=== bladernr_ is now known as bladernr_afk === rsalveti` is now known as rsalveti === smb` is now known as smb === doko_ is now known as doko === duanedes1gn is now known as duanedesign === yofel_ is now known as yofel === bladernr_afk is now known as bladernr_ === bladernr_ is now known as bladernr_afk === bladernr_afk is now known as bladernr_ [16:01] * slangasek waves [16:01] o/ [16:02] * ogra_ moos [16:03] #startmeeting [16:03] Meeting started Wed Feb 29 16:03:28 2012 UTC. The chair is slangasek. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. [16:03] Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired [16:04] [TOPIC] Lightning round === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Lightning round [16:04] $ echo $(shuf -e barry doko stgraber jodh ev bdmurray slangasek ogra infinity) [16:04] infinity barry stgraber ogra bdmurray slangasek doko jodh ev [16:04] infinity: looks like you get to go first for your first Foundations meeting :) [16:05] Fiiiine. [16:05] ohh man, this list is long ... [16:05] Worked on this week: - cdimage and debian-cd tweaks for ARM images and kubuntu-active - helped with general release management and queue management - filed tickets with IS for buildd precise upgrades - looked at fpc on armhf a bit more [16:05] Upcoming work: - need to chase down status of gnat on armhf with Linaro - more work on livefs-in-soyuz (rewriting from memory) - need to find time to debug the root cause of the qtwebkit-source FTBFS - finish the fpc on armhf port - dodge doko's attempts to dump the entire C toolchain on me - possibility of a (short) emergency VAC for personal reasons [16:05] Gah. [16:05] irrsi, damn you and your hatred of leading whitespace. [16:05] irssi, too. [16:05] Let's try that harder. [16:05] Worked on this week: [16:05] - cdimage and debian-cd tweaks for ARM images and kubuntu-active [16:05] - helped with general release management and queue management [16:05] - filed tickets with IS for buildd precise upgrades [16:05] - looked at fpc on armhf a bit more [16:05] Upcoming work: [16:05] - need to chase down status of gnat on armhf with Linaro [16:06] - more work on livefs-in-soyuz (rewriting from memory) [16:06] - need to find time to debug the root cause of the qtwebkit-source FTBFS [16:06] - finish the fpc on armhf port [16:06] - dodge doko's attempts to dump the entire C toolchain on me [16:06] - possibility of a (short) emergency VAC for personal reasons [16:06] There. [16:06] infinity, qtwebkit ... this is the linker needing too much memory, afaics [16:06] doko: Yes, but why? [16:07] because it's an insane amount of code? [16:07] doko: It's the same amount of code on other arches. :P [16:07] it was running out of memory on other arches too, before tweaking? [16:07] doko: Including armel, which doesn't have the issue. [16:07] infinity, yes, and webkit ftbfs on powerpc for the same reason [16:07] So, I dunno. We'll see. Maybe it can just be tweaked a bit, or maybe the linker on armhf is doing something dumb. [16:08] infinity: all done? [16:08] barry: Go nuts. [16:09] * barry can't go where he already is, but... [16:09] Go nutser. [16:09] bugs investigated, fixed, sponsored: bug 903126 (smc ftbfs), bug 903121 (crystalspace ftbfs), bug 27520 (cron multiple SRUs), bug 828731 (kexec-tools multiple SRUs), bug 848915 (update-manager without $DISPLAY), bug 556293 (apt global proxy), bug 942408 (python-support not cleaning up after upgrade). Sync'd wadllib 1.3.0-1. Also worked on Python issue 13703 (hash collision security issue) and Python 2.6.8rc1 released. To do: +1maint, [16:09] look at a few more bugs from my list, and prepping for Pycon next week. ∞ [16:09] Launchpad bug 903126 in smc (Debian) "smc 1.9-4ubuntu1 fails to build with cegui-mk2 0.7.5-7" [Unknown,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/903126 [16:09] Launchpad bug 903121 in crystalspace (Ubuntu) "crystalspace 1.4.0+dfsg-4ubuntu2 fails to build with cegui-mk2 0.7.5-7" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/903121 [16:09] Launchpad bug 27520 in cron (Ubuntu Lucid) "cron daemon caches user-non-existent lookup results, causing "ORPHAN" message and skipping jobs for all LDAP/NIS-defined users" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/27520 [16:09] Launchpad bug 828731 in kexec-tools (Ubuntu Natty) "kdump functionality not working as expected when /boot is a separate partition" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/828731 [16:09] Launchpad