[01:12] <directhex> good lord i hate adding javascript to web pages
[01:17] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jono Bacon] Improving Accomplishments Documentation - http://www.jonobacon.org/2012/02/29/improving-accomplishments-documentation/
[04:41] <Azelphur> ali1234: you awake? :P
[04:48] <czajkowski> I am and not hapy about it
[04:49] <shauno> Azelphur, any other day I'd laugh at you, but the 'pi' is coming on sale in an hour, so ..
[04:49] <Azelphur> haha
[04:49] <shauno> (at least, I hope that's why I'm awake,  they didn't exactly spell it out, but they came real close)
[05:01] <sagaci> so I'm guessing it'll be like going on ticketek before the sale of a big concert
[05:52] <ali1234> the website is already down lol
[05:54] <Azelphur> haha
[05:54] <Azelphur> ali1234: is it easy to talk to a PCI device?
[05:54] <ali1234> sure
[05:54] <Azelphur> could I do it in snakes?
[05:54] <ali1234> i would a use computer
[05:54] <ali1234> snakes are too bitey
[05:55] <Azelphur> haha
[05:55] <Azelphur> Python :P
[05:55] <MartijnVdS> Aaand raspberrypi.org is down :)
[05:55] <ali1234> of course it is. their website can't even handle normal load
[05:56] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: they said they'd switch to a static page instead of the blog
[05:56] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: static pages have a lot less overhead
[05:56] <Azelphur> ali1234: but yea, my friend is interested in making a miner that sits on PCIE and I want to talk to it in a nutshell, suggestions? :P
[05:57] <ali1234> use USB instead
[05:59] <Azelphur> main reasons why? :)
[06:01]  * Azelphur is attempting to learn things \o/
[06:01] <ali1234> cheaper development costs, easier to make drivers, less likely to catch fire
[06:02] <Azelphur> fair enough :D
[06:02] <Azelphur> all good things for me haha
[06:02] <shauno> it looks like they managed to take our farnell's site in the process :/
[06:03] <ali1234> nah farnell goes down all the time outside working hours
[06:03] <shauno> oh, fair enough
[06:05] <Azelphur> I got through they switched to a static html site
[06:07] <ali1234> "go and search rs or farnell"
[06:07] <MartijnVdS> which are both down now :)
[06:07] <ali1234> rs isn't down, but they won't actually sell you one
[06:07] <ali1234> http://uk.rs-online.com/web/generalDisplay.html?id=raspberrypi
[06:07] <MartijnVdS> no farnell is down
[06:08] <ali1234> yeah, farnell's website is almost as bad as raspberrypi.org
[06:08] <MartijnVdS> .. at the best of times
[06:12] <Oli> Argl this is like pulling teeth.
[06:16] <Oli> Anyone found the right RS page yet?
[06:21] <diplo> Nope
[06:22] <diplo> Twitter just mentioned a redirect
[06:22] <diplo> Isn't thissad
[06:22] <diplo> :/
[06:22] <diplo> I'd ordered one on farnell, and then the page went
[06:23]  * diplo debates going back to sleep
[06:25] <ali1234> RS are a huge bunch of jerks anyway
[06:26] <ali1234> afaik they won't even talk to you unless you have a VAT number
[06:26] <ali1234> and don't farnell have a £30 minimum order?
[06:27] <diplo> Not used either in a few years
[06:28] <diplo> Just got order page
[06:28] <diplo> and then connection reset :(
[06:28] <diplo> I really cba with this
[06:29] <shauno> you got an order page?  I got a "you want one?  give us your email address"
[06:30] <ali1234> that's because you went to RS and RS suck
[06:31] <MartijnVdS> Oh well, I'll wait for the second batch then
[06:31] <MartijnVdS> when the sites aren't down
[06:34] <AlanBell> morning
[06:34]  * AlanBell looks at lots of down websites and goes back to bed
[06:35] <diplo> :D
[06:35] <diplo> Farnell have sold out according to twitter
[06:35] <AlanBell> #rasberrypi is going a bit fast, it is like #ubuntu inthere
[06:35] <diplo> that was the one i sorta got working
[06:36] <diplo> Wonder if this is why they did 6am, so the takedown was before work hours :)
[06:37] <diplo> Our websites are currently unavailable whilst we perform a scheduled system upgrade.
[06:37] <diplo> Every effort has been made to minimise the impact of this event and we apologise for any inconvenience this has caused.
[06:37] <diplo> @Farnell :D
[06:37] <MartijnVdS> Yeah, "oops"
[06:38] <MartijnVdS> It's like the RPi people said "Hey, Farnell, you need to be able to handle a LOT of requests."
[06:38] <MartijnVdS> and Farnell "Sure, whatever."
[06:39] <ali1234> hey, on the bright side, farnell might fix their website
[06:40] <diplo> That's a big ask ali1234 :)
[06:40] <diplo> https://twitter.com/#!/FarnellNews
[06:42]  * MartijnVdS really needs to go to work
[06:44] <diplo> :D
[06:49] <Oli> Well they were idiots not to expect this. They've known that they've had millions of visitors on their website over the past few months - they should have set up some sort of lottery pre-order system to handle this. I just feel sorry for people who rely on RS and Farnell to get work done.
[06:49] <ali1234> yep
[06:52] <diplo> I used them most days in my last job
[06:52] <diplo> Well battery is about to give up, so guess that means me giving up as well
[06:56] <ali1234> "Initially the £22 model of the Pi, which includes wifi, will be offered for sale. "
[06:56] <ali1234> bbc doesn't know the difference between wifi and ethernet
[06:56] <diplo> :_
[06:56] <diplo> :)
[06:56] <diplo> I find it a bit worrying about some news stories
[06:57] <diplo> lol farnell loaded again
[06:57] <diplo> and then promptly died
[06:57] <diplo> :D
[06:58] <ali1234> also "teaching people to programme."
[06:58] <ali1234> as in, like, scheduling tv shows?
[06:58] <diplo> :P
[06:58] <diplo> Right, well more warnings for battery, so 2 mins and i think i'll be dead..
[06:59] <diplo> wait for work then
[07:01] <dwatkins> has anyone managed to get anything but failure from RS or Farnell's websites?
[07:01] <ali1234> no
[07:14] <Oli> Damnit. RS loaded again but they're *still* only showing the register interest page >_<
[07:15] <Oli> Y YOO NO LERN?!
[07:15] <Oli> I feel like today is going to be a grumpy day.
[07:31] <popey> haha, trending on twitter... raspberry pi, rs and farnell ☺
[07:31] <diplo> :P
[07:36] <popey> bzoltan: /join #ubuntu
[07:36] <popey> bah!
[07:48] <TheOpenSourcerer> Pi just discussed on R4 Today.
[07:57] <MooDoo> morning all
[07:57] <MooDoo> TheOpenSourcerer: sites now a static page due to high traffic so i can't get one :(
[07:57] <TheOpenSourcerer> yeah - lol
[07:57] <MooDoo> rs aren't available and farnell site is down
[07:58] <ali1234> farnll sold out an hour ago
[07:58] <TheOpenSourcerer> Reminds me of the HP Touchpad firesale but for much better reasons.
[07:58] <popey> told my daughter to go to school and ask the ICT teacher about them ☺
[07:58] <MooDoo> popey: ready for a "say what?" response
[07:59] <ali1234> "linux is a virus"
[08:00] <ali1234> you can expect the entrenched microsoft resellers to step up this FUD
[08:01] <popey> I gave her enough information that she can explain it to him ☺
[08:01] <ali1234> "the raspberry pi is a circuit board with no software included"
[08:02] <popey> I also told her how much it costs and she said "I have enough saved pocket money to buy one!"
[08:02] <ali1234> - bbc 6 music lol
[08:02] <popey> i said she could write programs on it
[08:02] <popey> "Like minecraft?"
