[16:01]  * slangasek waves
[16:01] <infinity> o/
[16:02]  * ogra_ moos
[16:03] <slangasek> #startmeeting
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[16:04] <slangasek> [TOPIC] Lightning round
[16:04] <slangasek> $ echo $(shuf -e barry doko stgraber jodh ev bdmurray slangasek ogra infinity)
[16:04] <slangasek> infinity barry stgraber ogra bdmurray slangasek doko jodh ev
[16:04] <slangasek> infinity: looks like you get to go first for your first Foundations meeting :)
[16:05] <infinity> Fiiiine.
[16:05] <doko> ohh man, this list is long ...
[16:05] <infinity> Worked on this week: - cdimage and debian-cd tweaks for ARM images and kubuntu-active - helped with general release management and queue management - filed tickets with IS for buildd precise upgrades - looked at fpc on armhf a bit more
[16:05] <infinity> Upcoming work: - need to chase down status of gnat on armhf with Linaro - more work on livefs-in-soyuz (rewriting from memory) - need to find time to debug the root cause of the qtwebkit-source FTBFS - finish the fpc on armhf port - dodge doko's attempts to dump the entire C toolchain on me - possibility of a (short) emergency VAC for personal reasons
[16:05] <infinity> Gah.
[16:05] <infinity> irrsi, damn you and your hatred of leading whitespace.
[16:05] <infinity> irssi, too.
[16:05] <infinity> Let's try that harder.
[16:05] <infinity> Worked on this week:
[16:05] <infinity> - cdimage and debian-cd tweaks for ARM images and kubuntu-active
[16:05] <infinity> - helped with general release management and queue management
[16:05] <infinity> - filed tickets with IS for buildd precise upgrades
[16:05] <infinity> - looked at fpc on armhf a bit more
[16:05] <infinity> Upcoming work:
[16:05] <infinity> - need to chase down status of gnat on armhf with Linaro
[16:06] <infinity> - more work on livefs-in-soyuz (rewriting from memory)
[16:06] <infinity> - need to find time to debug the root cause of the qtwebkit-source FTBFS
[16:06] <infinity> - finish the fpc on armhf port
[16:06] <infinity> - dodge doko's attempts to dump the entire C toolchain on me
[16:06] <infinity> - possibility of a (short) emergency VAC for personal reasons
[16:06] <infinity> There.
[16:06] <doko> infinity, qtwebkit ... this is the linker needing too much memory, afaics
[16:06] <infinity> doko: Yes, but why?
[16:07] <doko> because it's an insane amount of code?
[16:07] <infinity> doko: It's the same amount of code on other arches. :P
[16:07] <slangasek> it was running out of memory on other arches too, before tweaking?
[16:07] <infinity> doko: Including armel, which doesn't have the issue.
[16:07] <doko> infinity, yes, and webkit ftbfs on powerpc for the same reason
[16:07] <infinity> So, I dunno.  We'll see.  Maybe it can just be tweaked a bit, or maybe the linker on armhf is doing something dumb.
[16:08] <barry> infinity: all done?
[16:08] <infinity> barry: Go nuts.
[16:09]  * barry can't go where he already is, but...
[16:09] <infinity> Go nutser.
[16:09] <barry> bugs investigated, fixed, sponsored: bug 903126 (smc ftbfs), bug 903121 (crystalspace ftbfs), bug 27520 (cron multiple SRUs), bug 828731 (kexec-tools multiple SRUs), bug 848915 (update-manager without $DISPLAY), bug 556293 (apt global proxy), bug 942408 (python-support not cleaning up after upgrade).  Sync'd wadllib 1.3.0-1.  Also worked on Python issue 13703 (hash collision security issue) and Python 2.6.8rc1 released.  To do: +1maint,
[16:09] <barry> look at a few more bugs from my list, and prepping for Pycon next week.  ∞
[16:09] <stgraber> - Networking
[16:09] <stgraber>  - Blogged about the changes to DNS in 12.04: http://www.stgraber.org/2012/02/24/dns-in-ubuntu-12-04/
[16:10] <stgraber>  - Tested and applied patch to fix netcfg's dns-nameservers handling (bug 932275)
[16:10] <stgraber> - TPM
[16:10] <stgraber>  - Fixed bug 934799 so that trousers now installs properly
[16:10] <stgraber> - Installer
[16:10] <stgraber>  - Last minute fixes of the installer slideshows (all flavours) and uploaded for beta1
[16:10] <stgraber>  - Fixed bug 898278 and bug 936115 in ubiquity.
[16:10] <stgraber>  - Tracked down bug 939450 to a gtk regression
[16:10] <stgraber>  - Uploaded a workaround for bug 645449 that in turn caused bug 942560, now woking on the right way of fixing this ...
[16:10] <stgraber>  - Also started debugging bug 940908 but it's lower priority than the other one
[16:10] <stgraber>  - Noticed during ISO testing that Wubi in Edubuntu doesn't allow me to install it (only offer the "reboot to live environment" option), apparently caused by broken free space calculation
[16:10] <stgraber> - Containers
[16:10] <stgraber>  - Some more Ubuntu server guide review for the LXC section
[16:10] <stgraber>  - Fixed some more bugs in the Ubuntu LXC template to do with sudo group in older releases.
[16:10] <stgraber> - Other
[16:10] <stgraber>  - Wrote a new queuebot, currently running in #ubuntu-release
[16:10] <stgraber> (done)
[16:10] <doko> infinity, ftbfs on armel too
[16:11] <slangasek> barry: I assigned you a couple of triaged bugs on update-manager that looked like easy wins; do you think you could get to those this week?
[16:11] <infinity> doko: Only due to a broken .symbols file.
[16:11] <barry> slangasek: yep, their on my list for this week
[16:11] <infinity> doko: The link succeeds.
[16:11] <slangasek> cheers
[16:11] <jodh> Worked on fix for bug 940290 (updating tests atm...) Investigating bug
[16:11] <jodh> 883618 - looks like "something" is calling an xdg-* command or possibly
[16:11] <jodh> /usr/share/acpi-support/screenblank, but tricky to pin this down due to
[16:11] <jodh> the time taken to perform the upgrade. Wishing we had opengrok to help
[16:11] <jodh> track this down. :). Did some investigation on bug 935296 and
[16:11] <jodh> established bug is with AT-SPI/ATK.
[16:11] <jodh> ⌛
[16:12] <barry> slangasek: if you have a preference for priority, pvtmsg me your list
[16:13] <slangasek> barry: ack
[16:13] <slangasek> ogra_: you're up
[16:13] <ogra_> jodh, is serial console support still on your list ?
[16:13] <ogra_> done:
[16:13] <ogra_> * started researching why ubiquity kde bits end up on ac100 images
[16:13] <ogra_> * look into bug #924018 (Preseeding doesn't work with oem-config) ... made sure preseed values get applied at all, now on to why oem-config doesnt pick up
[16:13] <ogra_> * tried to spend a little time with bug #747229 (screen color change when oem-config-remove runs in serial consoles)
[16:13] <ogra_> * closed a handfull of bugs in the "rotting ubuntu-arm bugs" list, ongoing process
[16:13] <ogra_> * started researching why the keyboard selection gets completely skipped in oem-config in some preinstalled images (bug #925482)
[16:14] <ogra_> * did general image testing for omap4 and ac100 as well as typical milestone paperwork (tech preview wiki, manifest etc)
[16:14] <ogra_> todo:
[16:14] <ogra_> * fix whatever causes the kde bits to show up
[16:14] <ogra_> * more oem-config bugwork
[16:14] <ogra_> * stopwatch initrdless boot
[16:14] <ogra_> * look across the armel ftbfs list
[16:14] <ogra_> ..
[16:14] <infinity> ogra_: Which kde bits?
[16:14] <ogra_> infinity, well, ubiquity-frontend-kde and all its deps end up on the ac100 images
[16:15] <ogra_> not sure why ... but its pretty visible since akonadi is the first app in the unity app lens now :P
[16:15] <ogra_> they also dont get removed
[16:15] <ogra_> ..
[16:15] <bdmurray> bug triage of iso-testing bug reports
[16:15] <bdmurray> bug triage of update-manager bug reports
[16:15] <bdmurray> discussion with mvo regarding NvidiaDetection and datadir and distribution upgrades (fixed)
[16:16] <infinity> ogra_: I'll poke at it, it's my code breaking. :P
[16:16] <ogra_> you sure ?
[16:16] <infinity> *nod*
[16:16] <bdmurray> modifications to the bug pattern for bug 541595 to avoid incorrect dupication
[16:16] <jodh> ogra_: it's in there somewhere. I'll see if I can sift it slightly
[16:16] <jodh> closer to the surface.
[16:16] <jodh>  
[16:16] <jodh>  
[16:16] <bdmurray> bug bot fix for no package bugs without a SourcePackage line in the bug description
[16:16] <bdmurray> wrote launchpadlib code to show the 20 hottest bugs about packages to which the foundations team is subscribed
[16:16] <bdmurray> blog post regarding recent package bug tasks charts
[16:16] <ogra_> infinity, i was suspecting ac100-tarball-installer vs jasper
[16:16] <bdmurray> experimentation with recent package bug tasks and showing duplicate bugs
[16:16] <bdmurray> experimented with recent bug tasks graph changes (periods show 1-7 and 8-14)
[16:16] <bdmurray> created a bugs receiving duplicates chart
[16:16] <bdmurray> troubleshooting an mdadm recovery issue - bug 925280
[16:16] <bdmurray> push ubiquity apport package hook modifications to fix bug 874727
[16:16] <bdmurray> call with evan regarding crash database
[16:17] <bdmurray> ␗
[16:17] <slangasek> bdmurray: hmm, is there more than one "already installed and configured" bug, or was the bug pattern duping things that were altogether unrelated?