bug 848915 in update-manager (Ubuntu Precise) "cryptic traceback when running update-manager w/no X $DISPLAY" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/848915 [16:09] - Networking [16:09] - Blogged about the changes to DNS in 12.04: http://www.stgraber.org/2012/02/24/dns-in-ubuntu-12-04/ [16:10] - Tested and applied patch to fix netcfg's dns-nameservers handling (bug 932275) [16:10] Launchpad bug 932275 in ifupdown (Ubuntu) "Bogus or no nameserver information written to /etc/network/interfaces" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/932275 [16:10] - TPM [16:10] - Fixed bug 934799 so that trousers now installs properly [16:10] Launchpad bug 934799 in trousers (Ubuntu) "trousers start script has exit status 137" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/934799 [16:10] - Installer [16:10] - Last minute fixes of the installer slideshows (all flavours) and uploaded for beta1 [16:10] - Fixed bug 898278 and bug 936115 in ubiquity. [16:10] Launchpad bug 898278 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Precise) "Upgrade menu option should not appear for old releases" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/898278 [16:10] - Tracked down bug 939450 to a gtk regression [16:10] Launchpad bug 936115 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Precise) "ubiquity crashed with TypeError in partman_popup(): popup() takes exactly 7 arguments (6 given)" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/936115 [16:10] Launchpad bug 939450 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Precise) "ubiquity crashed with TypeError: argument of type 'NoneType' is not iterable in ubi-partman.py" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/939450 [16:10] - Uploaded a workaround for bug 645449 that in turn caused bug 942560, now woking on the right way of fixing this ... [16:10] - Also started debugging bug 940908 but it's lower priority than the other one [16:10] Launchpad bug 645449 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Precise) "Ubiquity hangs at Keyboard layout if you use keyboard to navigate / select" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/645449 [16:10] - Noticed during ISO testing that Wubi in Edubuntu doesn't allow me to install it (only offer the "reboot to live environment" option), apparently caused by broken free space calculation [16:10] Launchpad bug 942560 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "keyboard layout screen - Keyboard navigation broken" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/942560 [16:10] Launchpad bug 940908 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Precise) "Keyboard layout not set on persistent USB image" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/940908 [16:10] - Containers [16:10] - Some more Ubuntu server guide review for the LXC section [16:10] - Fixed some more bugs in the Ubuntu LXC template to do with sudo group in older releases. [16:10] - Other [16:10] - Wrote a new queuebot, currently running in #ubuntu-release [16:10] (done) [16:10] infinity, ftbfs on armel too [16:11] barry: I assigned you a couple of triaged bugs on update-manager that looked like easy wins; do you think you could get to those this week? [16:11] doko: Only due to a broken .symbols file. [16:11] slangasek: yep, their on my list for this week [16:11] doko: The link succeeds. [16:11] cheers [16:11] Worked on fix for bug 940290 (updating tests atm...) Investigating bug [16:11] 883618 - looks like "something" is calling an xdg-* command or possibly [16:11] /usr/share/acpi-support/screenblank, but tricky to pin this down due to [16:11] the time taken to perform the upgrade. Wishing we had opengrok to help [16:11] Launchpad bug 940290 in upstart "console log consumes fds upon job restart/respawn" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/940290 [16:11] track this down. :). Did some investigation on bug 935296 and [16:11] Launchpad bug 935296 in java-atk-wrapper (Ubuntu Precise) "java-atk-wrapper prevents java applications from starting" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/935296 [16:11] established bug is with AT-SPI/ATK. [16:11] ⌛ [16:12] slangasek: if you have a preference for priority, pvtmsg me your list [16:13] barry: ack [16:13] ogra_: you're up [16:13] jodh, is serial console support still on your list ? [16:13] done: [16:13] * started researching why ubiquity kde bits end up on ac100 images [16:13] * look into bug #924018 (Preseeding doesn't work with oem-config) ... made sure preseed values get applied at all, now on to why oem-config doesnt pick up [16:13] * tried to spend a little time with bug #747229 (screen color change when oem-config-remove runs in serial consoles) [16:13] * closed a handfull of bugs in the "rotting ubuntu-arm bugs" list, ongoing process [16:13] * started researching why the keyboard selection gets completely skipped in oem-config in some preinstalled images (bug #925482) [16:14] Launchpad bug 924018 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Preseeding doesn't work with oem-config" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/924018 [16:14] Launchpad bug 747229 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Precise) "weird color change during oem-config debconf package removal step in serial installs" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/747229 [16:14] Launchpad bug 925482 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Precise) "no keboard selection offered in oem-config on precise ac100 images" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/925482 [16:14] * did general image testing for omap4 and ac100 as well as typical milestone paperwork (tech preview wiki, manifest etc) [16:14] todo: [16:14] * fix whatever causes the kde bits to show up [16:14] * more oem-config bugwork [16:14] * stopwatch initrdless boot [16:14] * look across the armel ftbfs list [16:14] .. [16:14] ogra_: Which kde bits? [16:14] infinity, well, ubiquity-frontend-kde and all its deps end up on the ac100 images [16:15] not sure why ... but its pretty visible since akonadi is the first app in the unity app lens now :P [16:15] they also dont get removed [16:15] .. [16:15] bug triage of iso-testing bug reports [16:15] bug triage of update-manager bug reports [16:15] discussion with mvo regarding NvidiaDetection and datadir and distribution upgrades (fixed) [16:16] ogra_: I'll poke at it, it's my code breaking. :P [16:16] you sure ? [16:16] *nod* [16:16] modifications to the bug pattern for bug 541595 to avoid incorrect dupication [16:16] ogra_: it's in there somewhere. I'll see if I can sift it slightly [16:16] closer to the surface. [16:16] [16:16] [16:16] Launchpad bug 541595 in dpkg (Ubuntu) "[Master] package failed to install/upgrade: package is already installed and configured" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/541595 [16:16] bug bot fix for no package bugs without a SourcePackage line in the bug description [16:16] wrote launchpadlib code to show the 20 hottest bugs about packages to which the foundations team is subscribed [16:16] blog post regarding recent package bug tasks charts [16:16] infinity, i was suspecting ac100-tarball-installer vs jasper [16:16] experimentation with recent package bug tasks and showing duplicate bugs [16:16] experimented with recent bug tasks graph changes (periods show 1-7 and 8-14) [16:16] created a bugs receiving duplicates chart [16:16] troubleshooting an mdadm recovery issue - bug 925280 [16:16] push ubiquity apport package hook modifications to fix bug 874727 [16:16] call with evan regarding crash database [16:16] Launchpad bug 925280 in mdadm (Ubuntu) "Software RAID fails to rebuild after testing degraded cold boot" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/925280 [16:16] Launchpad bug 874727 in apport (Ubuntu Precise) "media error bug report blocking is incomplete" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/874727 [16:17] ␗ [16:17] bdmurray: hmm, is there more than one "already installed and configured" bug, or was the bug pattern duping things that were altogether unrelated? [16:17] infinity, both the bfd and the gold linker fail to link this [16:17] slangasek: no, not altogether unrelated - just a bit overzealous [16:18] slangasek: it was a small number of incorrect dupes and I fixed the most recent ones [16:18] ok [16:18] doko: Ahh, I hadn't tested with gold yet (though I note that the build is attempting to use gold and failing to do so... Do we not carry the --with-ld GCC patch?) [16:19] infinity, use -B/usr/lib/gold-ld to use gold [16:19] /usr/bin/ld: fatal error: libQtWebKit.so.4.9.0: mmap: failed to allocate 4275704736 bytes for output file: Cannot allocate memory [16:19] collect2: ld returned 1 exit status [16:20] bdmurray: I don't think I've seen this hottest-bugs list yet - anything interesting there? [16:20] * worked on: [16:20] * ARM team hand-off [16:20] * driving