[08:02] <ali1234> ICT teachers don't take kindly to having things explained to them
[08:02] <popey> true
[08:02] <popey> this guy is actually alright
[08:03] <popey> he's not some old crusty with no idea, he gets the kids quite excited about computers
[08:03] <ali1234> minecraft on rpi? bwahahahahaha
[08:03] <popey> ☺
[08:03] <ali1234> maybe if they make a 4GB version
[08:04] <ali1234> the mer project guy had to patch the libegl just to make Qt work properly on it
[08:04] <TheOpenSourcerer> What can I get my Dad for his birthday? He'll be 85 tomorrow.
[08:05] <diplo> Beer/Whiskey
[08:05] <ali1234> (or any standard egl+x11 software for that matter)
[08:05] <diplo> That's all I ever get asked for my dad :)
[08:05] <TheOpenSourcerer> Been there done that :-(
[08:05] <TheOpenSourcerer> He now has enough Scotch for quite a while.
[08:06] <diplo> My gran says never have got enough scotch
[08:06] <diplo> All we ever buy her now
[08:06] <diplo> 96
[08:06] <diplo> Glaswegian, reckon shes been drinking it since a young lassy
[08:06] <TheOpenSourcerer> DJones: Just suggested a Raspberry Pi to me on Twitter ;-p
[08:07] <diplo> Guess none of you had any luck
[08:07] <DJones> And the custard/cream
[08:08] <christel> TheOpenSourcerer: pong (somewhat delayed, passed out at 9pm)
[08:08] <TheOpenSourcerer> Hi christel no worries.
[08:08] <TheOpenSourcerer> can I pm you?
[08:09] <christel> of course :)
[08:23] <MooDoo> TheOpenSourcerer: looks like people are struggling to get one at the moment
[08:24] <TheOpenSourcerer> MooDoo: Yep - RS and Farnell died under the weight.
[08:24] <TheOpenSourcerer> Apparently Farnell sold out in 7 minutes
[08:26] <MooDoo> amazing
[08:26] <TheOpenSourcerer> Yeah - can't believe some peeps are apparently getting angry about it. I think that's great.
[08:27] <diplo> Still seeing people getting orders on farnell in #raspberrypi though
[08:27] <TheOpenSourcerer> Just think of the number of peeps' hands this will ultimately get Linux into. And they will know it is Linux, rather than a phone or STB
[08:27] <diplo> So not sure
[08:28] <popey> i got one in my basket 2 mins ago
[08:28] <popey> but it's pre-order, they have run out
[08:28] <TheOpenSourcerer> I'm at a page where I can still "add to basket" but the next step is #fail
[08:28] <popey> yeah, their https server is borked
[08:29] <diplo> I had add to basket and clicked it at 6:04 :(
[08:29] <TheOpenSourcerer> Oooh - got to the basket :-)
[08:29] <diplo> It stuck there until it timed out
[08:29] <diplo> So won't bother now until later and just back order
[08:30] <TheOpenSourcerer> Although I'm quite interested in the Pi package, with kbd etc.
[08:30] <TheOpenSourcerer> Will probably wait a few days I think.
[08:33] <TheOpenSourcerer> Going through checkout. I have an account with Farnell already for some the Nanode stuff I bough before.
[08:33] <popey> \o/ ordered two
[08:33] <popey> "An email has been sent confirming the order you have just placed. "
[08:38] <TheOpenSourcerer> W00t! Order placed.
[08:38] <AlanBell> from which store?
[08:38] <TheOpenSourcerer> Email appeared straight away.
[08:38] <TheOpenSourcerer> Farnell
[08:39] <AlanBell> is it a pre-order?
[08:39] <TheOpenSourcerer> Well it's an order.
[08:39] <TheOpenSourcerer> But they are awaiting stock.
[08:39]  * AlanBell has one in the basket, every other page refresh is not working
[08:40] <TheOpenSourcerer> They have my card details and have authorised the sale
[08:40] <christel> have any of you guys tried letting your kids play around with conductive dough? (squishy circuits) -- i ordered some bits and pieces and thought i'd see if the boy wonder would enjoy it (http://courseweb.stthomas.edu/apthomas/SquishyCircuits/)
[08:40] <christel> mind, your kids may be a bit too old, i dunno
[08:40] <TheOpenSourcerer> And have confirmed my order by email.
[08:40] <DJones> I wonder how many on this model have already ended up on ebay at inflated prices with a promise to send them out when delivered to the original buyer
[08:40] <TheOpenSourcerer> Ha that looks like fun
[08:40] <diplo> Nope christel , taking a look now ( 4 and 5 year olds so maybe to young ? )
[08:43] <christel> the boy is only 2! 4 and 5 may be a good (better) age actually
[08:43] <christel> (i suspect it will be more fun for me than him at this stage perhaps)
[08:43] <christel> yeah, i thought it was a grand idea
[08:43] <diplo> oh :)
[08:44] <diplo> Looks really good
[08:44] <christel> it takes the playdough of my childhood to a totally different level :s
[08:44] <TheOpenSourcerer> That's really cool christel - great video. But you can make the playdough yourself.
[08:44] <diplo> you bought anything yet ?
[08:45] <christel> yeah, i've ordered some of their circuit stuff, intending to make the playdough at home
[08:45] <christel> (it hasnt arrived mind)
[08:46] <diplo> Interested to see how it works out for you, also interested in what parts you ordered
[08:47] <TheOpenSourcerer> Somewhere like Farnell, or the nanode/arduino shops would be pretty good for components.
[08:48] <christel> i bought their "starter kit" (http://squishycircuitsstore.com/kits.html) -- i think i may (if it is a success) just buy components elsewhere mind
[08:48] <christel> yeah
[08:50] <diplo> Maybe not from Farnell today TheOpenSourcerer :D
[08:51] <christel> hehe
[08:52] <AlanBell> at the back of maplins they have lots of interesting components in little bags, you can get a load of assorted LEDs and other things
[08:52] <christel> oooh
[08:52] <TheOpenSourcerer> lol: https://twitter.com/#!/Raspberry_Pi/status/174778870082441216
[08:52] <christel> perhaps i need to nip into maplins and have a poke
[08:52] <diplo> Good thinking, reckon that will work ok with this stuff
[08:56] <christel> AlanBell: when/where is the next happy hour? :x
[09:04] <czajkowski> aloha
[09:04] <christel> hello prettylaura
[09:04] <MooDoo> morning czajkowski
[09:04] <czajkowski> hello my lovely christel
[09:04] <MooDoo> christel: how very dare you.....gorgeous is the word your looking for
[09:05] <christel> hello gorgeous MooDoo ;)
[09:05] <MooDoo> christel: i love you
[09:05]  * DJones checks the date to see if he's gone back in time to 14th Feb
[09:06] <christel> i love you too!
[09:06] <ali1234> don't buy those maplins assortments
[09:06] <christel> DJones: haha
[09:06] <christel> ali1234: are they rubbish?
[09:06] <ali1234> you can never figure out what the things are, so you can't use half of it
[09:06] <christel> hahaha
[09:06] <ali1234> LEDs without datasheet = burned LED
[09:07] <ali1234> they are ok when it's stuff that is marked like resistors and capacitors
[09:10] <christel> hehe
[09:10] <christel> yeah i can see how that could be problematic
[09:10]  * heeed give evils at popey 
[09:10] <popey> heh
[09:10] <heeed> >:D
[09:11] <heeed> theres me right from the start trying to get a pi and you just saunter up and order two
[09:11] <heeed> :D
[09:12] <MooDoo> how'd you get two popey ?
[09:12]  * TheOpenSourcerer ordered 2 too (I have two kids)
[09:13] <MooDoo> i thought it was only one per customer?
[09:13] <heeed> any links for the actual secret page we were not told about?
