[01:12] good lord i hate adding javascript to web pages [01:17] [Jono Bacon] Improving Accomplishments Documentation - http://www.jonobacon.org/2012/02/29/improving-accomplishments-documentation/ [04:41] ali1234: you awake? :P [04:48] I am and not hapy about it [04:49] Azelphur, any other day I'd laugh at you, but the 'pi' is coming on sale in an hour, so .. [04:49] haha [04:49] (at least, I hope that's why I'm awake, they didn't exactly spell it out, but they came real close) === xubis is now known as Guest84472 [05:01] so I'm guessing it'll be like going on ticketek before the sale of a big concert [05:52] the website is already down lol [05:54] haha [05:54] ali1234: is it easy to talk to a PCI device? [05:54] sure [05:54] could I do it in snakes? [05:54] i would a use computer [05:54] snakes are too bitey [05:55] haha [05:55] Python :P [05:55] Aaand raspberrypi.org is down :) [05:55] of course it is. their website can't even handle normal load [05:56] ali1234: they said they'd switch to a static page instead of the blog [05:56] ali1234: static pages have a lot less overhead [05:56] ali1234: but yea, my friend is interested in making a miner that sits on PCIE and I want to talk to it in a nutshell, suggestions? :P [05:57] use USB instead [05:59] main reasons why? :) [06:01] * Azelphur is attempting to learn things \o/ [06:01] cheaper development costs, easier to make drivers, less likely to catch fire [06:02] fair enough :D [06:02] all good things for me haha [06:02] it looks like they managed to take our farnell's site in the process :/ [06:03] nah farnell goes down all the time outside working hours [06:03] oh, fair enough [06:05] I got through they switched to a static html site [06:07] "go and search rs or farnell" [06:07] which are both down now :) [06:07] rs isn't down, but they won't actually sell you one [06:07] http://uk.rs-online.com/web/generalDisplay.html?id=raspberrypi [06:07] no farnell is down [06:08] yeah, farnell's website is almost as bad as raspberrypi.org [06:08] .. at the best of times [06:12] Argl this is like pulling teeth. [06:16] Anyone found the right RS page yet? [06:21] Nope [06:22] Twitter just mentioned a redirect [06:22] Isn't thissad [06:22] :/ [06:22] I'd ordered one on farnell, and then the page went [06:23] * diplo debates going back to sleep [06:25] RS are a huge bunch of jerks anyway [06:26] afaik they won't even talk to you unless you have a VAT number [06:26] and don't farnell have a £30 minimum order? [06:27] Not used either in a few years [06:28] Just got order page [06:28] and then connection reset :( [06:28] I really cba with this [06:29] you got an order page? I got a "you want one? give us your email address" [06:30] that's because you went to RS and RS suck [06:31] Oh well, I'll wait for the second batch then [06:31] when the sites aren't down [06:34] morning [06:34] * AlanBell looks at lots of down websites and goes back to bed [06:35] :D [06:35] Farnell have sold out according to twitter [06:35] #rasberrypi is going a bit fast, it is like #ubuntu inthere [06:35] that was the one i sorta got working [06:36] Wonder if this is why they did 6am, so the takedown was before work hours :) [06:37] Our websites are currently unavailable whilst we perform a scheduled system upgrade. [06:37] Every effort has been made to minimise the impact of this event and we apologise for any inconvenience this has caused. [06:37] @Farnell :D [06:37] Yeah, "oops" [06:38] It's like the RPi people said "Hey, Farnell, you need to be able to handle a LOT of requests." [06:38] and Farnell "Sure, whatever." [06:39] hey, on the bright side, farnell might fix their website [06:40] That's a big ask ali1234 :) [06:40] https://twitter.com/#!/FarnellNews [06:42] * MartijnVdS really needs to go to work [06:44] :D [06:49] Well they were idiots not to expect this. They've known that they've had millions of visitors on their website over the past few months - they should have set up some sort of lottery pre-order system to handle this. I just feel sorry for people who rely on RS and Farnell to get work done. [06:49] yep [06:52] I used them most days in my last job [06:52] Well battery is about to give up, so guess that means me giving up as well [06:56] "Initially the £22 model of the Pi, which includes wifi, will be offered for sale. " [06:56] bbc doesn't know the difference between wifi and ethernet [06:56] :_ [06:56] :) [06:56] I find it a bit worrying about some news stories [06:57] lol farnell loaded again [06:57] and then promptly died [06:57] :D [06:58] also "teaching people to programme." [06:58] as in, like, scheduling