discussion with Debian about upstart [16:20] * beta-1 tending [16:20] * NFS fixes (bug #939232) [16:20] Launchpad bug 939232 in libnfsidmap (Ubuntu) "nfs mount fails and rpc.idmapd fails" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/939232 [16:20] * resolvconf: cope with historically broken netcfg. (bug #932275) [16:21] Launchpad bug 932275 in ifupdown (Ubuntu) "Bogus or no nameserver information written to /etc/network/interfaces" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/932275 [16:21] * upload activity-log-manager to fix an upgrade issue (bug #939842) [16:21] Launchpad bug 939842 in activity-log-manager (Ubuntu) "package activity-log-manager-control-center 0.9.1-0ubuntu2 failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite '/etc/dbus-1/system.d/com.ubuntu.WhoopsiePreferences.conf', which is also in package whoopsie 0.1.10" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/939842 [16:21] * upcoming: [16:21] * planning finalized for virtual sprint (Mar 19-21) [16:21] slangasek: that's for later! the hottest bug is twice as hot as the 2nd hottest and we should sort it out [16:21] (done) [16:21] ogra_: Definitely my bug. Fixing. [16:22] bdmurray: ok :) [16:22] - integrated icedtea-web pages upstream, update package to current 1.2 branch [16:22] - update and integrate cjk font patches into openjdk-6 and -7 [16:22] - investigate test suite hang in openjdk-6, ix86 only, for now just disable the tests [16:22] - gcc-4.6.3~rc1 packaging [16:22] - prepare gcc-linaro updates based on the existing 2012.02 release [16:22] - cherry pick gcc-linaro ARM patches from Linaro [16:22] - help janimo to investigate the chromium build failure on armhf [16:22] - investigate and forward some general gcc-4.6 ICEs (ppl, webkit) [16:22] - investigate qtwebkit-source build failures on ARM [16:22] - prepare eglibc debian merge (libc6-dbg multiarch installability for non-ARM) [16:22] - dump eglibc on adconrad, do it right! [16:22] (done, but still dumping ;) [16:22] * slangasek eyes the snow [16:23] * infinity doesn't see anyone named adconrad. [16:23] heh [16:24] and jodh went and ev is on the list but is at conference today [16:24] that's a fake dump so that you are not prepared for the real one ;-P [16:24] [TOPIC] Bugz === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Bugz [16:25] so our hottest bug is bug 659438 [16:25] Launchpad bug 659438 in apt (Ubuntu) "Installation/Removal fails because of package which could not be located (failure in apt.Cache.required_download)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/659438 [16:26] I believe there is some bug status confusion on it [16:26] bdmurray: And if it didn't OOPS LP, we could look at it. [16:26] it worked for me [16:26] Three timeouts in a row for me. [16:26] Oh well. [16:26] use +text [16:27] if you want the gist of it [16:27] Ahh, it just rendered on the fourth go. [16:27] hmm, some dupes there [16:28] only dupe 903269 has apport data and is from precise === Ursinha` is now known as Ursinha [16:28] I wonder if we should just set that as the master bug [16:30] It might also be that its the same traceback but a different bug [16:31] could be [16:31] ogra_: (Fix committed and uploaded, BTW) [16:31] merci ! [16:31] * ogra_ strikes it off his todo [16:32] bdmurray: followed up on the bug and dropped the "fix committed" [16:32] er no [16:32] attempted to, but now I've hit an lp timeout ;) [16:32] bdmurray: I'll try to follow up on that asynchronously then. what else do you have for bugs? [16:33] ok that's way too much white stuff falling from the sky [16:33] bug 941922 - I couldn't decide how important that should be [16:33] Launchpad bug 941922 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "do-release-upgrade races puppet for file contents" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/941922 [16:34] bdmurray: hmm, I'd say medium at most [16:35] seems like people using puppet should be disabling it during a dist-upgrade, no? [16:35] I'm inclined to say that automagic configuration management and package managers just plain can't run concurrently. [16:35] the definitely should turn off puppet or any other configuration management tool during upgrade [16:35] *they [16:35] Not sure if that's something that should be fixed in apt/dpkg/rpm/etc/etc, or just in puppet (or in the minds of admins) [16:35] bdmurray: about #659438> do the reproduce steps actually work? [16:36] mvo: the test case in that? I haven't