[09:13] <TheOpenSourcerer> MooDoo: I think that was before they decided to use RS & Farnell to do the distribution/logistics
[09:14] <MooDoo> ah
[09:14] <TheOpenSourcerer> Shame Google didn't do a Raspberry Pi graphic rather than Gioachino Rossini
[09:15] <diplo> TheOpenSourcerer, nah Raspberrys twitter page saying they expressly said that it should be 1 per customer
[09:15] <diplo> to RS/Farnell
[09:16] <TheOpenSourcerer> Well, Farnell took my order.
[09:18] <ali1234> yeah, but unless you ordered before about 6:01am you won't be getting them from the first batch
[09:18] <TheOpenSourcerer> I know that.
[09:18] <TheOpenSourcerer> It clearly said out of stock.
[09:18] <ali1234> and nobody has ever said it would be !one per customer forever"
[09:18] <diplo> I tried @ 5:55 onwards, failed :(
[09:19] <TheOpenSourcerer> Anyway - here's a cheery piece about how the Earth is doomed: http://arstechnica.com/science/news/2012/02/getting-ready-for-the-end-of-growth-on-earth.ars
[09:22] <diplo> I agree with them tbh TheOpenSourcerer , not that I am some one who can even think that I know what I am talking about
[09:23] <diplo> But I 'feel' the same way
[09:23] <TheOpenSourcerer> Yep, me too. We're totally fscked if we just carry on regardless.
[09:27] <JamesTait> Happy Leap Day, everyone! :D
[09:30] <bigcalm[xoom]> Good morning peeps :)
[09:30] <DJones> Still mobile I see bigcalm[xoom]
[09:31] <bigcalm[xoom]> Aye
[09:46] <daubers> Morning
[09:48] <KrisDouglas> Morning all. I am having an issue with SSH from our broadband line here. When I connect to a server and run "ls" the connection drops. SSH works fine from anywhere other than here.
[09:49] <ali1234> check your MTU and packet fragmentation settings on router
[09:49] <ali1234> see http://www.snailbook.com/faq/mtu-mismatch.auto.html
[09:52] <oimon> what's the best way to refresh my unity setup without reinstalling ubuntu? (i have a working gnome-shell setup i want to keep)
[09:53] <KrisDouglas> thanks ali1234
[09:57] <daubers> so does anyone have any idea who Michael Rockman is?
[09:57] <ali1234> context?
[09:58] <DJones> Candian tennis player?
[09:58] <daubers> Appears as a quoted "tchinology jounralist"  on http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-17192823
[09:58] <daubers> urgh//// slow interwebs is slow
[09:58] <daubers> technology journalist even
[09:59] <daubers> the only relevant result I get for him is that article.....
[09:59] <ali1234> oh, the only person they could find who didn't like it
[09:59] <daubers> yeah... bit I have no idea who he is :)
[10:00] <daubers> I htink they mean "Simon Rockman" from ZDNet
[10:01] <ali1234> that or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mega_Man_%28character%29
[10:09] <oimon> ah, fixed my osd notify issues by starting notify-osd daemon :D
[10:09] <oimon> popey, that dot in the right hand corner of my windows...i put that there
[10:09] <popey> hah
[10:10] <oimon> it's a cute way of putting windows on different workspaces
[10:10] <oimon> although right mouse button does the same thing...it's nice to have a target
[10:11] <oimon> while i try to learn left sided buttons
[10:14] <oimon> performance of unity seems better than gnome shell by a fair distance
[10:14] <oimon> in 11.10
[10:14] <ali1234> :O
[10:14] <ali1234> for me it is much slower
[10:14] <oimon> in my experience
[10:14] <oimon> i have nvidia dual screen...gnome shell hates it
[10:14] <ali1234> so do i
[10:15] <ali1234> unity can't go above 17 fps here
[10:15] <oimon>  nVidia Corporation G86 [Quadro NVS 290]
[10:15] <oimon> ali1234, how do i check
[10:15] <oimon> fps
[10:15] <ali1234> some compiz plugin
[10:16] <gord> yeah that plugin isn't a good measure
[10:17] <ali1234> i can tell the framerate by just looking
[10:18] <oimon> ali1234, i had to restart gnome shell many times per day becuase xorg was 100% cpu
[10:18] <gord> i get 60+ fps on all my machines
[10:21] <oimon> ali1234, which nividia card?
[10:21] <ali1234> GT 240
[10:21]  * AlanBell wonders how to tell the framerate
[10:22] <gord> AlanBell, there aren't any reliable utilities for that
[10:22] <oimon> ali1234, i'm getting 60fps
[10:22] <AlanBell> well from where are people plucking these figures?
[10:23] <ali1234> AlanBell: just grab a fairly large window and move it about. if it's completely smooth => 60 fps. if it is a bit juddery but doesnn't lag => 30 fps and if it is laggy and extremely juddery => 15fps
[10:23] <oimon> compiz extras plugin from sw center
[10:23] <gord> either you get one that forces a new frame constantly, which is cheating, not a good statistic, or you try and measure real framerates which doesn't work because unity will render variable framerates, only drawing a new frame if its needed
[10:23] <AlanBell> oimon: specifically which one?
[10:23] <gord> ali1234, no, thats not good
[10:23] <ali1234> it's fine
[10:23] <ali1234> i don't care if unity can do 60fps when no windows are being updated
[10:23] <ali1234> *that* is cheating
[10:23] <oimon> AlanBell, benchmark,
[10:24] <gord> no its not, its not measuring framerate, rather compiz's communication with X
[10:24] <oimon> ali1234, when i move a window it goes up to 70fps
[10:24] <bigcalm[xoom]> Use minecraft?
[10:24] <gord> there is a long standing issue with compiz moving windows as its tries to keep X synchronized, which causes the movement to look jittery
[10:25] <ali1234> framerate = how fast can you redraw the whole frame
[10:25] <ali1234> not how fast you can flip unchanged buffers
[10:25] <oimon> this whole desktop hopping is making me sad
[10:25] <gord> no. framerate = how many frames you can present in a second
[10:25] <AlanBell> ok, benchmark seems to go up to 30fps
[10:25] <gord> redraw time = how fast you can redraw a frame
[10:26] <ali1234> ok then. let me put it this way: unity redraw time sucks, and i don't care about "framerate"
[10:31] <oimon> ali1234, 11.10 or other?
[10:31] <ali1234> 11.10
[10:31] <ali1234> 12.04 has a large number of fixes
[10:31] <oimon> seems to be quite a variation among gfx cards then
[10:31] <oimon> i am experiencing complete opposite issues
[10:31] <oimon> although gnome shell is quite fast for first hour
[10:32] <oimon> it is unusable after a while
[10:32] <ali1234> on 11.10, fr me, unity is "fast" (ie 30fps) for the first hour, then gets slower and slower until dragging a window takes 5 seconds or so to redraw the screen
[10:33] <ali1234> i've never used gnome-shell long enough to encounter any problems, but it is faster right from the start here
[10:33] <oimon> ali1234, i'll report back in an houe
[10:33] <oimon> i tend to login and think, hey this is workable..
[10:34] <oimon> then later that week/day i hate it
[10:34] <ali1234> you could always use fallback mode
[10:34] <oimon> it's not gnome2 tho
[10:34] <ali1234> it pretty much is actually
[10:34] <ali1234> in 12.04 it is anyway
[10:34] <oimon> oh ok
[10:35] <oimon> i'm on my prod work box atm
[10:35] <ali1234> you can even add all the old panel applets... because it's just gnome-panel
[10:35] <ali1234> and it is incredibly fast
[10:35] <oimon> ali1234, that makes me happy - does it run compiz?
