions image to a DVD [19:51] glosoli: The data occupies a small subset of that. Perhaps 20 currently. [19:51] nice for incremental updates etc [19:52] will never understand how anyone will like to see that many partitions, I deleted Windows as dual boot, because I hate having big numbers of partitions ;D [19:53] I think the main advantage is that there is no extra overhead re-crypting the backup. [19:54] I would probably go with another 4TB drive and rsync [19:54] :> [19:54] ironhalik: and just one partition ? [19:54] you know I keep meaning to use rsync on block devices, I wonder if there is a flag to make it work? [19:55] not one, but a sane amount ;> [19:55] cheako: no idea but I would guess you could update it block by block [19:57] ironhalik: you both are insane [19:57] :D [19:57] glosoli: You should at least have var home and usr partitions and on production boxes /var/cache /var/log /usr/local and perhaps even /usr/share. [19:57] cheako: why would I :) [19:57] I'm backuping stuff [19:58]