tried that yet but can today. [16:36] stgraber, well, as ugly as it is, then there should probably a debconf note telling them [16:36] we *could* turn off pupett automatically before the upgrade if that is something that people want, I'm just not sure that this is uncontroversial [16:37] bdmurray: that would be great, TBH the instruction does not look correct to me but I may be wrong about it [16:37] (like we do on libc upgrades) [16:37] mvo: Sure, you could do it in a high level tool like update-manager, but that still feels like it's broken for low-level package management. [16:37] * mvo nods at infinity [16:38] mvo: Maybe what this really wants is puppet shipping an apt-utils hook that turns itself off and on. [16:38] that sounds sane to me [16:38] mvo: Still doesn't cover the dpkg case, but it covers most everything else. === bladernr_ is now known as bladernr_afk [16:38] infinity: good point, that sounds like the best way forward, dpkg::{pre,post}-invoke [16:39] * infinity nods. === bladernr_afk is now known as bladernr_ [16:39] so we can reassign it to puppet and let the server team decide the severity? :) [16:39] And a dependency on apt-utils, so it works. (or is apt-utils no longer required for dpkg::-invoke hooks?) [16:39] the invoke hooks should work without apt-utils [16:40] Oh, shiny. [16:40] Even better, then. [16:40] Feels like the cleanest solution to me, short of doing it at the dpkg level. [16:40] * mvo tries to think of a reason why it wouldn't but fails and gets more tea to keep the engine running [16:40] mvo, infinity: one of you want to reassign to puppet with that explanation? [16:40] What about the case where an admin runs do-release-upgrade by [16:40] mistake? Wouldn't it be better to have the command print a warning an [16:40] exit until admins intervene to manually switch off puppet/cfengine/bcfg2/etc? [16:40] [16:40] s/an/and/ [16:41] jodh: if you run "do-release-upgrade" by mistake, you get to keep both pieces [16:41] jodh: Well, with the apt hook solution, there's no real need for warning. puppet just gets disabled (and re-enabled) every time apt runs. [16:41] we're not responsible for our users hiring minimally competent sysadmins ;) [16:41] jodh: if we go with the suggestion from infinity that would be fine because puttet would shutdown when dpkg is invoked by apt which it should. and if at this point it was still a mistake there are more problems :) [16:42] slangasek: I can follow up on the bug post-meeting, since mvo seems to have remained silent. :P [16:42] infinity: thanks :-) [16:42] infinity: I was about to say that I can do it but you deserve credit for the plan so … ;) [16:43] bdmurray: any more? [16:43] If a system is being managed by puppet, is it ever valid to run [16:43] do-release-upgrade though? [16:43] [16:43] bug 942030 [16:43] Launchpad bug 942030 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "'Take a photo' preview pane not showing live preview" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/942030 [16:43] jodh: Sure. [16:44] jodh: d-r-u is just a flimsy wrapper around apt. In the best case (ie: if we don't have horrible bugs we're hiding and working around in update-manager), it literally does nothing but install and remove packages. :P [16:44] bdmurray: I guess I'll take that one once I'm done with the keyboard stuff then, will need to figure out a way to expose a webcam to kvm ;) [16:44] jodh: And if "running apt" is an invalid thing for puppet users to do, there's a problem. [16:44] heh [16:45] that's all then [16:47] [TOPIC] Patch piloting === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Patch piloting [16:48] just as dholbach leaves ;) [16:48] :) [16:48] Well timed. [16:48] I know I missed my last pilot session due to connectivity issues while I was at Connect. :/ [16:49] just to reiterate... we need to make sure patch piloting is happening, to keep contributions flowing in [16:49] our track record on this has not been great [16:49] if circumstances prevent you from piloting on your assigned day (because it overlaps with a conference for example), by all means swap days [16:50] doko: looks like you're scheduled to patch pilot tomorrow - is that going to work ok? [16:50] urgh [16:50] yeah, will try to start early [16:51] regarding patches I also wanted to mention https://bugs.launchpad.net/~foundations-bugs/+patches [16:53] bdmurray: do you know if that list is going up/down? [16:54] slangasek: I would guess up but don't