[10:35] <ali1234> and by "incredibly fast" i mean it's as fast as gnome 2 used to be
[10:35] <oimon> that is promising
[10:35] <ali1234> it runs compiz if you want it to i suppose
[10:35] <ali1234> metacity by default though
[10:35] <oimon> i thought 12.04 was dropping fallback
[10:36] <ali1234> it's called "gnome classic" now
[10:36] <ali1234> maybe it isn't installed by default... idk
[10:36] <ali1234> you might need to install gnome-shell to get it
[10:36] <ali1234> "ubuntu classic" is what was dropped
[10:37] <ali1234> gnome-session-fallback is the package you need
[10:42] <s-fox> o/
[10:47] <MooDoo> hi s-fox x
[10:47] <s-fox> Hello MooDoo
[10:47] <s-fox> How are you ?
[10:47] <MooDoo> s-fox: faboo thanks
[10:50] <s-fox> Good MooDoo :)
[10:51] <DJones> Hmmh, I need to look for a PCIe x16 graphics card with dual screen output for a Win 7 machine and is reasonably priced
[10:52] <phpstud> Hi, I'm using Ubuntu Desktop version and I love it!
[10:52] <TheOpenSourcerer> RASPBERRY PI, MODEL Qty Ordered 1 Qty to Follow 1 Estimated Delivery W/C 26/03/2012 :-)
[10:52] <gord> DJones, doing anything interesting with it? games or 3d modelling or whatever?
[10:53] <s-fox> TheOpenSourcerer,  Where did you order one from?
[10:53] <TheOpenSourcerer> farnell s-fox
[10:54] <DJones> gord: No, just lack of screen space on 1920x900 monitor, I need to have some constantly updating data on screen all the time (exchange rates etc), but a web client & bank software takes up a fair chunk of screen
[10:54] <MooDoo> sold out in 7 mins at farnell :D
[10:54] <Oli> I think most of the stock went on their lower-trafficked sites because the UK site crumbled after about 4 minutes.
[10:55] <s-fox> I did wonder how long the sites would stay up ;)
[10:56] <oimon> why does everyone want rpi on first day?
[10:56] <s-fox> I registered interest on rs-online, but no email about placing an order as of yet :/
[10:56] <oimon> hoepfully the spec will improve during the year ;D
[10:56] <gord> DJones, an nvidia 200 series gpu should do you fine then, just look on ebuyer to find one with at least two outputs, most do
[10:56] <gord> DJones, about 30 quid
[10:56] <Oli> Not long enough for me to click the Add button (ajax crashed) and that was at 6:04. Couldn't refresh after that :(
[10:56] <DJones> gord: Thanks, thats the sort of price I was looking at
[11:00] <Oli> For a few more pounds you can stick three monitors on a AMD 5450
[11:00] <Oli> And I do just mean a few, Ebuyer have one for £23.50
[11:00] <DJones> Nice
[11:01] <Oli> And on paper, the 5450 uses less power and has better performance
[11:01] <Oli> http://www.hwcompare.com/376/geforce-gt-210-vs-radeon-hd-5450/
[11:01] <Oli> (than the 210, budget nvidia card)
[11:02] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[11:02] <daubers> ping popey
[11:02] <daubers> popey: Error establishing a database connection <- from uupc site
[11:02] <Oli> brobostigon: Is it? Is it really?
[11:02] <popey> bah
[11:02] <brobostigon> Oli: yes.
[11:03] <Oli> I saw the crack of DOOM this morning as I crawled out of bed at 10 to 6 to buy a RasPi and here I am, hours later, with no RasPi in sight.
[11:03] <MooDoo> Oli: same as rest of us.
[11:04]  * Oli grumbles his way off to make an espresso 
[11:12] <davmor2> morning funksters
[11:12] <davmor2> bigcalm[xoom]|: still no vm
[11:13] <bigcalm[xoom]|> Hi davmor2
[11:13] <davmor2> czajkowski: PROD!!!!!!!!!
[11:13] <bigcalm[xoom]|> Correct
[11:13] <czajkowski> davmor2: good morning
[11:14] <MooDoo> morning davmor2
[11:14] <davmor2> MooDoo: how's life up north
[11:14] <davmor2> bigcalm[xoom]|: :(
[11:14] <MooDoo> davmor2: not bad lad :) at work slaving away at the moment lol
[11:14] <daubers> uhh... popey, you might have a bigger problem :) ubuntu-uk.org isn't responding either :)
[11:14] <davmor2> bigcalm[xoom]|: if you lived closer I'd say come and borrow some of mine, but if you lived closer I'd of been hit by it too me thinks
[11:15] <bigcalm[xoom]|> Heh
[11:15] <popey> better now
[11:15] <richardperkins> Morning all, hope you are well, its my first time here
[11:15] <czajkowski> richardperkins: welcome ;)
[11:16] <czajkowski> lot more people in here who can help you
[11:16] <zleap> hello richardperkins welcome
[11:16] <richardperkins> Cheers czajkowski
[11:16] <daubers> popey: \o/
[11:16] <MooDoo> richardperkins: welcome, ready for the initiation?
[11:16] <MooDoo> ;)
[11:17] <richardperkins> finally got rid of the windows safety net
[11:17] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Alan Pope] Unity is the best choice for the future of Ubuntu - http://popey.com/blog/2012/02/29/unity-is-the-best-choice-for-the-future-of-ubuntu/
[11:17] <MooDoo> richardperkins: fab :) how you finding it?
[11:17] <zleap> richardperkins, yay
[11:17] <richardperkins> its really good
[11:17] <zleap> ;)
[11:18] <yossarianuk> good on you - You can stop funding a patent troll that uses your money to lobby governments in support of PIPA/ACTA.
[11:18] <richardperkins>  i had a play with a few distros and environments and found ubuntu 11.10 and gnome 3 suits me
[11:18] <yossarianuk> (they get you tax money anyway...........)
[11:18] <yossarianuk> cool - I prefer gnome3 to unity
[11:18] <richardperkins> also new to irc
[11:19] <yossarianuk> I think KDE4 is the best personally (but not on any debian based system)
[11:19] <richardperkins> i tried unity and liked it but gnome 3 just struck a not
[11:19] <richardperkins> what disto is KDE4 on?
[11:20] <MooDoo> richardperkins: irc is fun, we're a friendly bunch, if you have any questions just ask....watch out for davmor2 he'll give you grief ;)
[11:20] <yossarianuk> it is in ubuntu (kubuntu at least) - however if you want a 'good' version of KDE4 I would choose opensuse/mandriva or fedora
[11:20] <richardperkins> OK thanks for the heads up
[11:20] <yossarianuk> just my 2 cents...
[11:20] <richardperkins> cool
[11:20] <daubers> !best
[11:20] <daubers> :)
[11:21] <MooDoo> daubers: smart ass ;)
[11:21] <richardperkins> Work recently sent me on a red hat admin course so i looked at fedora
[11:21] <richardperkins> but i had problems configuring citrix and vpnc using pcf files
[11:22] <yossarianuk> Fedora is nice however not freindly for newbies ...
[11:22] <yossarianuk> I have always thought suse + mandriva were the most friendly as they have a central control panel to managed to whole OS
[11:23] <richardperkins> mandrake was a distro i tried many years ago and liked but ubuntu seems to be a well supported distro and easier for newer users to get around
[11:25] <richardperkins> anyone use wireless broadcom devices in a laptop?
[11:25] <yossarianuk> ubunutu is designed to be easy - I have always thought they should have build a central control panel though...
[11:25] <yossarianuk> what model?
[11:25] <richardperkins> thats the only issue i have
[11:25] <richardperkins> bcm 4300
[11:25] <yossarianuk> (have you looked under 'hardware drivers'?
