| dholbach | good morning | 07:49 |
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| wendar | morning all | 17:02 |
| wendar | the news for the week, there is a very cool graphic design Lens coming up this week for Oneiric | 17:03 |
| wendar | it's in the ARB PPA if anyone would like a preview | 17:03 |
| wendar | https://launchpad.net/~app-review-board/+archive/staging | 17:04 |
| wendar | (It searches COLOURlovers, Deviantart, Dribbble, and Iconfinder) | 17:04 |
| wendar | I ran across this site by the Stanford Design School this week: http://dschool.stanford.edu/use-our-methods/ | 17:07 |
| wendar | Would anyone else be interested in talking through these, kind of like a "book club" for design techniques? | 17:12 |
| thorwil | at first sight, that reminds me of ideo | 17:18 |
| thorwil | wendar: not quite sure how a "book club" for design techniques would be supposed to work | 17:21 |
| wendar | thorwil: there's a good chance ideo and the stanford design school are connected, ideo has a location in Palo Alto, where Stanford is located | 17:22 |
| wendar | thorwil: I've gotten as far as thinking: I'd like to learn more about design techniques. What if I took one of those a week, studied it, practiced it. | 17:23 |
| wendar | thorwil: and then: wouldn't it be great if I could talk to others who were doing the same? | 17:23 |
| wendar | like, in a google hangout | 17:23 |
| wendar | and, when I ran out of those simple slides, maybe go on to some actual design books | 17:24 |
| thorwil | ah, like being a student ... ;) | 17:25 |
| wendar | yeah, kind of, but for fun :) | 17:25 |
| wendar | and, something interesting to talk about | 17:25 |
| thorwil | i see the appeal. meanwhile, i feel like i have enough theory and need to sink my teeth into a project (outside of work) | 17:27 |
| wendar | what kind of projects interest you? | 17:28 |
| thorwil | wendar: i have a very concrete interest in ardour. it's all about scheduling and discipline, now | 17:29 |
| thorwil | wendar: other than that, i still wonder how to spread design thinking in our circles | 17:29 |
| wendar | thorwil: ardour, as in ardour.org? | 17:30 |
| thorwil | yes | 17:30 |
| wendar | thorwil: looks like an interesting project to take on | 17:31 |
| wendar | thorwil: and, yes, I'm also wondering how to spread design thinking, but not sure how | 17:31 |
| thorwil | it already has a bit of my fingerprints on it. recent happenings in development suggest a lot to explore | 17:31 |
| wendar | thorwil: very cool | 17:32 |
| wendar | ideas spread by thinking about them, talking about them, putting them into practice | 17:33 |
| thorwil | as an example project where one could showcase process, ardour has the drawback of requiring quite a bit of context ... though maybe that's an advantage in another way | 17:33 |
| wendar | thorwil: I'd certainly be interested to see what you've done, and what you're thinking of doing next | 17:34 |
| wendar | thorwil: and even more, why you did it, and how you went about it | 17:35 |
| wendar | theory, process, result | 17:36 |
| thorwil | wendar: quite often it was iteration mockups, with most feedback via irc | 17:37 |
| thorwil | wendar: but http://thorwil.files.wordpress.com/2007/08/export_design_2007-08-11.pdf includes what could be called research | 17:38 |
| thorwil | the "result" part is a bit tricky, as the export stuff has been implemented in something like a finnish summer of code | 17:38 |
| thorwil | and it's only in ardour 3.0, currently going through betas | 17:39 |
| * wendar reading through... | 17:42 | |
| wendar | thorwil: so, you started with a user survey? then outlined the features in detail | 17:43 |
| wendar | what the features are, and why they're used | 17:44 |
| wendar | as well as the greatest requests from users | 17:44 |
| thorwil | wendar: to be precise, the start was defining what the essence is of what is to be designed. setting the scope | 17:45 |
| thorwil | pretty much what is in Introduction | 17:45 |
| wendar | which is the export dialog | 17:46 |
| wendar | and, page 7 starts looking at the current dialog in detail | 17:46 |
| wendar | with detailed notes on what could be improved | 17:47 |
| thorwil | yes, though i like to be mindful of the abstract vs concrete view, where the dialog is not the initial object and has to be questioned | 17:48 |
| wendar | explain abstract vs concrete? | 17:49 |
| thorwil | even if the answer to "do we need a dialog" seems obvious, the question has to be there | 17:49 |
| wendar | and initial object? | 17:49 |
| thorwil | the design briefing is not to design a dialog, but to design the export functionality | 17:49 |
| wendar | the abstract view, then, is to step away from the design artifact in front of your face, and think more deeply | 17:50 |
| wendar | ? | 17:50 |
| thorwil | so i try to keep design decisions out of the core of the briefing | 17:50 |
| thorwil | ah yes, artifact is helpful term here | 17:51 |
| wendar | by "initial object" you mean something like "starting point" or "root of the work"? | 17:51 |
| thorwil | yes | 17:53 |
| thorwil | recently one developer said "oh we could ask thorwil" (about a problem discussed before i went online), "but i'm sure he will come up with a good solution that will be too much work". – directly linked to being very methodically, i guess :) | 17:54 |
| thorwil | dinner, cya! | 17:54 |
| wendar | cya, thanks for the interesting chat | 17:55 |
| wendar | oh, looks like "initial object" is a term that started in mathematics | 17:55 |
| wendar | thorwil: and really, being methodical is quite necessary in design | 17:55 |
| wendar | Happy Leap Day everyone! | 18:00 |
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| thorwil | heh, i was fishing for words, my maths education is rather weak (and even now my interest there is 'limited' to what seem useful for programming | 18:28 |
| nava | What do you think about this idea ? http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/29302/ | 19:39 |
| etneg | kenvandine: hey | 20:56 |
| etneg | any update on gwibber? | 20:56 |
| kenvandine | etneg, sorry, no... i guess i really need to spend some time reviewing all the feedback and make a decision :) | 20:57 |
| kenvandine | the new artwork would be for 12.10 anyway, not 12.04 | 20:58 |
| kenvandine | etneg, thanks for everything, i promise to do that soonish... this time in the cycle is crazy | 20:58 |
| etneg | oh ok cool | 20:59 |
| etneg | if you need more, let me know | 20:59 |
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