have numbers right in front of me [16:54] that's a good list of bugs for folks to draw on as well when patch piloting, anyway - probably a lot of these (particularly the older ones) should have the patch tag dropped because they don't really fix the bug [16:54] maybe stgraber wants to review the patch in bug #20420 :) [16:54] Launchpad bug 20420 in netcfg (Ubuntu) "default to wired network interface if connected" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/20420 [16:55] any other concerns on patch piloting? [16:55] [TOPIC] AOB === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: AOB [16:55] or other business? [16:56] #endmeeting === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology [16:56] Meeting ended Wed Feb 29 16:56:24 2012 UTC. [16:56] Minutes (wiki): http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-02-29-16.03.moin.txt [16:56] Minutes (html): http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-02-29-16.03.html [16:56] done [16:56] thanks :) [16:56] thanks ! [16:56] thanks! [16:56] thanks! [17:01] /q slangasek [17:01] [17:01] [17:01] [17:03] let's get started shall we? [17:03] #startmeeting Ubuntu QA [17:03] Meeting started Wed Feb 29 17:03:25 2012 UTC. The chair is balloons. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. [17:03] Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | Ubuntu QA Meeting | Current topic: [17:03] can we get a roll call of who's around [17:03] o/ [17:05] could be a short meeting :/ [17:05] heh [17:05] o/ [17:05] o/ [17:06] alrighty.. well let's dive into the agenda [17:06] there was one outstanding item, for me to update the wiki [17:06] ACTION: balloons to update QA Team wiki heading [17:06] i wanted to add an activities icon [17:06] I seem to only be successful at breaking the header page [17:07] cproffit from ubuntu-begginers helped me when I got stuck with the new lubuntu header [17:08] phillw, awesome, I'll consult him.. expect to see that today after the meeting [17:08] i picked the <3 icon for activities [17:08] hehe [17:08] [TOPIC] Ubuntu Updates === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | Ubuntu QA Meeting | Current topic: Ubuntu Updates [17:09] jibel, are you around? [17:09] hey [17:09] hello :-) care to update us on ubuntu qa activities this week? [17:10] sure, Precise Beta 1 testing in progress [17:10] list of images that need testing http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/208/builds [17:11] a bunch of bugs has been found http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/reports/defects/opened [17:11] major bugs with the installer and the live session are: [17:11] bug 940908 [17:11] Launchpad bug 940908 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Precise) "Keyboard layout not set on persistent USB image" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/940908 [17:11] bug 939450 [17:11] Launchpad bug 939450 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Precise) "ubiquity crashed with TypeError: argument of type 'NoneType' is not iterable in ubi-partman.py" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/939450 [17:11] bug 942560 [17:12] Launchpad bug 942560 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "keyboard layout screen - Keyboard navigation broken" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/942560 [17:12] o/ [17:12] yes brendand ? [17:12] and bug 942030 [17:12] http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/208/builds/12727/testcases [17:12] Launchpad bug 942030 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "'Take a photo' preview pane not showing live preview" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/942030 [17:12] http://launchpad.net/bugs/942573 [17:12] Launchpad bug 942573 in xubuntu-default-settings (Ubuntu) "Network connections indicator not shown" [Undecided,Fix released] [17:12] is in xubuntu, but marked against an ubuntu testcase?? [17:13] right, I saw that but didn't talk to primes2h yet [17:15] on the image testing side, a tester reported a hang on the keyboard layout screen on the second stage of an OEM install [17:15] I've been unable to reproduce, it be nice if we could have more testers to validate that if it is a local issue or not [17:16] jibel, can we draft some of this up into a mail for the qa list? I'll also send a tweet on status [17:16] apart from that, beta 1 should be released tomorrow, that's plenty of hours for more coverage [17:16] balloons, ok [17:16] thanks