[16:17] <doko> infinity, both the bfd and the gold linker fail to link this
[16:17] <bdmurray> slangasek: no, not altogether unrelated - just a bit overzealous
[16:18] <bdmurray> slangasek: it was a small number of incorrect dupes and I fixed the most recent ones
[16:18] <slangasek> ok
[16:18] <infinity> doko: Ahh, I hadn't tested with gold yet (though I note that the build is attempting to use gold and failing to do so... Do we not carry the --with-ld GCC patch?)
[16:19] <doko> infinity, use -B/usr/lib/gold-ld to use gold
[16:19] <doko> /usr/bin/ld: fatal error: libQtWebKit.so.4.9.0: mmap: failed to allocate 4275704736 bytes for output file: Cannot allocate memory
[16:19] <doko> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
[16:20] <slangasek> bdmurray: I don't think I've seen this hottest-bugs list yet - anything interesting there?
[16:20] <slangasek> * worked on:
[16:20] <slangasek>  * ARM team hand-off
[16:20] <slangasek>  * driving discussion with Debian about upstart
[16:20] <slangasek>  * beta-1 tending
[16:20] <slangasek>  * NFS fixes (bug #939232)
[16:20] <slangasek>  * resolvconf: cope with historically broken netcfg. (bug #932275)
[16:21] <slangasek>  * upload activity-log-manager to fix an upgrade issue (bug #939842)
[16:21] <slangasek> * upcoming:
[16:21] <slangasek>  * planning finalized for virtual sprint (Mar 19-21)
[16:21] <bdmurray> slangasek: that's for later!  the hottest bug is twice as hot as the 2nd hottest and we should sort it out
[16:21] <slangasek> (done)
[16:21] <infinity> ogra_: Definitely my bug.  Fixing.
[16:22] <slangasek> bdmurray: ok :)
[16:22] <doko> - integrated icedtea-web pages upstream, update package to current 1.2 branch
[16:22] <doko> - update and integrate cjk font patches into openjdk-6 and -7
[16:22] <doko> - investigate test suite hang in openjdk-6, ix86 only, for now just disable the tests
[16:22] <doko> - gcc-4.6.3~rc1 packaging
[16:22] <doko> - prepare gcc-linaro updates based on the existing 2012.02 release
[16:22] <doko> - cherry pick gcc-linaro ARM patches from Linaro
[16:22] <doko> - help janimo to investigate the chromium build failure on armhf
[16:22] <doko> - investigate and forward some general gcc-4.6 ICEs (ppl, webkit)
[16:22] <doko> - investigate qtwebkit-source build failures on ARM
[16:22] <doko> - prepare eglibc debian merge (libc6-dbg multiarch installability for non-ARM)
[16:22] <doko> - dump eglibc on adconrad, do it right!
[16:22] <doko> (done, but still dumping ;)
[16:22]  * slangasek eyes the snow
[16:23]  * infinity doesn't see anyone named adconrad.
[16:23] <slangasek> heh
[16:24] <slangasek> and jodh went and ev is on the list but is at conference today
[16:24] <doko> that's a fake dump so that you are not prepared for the real one ;-P
[16:24] <slangasek> [TOPIC] Bugz
[16:25] <bdmurray> so our hottest bug is bug 659438
[16:26] <bdmurray> I believe there is some bug status confusion on it
[16:26] <infinity> bdmurray: And if it didn't OOPS LP, we could look at it.
[16:26] <slangasek> it worked for me
[16:26] <infinity> Three timeouts in a row for me.
[16:26] <infinity> Oh well.
[16:26] <bdmurray> use +text
[16:27] <bdmurray> if you want the gist of it
[16:27] <infinity> Ahh, it just rendered on the fourth go.
[16:27] <ogra_> hmm, some dupes there
[16:28] <bdmurray> only dupe 903269 has apport data and is from precise
[16:28] <slangasek> I wonder if we should just set that as the master bug
[16:30] <bdmurray> It might also be that its the same traceback but a different bug
[16:31] <slangasek> could be
[16:31] <infinity> ogra_: (Fix committed and uploaded, BTW)
[16:31] <ogra_> merci !
[16:31]  * ogra_ strikes it off his todo
[16:32] <slangasek> bdmurray: followed up on the bug and dropped the "fix committed"
[16:32] <slangasek> er no
[16:32] <slangasek> attempted to, but now I've hit an lp timeout ;)
[16:32] <slangasek> bdmurray: I'll try to follow up on that asynchronously then.  what else do you have for bugs?
[16:33] <slangasek> ok that's way too much white stuff falling from the sky
[16:33] <bdmurray> bug 941922 - I couldn't decide how important that should be
[16:34] <slangasek> bdmurray: hmm, I'd say medium at most
[16:35] <slangasek> seems like people using puppet should be disabling it during a dist-upgrade, no?
[16:35] <infinity> I'm inclined to say that automagic configuration management and package managers just plain can't run concurrently.
[16:35] <stgraber> the definitely should turn off puppet or any other configuration management tool during upgrade
[16:35] <stgraber> *they
[16:35] <infinity> Not sure if that's something that should be fixed in apt/dpkg/rpm/etc/etc, or just in puppet (or in the minds of admins)
[16:35] <mvo> bdmurray: about #659438> do the reproduce steps actually work?
[16:36] <bdmurray> mvo: the test case in that?  I haven't tried that yet but can today.
[16:36] <ogra_> stgraber, well, as ugly as it is, then there should probably a debconf note telling them
[16:36] <mvo> we *could* turn off pupett automatically before the upgrade if that is something that people want, I'm just not sure that this is uncontroversial
[16:37] <mvo> bdmurray: that would be great, TBH the instruction does not look correct to me but I may be wrong about it
[16:37] <ogra_> (like we do on libc upgrades)
[16:37] <infinity> mvo: Sure, you could do it in a high level tool like update-manager, but that still feels like it's broken for low-level package management.
[16:37]  * mvo nods at infinity
[16:38] <infinity> mvo: Maybe what this really wants is puppet shipping an apt-utils hook that turns itself off and on.
[16:38] <slangasek> that sounds sane to me
[16:38] <infinity> mvo: Still doesn't cover the dpkg case, but it covers most everything else.
[16:38] <mvo> infinity: good point, that sounds like the best way forward, dpkg::{pre,post}-invoke
[16:39]  * infinity nods.
[16:39] <slangasek> so we can reassign it to puppet and let the server team decide the severity? :)
[16:39] <infinity> And a dependency on apt-utils, so it works.  (or is apt-utils no longer required for dpkg::-invoke hooks?)
[16:39] <mvo> the invoke hooks should work without apt-utils
[16:40] <infinity> Oh, shiny.
[16:40] <infinity> Even better, then.
[16:40] <infinity> Feels like the cleanest solution to me, short of doing it at the dpkg level.
[16:40]  * mvo tries to think of a reason why it wouldn't but fails and gets more tea to keep the engine running
[16:40] <slangasek> mvo, infinity: one of you want to reassign to puppet with that explanation?
[16:40] <jodh> What about the case where an admin runs do-release-upgrade by
[16:40] <jodh> mistake? Wouldn't it be better to have the command print a warning an
[16:40] <jodh> exit until admins intervene to manually switch off puppet/cfengine/bcfg2/etc?
[16:40] <jodh>  
[16:40] <jodh> s/an/and/
[16:41] <slangasek> jodh: if you run "do-release-upgrade" by mistake, you get to keep both pieces
[16:41] <infinity> jodh: Well, with the apt hook solution, there's no real need for warning.  puppet just gets disabled (and re-enabled) every time apt runs.
[16:41] <slangasek> we're not responsible for our users hiring minimally competent sysadmins ;)
[16:41] <mvo> jodh: if we go with the suggestion from infinity that would be fine because puttet would shutdown when dpkg is invoked by apt which it should. and if at this point it was still a mistake there are more problems :)
[16:42] <infinity> slangasek: I can follow up on the bug post-meeting, since mvo seems to have remained silent. :P
[16:42] <slangasek> infinity: thanks :-)
[16:42] <mvo> infinity: I was about to say that I can do it but you deserve credit for the plan so … ;)
[16:43] <slangasek> bdmurray: any more?
[16:43] <jodh> If a system is being managed by puppet, is it ever valid to run
[16:43] <jodh> do-release-upgrade though?
[16:43] <jodh>  
[16:43] <bdmurray> bug 942030
[16:43] <infinity> jodh: Sure.
[16:44] <infinity> jodh: d-r-u is just a flimsy wrapper around apt.  In the best case (ie: if we don't have horrible bugs we're hiding and working around in update-manager), it literally does nothing but install and remove packages. :P
[16:44] <stgraber> bdmurray: I guess I'll take that one once I'm done with the keyboard stuff then, will need to figure out a way to expose a webcam to kvm ;)
[16:44] <infinity> jodh: And if "running apt" is an invalid thing for puppet users to do, there's a problem.
[16:44] <bdmurray> heh
[16:45] <bdmurray> that's all then
[16:47] <slangasek> [TOPIC] Patch piloting
[16:48] <slangasek> just as dholbach leaves ;)
[16:48] <barry> :)
[16:48] <infinity> Well timed.
[16:48] <infinity> I know I missed my last pilot session due to connectivity issues while I was at Connect. :/
[16:49] <slangasek> just to reiterate... we need to make sure patch piloting is happening, to keep contributions flowing in
[16:49] <slangasek> our track record on this has not been great
[16:49] <slangasek> if circumstances prevent you from piloting on your assigned day (because it overlaps with a conference for example), by all means swap days
[16:50] <slangasek> doko: looks like you're scheduled to patch pilot tomorrow - is that going to work ok?
[16:50] <doko> urgh
[16:50] <doko> yeah, will try to start early
[16:51] <bdmurray> regarding patches I also wanted to mention https://bugs.launchpad.net/~foundations-bugs/+patches
[16:53] <slangasek> bdmurray: do you know if that list is going up/down?