[11:26] <richardperkins> its an older laptop that works a treat with ubuntu
[11:26] <yossarianuk> richardperkins - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx
[11:26] <yossarianuk> +
[11:26] <yossarianuk> http://www.computerandyou.net/2011/05/how-to-solve-no-wireless-networks-in-ubuntu-11-04/
[11:26] <richardperkins> it was found under additional drivers and works but occasionally crashes any wireless router im connected to
[11:27] <yossarianuk> ah
[11:27] <yossarianuk> The best suggestion may be to try wireless backports or try a newer version of ubuntu
[11:28] <yossarianuk> 12.04 is out in about 7 weeks.
[11:28] <richardperkins> sorry for my ignorance but whats a backport?
[11:29] <richardperkins> wired is fine even when connected to the same router
[11:29] <yossarianuk> sorry - they backport newer drivers to older version of ubuntu
[11:29] <richardperkins> cool understood
[11:29] <zleap> anyone tried getting a raspberry PI yet
[11:29] <yossarianuk> Perhaps read - http://www.computerandyou.net/2011/05/how-to-solve-no-wireless-networks-in-ubuntu-11-04/
[11:29] <richardperkins> actually it only crashes when using vpnc over wireless
[11:29] <s-fox> TheOpenSourcerer,  I managed to place an order on farnell :D
[11:30] <yossarianuk> cool - the first British made computer for a while....
[11:30] <diplo> s-fox, I gave up.. been trying since 6am
[11:30] <diplo> zleap, yep ^^
[11:30] <yossarianuk> I used to own a dragon32 in the 80's.
[11:33] <s-fox> diplo, I have been trying since 9am(ish) uk time
[11:34]  * diplo just wants to go home to bed
[11:34] <diplo> I still can't get on there website, let a lone order one! :(
[11:34] <s-fox> diplo,  :(
[11:34] <MooDoo> diplo: just got on their site, pre-orders stock available in 30 days
[11:35] <MooDoo> pah now it's down again
[11:35] <popey> zleap: yes, ordered two, should arrive mid-april ☺
[11:35] <zleap> cool
[11:35] <daubers> popey: Did you get yours from rs or cpc?
[11:35] <popey> farnell
[11:36] <zleap> ah
[11:36] <zleap> the rs site is still giving a register interest page
[11:36] <popey> yeah, they're selling theirs on friday apparently
[11:36] <zleap> ok
[11:37] <KrisDouglas> Farnell's website seems to be diing
[11:37] <zleap> so if I order one, and its out of stock what happesn my order stays active till they can process the order
[11:38] <popey> yes
[11:38] <popey> i just got a note to say mine will be here 16/04]
[11:38] <zleap> ok
[11:39] <TheOpenSourcerer> popey: "RASPBERRY PI, MODEL Qty Ordered 1 Qty to Follow 1 Estimated Delivery W/C 26/03/2012"
[11:39] <popey> heh
[11:39] <zleap> sounds like they are going to really ramp up orders
[11:39] <popey> thats what mine side
[11:39] <popey> *said
[11:39] <zleap> and production
[11:39] <popey> then I got a PDF a few mins later
[11:40] <zleap> i may wait a few days till the initial rush dies down tben order one
[11:40] <zleap> well wait till tomorrow at least
[11:41] <s-fox> My order status is "processing"
[11:41] <s-fox> I guess it arrives when it arrives
[11:42] <zleap> what sort of PSU  thing is needed,   could do with a model number etc so I can get one now  ready for when i get a rasp PI
[11:42] <diplo> zleap, USB Phone charger
[11:43] <diplo> 5v and at least 700ma
[11:43] <zleap> ok
[11:43] <diplo> Microusb
[11:44] <zleap> hmm camera charget is 4,4 v @ 400ma
[11:44] <zleap> so a similar device at the right voltage / current
[11:45] <diplo> Smart phone chargers are mostly 5v/1a that we have in this office, so that sort of thing yeah
[11:48] <oimon> guys, does visual bell on unity show a white screen for long time? mine does
[11:48] <oimon> (in a terminal)
[11:49] <zleap> ok will try and find something
[11:50] <zleap> if anyone has suggestions can they perhaps post a message to the list, it may benefit others
[11:50] <zleap> please
[11:54] <diplo> zleap, Something like these http://www.amazon.co.uk/tag/usb%20charger/products
[11:57] <zleap> diplo, thanks i just need to find the one with the right spec
[11:59] <diplo> First one would do it, just need a cable after that
[11:59] <diplo> Can get all in one units as well
[12:03] <aquarius> popey, ping: the play in ogg popup link on the latest uupc doesn't work, for me. play in mp3 popup link works fine
[12:03] <popey> bah
[12:08] <gord> did you guys setup an u1 uupc share yet so all the latest episodes can just be synced into my computer yet? because you totally should ;)
[12:08]  * popey looks at aquarius 
[12:08] <popey> no, but I should, yes
[12:08] <aquarius> you should indeed.
[12:09] <popey> 9.6G    uupc/
[12:09] <popey> so have one share which has all, and one which has only the latest?
[12:09] <popey> one for ogg, one for mp3?
[12:09] <aquarius> not only can you do that, but I know how to have your site allow people to subscribe to it without your intervention, if you'd like me to talk to whoever actually builds the site
[12:10] <czajkowski> oh that is nifty
[12:10] <aquarius> {last 5, all}-{ogg, mp3}, so four shares
[12:10] <aquarius> I'd suggest :)
[12:10] <popey> that'd be neat
[12:10] <popey> email the show ☺
[12:10]  * aquarius listens to the dulcet tones of popey reading a prepared statement about unity being great, which it is ;)
[12:11] <popey> )
[12:11] <ali1234> what's wrong with having an rss feed?
[12:11] <popey> er ☺
[12:11] <gord> this is cooler
[12:11] <popey> ali1234: offloading to a content provider
[12:11] <popey> er, content distribution network
[12:11] <ali1234> why doesn't U1 music store have podcasts like itunes?
[12:11] <ali1234> (two points are unrelated)
[12:11] <aquarius> ali1234, other than out-and-out coolness, the listeners don't have to poll the rss feed every hour for changes, for one thing
[12:12] <ali1234> they just have to sign up for a U1 account
[12:12] <aquarius> no podcasts because we just haven't got to that yet.
[12:13] <aquarius> I dispute *have* to. They have to if they want to have UUPC delivered to them with no effort, certainly. Don't have to, though; you can do it manually or have your machine hammer the uupc website every hour until the end of time to get new episodes if you prefer. :)
[12:14] <ali1234> i wouldn't really call U1 "no effort"
[12:14] <gord> sour mango is easily the best thing graze.com sends me
[12:14] <gord> every time i think about cancelling, they send me that and i just can't bring myself to do it
[12:14] <popey> i cancelled my graze last week
[12:15] <mattt> seems over priced to me :-/
[12:15] <aquarius> ali1234, then don't use it and keep running an RSS reader. Seems fine to me. :)
[12:15] <gord> its completely overpriced, but thats not really the point
[12:15] <mattt> what's the point then?  :)
[12:16] <aquarius> the satisfaction of having paid 45p for one pistachio nut, i think ;)
[12:16] <gord> tasty treats, if they just give you stuff you can get at your local shop, there isn't much point. but i tend to get stuff you can't get here
[12:16] <mattt> we have some thing called 'the book people' that come around the office
[12:16] <aquarius> I went to the local health food place and bought bags of dried stuff, which was cool; fresh stuff in graze boxes is pretty cool though.
[12:16] <mattt> and since there is amazon and all, i don't really get the point
[12:17] <mattt> i kind of think of graze in a similar fashion
[12:17] <gord> same reason i pay €15 a month for japanese candy ;)
[12:17] <mattt> yeah, heck, if people enjoy it and graze are offering a good service, then great
[12:17] <mattt> gord: straight from japan?  :)
[12:17] <AlanBell> mattt: it is manageable portions, and it just turns up, so you don't have to buy a sack of squirrel food to have some stuff to nibble on
[12:18] <AlanBell> I forgot to have breakfast
[12:18] <gord> mattt, yup, comes in traditional japanese envelopes and all that
[12:19] <gord> http://www.candyjapan.com/
[12:19] <mattt> ew, underpants
[12:19] <mrevell> davmor2, Apparently Carvers is up in flames
[12:19] <mattt> gord: heh, that's pretty funny
[12:20] <ali1234> if i install the U1 client for android, will it sync photos taken on the phone?
