[10:33] hads: disappointed in sudden change in sales tact of RPi? === lifeless_ is now known as lifeless [18:27] morning [18:27] G: I was, but it does make a lot of sense for them [18:54] ordered mine from http://nz.element14.com/raspberry-pi/raspbrry-pcba/sbc-raspberry-pi-model-b/dp/2081185, although there is a 38 lead time on those. [18:55] $48.26+GST [19:05] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Owen_Wilkes made the front page of wikipedia over night... [19:23] morning [19:25] mōrena [19:35] mornin [19:45] morning [19:52] morning [19:52] * codepal hopes ajmitch got an early night ;-) [19:53] morning [19:54] hmm... this channel is now one of four that start #ubuntu- [19:54] any suggestions for a screwed up 10.04, I installed updates that are giving me segmentation faults on nm-applet & other things... [19:54] that I have open [19:54] I'm thinking dpkg --force-downgrade *.deb [19:54] for some files, but maybe a kernel downgrade would help in this case instead? [19:56] thumper: only 4? [19:56] *cough* one-upper *cough* :-p [19:56] sorry, only messing, I had to :) [19:57] I stuck with LTS because I wanted my wacom tablet to work [19:57] I had it working [19:58] now I have no reason to use 10.04, cause it's broken [19:58] * codepal considers upgrading to next LTS [19:58] thumper: I'd start by reinstalling all currently installed packages... [19:58] I've no network connection to reinstall with.... [20:01] codepal: well that blows [20:02] unfortunately I don't actually know that much about ubuntu :) [20:03] yea, I'd have to create a script for all the packages I want to reinstall, download that on another machine ( maybe my debian 6 box ) [20:03] then move those debs over to the faulty 10.04 [20:03] it's doable, but messy [20:04] boot off live cd, get networking going there, mount & chroot your actual installation, fix it, ???, profit [20:04] * ajmitch got to do that recently when switching out a hard drive in the laptop [20:04] ajmitch, that's probably my problem [20:04] I switched this SSD out of a desktop machine to laptop [20:05] but when I put it back in the desktop [20:05] it's still got no networking, gonna try the live-cd route first [20:05] you shouldn't need to take it out to fix it, but getting segfaults on things is a bit interesting [20:06] a bit? - I don't find it interesting at all [20:06] oh it's interesting, just not desired :) [20:06] darned inconvenient when it's my main ubuntu LTS that's not working..... [20:07] I let you know if I make progress [20:07] if I don't, well, I'll probably sit in a puddle of despair for a couple of days [20:08] or just ask, I'm sure someone has an idea of how it could be fixed [20:17] morning [20:55] morning [22:28] ibeardslee: (argh powercut) that price is +GST? oh gosh, and I thought it looked like a notbad deal... and yeah, I agree in teh long run it's great for the project, just a pity that they changed it last minute [23:37] G: yeah +GST [23:38] * ajmitch hopes that shipping isn't extra on top of that [23:39] nope [23:39] it's included [23:40] ibeardslee: I couldn't (and still can't) see anything on that page that says +GST, pretty bad imo [23:42] * ojwb wonders if there's any connection between this element14 and the element14 which was part of Acorn's later history [23:43] ibeardslee: ahhh I see, add to cart, check cart = GST magicly appears... at least places like PB Tech are pretty open and forthcoming that GST is extra [23:45] maybe they typically supply to businesses [23:45] but it would be clearer to mention it alongside the price even so [23:47] ojwb: yeah, but even places that supply to businesses and exclude GST have in the footer "Prices exclude GST" [23:49] ojwb: RS are good citizens too and make it pretty clear: http://newzealand.rs-online.com/web/p/single-board-computer/7166400/?origin=PSF_352187|fp [23:51] element14 don't quote their GST number prominently either [23:51] and the "pricing" section of the faq doesn't mention gst [23:51] ojwb: I was just going to say that, their FAQ/Help pages don't mention [23:52] bad way to go about it imo [23:52] yeah [23:54] I'd prefer to buy from RS, but RS' NZ & AU sites don't mention the RPi [23:54] might fire them off an e-mail and ask