[16:54] <bdmurray> slangasek: I would guess up but don't have numbers right in front of me
[16:54] <slangasek> that's a good list of bugs for folks to draw on as well when patch piloting, anyway - probably a lot of these (particularly the older ones) should have the patch tag dropped because they don't really fix the bug
[16:54] <slangasek> maybe stgraber wants to review the patch in bug #20420 :)
[16:55] <slangasek> any other concerns on patch piloting?
[16:55] <slangasek> [TOPIC] AOB
[16:55] <slangasek> or other business?
[16:56] <slangasek> #endmeeting
[16:56] <meetingology> Meeting ended Wed Feb 29 16:56:24 2012 UTC.
[16:56] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-02-29-16.03.moin.txt
[16:56] <meetingology> Minutes (html):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-02-29-16.03.html
[16:56] <slangasek> done
[16:56] <slangasek> thanks :)
[16:56] <ogra_> thanks !
[16:56] <stgraber> thanks!
[16:56] <barry> thanks!
[17:01] <jodh> /q slangasek
[17:01] <jodh>  
[17:01] <jodh>  
[17:01] <jodh>  
[17:03] <balloons> let's get started shall we?
[17:03] <balloons> #startmeeting Ubuntu QA
[17:03] <meetingology> Meeting started Wed Feb 29 17:03:25 2012 UTC.  The chair is balloons. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[17:03] <balloons> can we get a roll call of who's around
[17:03] <phillw> o/
[17:05] <phillw> could be a short meeting :/
[17:05] <balloons> heh
[17:05] <brendand> o/
[17:05] <josepht> o/
[17:06] <balloons> alrighty.. well let's dive into the agenda
[17:06] <balloons> there was one outstanding item, for me to update the wiki
[17:06] <balloons> ACTION: balloons to update QA Team wiki heading
[17:06] <balloons> i wanted to add an activities icon
[17:06] <balloons> I seem to only be successful at breaking the header page
[17:07] <phillw> cproffit from ubuntu-begginers helped me when I got stuck with the new lubuntu header
[17:08] <balloons> phillw, awesome, I'll consult him.. expect to see that today after the meeting
[17:08] <balloons> i picked the <3 icon for activities
[17:08] <balloons> hehe
[17:08] <balloons> [TOPIC] Ubuntu Updates
[17:09] <balloons> jibel, are you around?
[17:09] <jibel> hey
[17:09] <balloons> hello :-) care to update us on ubuntu qa activities this week?
[17:10] <jibel> sure, Precise Beta 1 testing in progress
[17:10] <jibel> list of images that need testing http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/208/builds
[17:11] <jibel> a bunch of bugs has been found http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/reports/defects/opened
[17:11] <jibel> major bugs with the installer and the live session are:
[17:11] <jibel> bug 940908
[17:11] <jibel> bug 939450
[17:11] <jibel> bug 942560
[17:12] <brendand> o/
[17:12] <balloons> yes brendand ?
[17:12] <jibel> and bug 942030
[17:12] <brendand> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/208/builds/12727/testcases
[17:12] <brendand> http://launchpad.net/bugs/942573
[17:12] <brendand> is in xubuntu, but marked against an ubuntu testcase??
[17:13] <jibel> right, I saw that but didn't talk to primes2h yet
[17:15] <jibel> on the image testing side, a tester reported a hang on the keyboard layout screen on the second stage of an OEM install
[17:15] <jibel> I've been unable to reproduce, it be nice if we could have more testers to validate that if it is a local issue or not
[17:16] <balloons> jibel, can we draft some of this up into a mail for the qa list? I'll also send a tweet on status
[17:16] <jibel> apart from that, beta 1 should be released tomorrow, that's plenty of hours for more coverage
[17:16] <jibel> balloons, ok
[17:16] <balloons> thanks jibel!
[17:16] <jibel> ..
[17:17] <balloons> Alright, let's talk about flavors now
[17:17] <balloons> [TOPIC] Ubuntu Flavor Updates
[17:17] <balloons> lubuntu first, how's that
[17:17] <phillw> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/reports/bugs/938472
[17:18] <phillw> We're all over it like a rash, this was caused by  it's a change on GTK3 3.2.1 syntax and theme standards (I'm angry because of so many changes, they won't make any standard if it goes that way) and Unico 1.0.1 (some textures changes, too).
[17:18] <phillw> Which pulled the rug from under lubuntu for a week.
[17:19] <phillw> a rough patch is hoped for today, and then all the isos will need respinning.
[17:19] <balloons> yikes
[17:19] <phillw> IMHO, it was an epic fail via QA for this to happen. We had no warning nor information. Just black screens.
[17:21] <balloons> alrighty. good luck, I'm looking at the screenshot of the issue
[17:21] <balloons> thata's no fun.. and very vague as to what could be the issue
[17:21] <phillw> so, the request is - is there any way to stop this in thre future?
[17:21] <balloons> glad you isolated it
[17:21] <phillw> our graphics guy is proud of his work and was gutted over it :(
[17:22] <balloons> :-( that's no good at all
[17:22] <balloons> I feel like the future for stopping this is doing more testing of key components before they entire the archive
[17:22] <phillw> the only other thing to note is the ppc *may* not be working on G3 macs, but until we can actually install it's hard for our few testers to test :(
[17:23] <balloons> I'll sidebar for a moment to mention this list: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/DesktopCriticalPackages
[17:23] <brendand> o/
[17:23] <balloons> sure, go ahead brendand
[17:23] <brendand> is lubuntu being iso tested?
[17:23] <brendand> in jenkins?
[17:24] <balloons> I'm not sure phillw ? jibel?
[17:25] <phillw> balloons: I know very little about jenkins
[17:26] <jibel> balloons, we test ubuntu, but the code we use for testing is available if you want to run it on your own infrastructure
[17:26] <jibel> https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-server-iso-testing-dev/ubuntu-server-iso-testing/trunk
[17:27] <balloons> brendand, do you feel like having jenkins on this would have helped in this case?
[17:27] <balloons> is that the answer going forward?
[17:27] <brendand> balloons, well it looks like an integration issue to me
[17:28] <brendand> balloons, as in Gtk didn't break itself , it broke something else
[17:28] <balloons> k, let;s move this discussion to the mailing list.. phillw it looks like there may be a way to improve QA for future
[17:28] <phillw> thanks.
[17:29] <balloons> i'm sure brendand and jibel will speak more about it there
[17:29] <jibel> balloons, in this case, for ubuntu, we don't have tests that cover the rendering of the UI and similar defects are found with manual testing
[17:29] <balloons> jibel, thanks for the info. it certainly depends on what your coverage is
[17:29] <balloons> ok, how about kubuntu?
[17:29] <jibel> but the plan is to be able to do this type of test with the next testing framework we are working on
[17:29] <brendand> phillw - i have an idea to share. on the mailing list - if you can send a message to get things rolling
[17:30] <Riddell> brendand: looking good for beta I think
[17:30] <Riddell> we have kubuntu-active images yet but nobody has tested and almost certainly they don't do anything
[17:32] <balloons> yes.. any thoughts on getting hardware to try those out? will they be a published image for 12.04, or just ?
[17:35] <balloons> Riddell, thoughts on what will be happening with the kubuntu-active images?
[17:36] <Riddell> balloons: it'll be a "tech preview" at best
[17:36] <balloons> ok, makes sens
[17:36] <Riddell> if we get it going that's nice, if not then we won't worry too much
[17:36] <balloons> awesome.. anything else?
[17:37] <balloons> alrighty, let's move on to ubuntu studio.. anyone about care to update us?
[17:38] <balloons> no one about.. :-)
[17:39] <balloons> how about edubuntu?
[17:40] <balloons> lastly, any updates from xubuntu?
[17:41] <balloons> heh.. kk.. Let's move on
[17:41] <balloons> we've got alot to chat about
[17:42] <balloons> [TOPIC] Other topics
[17:42] <brendand> o/
[17:42] <balloons> yes brendand ?
[17:42] <brendand> ok
[17:42] <brendand> manual testing
[17:42] <brendand> balloons, love what you're doing with checkbox
[17:42] <brendand> however
[17:43] <brendand> the whole story around creating test cases is really messy
[17:43] <brendand> we have a wiki, but it's not complete
[17:43] <brendand> we have a spreadsheet, i'm not sure if that's complete
[17:43] <brendand> we're looking at case conductor
[17:43] <brendand> and now you can also submit jobs to checkbox
[17:44] <brendand> (the checkbox-app-testing branch to be precise)
[17:44] <balloons> brendand, yep your correct on all those things
[17:44] <brendand> can the wiki die anytime soon?
[17:44] <balloons> the wiki is not the long-term solution
[17:44] <balloons> that was discussed last year afaik, and the decision to leave it was made then
[17:45] <balloons> if not I would propose we go ahead and formally say so now ;-)
[17:45] <brendand> balloons, yes but then as far as i can tell you're using the test cases as written on the wiki for the checkbox tests...
[17:45] <brendand> am i wrong?
[17:46] <balloons> I pulled the test cases we re-wrote as part of the spreadsheet rewrite project
[17:46] <balloons> that is correct
[17:46] <brendand> so they are *all* in the spreadsheet?
[17:46] <balloons> all the checkbox testcases?
[17:46] <balloons> not all all
[17:46] <balloons> *not at all
[17:46] <brendand> ok
[17:47] <balloons> if you look the wiki has only maybe the nautilus and network manager tests copied unedited
[17:47] <balloons> i took ideas from some of the others, but by and large, the wiki is pretty old and dead
[17:47] <brendand> can we make the wiki read-only?
