[10:33] <G> hads: disappointed in sudden change in sales tact of RPi?
[18:27] <ibeardslee> morning
[18:27] <ibeardslee> G: I was, but it does make a lot of sense for them
[18:54] <ibeardslee> ordered mine from http://nz.element14.com/raspberry-pi/raspbrry-pcba/sbc-raspberry-pi-model-b/dp/2081185, although there is a 38 lead time on those.
[18:55] <ibeardslee> $48.26+GST
[19:05] <snail> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Owen_Wilkes made the front page of wikipedia over night...
[19:23] <ajmitch> morning
[19:25] <snail> mōrena
[19:35] <Atamira> mornin
[19:45] <chilts> morning
[19:52] <codepal> morning
[19:52]  * codepal hopes ajmitch got an early night ;-)
[19:53] <thumper> morning
[19:54] <thumper> hmm... this channel is now one of four that start #ubuntu-
[19:54] <codepal> any suggestions for a screwed up 10.04, I installed updates that are giving me segmentation faults on nm-applet & other things...
[19:54] <thumper> that I have open
[19:54] <codepal> I'm thinking dpkg --force-downgrade *.deb
[19:54] <codepal> for some files, but maybe a kernel downgrade would help in this case instead?
[19:56] <ajmitch> thumper: only 4?
[19:56] <chilts> *cough* one-upper *cough* :-p
[19:56] <chilts> sorry, only messing, I had to :)
[19:57] <codepal> I stuck with LTS because I wanted my wacom tablet to work
[19:57] <codepal> I had it working
[19:58] <codepal> now I have no reason to use 10.04, cause it's broken
[19:58]  * codepal considers upgrading to next LTS
[19:58] <snail> thumper: I'd start by reinstalling all currently installed packages...
[19:58] <codepal> I've no network connection to reinstall with....
[20:01] <thumper> codepal: well that blows
[20:02] <thumper> unfortunately I don't actually know that much about ubuntu :)
[20:03] <codepal> yea, I'd have to create a script for all the packages I want to reinstall, download that on another machine ( maybe my debian 6 box )
[20:03] <codepal> then move those debs over to the faulty 10.04
[20:03] <codepal> it's doable, but messy
[20:04] <ajmitch> boot off live cd, get networking going there, mount & chroot your actual installation, fix it, ???, profit
[20:04]  * ajmitch got to do that recently when switching out a hard drive in the laptop
[20:04] <codepal> ajmitch, that's probably my problem
[20:04] <codepal> I switched this SSD out of a desktop machine to laptop
[20:05] <codepal> but when I put it back in the desktop
[20:05] <codepal> it's still got no networking, gonna try the live-cd route first
[20:05] <ajmitch> you shouldn't need to take it out to fix it, but getting segfaults on things is a bit interesting
[20:06] <codepal> a bit? - I don't find it interesting at all
[20:06] <ajmitch> oh it's interesting, just not desired :)
[20:06] <codepal> darned inconvenient when it's my main ubuntu LTS that's not working.....
[20:07] <codepal> I let you know if I make progress
[20:07] <codepal> if I don't, well, I'll probably sit in a puddle of despair for a couple of days
[20:08] <ajmitch> or just ask, I'm sure someone has an idea of how it could be fixed
[20:17] <mwhudson> morning
[20:55] <ojwb> morning
[22:28] <G> ibeardslee: (argh powercut) that price is +GST?  oh gosh, and I thought it looked like a notbad deal...  and yeah, I agree in teh long run it's great for the project, just a pity that they changed it last minute
[23:37] <ibeardslee> G: yeah +GST
[23:38]  * ajmitch hopes that shipping isn't extra on top of that
[23:39] <ibeardslee> nope
[23:39] <ibeardslee> it's included
[23:40] <G> ibeardslee: I couldn't (and still can't) see anything on that page that says +GST, pretty bad imo
[23:42]  * ojwb wonders if there's any connection between this element14 and the element14 which was part of Acorn's later history
[23:43] <G> ibeardslee: ahhh I see, add to cart, check cart = GST magicly appears... at least places like PB Tech are pretty open and forthcoming that GST is extra
[23:45] <ojwb> maybe they typically supply to businesses
[23:45] <ojwb> but it would be clearer to mention it alongside the price even so
[23:47] <G> ojwb: yeah, but even places that supply to businesses and exclude GST have in the footer "Prices exclude GST"
[23:49] <G> ojwb: RS are good citizens too and make it pretty clear: http://newzealand.rs-online.com/web/p/single-board-computer/7166400/?origin=PSF_352187|fp
[23:51] <ojwb> element14 don't quote their GST number prominently either
[23:51] <ojwb> and the "pricing" section of the faq doesn't mention gst
[23:51] <G> ojwb: I was just going to say that, their FAQ/Help pages don't mention
[23:52] <G> bad way to go about it imo
[23:52] <ojwb> yeah
[23:54] <G> I'd prefer to buy from RS, but RS' NZ & AU sites don't mention the RPi
[23:54] <G> might fire them off an e-mail and ask