[12:20] <davmor2> mrevell: indeed
[12:20] <ali1234> "automatically"
[12:20] <gord> ali1234, it will
[12:20] <davmor2> he says looking out of his window
[12:20] <mrevell> davmor2, Aha :) Good job they moved those gas bottles
[12:20] <ali1234> ie i take a picture and it syncs without asking, like G+ app does
[12:20] <gord> yes
[12:21] <ali1234> ok i'm sold. getting it
[12:21] <ali1234> is there a symbian client?
[12:22] <aquarius> there isn't, but the website should work fine on Symbian
[12:22] <ali1234> meh
[12:22] <davmor2> mrevell: they didn't the gas tanks are still there, it'll probably be the timber that's on fire
[12:22] <ali1234> i'm only interested in getting photos from my phone to the computer
[12:23] <ali1234> without having to plug it in, or dig around in the phone menus to upload them to a website
[12:23] <ali1234> having an android client is all very well, but i never take that phone outside because it is so unreliable
[12:23] <ali1234> if i htink i might actually need to make a phone call i take the nokia
[12:24] <davmor2> mrevell: Huge pillar of BLACK that is covering about a mile of sky right now
[12:24] <mrevell> davmor2, oof.
[12:26] <davmor2> mrevell: more worryingly is the fact that if the timber processing plant is still up there that contains highly flammable Toxic materials :(
[12:26] <mrevell> davmor2, Time to evacuate Morley Towers.
[12:27] <ali1234> "uploading all photos" nice
[12:28] <aquarius> ali1234, if you're a Symbian hacker I'd be more than happy to give you some pointers or suggestions about how to build a U1 files app on Symbian
[12:28] <ali1234> i'm not
[12:29] <aquarius> ah, OK
[12:30] <ali1234> er... how do i access it on ubuntu then?
[12:31] <ali1234> oh it's not installed
[12:35] <ali1234> hmm this kind of sucks
[12:35] <ali1234> can't i control where the files are synced?
[12:35] <gord> you can
[12:35] <gord> in the options somewhere
[12:36] <ali1234> the only option i can see is "sync locally?"
[12:37] <ali1234> also what's with this permanent "Ubuntu One" folder?
[12:37] <gord> hum, i'm not sure where now... i know i changed the folder once
[12:37] <gord> oh its in configure auto-upload
[12:37] <gord> upload directory option
[12:38] <ali1234> but U1 in general is locked to ~
[12:38] <mrevell> davmor2, Blimey. Keep me posted; interested to know what happens.
[12:39] <ali1234> or rather, it's always a full path
[12:40] <davmor2> mrevell: http://ubuntuone.com/4ruO4EWu0YGR0BRJUfWnu8 and http://ubuntuone.com/40O4GNJL91Z6qYVZk4wLvo  and you can hear pops and bangs
[12:41] <mrevell> davmor2, Crumbs, it's so bad the whole world has turn on its side! Seriously, though, thanks for that. Looks pretty serious.
[12:42] <davmor2> mrevell: it looks like it might be the main building too which would really serious
[12:43] <mrevell> davmor2, For some reason, Chrome showed that on its side. Scary stuff. I'll avoid Wolvo today.
[12:43] <davmor2> mrevell: I hadn't edited it
[12:44] <mrevell> davmor2, The E&S has a video fo it.
[12:44] <davmor2> mrevell: that was the angle so I could get a the pillar in on shot ish
[12:44] <davmor2> smoke is hitting wednesfield by the look of it
[12:47] <ali1234> this carvers? http://www.carvers.co.uk/unavailable.aspx
[12:48] <mrevell> Server fire?
[12:49] <AlanBell> http://twitpic.com/8q5vuq
[12:49] <davmor2> ali1234: expressandstar.com that carvers
[12:49] <davmor2> and my ex employer
[12:50] <davmor2> me expects a hug insurance spike in wolverhampton now :(
[12:51]  * bigcalm[xoom]| wants a hug
[12:51]  * popey tickles bigcalm[xoom]| 
[12:52] <mrevell> bigcalm[xoom]|, http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-CgHgYIreEXU/Tplz8DS3GII/AAAAAAAAAKU/_Eq7OjVckSU/s1600/hug+one+sided.jpg
[12:52] <bigcalm[xoom]|> \o/
[12:53] <bigcalm[xoom]|> Oooo, going to send that to Hayley now!
[13:43] <Laney> mmm podcast
[13:53] <ali1234> hmm i need to namespace my code properly
[14:03]  * AlanBell has order confirmation for raspberry pi \o/
[14:05]  * czajkowski does the new phone dance 
[14:05] <czajkowski> whooooo
[14:05]  * czajkowski now owns a Galaxy Nexus 
[14:05] <AlanBell> new number?
[14:06] <directhex> new phones are neato
[14:06] <czajkowski> AlanBell: nope not yet but it just arrived
[14:06] <czajkowski> it was a surprise gift
[14:08] <MooDoo> czajkowski: awesome :D
[14:09] <gord> if anyone wants to surprise me with a gift, i like cake more than phones
[14:10] <bigcalm[xoom]> Mmmm, cake
[14:10] <bigcalm[xoom]> They have nice chocolate cake at the light house
[14:11]  * AlanBell spots popey using old branding
[14:11] <gord> alas i can not allow myself to buy cake, for that is a slippery road, only gifted cake can be eaten
[14:12] <AlanBell> http://popey.com/favicon.ico
[14:16] <bigcalm[xoom]> gord: fix czajkowski's problems and maybe when will gift you cake
[14:16] <bigcalm[xoom]> When = she
[14:16] <gord> already did!
[14:16] <gord> well, i watched the review land in trunk, i didn't do the work
[14:17]  * gord ponders a "gord wants cake" kickstarter. "will fix bugs for cake"
[14:25] <popey> oh noes
[14:25] <bigcalm[xoom]> Heh, could work
[14:31] <TheOpenSourcerer> Ooops. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/02/29/windows_azure_outage/
[14:35] <mattt> someone mention cake?
[14:36] <popey> www.windowsazure.com/en-us/support/service-dashboard/ doesn't look well
[14:36] <diplo> :D
[14:36] <TheOpenSourcerer> Oh dear, shame.
[14:36] <diplo> I like the cloud for somethings, but  I rather keep stuff in my control
[14:41] <directhex> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/04/21/amazon_cloud_probs/ ?
[14:42] <directhex> cloud services explode.
[14:42] <ali1234> the more i think about it, the more it occurs to me that "the cloud" is actually a clown car
[14:42] <directhex> it's what they do.
[14:42] <directhex> ali1234, cloud computing in the modern sense is useful for two related use cases
[14:43] <directhex> cloud data storage is a distinct product with its own plusses/minuses
[14:43] <ali1234> i'm thinking more about the virtual machine type
[14:43] <directhex> e.g. when the raspberry pi went on sale today, RS and Farnell's web servers both melted
[14:44] <ali1234> where you can just keep pulling more and more servers out of it
[14:44] <directhex> if they were hosted on an elastic compute platform like EC2, they could have spun up a couple of dozen more servers at the problem within minutes, rather than running around their mainframes screaming
[14:45] <ali1234> only if they had specifically written their platform to actually scale like that, but yeah
[14:45] <directhex> well, yes. cloud compute is crap for non-cloud-compute software
[14:45] <directhex> but the ability to scale up in an instant is useful for lumpy workloads
[14:45] <popey> they should use mongo-db, it's web-scale
[14:45] <ali1234> but every time you click the "add node" button or whatever, it's like another clown climbing out of the clown car
[14:46] <directhex> popey, and node.js!