[17:47] <brendand> (maybe it is already and i'm being a dum-dum)
[17:47] <balloons> no, it's still editable.. I'm not sure the wiki can or can't be readonly
[17:48] <balloons> if it can I would be ok with it
[17:48] <phillw> it can be tagged as depreciated to encourage people NOT to update it.
[17:48] <balloons> I would say we are at that point
[17:48] <balloons> as far as the future, we are still looking for a test case management system
[17:49] <balloons> in my post I outlined my thoughts about that.. i'll repeat them here, and see what you all think/feel
[17:49] <brendand> also, banners saying "THIS WIKI IS DEPRECATED - SEE <Google Docs Link>"
[17:49] <phillw> brendand: we can do that :)
[17:49] <balloons> basically we need a test case mgmt system,  test case delivery system and a test case reporting system
[17:50] <brendand> what happened with case conductor?
[17:50] <balloons> right now, we have the wiki more or less as the mgmt system, nothing (we're trying out checkbox now) as the delivry system, and nothing (we're trying out lp and the results tracker) for the reporting system
[17:51] <brendand> i'm biased, but checkbox is a good delivery system
[17:51] <balloons> i have been focusing my efforts recently on getting this checkbox prototype up and running
[17:51] <phillw> balloons: brendand we can chat on ML about a couple of systems the SII have tested out if it would help?
[17:51] <brendand> launchpad-results may need an extra layer over it to be generally suitable
[17:51] <balloons> and the case conductor folks have been working on pushing out the new release
[17:51] <balloons> but we will prototype that as well
[17:51] <balloons> phillw, yes that would be great
[17:52] <brendand> balloons, if we wanted to start using case conductor tomorrow, what would the risks be?
[17:52] <balloons> at this point I feel like we need a nicely intergrated workflow.. but all 3 needs must be met
[17:52] <balloons> and I'm not biased as to what tools we use
[17:52] <balloons> brendand, yes I agree results tracker if adopted would need more added to it
[17:53] <balloons> brendand, if we started using cc tomorrow, no real risks other than we have to adopt it.. and at the moment we have no way of delivering those tests outside of using the web browser
[17:53] <balloons> we may or may not like that delivery system
[17:53] <brendand> but it's still miles ahead of a spreadsheet
[17:53] <balloons> yes.. it is
[17:54] <brendand> balloons, have you found out does it have an api for pulling testcases?
[17:54] <balloons> everything in the spreadsheet is in checkbox tests now though
[17:54] <balloons> brendand, I'm not sure on the api for pulling tests
[17:54] <brendand> balloons, you've had meeting with the mozilla guys, right?
[17:54] <balloons> i wasn't attempting to muddy the waters, but I know having checkbox tests does deprecate the other places we've been putting them
[17:55] <balloons> brendand, yes I've met with the mozilla guys
[17:55] <balloons> I intend to revisit case conductor within the next couple weeks
[17:55] <balloons> probably next week
[17:56] <brendand> so
[17:56] <brendand> let's clarify all this
[17:56] <balloons> they were supposed to have a release around early march
[17:56] <brendand> i'm a contributor
[17:56] <brendand> and i'm reading your page, so i go and right a testcase in checkbox and propose a merge
[17:57] <brendand> the first thing you're going to tell me is 'can you write it up in this spreadsheet too'
[17:57] <brendand> ?
[17:57] <brendand> s/right/write/
[17:57] <balloons> brendand, at this point I make no mention of updating a spreadsheet or wiki (nor have I attempted to myself)
[17:57] <balloons> aka, the checkbox tests are standalone
[17:58] <balloons> now, we could decide to deprecate all other tests and just go with the checkbox repo.. however I didn't want to do that, even tho short-term it means we have tests in 2 places (I was assuming the wiki would stay as-is for now as the repository of tests)
[17:59] <balloons> the long term solution is something like case conductor, which I think we all agree with
[17:59] <balloons> it's simply what do we do in the shortterm?
[17:59] <brendand> i think there should be some attempt to keep the authoritative location for test cases and the execution tool in sync
[17:59] <balloons> alright our time is expired.. I'll end the meeting.. can we continue this discussion in #ubuntu-testing?
[18:00] <brendand> sure
[18:00] <balloons> for those folks reading the logs we'll post to the ml a summary
[18:00] <balloons> kk
[18:00] <balloons> #endmeeting
[18:00] <meetingology> Meeting ended Wed Feb 29 18:00:19 2012 UTC.
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[18:02] <bdmurray> hi, time for the bug squad meeting
[18:03] <bdmurray> #startmeeting
[18:03] <meetingology> Meeting started Wed Feb 29 18:03:39 2012 UTC.  The chair is bdmurray. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[18:03] <bdmurray> #topic Previous Actions
[18:04] <bdmurray> ACTION: put list of dbus no reply bugs into a wiki page and email bugsquad regarding list: bdmurray
[18:04] <bdmurray> I've not done this yet, so will carry it over
[18:04] <bdmurray> ACTION: investigate bug 827615: Ursinha
[18:04] <Ursinha> done
[18:04] <bdmurray> done and fix released!
[18:05] <s9iper1> thanks ursinha:
[18:05] <Ursinha> fix was already committed when that bug was raised, they just released it :)
[18:05] <Ursinha> no problem, they did all the dirty job!
[18:05] <bdmurray> still good news
[18:05] <Ursinha> indeed sir
[18:06] <bdmurray> #topic Engineering Team Bug Status
[18:06] <bdmurray> Ursinha: any thing interesting?
[18:06] <Ursinha> nothing that could be reported right now
[18:07] <bdmurray> jsalisbury: anything on your side?
[18:10] <bdmurray> not much from me, however I'm looking into an issue where apport-crash reports with python tracebacks are missing data
[18:10] <bdmurray> for example bug 943340
[18:11] <bdmurray> if you happen to report one of these I'm interested in the .crash file from the system in happened on too
[18:11] <bdmurray> that'd be located in /var/crash
[18:13] <bdmurray> #topic Bug Escalations (any High or Critical bugs that community members have seen that need attention)
[18:13] <bdmurray> so are there any bugs that aren't getting the attention they deserve?
[18:15] <bdmurray> okay nothing this week then
[18:15] <bdmurray> #topic Other Topics
[18:15] <hggdh> \o
[18:15] <bdmurray> any thing else to discuss?
[18:16] <bdmurray> hggdh: yes?
[18:16] <hggdh> I would like to officially welcome mfish as the newest Bug Control member
[18:17] <bdmurray> hggdh: I saw that, that's great!
[18:17] <hggdh> I do hope he keeps on helping!
[18:17] <hggdh> ..
[18:18] <bdmurray> oh Ursinha do you know what package I'd want to report a bug about for the login splash screen?  Is it lightdm or some theme?
[18:19] <dlentz> bdmurray, are you getting a light purple screen? (i have that issue with 12.04, but i didn't know if it was because i'm using xubuntu)
[18:20] <bdmurray> dlentz: no, I'm concerned about the text there '12.04' doesn't have LTS after it
[18:20] <dlentz> oh, you mean plymouth splash screen?
[18:20] <bdmurray> dlentz: no, I mean the one lightdm one where I log in
[18:21] <dlentz> oh, ok, i guess i've only seen the xubuntu default
[18:21] <bdmurray> well it looks like logo.png in the unity-greeter package
[18:22] <bdmurray> anything else?
[18:23] <bdmurray> okay, thanks everyone
[18:23] <bdmurray> #endmeeting
[18:23] <meetingology> Meeting ended Wed Feb 29 18:23:19 2012 UTC.
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[20:00] <phillw> #startmeeting lubuntu meeting
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[20:01] <phillw> Hi, Julien can't make it, so you'll have to put up with me again!
[20:01] <phillw> #topic previous actions
[20:01] <phillw> There are no previous actions
[20:01] <phillw> #topic show of hands of atendees
[20:01] <rafaellaguna> hi (and glad to see you as chairman again, phillw)
[20:02] <phillw> (oops)
[20:02] <Unit193> /o\
[20:02] <phillw> can those present please o/
[20:02] <michael_rawson> \o/
[20:02] <Yorvyk> o/
[20:02] <phillw> or kick me
[20:02] <moergaes> mörgæs o/
[20:03] <StephenSmally> o/ (?)
[20:03] <phillw> okies, others can pipe up as and when they are here.
[20:03] <phillw> #topic report from QA
[20:03] <phillw> Right, please bear with me on this one. It will take a while.
[20:04] <rafaellaguna> :)
[20:04] <phillw> As you will all be aware, lubuntu is crawling over qa testing like a rash at http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/reports/bugs/938472
[20:04] <phillw> bug 938472
[20:04] <rafaellaguna> me -> angry
[20:05] <phillw> The main discussion on QA tonight was how to prevent this ever happeneing again.
[20:05] <rafaellaguna> yep, and prevent people two days trying to figure out what's happening
[20:05] <phillw> to this end, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/DesktopCriticalPackages was pointed out.
[20:06] <phillw> The discussion on QA is now taking place on the mailing list. Rafael & Julien are being cc'd developments
[20:06] <phillw> please do bear in mind, that the QA meeting was only 3 hours ago.
[20:07] <david_j_r> o/  (sorry - just registering late presence for archivak purposes!)
[20:07] <phillw> The co-ordinator, and others on the QA team agree that this was a failure, a big failure in that something hit the archives without being fully checked.
[20:07] <rafaellaguna> the package was changed in Ubuntu main repos
[20:08] <phillw> I've just had an email from rafaellaguna, but I ask that he give you the latest that he has.
[20:08] <rafaellaguna> I mean, if there're some filters for other packages, why some ones don't? because they look less critical, as they are art related
[20:10] <phillw> rafaellaguna: imho, I don't think any one realised that they could completely bork a system.
[20:10] <phillw> i was not aware of that lisy until tonights meeting.
[20:11] <phillw> /s/lisy/list/
[20:11] <rafaellaguna> @phillw: agree
[20:11] <meetingology> rafaellaguna: Error: "phillw:" is not a valid command.