jibel! [17:16] .. [17:17] Alright, let's talk about flavors now [17:17] [TOPIC] Ubuntu Flavor Updates === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | Ubuntu QA Meeting | Current topic: Ubuntu Flavor Updates [17:17] lubuntu first, how's that [17:17] http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/reports/bugs/938472 [17:18] We're all over it like a rash, this was caused by it's a change on GTK3 3.2.1 syntax and theme standards (I'm angry because of so many changes, they won't make any standard if it goes that way) and Unico 1.0.1 (some textures changes, too). [17:18] Which pulled the rug from under lubuntu for a week. [17:19] a rough patch is hoped for today, and then all the isos will need respinning. [17:19] yikes [17:19] IMHO, it was an epic fail via QA for this to happen. We had no warning nor information. Just black screens. [17:21] alrighty. good luck, I'm looking at the screenshot of the issue [17:21] thata's no fun.. and very vague as to what could be the issue [17:21] so, the request is - is there any way to stop this in thre future? [17:21] glad you isolated it [17:21] our graphics guy is proud of his work and was gutted over it :( [17:22] :-( that's no good at all [17:22] I feel like the future for stopping this is doing more testing of key components before they entire the archive [17:22] the only other thing to note is the ppc *may* not be working on G3 macs, but until we can actually install it's hard for our few testers to test :( [17:23] I'll sidebar for a moment to mention this list: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/DesktopCriticalPackages [17:23] o/ [17:23] sure, go ahead brendand [17:23] is lubuntu being iso tested? [17:23] in jenkins? [17:24] I'm not sure phillw ? jibel? [17:25] balloons: I know very little about jenkins [17:26] balloons, we test ubuntu, but the code we use for testing is available if you want to run it on your own infrastructure [17:26] https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-server-iso-testing-dev/ubuntu-server-iso-testing/trunk [17:27] brendand, do you feel like having jenkins on this would have helped in this case? [17:27] is that the answer going forward? [17:27] balloons, well it looks like an integration issue to me [17:28] balloons, as in Gtk didn't break itself , it broke something else [17:28] k, let;s move this discussion to the mailing list.. phillw it looks like there may be a way to improve QA for future [17:28] thanks. [17:29] i'm sure brendand and jibel will speak more about it there [17:29] balloons, in this case, for ubuntu, we don't have tests that cover the rendering of the UI and similar defects are found with manual testing [17:29] jibel, thanks for the info. it certainly depends on what your coverage is [17:29] ok, how about kubuntu? [17:29] but the plan is to be able to do this type of test with the next testing framework we are working on [17:29] phillw - i have an idea to share. on the mailing list - if you can send a message to get things rolling [17:30] brendand: looking good for beta I think [17:30] we have kubuntu-active images yet but nobody has tested and almost certainly they don't do anything [17:32] yes.. any thoughts on getting hardware to try those out? will they be a published image for 12.04, or just ? [17:35] Riddell, thoughts on what will be happening with the kubuntu-active images? [17:36] balloons: it'll be a "tech preview" at best [17:36] ok, makes sens [17:36] if we get it going that's nice, if not then we won't worry too much [17:36] awesome.. anything else? [17:37] alrighty, let's move on to ubuntu studio.. anyone about care to update us? [17:38] no one about.. :-) [17:39] how about edubuntu? [17:40] lastly, any updates from xubuntu? [17:41] heh.. kk.. Let's move on [17:41] we've got alot to chat about [17:42] [TOPIC] Other topics === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | Ubuntu QA Meeting | Current topic: Other topics [17:42] o/ [17:42] yes brendand ? [17:42] ok [17:42] manual testing [17:42] balloons, love what you're doing with checkbox [17:42] however [17:43] the whole story around creating test cases is really messy [17:43] we have a wiki, but it's not complete [17:43] we have a spreadsheet, i'm not sure if that's complete [17:43] we're looking at case conductor [17:43] and now you can also submit jobs to checkbox [17:44] (the checkbox-app-testing branch to be precise) [17:44] brendand, yep your correct on all those things [17:44]