[14:46] <popey> indeed
[14:46] <directhex> there are node.js clutter bindings now
[14:46] <directhex> handmade, not generated or introspected
[14:47] <diplo> Still not played with node.js
[14:47] <diplo> Not sure I'm going to bother
[14:47] <ali1234> it wouldn't make sense for farnell and rs to rewrite their entire website for an event that will probably never happen again
[14:48] <ali1234> what they should have done is make a website just for selling this one thing, and then just forward the orders
[14:48] <AlanBell> diplo: node.js is very good for one or two specific use-cases
[14:48] <directhex> ali1234, probably not, but for new projects, any scalability design which doesn't account for cloud platforms is unfit for purpose
[14:48] <directhex> TheOpenSourcerer, now windowsazure.com seems down :p
[14:48] <AlanBell> diplo: etherpad-lite uses node.js to good effect
[14:49] <ali1234> sure. but farnell has had the same website for like 8 years
[14:49] <popey> i suspect farnell and rs didnt comprehend the number of potential buyers
[14:49] <popey> so figured their sites could cope
[14:49] <directhex> ali1234, that's not a good thing, y'know
[14:49] <diplo> yeah not that AlanBell is something I keep meaning to try!
[14:49] <diplo> Thanks for the reminder!
[14:49]  * diplo grabs now
[14:49] <TheOpenSourcerer> Maybe Farnell & RS use the Azure cloud and in effect Raspberry Pi killed Windows ;-)
[14:49] <popey> http://coderace.me/
[14:50] <directhex> TheOpenSourcerer, mainframe backend , three web servers w/ proprietary load balancer
[14:50] <ali1234> i'm guessing azure was killed by a bug with leap years
[14:50] <directhex> TheOpenSourcerer, the mainframe died, not just the web servers & balancer
[14:50] <TheOpenSourcerer> directhex: Thanks but that is just too boring.
[14:50] <directhex> ali1234, that killed zune for a day :)
[14:50] <ali1234> yeah, you'd think they would learn
[14:51] <directhex> "mp3 player is a brick on new year's eve on leap years" is a funny bug
[14:51] <ali1234> yeah especially if you were going to use it for music at your party
[14:51] <TheOpenSourcerer> popey: AlanBell check out the use of the stylus on the Asus Padfone http://www.expertreviews.co.uk/tablet-pcs/1290634/updated-asus-padfone-specs-stylus-keyboard-dock-hands-on
[14:52] <popey> lolwut
[14:53] <AlanBell> gosh, because that won't make you look silly or anything
[14:53] <popey> reminds me of terry wogan and blankety blank
[14:54] <TheOpenSourcerer> Indeed. Talkingintoapen
[14:54] <ali1234> yeah because walking around with a tablet and a smartphone glued to your hand doesn't already make you look incredibly silly
[14:57]  * popey tickles Myrtti 
[14:57] <Myrtti> *giggle*
[14:58]  * popey downloads windows 8 preview thing for a look
[14:59] <Myrtti> popey: why the tickle?
[14:59] <Myrtti> :-P
[14:59] <popey> no reason
[14:59] <Myrtti> kjähkjäh
[15:00] <czajkowski> gord: when can i expect your magic to land ?
[15:01] <gord> czajkowski, thurs
[15:01] <popey> which magic is this?
[15:01] <popey> 5.4?
[15:02] <czajkowski> the alt taking over my screen
[15:02] <czajkowski> :)
[15:02]  * popey has that magic
[15:19]  * czajkowski hugs Myrtti :D
[15:24] <Pendulum> Myrtti: congrats!
[15:36]  * AlanBell is missing something
[15:38] <popey> beans?
[15:38] <diplo> Anyone know of any recent issues with xorg/compiz
[15:39] <diplo> had 3 crashes today.. thought they were my fault at first
[15:39] <diplo> But this one happened out of the blue with a terminal and xchat open
[15:39] <ali1234> i've been getting compiz crashes a lot lately
[15:39] <diplo> Xorg just hit 100% and stayed there
[15:39] <ali1234> one 12.04 though
[15:39] <diplo> 11.10
 Farnell just emailed me to say that they've cancelled my order because they don't have the item in stock...
[15:42] <diplo> pi channel :/
[15:42] <diplo> ah but he was in france ( not that it should make a difference
[15:42] <diplo> )
[15:55] <andylockran> aww
[16:16] <ali1234> AlanBell: you know that new thing with the overlay scroll bars and resizing? it only works on window's outer borders, and not internal panels :(
[16:30] <ali1234> what's the purpose of ctrl-t in a terminal?
[16:30] <ali1234> it appears to swap the last two characters?
[16:32] <davmor2> Myrtti: Woohoo!
[16:54] <AlanBell> ali1234: ti tranpsoses letetrs fro poeple woh tpye badyl
[17:02] <tugrik> i presume that's just a bash thing ali1234 ?
[17:02] <ali1234> probably yeah
[17:06] <shauno> interesting.  meta-t does it with words too.  never noticed that before
[17:19] <AlanBell> ali1234: \o/ to partially implemented reasonable ideas
[17:29] <ali1234> AlanBell: scroll bars? implementing it fully in the way it's been done so far will be tough. I would guess it is working by detecting that the mouse left the right edge of the window rather than the right edge of the scroll handle... which may be a lot harder to detect
[17:31] <ali1234> also, even if you can detect it, figuring out which window element to resize may be hard too
[17:31] <ali1234> so yeah... it's not that reasonable
[17:31] <ali1234> the reasonable thing to do would be to anchor the handle on the right instead of the left
[17:33] <ali1234> then it would only get in the way if you were trying to scroll something that was the same width as the handle
[20:44] <AlanBell> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=xeQr_ezIGyw#t=66s I spot Ubunt
[20:44] <AlanBell> u
[21:07] <paulBunker> #django
[21:11]  * MartijnVdS likes OpenWRT
[21:11] <MartijnVdS> even on old routers it works greast
[21:11] <MartijnVdS> -s
[21:17]  * MartijnVdS has a few 8-year old WRT54GL's
[21:17] <MartijnVdS> or 7
[21:17] <mgdm> I bought one last year, actually
[21:17] <mgdm> it was cheap :-)
[21:18] <MartijnVdS> mgdm: The ones I have are owned by a camping (who have replaced them with newer, "outdoor-ready" APs)
[21:19] <MartijnVdS> mgdm: but I'm repurposing them to be repeaters for areas with bad coverage
[21:19] <MartijnVdS> (it's in a forest)
[21:20] <jacobw> interesting
[21:20] <jacobw> wireless, i presume?
[21:20] <MartijnVdS> Yes, 5GHz point to point connection back to "base"
[21:21] <jacobw> ok
[21:21] <MartijnVdS> I've managed to get a management vlan working (and separated from the wifi vlan)
[21:21] <MartijnVdS> so I can snmp-poll them all day long ;)
[21:23] <MartijnVdS> I also have an older WRT54GS (the first one they bought), which I'm modding a bit
[21:23] <MartijnVdS> (serial console, serial port, arduino attached to serial port, some "weather" sensors attached to arduino)
[21:24] <jacobw> how is the data flow working from arduino to network?
[21:24] <MartijnVdS> Small program on the WRT, reading serial and telling collectd about it
[21:25] <jacobw> collectd?