[20:11] <rafaellaguna> phillw: agree
[20:12] <phillw> The time for anger, is later. The $64,000 question, rafaellaguna, is can you overcome this?
[20:12] <rafaellaguna> I'm working on a solution with our theme, I can't do aymore until they publish the changes
[20:13] <rafaellaguna> or correct the bugs (making old themes syntax compatible)
[20:13] <phillw> rafaellaguna: have you raised a bug against the packages?
[20:13] <rafaellaguna> in the meantime we can go to Adwaita style, but imagine what means this for a designer like me
[20:13] <rafaellaguna> nope
[20:14] <phillw> can you do so. you are best placed to explain the bug.
[20:14] <rafaellaguna> I need to collect some info from Unico and GTK before submitting a bug
[20:14] <skaet> if there is a fix ready for this,   please ping me in the #ubuntu-release channel (or NCommander,Riddell) and we'll trigger respins for you.   Do you want to revert back to the prior version of the artwork for beta 1?
[20:14] <rafaellaguna> but I'll do, and I'll contact with Andrea Cimitan
[20:14] <rafaellaguna> skaet: the problem is not the theme, I have it working on Oneiric, even with the last modifications
[20:15] <phillw> rafaellaguna: I assure you, that to the limit of politeness I used as strong phrases as I could to explain our feelings on having 7 days of ISO testing stopped, the additional work dropped on you with no prior warning etc.
[20:15] <skaet> rafaellaguna, ok.
[20:15] <rafaellaguna> phillw: that's no problem, we're here for that
[20:16] <rafaellaguna> skaet: and obvioulsy they cannot revert to prior versions on GTK
[20:16] <rafaellaguna> phillw: I'm sure about that :D
[20:17] <phillw> rafaellaguna: well, it is a monumental fail, such a regression should not have gotten through. It did, now a solution has to be found.
[20:18] <rafaellaguna> I think the best thing we can do is, for the beta launch, switch to a more compatible theme
[20:18] <phillw> #action rafaellaguna raise bug for GTK and Unico
[20:18] <meetingology> ACTION: rafaellaguna raise bug for GTK and Unico
[20:18] <rafaellaguna> I hate it, but we need to read the screen :|
[20:18] <phillw> rafaellaguna: sadly, yes.
[20:19] <michael_rawson> very sad considering the work gone into the theme.
[20:19] <phillw> rafaellaguna: any ideas on how long it will take to get a working prototype up and running?
[20:19] <rafaellaguna> yes :(
[20:20] <rafaellaguna> phillw: as Adwaita engine has changed too (more annoyances) I'll need a few days to study the new syntax
[20:20] <phillw> okies rafaellaguna
[20:20] <phillw> and just for our logs.. a quick copy - paste
[20:20] <phillw> (17:19:01) phillw: IMHO, it was an epic fail via QA for this to happen. We had no warning nor information. Just black screens.
[20:20] <phillw> (17:20:20) balloons: alrighty. good luck, I'm looking at the screenshot of the issue
[20:20] <phillw> (17:20:34) balloons: thata's no fun.. and very vague as to what could be the issue
[20:20] <phillw> (17:20:37) phillw: so, the request is - is there any way to stop this in thre future?
[20:20] <phillw> (17:20:38) balloons: glad you isolated it
[20:20] <phillw> (17:20:55) anjar_95 [~anders@3.79-160-53.customer.lyse.net] entered the room.
[20:20] <phillw> (17:21:02) phillw: our graphics guy is proud of his work and was gutted over it :(
[20:20] <phillw> (17:21:13) balloons: :-( that's no good at all
[20:20] <rafaellaguna> but I already started to tweak Adwaita on my system, so I hope release a new theme in 3 or 4 days
[20:20] <rafaellaguna> is it too late?
[20:21] <phillw> rafaellaguna: it will not have to be.
[20:22] <balloons> hello
[20:22] <rafaellaguna> oh, btw, I have fresh news (1 min ago) that OpenSuse is habing the sme problem
[20:22] <phillw> rafaellaguna: I've just asked balloons to join
[20:22] <balloons> so, you know the issue, and the cause of the issue.. canyou link the bug again phillw ?
[20:22] <phillw> rafaellaguna: I know it is repeating, but can you let balloons kniow what you're going to ned
[20:22] <rafaellaguna> of course
[20:22] <phillw> need
[20:23] <rafaellaguna> him balloons
[20:23] <phillw> bug 938472
[20:23] <rafaellaguna> yep, but that bug should be redirected, lubuntu-artwork has not the problem
[20:24] <phillw> rafaellaguna: that can be done :) I know it is not your fault. You were the one who found the problem from a messy bug report.
[20:24] <rafaellaguna> I insist (for balloons :D) it's a "but" on GTK / Unico engine that makes old syntax incompatible, so it result in some black drawings
[20:24] <rafaellaguna> "BUG"
[20:25] <rafaellaguna> sincerely, I see my faults inmediatly when designing,  also that's frankbooth who first checks every piece I design
[20:26] <phillw> balloons: rafaellaguna reckons 3 - 4 days before he has even a 'basic' theme going. In the meantime, the clock on testing is stuck & we end up with all that work trashed and a horrible desktop for a full member of the ubuntu familiy. It's not really acceptable?
[20:26] <rafaellaguna> another thing, this bug makes Opera browser unsuable (it really quits the program), so they are really nervous and yuo know what's happening with Ubuntu confiability
[20:27] <moergaes> I think everybody gets the point. No need to rub it in.
[20:27] <phillw> this looks like a fairly critical bug?
[20:27] <rafaellaguna> phillw: you can use the temporary theme I sent Julien while I'm working
[20:27] <phillw> moergaes: au contraire.... the more information, the better.
[20:28]  * balloons is reading the bug
[20:28] <phillw> skaet: can you get that theme re-spun into the isos so we can at least re-start testing?
[20:29] <skaet> phillw,  upload it,  I'll shepherd it through and respin for you after it builds/lands.
[20:30] <StephenSmally> I don't want to be unencouraging, but we can also pick up a simple gtk2/3 theme from gnome-look or something if we haven't time
[20:30] <phillw> rafaellaguna: can you make it available for skaet please? We really do need to have 'something' for testing. I know you hate it,
[20:30] <balloons> phillw, rafaellaguna I agree.. something basic.. this isn't the final shipping version, so no worries on the basic theme
[20:30] <skaet> After all the bits are in the archive,  its less than an hour to images.
[20:30] <phillw> StephenSmally: I think most of those are also borked, rafaellaguna can confirm.
[20:31] <rafaellaguna> stephen, the GTK2 part is working fine, it's just the GTK3 one. And the desktop uses in a 75% GTK2, so we can still use the lubuntu theme
[20:31] <rafaellaguna> skaet: how can I send you the temporary theme?
[20:31] <balloons> i haven't been following lxde closely enough.. I know xfce is swapping next version to gtk3.. is lxde?
[20:32] <rafaellaguna> balloons: yes, we're moving to GTK3
[20:32] <balloons> ok, and is that move happening this cycle?
[20:32] <michael_rawson> I think it's a gradual process.
[20:32] <rafaellaguna> no, there're too many dis-integrated apps, so we cannot do this in one shot
[20:32] <skaet> rafaellaguna, we'll need to get a lubuntu developer to package it,  then I can help once he uploads to archive.  (gilir?)
[20:32] <StephenSmally> is real slow, since the main part are blockec (libfm->pcmanfm)
[20:33] <StephenSmally> *blocked
[20:33] <rafaellaguna> skaet: I can make a new branch on lubuntu team
[20:33] <StephenSmally> lxpanel is being rewrited in gtk3, so...
[20:33] <balloons> thanks.. got it.. So yea, I think this is part of those migration pains.. The good news is gtk3 is nicer and lets you do more things. you just gotta get there.. patience is a virtue here.. slow and steady
[20:33] <skaet> gilir, ^ can you help get the branch up to the archive.
[20:34] <phillw> hopefully he will be available later.
[20:34] <phillw> skaet: he usually chairs the meetings :)
[20:34] <rafaellaguna> I like current chairman :)
[20:35] <rafaellaguna> the usual procedure is packaging into my branch, then gilir can copy to archive
[20:35] <skaet> phillw,  :)  okie.    I'll make sure to check in #ubuntu-release channel for a ping from him (or another developer able to do the upload) ever hour or so this evening.
[20:35] <phillw> so, rafaellaguna can you wait to pounce on Julian and get the temp theme up so the re-spins can happen a.s.a.p.?
[20:35] <rafaellaguna> yes
[20:36] <phillw> hyperair: ping... Well, I can always hope :)
[20:36] <hyperair> phillw: ?
[20:36] <phillw> hyperair: can you get the temp theme uploaded>?
[20:36] <hyperair> temp theme?
[20:37] <phillw> hyperair: there was a change to GTK Unico which broke lubuntu theme, rafaellaguna has a temp fix, but needs a dev to get it uploaded so the iso's can be respun
[20:39] <phillw> Julien is afk, and you are the only fully MOTU for lubuntu I know :)
[20:39] <hyperair> okay, got a link?
[20:39] <rafaellaguna> want one?
[20:39] <hyperair> yes please
[20:39] <rafaellaguna> wait...
[20:39] <phillw> +only other
[20:39] <rafaellaguna> hyperair: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/133108/lubuntu3b.tar.gz
[20:40] <hyperair> er hang on, what source package is this?
[20:40] <hyperair> i was kinda expecting a .dsc..
[20:40] <rafaellaguna> hyperair: it's just Adwaita standard for the GTK3 part, leaving GTK2 intact
[20:40] <rafaellaguna> hyperair: I thought you wanted the theme
[20:40] <rafaellaguna> if you want the source branch I need a bit more time (tomorrow)
[20:41] <hyperair> well you need me to upload something into the ubuntu archive...
[20:41] <hyperair> and i can only upload source packages
[20:41] <hyperair> so where's the source package?
[20:41] <rafaellaguna> ok, let's do it via Launchpad
[20:41] <hyperair> sure
[20:41] <StephenSmally> well, i think you should create a new branch and put the pkg in the lubuntu ppa
[20:41] <rafaellaguna> tomorrow
[20:42] <hyperair> tbh, i'm bzr-averse
[20:42] <hyperair> i'll gladly take a patch
[20:44] <rafaellaguna> ok, I need to leave
[20:44] <michael_rawson> bye!
[20:44] <phillw> okies rafaellaguna
[20:45] <rafaellaguna> so, tomorrow I'll push a new temp branch on lubuntu artwork team
[20:45] <phillw> thanks rafaellaguna
[20:45] <rafaellaguna> new information arrived just now about the solution, iI'll work on it during the day and hope it work
[20:46] <rafaellaguna> confirmed: it seems an error  on GTK modules translating HEX colour codes
[20:46] <rafaellaguna> it's already declared on bugzilla, and Gnome boys are aware of that
[20:47] <rafaellaguna> see you tomorrow, guys :)
[20:47] <phillw> well, the rest of the meeting should be fairly quick..... the only other QA issue was it seems the lubuntu-ppc version is not installing on G3 Macs, but this is held up slightly as we are missing the ability to test stuff.
[20:48] <rafaellaguna> bye all
[20:48] <phillw> Unit193: anything to report on IRC?
[20:48]  * david_j_r Lubuntu punter thanks rafaellaguna for perseving.
[20:48] <Unit193> Might be, but can't think of anything except the reminder of the upcoming session.
[20:49] <phillw> there's nothing really of note from comms or support
[20:49] <moergaes> Well, I have something
[20:49] <moergaes> I believe that the new web site is getting ready to launch.
[20:50] <phillw> moergaes: the floor is yours
[20:50] <moergaes> Thanks
[20:50] <moergaes> It is on www.whiteboar.info
[20:50] <moergaes> Just need some minor work on the themes.
[20:50] <moergaes> Shouldn't take long,
[20:50] <phillw> I've seen it, it looks impressive (even though it does not render on Chrome)
[20:50] <moergaes> That surprises me.
[20:51] <moergaes> Works in Chromium.
[20:51] <StephenSmally> seems good
[20:51] <phillw> It's just one of logos' that has a problem, works fine in FFox, and I'm using an older Chrome.
[20:51] <moergaes> Thanks.
[20:51] <Unit193> Anything I test will be in FF12
[20:52] <michael_rawson> works fine in chrome for me.
[20:52] <moergaes> Please give it a spin, everybody.
[20:52] <moergaes> (not necessarily now)
[20:52] <phillw> michael_rawson: I'm on 7.0.517.44
[20:53] <phillw> okies, thanks to the team who have taken a 'would like to get done' to actually getting it done!
[20:53] <StephenSmally> moergaes: the pic in "Using" should be updated
[20:53] <moergaes> Phill, are you the one managing the web hotel?
[20:53] <michael_rawson> phillw - say what? IP address?
[20:53] <david_j_r> was just going to make that point about the picture too
[20:53] <moergaes> Thanks, noted.
[20:54] <phillw> Chris is not about, I'm still working on getting a deffinitative answer on the use of the tags for the older duplicates and triplicates of wiki support pages.
[20:54] <moergaes> phillw: Thanks for that :-)
[20:55] <phillw> Hopefully it will be 2 minutes on QA next week and the rest of time for everything else.
[20:55] <StephenSmally> Just another thing, wouldn't be better if the left pane was really on left? i mean, completely on the left?
[20:55] <moergaes> We can always make small adjustments.
[20:55] <phillw> As julien is not about, does any dev have anything to update us on the dev side of things?
[20:56] <phillw> #topic any other business
[20:56] <phillw> any one got something to add?
[20:58] <phillw> okies, thanks to everyone who attended (and thanks to balloons for popping in).
[20:58] <phillw> #topic next meeting
[20:58] <balloons> yvw phillw
[20:58] <phillw> next meeting 20:00 UTC #ubuntu-meeting 7th March 2012
[20:58] <phillw> #endmeeting
[20:58] <meetingology> Meeting ended Wed Feb 29 20:58:57 2012 UTC.
[20:58] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-02-29-20.00.moin.txt
[20:58] <meetingology> Minutes (html):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-02-29-20.00.html
[20:59] <michael_rawson> thanks phillw!
[20:59] <s-fox> who is in here next? is this room free?
[20:59] <phillw> s-fox: afaik, no one is after lubuntu
[20:59] <phillw> we sometimes spill over.
[21:00] <s-fox> okay phillw, the forum coucil are about to have a meeting :-)
[21:00] <s-fox> thanks
[21:01] <s-fox> Ping coffeecat , Iowan, cariboo907, Merk42, nothingspecial, hobgoblin, moergaes
[21:01] <s-fox> and of course bodhizazen
[21:01] <hobgoblin> o/
[21:01] <s-fox> haha
[21:01] <coffeecat> o/
[21:01] <moergaes> mörgæs o/
[21:01] <s-fox> bodhizazen you want me to chair? i'm all set here
[21:01] <phillw> s-fox: my apologies, I've just noticed that we had not booked our usual slot :(
[21:01] <Merk42> o/ I guess?
[21:01] <cariboo907> o/
[21:02] <bodhizazen> =)
[21:02] <nothingspecial> o/
[21:02] <bodhizazen> s-fox: you going to chair ?
[21:02] <s-fox> Can do
[21:02] <phillw> btw phillw waves to s-fox ltns
[21:02] <bodhizazen> Up to you, I assume you know how to use the bot ?
[21:02] <Iowan> o/
[21:02] <phillw> bodhizazen: ho boss :)
[21:02] <s-fox> #startmeeting
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[21:03] <s-fox> [TOPIC] FC Members - division of labor
[21:03] <s-fox> I think bodhizazen wants to rotate it
[21:03] <bodhizazen> +1 to rotation
[21:03] <s-fox> Anything more than that bodhizazen?
[21:04] <bodhizazen> Identify who will do what next month
[21:04] <s-fox> So, who wants to do the mailing list this month? I did it last month
[21:04] <Iowan> I will!
[21:04] <bodhizazen> OK, who wants to send the welcome message to new users ?
[21:04] <s-fox> [ACTION] Mailing list = Iowan
[21:04] <meetingology> ACTION: Mailing list = Iowan
[21:05] <bodhizazen> And who will do the team report this month ?
[21:05] <s-fox> I'll do the welcome message
[21:05] <cariboo907> I'll do the message to new members
[21:05] <cariboo907> to late :)
[21:05] <bodhizazen> I will help you learn team reports, but I would like to rotate it
[21:05] <s-fox> If you want it go ahead cariboo907
[21:05] <Iowan> I'm still looking for pattern/uide for reports
[21:05] <cariboo907> OK, thanks s-fox
[21:06] <s-fox> [ACTION] Welcome message = cariboo907
[21:06] <meetingology> ACTION: Welcome message = cariboo907
[21:06] <bodhizazen> Iowan: It is very easy
[21:06] <Iowan> Easy if you know how/what...
[21:06] <s-fox> I'll help with the report if anyone wants
[21:06] <Iowan> I keep fighting with Wiki login.
[21:06] <s-fox> Done it before
[21:06] <s-fox> Iowan me and you do it?
[21:06] <bodhizazen> Iowan: there is a template, we can show you later
[21:07] <Iowan> Works for me.
[21:07] <cariboo907> Is tere a template for the welcome message too?
[21:07] <cariboo907> there
[21:07] <s-fox> [ACTION] Forum report = Iowan and s-fox
[21:07] <meetingology> ACTION: Forum report = Iowan and s-fox
[21:07] <bodhizazen> I will do Ubuntu membership this month
[21:07] <s-fox> cariboo907 all you need do is change the send from field. dead easy
[21:07] <s-fox> you just tend to see some spam replies cariboo907
[21:08] <Iowan> Then await the spam replies???
[21:08] <s-fox> >:)
[21:08]  * Iowan slow again
[21:08] <cariboo907> I've been dealing with some on the mailing list too
[21:08] <bodhizazen> spam replies have fallen off =)
[21:09] <s-fox> Would we all be prepared to agree we all 'muck in' with the rc, even though it is fairly quiet these days ?
[21:09] <Iowan> I try...
[21:09] <coffeecat> OK here.
[21:10] <s-fox> We're averaging about 3 days between complaints, which isn't bad for a forum with 1.5 million members....
[21:10] <cariboo907> I guess we just aren't trying hard enough :)
[21:10] <s-fox> [ACTION] RC = Everyone
[21:10] <meetingology> ACTION: RC = Everyone
[21:10] <bodhizazen> It is the 3 strikes / anti trolling policy, it has paid off in spades
[21:11] <s-fox> As an FYI to the rest of the council, I am now bug supervisor thingy on launchpad for the council
[21:11] <Iowan> If it starts going unnoticed, we can assing/volunteer someone.
[21:11] <bodhizazen> +1 Iowan
[21:11] <Iowan> (assign...)
[21:11] <s-fox> +1 Iowan
[21:12] <s-fox> Any other duties I've missed?
[21:12] <s-fox> IP bans?
[21:12] <Iowan> probably...;)
[21:12] <bodhizazen> Watch staff thread - Stuff that needs an admin ASAP
[21:12] <s-fox> Who fancies monitoring the admin thread ?
[21:12]  * coffeecat will
[21:13] <s-fox> [ACTION] Admini thread = coffeecat
[21:13] <meetingology> ACTION: Admini thread = coffeecat
[21:13] <Iowan> Thanks to all for inserting the IP bans in numerical order...