[21:25] <MartijnVdS> statistics/graphing engine/tool thing
[21:25] <MartijnVdS> http://collectd.org/
[21:27] <jacobw> that looks interesting
[21:27]  * jacobw will test collectd soon
[21:27] <MartijnVdS> getting a web interface for it is a bit tricky
[21:28] <MartijnVdS> but it's all packaged and very modular
[21:30] <jacobw> apc ups plugin is nice
[21:30] <MartijnVdS> they have lots of plugins for everything you could ever want
[21:33] <jacobw> they have a lot of plugins :)
[21:34] <MartijnVdS> and you can even write your own if you know how to write to a unix socket
[21:36] <jacobw> i don't much unix c
[21:36] <jacobw> +know
[21:36] <MartijnVdS> they have an example Perl script in /usr/share/doc/collectd/examples
[21:39]  * jacobw will look
[21:39] <jacobw> i don't feel like installing anything over my current ~50kB/s connection
[21:40] <jacobw> ssh to vps for irc is slow enough :|
[21:59] <AlanBell> is there a thing to install to get overlay scrollbars in firefox and thunderbird or is it not going to happen in those applications?
[22:20] <dogmatic69> I have a US keyboard, is there some way I can make the $ a £ so I dont have to search google every time I want to type £
[22:27] <mattt> why's everyone getting so worked up about these work experience schemes?  :)
[22:29] <mgdm> because it seemed that they were forcing unemployed people to work for Tesco for a month without pay, or lose their jobseeker's allowance
[22:29] <mgdm> (not just Tesco of course, but a few other companies who would be very well able to pay their staff)
[22:31] <popey> anyone on precise fancy confirming bug 943637
[22:31] <popey> its an easy one
[22:31] <mattt> mgdm: yeah, i guess i see that being a bit cheeky, but still torn
[22:32] <brobostigon> but, the point being, if you work, equally, to someone else, you should be treated equally.
[22:33] <brobostigon> ie, if i do the work officially, that requires minimum wage, why should i not be payed that.
[22:33] <mattt> well
[22:34] <mattt> why don't they try to arrange some sort of work schemes through the council?  that'd make the most sense
[22:34] <brobostigon> no idea.
[22:36] <brobostigon> to a point, this is why when i learnt of the drums, my focus changed,
[22:37] <mattt> say what?
[22:38] <brobostigon> mattt: It become pointless, other than somrthing as a hobby.
[22:40] <brobostigon> mattt: as an aspie, no one seems to want me, therefore, endof, i can only work to other means.
[22:43] <popey> .35
[22:43] <popey> ba
[22:43] <dogmatic69> nobody know about my question :(
[22:47] <brobostigon> or, i mean, focus to other things.
[22:58] <ali1234> actually it's 8 weeks
[22:58] <ali1234> and they are claiming "340000" did the scheme "without problems"
[22:59] <ali1234> which as far as i am concerned means the scheme destroyed 1500 real jobs
[22:59] <ali1234> and gave those jobs instead to people who had to work for nothing (and yes, jobseeker's is nothing)
[23:02] <mattt> brobostigon: pretty sure i work w/ a guy who's got aspergers
[23:02] <mattt> anyway, afk
[23:03] <brobostigon> mattt: the figures being, 85% of those who have autism, have no work, econimocically, of any kind, why?
[23:06] <Blacki> Good evening.
[23:06] <popey> hello
[23:06] <Blacki> am I right here for some ubuntu support ?
[23:07] <ali1234> i checked my figures, it's 34000 * 8 weeks = 5000 years = 5000 real jobs for the 1 year the scheme has been running
[23:07] <AlanBell> hi Blacki
[23:07] <brobostigon> good evening Blacki
[23:07] <AlanBell> Blacki: what is the question?
[23:07] <AlanBell> ali1234: that is presuming the work needed doing
[23:07] <Blacki> I ve installed the newest version of Ubuntu and now I cant boot. Grub said no such device and a code
[23:08] <AlanBell> ooh, that happened to me
[23:08] <ali1234> if someone did it, it needed doing
[23:08] <AlanBell> is it 12.04 Blacki?
[23:08] <ali1234> either that or the whole thing is an utter waste of time anyway
[23:08] <AlanBell> and is the error about a magic elf?
[23:08] <Blacki> 10.04.1 I guess
[23:09] <AlanBell> ali1234: I suspect it is makework and an utter waste of time
[23:09] <Blacki> 11.10 is the right version.
[23:09] <brobostigon> ali1234: i am generally a waste of space, i do come in useull, but am generally pointless for most things.
[23:09] <AlanBell> Blacki: do you have the exact error text?
[23:09] <Blacki> sure one sec
[23:10] <Blacki> bff339c-73cd-49fe-96b7-2b0b892ac48c
[23:10] <AlanBell> ah, right that is a device UUID
[23:10] <brobostigon> anything more?
[23:10] <ali1234> sounds like partition UUID changed
[23:11] <brobostigon> agreed.
[23:11] <Blacki> and that means ?
[23:11] <AlanBell> Blacki: just looking for a good fixing it guide for you
[23:11] <Blacki> Thanks ;)
[23:12] <brobostigon> it is a way of identifyingthe disks and partions without refferring to to /dev*
[23:12] <brobostigon> ie, independent from.
[23:12] <AlanBell> Blacki: http://www.tavisonline.com/2011/10/fix-broken-grub/
[23:13] <AlanBell> there is some explanation there and the quick fix section should probably quickly fix it, you will need to boot from a live CD to do it
[23:14] <Blacki> hehe Im using the live cd at the moment ^^
[23:14] <Blacki> Thanks for the fast help I'll try it.
[23:20] <Blacki> I guess this is not my best day ... error: cannot find a device for / (is /dev mounted?).
[23:25] <AlanBell> Blacki: can you do sudo blkid
[23:25] <AlanBell> that should print out the UUIDs that the live CD can see
[23:25] <AlanBell> want to know if it can see one that matches the one grub says is missing, or if it is different
[23:27] <Blacki> hm?
[23:28] <Blacki> It wont write the code here
[23:28] <Blacki> # /dev/loop0: TYPE="squashfs
[23:28] <Blacki> # /dev/mapper/isw_bgeicabafa_Volume0p6: UUID="3bcf8905-81fa-491e-83ea-3cd4e4d8b947" TYPE="ext4"
[23:28] <Blacki> # /dev/mapper/isw_bgeicabafa_Volume0p7: UUID="b156d6de-2c45-4a63-8ebb-2b836d4a5fc9" TYPE="ext4"
[23:28] <Blacki> # /dev/sdc1: SEC_TYPE="msdos" LABEL="USB 2GB" UUID="62AE-D90A" TYPE="vfat"
[23:29] <Blacki> sdc1 = my live "cd"
[23:29] <AlanBell> ok
[23:29] <AlanBell> so grub is looking for  bff339c-73cd-49fe-96b7-2b0b892ac48c and it isn't there
[23:30] <Blacki> and grub is doing this because .. ?
[23:33] <AlanBell> that is a good question
[23:33] <AlanBell> um, I am running out of answers and falling asleep, if someone else wants to help that would be great, otherwise maybe tomorrow
[23:34] <AlanBell> or ask in #ubuntu or on askubuntu.com
[23:34] <AlanBell> but I am going to have to leave this now
[23:34] <Blacki> kay good night and thans.
[23:34] <popey> awww... mate of mine found a pic of me and sophie at the LUG
[23:34] <popey> http://www.matthewgrove.co.uk/moblog/view/2005-08-06/resized_06082005(001).jpg
[23:34] <popey> nearly 6 years ago!
[23:35] <popey> over 6 years!
[23:35] <AlanBell> you are the one in jeans right?
[23:35] <popey> ☺
[23:36] <brobostigon> isnt popey distinctive?
[23:36] <brobostigon> does the pope wear a dress?
[23:37] <popey> Also. I'm not 8.
[23:38] <brobostigon> that is as good a joke as i can do.
[23:40] <brobostigon> well, it is said, as some men become older, we do become alittle on the childish side.
[23:43]  * brobostigon tried to think of more jokes.
[23:44] <brobostigon> :(