[21:14] <nothingspecial> Iowan,  ?
[21:14] <bodhizazen> Iowan: If it gets messy - I sort them in a terminal =)
[21:14] <cariboo907> I think the database does that, cause I just added them to the bottom of the list
[21:14] <Iowan> I'm not yet that advanced
[21:14] <s-fox> New topic time
[21:14] <Iowan> They got moved cuz I moved 'em
[21:14] <s-fox> [TOPIC] UF Banner community
[21:15] <michael_rawson> Hi, that's me.
[21:15] <michael_rawson> I was told on this:
[21:15] <michael_rawson> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1929888
[21:15] <michael_rawson> thread to put that here.
[21:15]  * bodhizazen looks
[21:15] <s-fox> Hello overdrank :)
[21:16] <s-fox> michael_rawson, okay please explain why we should change it periodically :)
[21:16] <bodhizazen> I think it is a good idea, but I do not know how easy (or hard) it will be
[21:16] <michael_rawson> Okay, I thought it would be a bit of fun for the community, for special events, and to give the forum a bit of a change every so often.
[21:17] <bodhizazen> Once the forums are upgraded there is a ton of stuff like that to be done
[21:17] <nothingspecial> I agree
[21:17]  * bodhizazen changes the banner to gentoo
[21:17] <s-fox> We do have another upgrade coming soon.
[21:17] <michael_rawson> Well, I guess only as difficult as an admin with upload rights...but okay, wait until forums upgrade. Hehe, bodhi.
[21:17] <michael_rawson> okay, that's me until forums upgrade. Thanks for having me!
[21:18] <s-fox> I think having special milestone banner would be good :)
[21:18] <michael_rawson> thank you, s-fox.
[21:18] <s-fox> As a compromise, what if we agree that if it is easy to do then we should. For example we should hit 2m members later this year
[21:19] <s-fox> Thoughts from the forum staff ?
[21:19] <coffeecat> There's 1st April as well!
[21:19] <Iowan> Pivit point will be difficulty - and who can do it.
[21:19] <moergaes> Sounds like a good idea.
[21:19] <nothingspecial> Personally, I would go further than that
[21:19] <Merk42> Well April 1st it'll be a Windows 8 banner
[21:20] <s-fox> We could get in bother for that Merk42
[21:20] <hobgoblin> I like the idea
[21:20] <bodhizazen> michael_rawson: Although we are admins on the forums, we do not have full access to the server
[21:20] <moergaes> Just not change is as often as Google.
[21:20] <Iowan> Windows 9?
[21:20] <coffeecat> Windows 95? :/
[21:21] <s-fox> bodhizazen we could speak with  the community council, sort of thing they might like to see
[21:21] <michael_rawson> of course. Although *somebody* must have an ssh password.
[21:21] <hobgoblin> moergaes: anything other than every other day then
[21:21] <bodhizazen> yep
[21:21] <s-fox> It doesn't hurt to ask. I can get in touch with rt if needed
[21:22] <s-fox> [VOTE] If community council agree, periodically update forum banner for special occasions
[21:22] <meetingology> Please vote on: If community council agree, periodically update forum banner for special occasions
[21:22] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
[21:22] <Iowan> +1
[21:22] <meetingology> +1 received from Iowan
[21:22] <s-fox> +1
[21:22] <meetingology> +1 received from s-fox
[21:22] <coffeecat> +1
[21:22] <overdrank> +0
[21:22] <meetingology> +1 received from coffeecat
[21:22] <meetingology> +0 received from overdrank
[21:22] <cariboo907> +1
[21:22] <Merk42> +1
[21:22] <bodhizazen> +1
[21:22] <meetingology> +1 received from cariboo907
[21:22] <meetingology> +1 received from Merk42
[21:22] <meetingology> +1 received from bodhizazen
[21:22] <moergaes> +
[21:22] <moergaes> 1
[21:22] <s-fox> overdrank
[21:22] <moergaes> +1
[21:22] <overdrank> waves
[21:22] <meetingology> +1 received from moergaes
[21:23] <s-fox> overdrank vote ;)
[21:23] <hobgoblin> overdrank did
[21:23] <michael_rawson> Wow, thanks folks.
[21:23] <bodhizazen> s-fox: overdrank	+0
[21:23] <Iowan> He did
[21:23] <s-fox> oh wait, i see
[21:23] <hobgoblin> :p
[21:23] <s-fox> [END VOTE]
[21:23] <bodhizazen> http://design.ubuntu.com/assets/ubuntu-logo
[21:23] <s-fox> [ENDVOTE]
[21:23] <meetingology> Voting ended on: If community council agree, periodically update forum banner for special occasions
[21:23] <meetingology> Votes for:7 Votes against:0 Abstentions:1
[21:23] <meetingology> Motion carried
[21:24] <s-fox> Syntax is everything
[21:24] <s-fox> haha
[21:24] <bodhizazen> http://design.ubuntu.com/wp-content/uploads/ubuntu-white-and-orange-on-aubergine.gif
[21:24] <s-fox> Who wants to contact the cc ?
[21:24] <nothingspecial> congrats michael_rawson  :)
[21:24] <s-fox> bodhizazen overdrank?
[21:24] <michael_rawson> :)
[21:25] <bodhizazen> Personally I would wait for upgrade, ask TV how easy / hard it will be, if hard -> rt with canonical
[21:25] <s-fox> Okay, that sounds like a plan to me.
[21:25] <overdrank> agree
[21:25] <bodhizazen> http://design.ubuntu.com/wp-content/uploads/brand-extensions-2.gif
[21:26] <michael_rawson> question: is there  a schedule for forum upgrades?
[21:26] <s-fox> [ACTION] Pick this up after upgrade
[21:26] <meetingology> ACTION: Pick this up after upgrade
[21:26] <bodhizazen> michael_rawson: Yes, upgrade is due to be complete no later then 7/1/2000
[21:26] <Iowan> which year?
[21:26] <s-fox> michael_rawson we have another upgrade soon :-)  we had one during the week
[21:26] <bodhizazen> and yes, that date is correct
[21:26] <michael_rawson> bodhizazen: Okay, I get the point. :D
[21:27] <Iowan> "
[21:27] <bodhizazen> michael_rawson: It is a big database and we want a smooth transition, our inbox was filled with bug reports over the weekend, so it is in progress, but somewhat unpredictable
[21:27] <s-fox> [TOPIC] Custom BBCodes
[21:27] <michael_rawson> yup, appreciate what you're doing.
[21:27] <s-fox> coffeecat, you're up
[21:27] <coffeecat> Not much to add to http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1925310 OK to go ahead?
[21:27] <s-fox> :)
[21:28] <bodhizazen> +10000
[21:28] <nothingspecial> +100001
[21:28] <Iowan> that pretty much sez it
[21:28] <cariboo907> +9000
[21:28] <s-fox> Looks good, wait until after upgrade
[21:28] <s-fox> :)
[21:28] <overdrank> +00000
[21:29] <coffeecat> I'm happy to wait until after upgrade.
[21:29] <nothingspecial> +1
[21:29] <s-fox> [ACTION] Custom BBCodes after upgrade
[21:29] <meetingology> ACTION: Custom BBCodes after upgrade
[21:30] <s-fox> [TOPIC] Outstanding Ubuntu Memberships (2)
[21:30] <nothingspecial> +1 to both
[21:30] <s-fox> I think we all voted in the staff thread. I think we just need to formalise it
[21:30] <bodhizazen> Just two ?
[21:30] <coffeecat> Just two.
[21:30] <bodhizazen> That is just sad
[21:30] <coffeecat> lechien73 and josephmills.
[21:31] <moergaes> How many members do we have in total?
[21:31] <s-fox> Isn' the subforum closed at the minute to new requests ?
[21:31] <coffeecat> I don't think so.
[21:31] <nothingspecial> no
[21:31] <nothingspecial> I think
[21:32] <Iowan> Thought there were some apps that hadn't been processed
[21:32] <nothingspecial> :/
[21:32] <coffeecat> No - and I changed the wiki page to read rolling applications.
[21:32] <s-fox> Okay, well either way we need to formalise the voting.
[21:32] <hobgoblin> moergaes: there are 48 members via forum it seems
[21:32] <s-fox> [VOTE] lechien73 for ubuntu membership
[21:32] <meetingology> Please vote on: lechien73 for ubuntu membership
[21:32] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
[21:32] <s-fox> +1
[21:32] <meetingology> +1 received from s-fox
[21:32] <coffeecat> +1
[21:32] <meetingology> +1 received from coffeecat
[21:32] <Merk42> +1
[21:32] <meetingology> +1 received from Merk42
[21:32] <overdrank> +1
[21:32] <meetingology> +1 received from overdrank
[21:32] <cariboo907> +1
[21:32] <meetingology> +1 received from cariboo907
[21:32] <bodhizazen> +1
[21:32] <meetingology> +1 received from bodhizazen
[21:32] <Iowan> +0
[21:32] <meetingology> +0 received from Iowan
[21:33] <s-fox> [ENDVOTE]
[21:33] <meetingology> Voting ended on: lechien73 for ubuntu membership
[21:33] <meetingology> Votes for:6 Votes against:0 Abstentions:1
[21:33] <meetingology> Motion carried
[21:33] <bodhizazen> |0?
[21:33] <Iowan> Just unfamiliar...
[21:33] <s-fox> [VOTE] josephmills for ubuntu membership
[21:33] <meetingology> Please vote on: josephmills for ubuntu membership
[21:33] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
[21:34] <overdrank> +1
[21:34] <meetingology> +1 received from overdrank
[21:34] <Iowan> +
[21:34] <coffeecat> +1
[21:34] <meetingology> +1 received from coffeecat
[21:34] <cariboo907> +1
[21:34] <meetingology> +1 received from cariboo907
[21:34] <Merk42> +1
[21:34] <meetingology> +1 received from Merk42
[21:34] <bodhizazen> +1
[21:34] <meetingology> +1 received from bodhizazen
[21:34] <s-fox> +1
[21:34] <meetingology> +1 received from s-fox
[21:35] <s-fox> [ENDVOTE]
[21:35] <meetingology> Voting ended on: josephmills for ubuntu membership
[21:35] <meetingology> Votes for:6 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[21:35] <meetingology> Motion carried
[21:35] <s-fox> Who wants to sort launchpad / bean images out ?
[21:35] <bodhizazen> I will add those two in, probably in a day or two
[21:36] <s-fox> [ACTION] bodhizazen to sort new ubuntu  members out
[21:36] <meetingology> ACTION: bodhizazen to sort new ubuntu  members out
[21:36] <s-fox> [TOPIC] Reverse mjp29 ban
[21:36] <bodhizazen> Unless someone else wants to learn the ropes, in which case I will help
[21:36] <bodhizazen> is mjp29 here ?
[21:36] <s-fox> Iowan ?
[21:37] <Iowan> I didn't think to send an invite.
[21:37] <s-fox> Was it a ban in error, or user contesting the ban?
[21:37] <bodhizazen> If mjp29 signs (gpg) the Ubuntu Code of Conduct I would allow him back on a trial basis
[21:37] <Iowan> User sent mail to list
[21:37] <Iowan> That was back in 2009
[21:38] <s-fox> 2009/
[21:38] <s-fox>  :o
[21:38] <Iowan> Nasty reply - I'd rather be banned f... forever than be censored.
[21:38] <Iowan> I was looking for page when I noticed time
[21:39] <s-fox> Okay, I'd go with that. Personally I would leave banned after that kind of reply.
[21:39] <bodhizazen> The user was trolling on the forums and requested a ban, lol
[21:39] <overdrank> Since I was involved +0
[21:39] <Iowan> Seems to have had change of heart - but wondered WHY he'd been banned.
[21:39] <s-fox> Do we have a link to the infraction thread ?
[21:39] <coffeecat> Sounds slightly disingenuous to wonder why
[21:40] <Iowan> I'd thiink he would remember a statement like that.
[21:40] <Iowan> We did. I was looking for it.
[21:40] <overdrank> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1334693&highlight=mjp29
[21:40] <s-fox> Thanks overdrank :)
[21:40] <overdrank> :)
[21:41] <coffeecat> That thread explains the 2 points but not the burnt beans.
[21:42] <overdrank> Further down, I believe it was a private message to kiwi or I
[21:42] <Iowan> As KiwiNZ put it - sounded like a request
[21:42] <s-fox> seem kiwi granted a wish
[21:42] <coffeecat> OK
[21:42] <Iowan> Would it be pudent to invite him to next meting?
[21:42] <s-fox> We could unburn, but leave user on strike 2
[21:43] <s-fox> +1 invite
[21:43] <bodhizazen> People change, but I would still insist on a gpg signed CoC =)
[21:43] <s-fox> We can tell him that at the next meeting bodhizazen
[21:43] <coffeecat> Agree with bodhizazen  about gpg signing.
[21:43] <bodhizazen> Naw, just send a response and be done with it
[21:43] <bodhizazen> This can be managed via email
[21:43] <bodhizazen> IMO
[21:44] <s-fox> [VOTE] Allow back on basis of gpg signed coc
[21:44] <meetingology> Please vote on: Allow back on basis of gpg signed coc
[21:44] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
[21:44] <cariboo907> -1
[21:44] <meetingology> -1 received from cariboo907
[21:44] <s-fox> +0
[21:44] <meetingology> +0 received from s-fox
[21:44] <Merk42> +0
[21:44] <meetingology> +0 received from Merk42
[21:44] <overdrank> +0
[21:44] <meetingology> +0 received from overdrank
[21:44] <Iowan> +0
[21:44] <meetingology> +0 received from Iowan
[21:44] <coffeecat> +0
[21:44] <meetingology> +0 received from coffeecat
[21:44] <bodhizazen> +1
[21:44] <meetingology> +1 received from bodhizazen
[21:45] <bodhizazen> lol
[21:45] <s-fox> [ENDVOTE]
[21:45] <meetingology> Voting ended on: Allow back on basis of gpg signed coc
[21:45] <meetingology> Votes for:1 Votes against:1 Abstentions:5
[21:45] <meetingology> Deadlock, casting vote may be used
[21:45] <Iowan> AI get to decide
[21:45] <s-fox> +1 AI
[21:46] <s-fox> But will that change anything?
[21:46] <s-fox> Even if AI +1s majority are still +0
[21:46] <Iowan> Nt with a +0
[21:46] <bodhizazen> +0 means go with AI =)
[21:47] <s-fox> [ACTION] Leave it  up to AI to decide
[21:47] <meetingology> ACTION: Leave it  up to AI to decide
[21:47] <Iowan> Metingology would have 2 -1 = passed
[21:47] <s-fox> ;)
[21:48] <s-fox> Okay,think that is it \o/
[21:48] <overdrank> Thanks s-fox
[21:49]  * cariboo907 says thanks too
[21:49] <s-fox> We still need a formal chair for fc
[21:49] <overdrank> me +1 for bodhizazen
[21:49] <cariboo907> +1 for s-fox
[21:49] <s-fox> I do not mind chairing, it's fun
[21:50] <s-fox> bodhizazen ?
[21:50] <bodhizazen> co-chair ? chair and vice-chair ?
[21:50] <bodhizazen> lol
[21:50] <overdrank> woohoo that works
[21:50] <s-fox> Our intention is to alternate the meeting times. some are going to  be better for me , some are going to be better for you
[21:51] <s-fox> Whoever it works best for on the day can be the chair
[21:51] <cariboo907> +1 for what bodhizazen  said
[21:51] <s-fox> agree?
[21:51] <nothingspecial> +1 split
[21:51] <Iowan> +1 co-chair
[21:51] <s-fox> For example, I missed start of last meeting because it was at 05:00 am for me
[21:52] <bodhizazen> In the "good old days" there was always 2 - matthew and UG, and IMO that was best, more balanced, less dictatorial
[21:52] <s-fox> Okay.
[21:52] <s-fox> [VOTE] bodhizazen and s-fox to co-chair
[21:52] <meetingology> Please vote on: bodhizazen and s-fox to co-chair
[21:52] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
[21:52] <s-fox> +1
[21:52] <meetingology> +1 received from s-fox
[21:52] <cariboo907> +1
[21:52] <meetingology> +1 received from cariboo907
[21:52] <overdrank> +1
[21:52] <meetingology> +1 received from overdrank
[21:52] <coffeecat> +1
[21:52] <meetingology> +1 received from coffeecat
[21:52] <Merk42> +!
[21:52] <Merk42> +1
[21:52] <meetingology> +1 received from Merk42
[21:52] <Iowan> +1
[21:52] <meetingology> +1 received from Iowan
[21:53] <s-fox> [ENDVOTE]
[21:53] <meetingology> Voting ended on: bodhizazen and s-fox to co-chair
[21:53] <meetingology> Votes for:6 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[21:53] <meetingology> Motion carried
[21:53] <bodhizazen> +0
[21:53] <s-fox> Thank you
[21:53] <bodhizazen> lol
[21:53] <s-fox> lol
[21:53] <s-fox> sorry bodhizazen
[21:53] <bodhizazen> np
[21:53] <bodhizazen> That was the fastest vote in the west
[21:53] <s-fox> Okay, i think we are done....
[21:53] <Iowan> I will continue emailing  mjp29 - if he refuses CoC, decision becomes easier.
[21:54] <s-fox> anything else ?
[21:54] <overdrank> No good day all
[21:54] <bodhizazen> I think that is a great idea Iowan
[21:54] <s-fox> +1 Iowan
[21:54] <bodhizazen> o/
[21:54] <bodhizazen> Update on forums upgrade ?
[21:54] <s-fox> Okay, ending the  meeting.
[21:55] <s-fox> bodhizazen It is in scc
[21:55] <s-fox> Thank you all for coming, great turnout
[21:55] <s-fox> :)
[21:55] <bodhizazen> Yea, but I was thinking a public update, ie minutes of this meeting, up to you
[21:55] <michael_rawson> s-fox "scc"?
[21:55] <bodhizazen> Just don't tell them about the super secret server =)
[21:56] <bodhizazen> doh -)
[21:56] <s-fox> michael_rawson staff discussion area away from prying eyes ;)
[21:56] <michael_rawson> kk. ;) I didn't hear that.
[21:56] <nothingspecial> :)
[21:57] <Iowan> SCC=Steering Column Cover  at work...
[21:57] <s-fox> Okay, to the room in general: The upgrade is happening soon, though we don't have an exact timeframe
[21:57] <nothingspecial> \o/
[21:57] <s-fox> Right, ending the  meeting...
[21:57] <s-fox> #endmeeting
[21:57] <meetingology> Meeting ended Wed Feb 29 21:57:53 2012 UTC.
[21:57] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-02-29-21.02.moin.txt
[21:57] <meetingology> Minutes (html):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-02-29-21.02.html
[21:58] <coffeecat> Thanks s-fox
[21:58] <s-fox> With 1 min to spare because am epic
[21:58] <Iowan> It's snowing outside
[21:58] <michael_rawson> you're all epic. Thanks for having me guys. bye!
[21:58] <s-fox> It's dark outside....
[21:58] <bodhizazen> thanks all
[21:59] <moergaes> Thanks for now. Bye!
[21:59] <s-fox> Thank you all for coming
[22:00] <s-fox> bodhizazen can you copy the meeting links? my tablet is playing up
[22:01] <s-fox> Managed to grab it,  nvm bodhizazen =)
[22:02] <bodhizazen> OK, thanks