tv shows? [06:58] :P [06:58] Right, well more warnings for battery, so 2 mins and i think i'll be dead.. [06:59] wait for work then [07:01] has anyone managed to get anything but failure from RS or Farnell's websites? [07:01] no [07:14] Damnit. RS loaded again but they're *still* only showing the register interest page >_< [07:15] Y YOO NO LERN?! [07:15] I feel like today is going to be a grumpy day. [07:31] haha, trending on twitter... raspberry pi, rs and farnell ☺ [07:31] :P [07:36] bzoltan: /join #ubuntu [07:36] bah! [07:48] Pi just discussed on R4 Today. [07:57] morning all [07:57] TheOpenSourcerer: sites now a static page due to high traffic so i can't get one :( [07:57] yeah - lol [07:57] rs aren't available and farnell site is down [07:58] farnll sold out an hour ago [07:58] Reminds me of the HP Touchpad firesale but for much better reasons. [07:58] told my daughter to go to school and ask the ICT teacher about them ☺ [07:58] popey: ready for a "say what?" response [07:59] "linux is a virus" [08:00] you can expect the entrenched microsoft resellers to step up this FUD [08:01] I gave her enough information that she can explain it to him ☺ [08:01] "the raspberry pi is a circuit board with no software included" [08:02] I also told her how much it costs and she said "I have enough saved pocket money to buy one!" [08:02] - bbc 6 music lol [08:02] i said she could write programs on it [08:02] "Like minecraft?" [08:02] ICT teachers don't take kindly to having things explained to them [08:02] true [08:02] this guy is actually alright [08:03] he's not some old crusty with no idea, he gets the kids quite excited about computers [08:03] minecraft on rpi? bwahahahahaha [08:03] ☺ [08:03] maybe if they make a 4GB version [08:04] the mer project guy had to patch the libegl just to make Qt work properly on it [08:04] What can I get my Dad for his birthday? He'll be 85 tomorrow. [08:05] Beer/Whiskey [08:05] (or any standard egl+x11 software for that matter) [08:05] That's all I ever get asked for my dad :) [08:05] Been there done that :-( [08:05] He now has enough Scotch for quite a while. [08:06] My gran says never have got enough scotch [08:06] All we ever buy her now [08:06] 96 [08:06] Glaswegian, reckon shes been drinking it since a young lassy [08:06] DJones: Just suggested a Raspberry Pi to me on Twitter ;-p [08:07] Guess none of you had any luck [08:07] And the custard/cream [08:08] TheOpenSourcerer: pong (somewhat delayed, passed out at 9pm) [08:08] Hi christel no worries. [08:08] can I pm you? [08:09] of course :) [08:23] TheOpenSourcerer: looks like people are struggling to get one at the moment [08:24] MooDoo: Yep - RS and Farnell died under the weight. [08:24] Apparently Farnell sold out in 7 minutes [08:26] amazing [08:26] Yeah - can't believe some peeps are apparently getting angry about it. I think that's great. [08:27] Still seeing people getting orders on farnell in #raspberrypi though [08:27] Just think of the number of peeps' hands this will ultimately get Linux into. And they will know it is Linux, rather than a phone or STB [08:27] So not sure [08:28] i got one in my basket 2 mins ago [08:28] but it's pre-order, they have run out [08:28] I'm at a page where I can still "add to basket" but the next step is #fail [08:28] yeah, their https server is borked [08:29] I had add to basket and clicked it at 6:04 :( [08:29] Oooh - got to the basket :-) [08:29] It stuck there until it timed out [08:29] So won't bother now until later and just back order [08:30] Although I'm quite interested in the Pi package, with kbd etc. [08:30] Will probably wait a few days I think. [08:33] Going through checkout. I have an account with Farnell already for some the Nanode stuff I bough before. [08:33] \o/ ordered two [08:33] "An email has been sent confirming the order you have just placed. " [08:38] W00t! Order placed. [08:38] from which store? [08:38] Email appeared straight away. [08:38] Farnell [08:39] is it a pre-order? [08:39] Well it's an order. [08:39] But they are awaiting stock. [08:39] * AlanBell has one in the basket, every other page refresh is not working [08:40] They have my card details and have authorised the sale [08:40] have any of you guys tried letting your kids play around with conductive dough? (squishy circuits) -- i ordered some bits and pieces and thought i'd see if the boy wonder would enjoy it (http://courseweb.stthomas.edu/apthomas/SquishyCircuits/) [08:40] mind, your kids may be a bit too old, i dunno [08:40] And have confirmed my order by email. [08:40] I wonder how many on this model have already ended up on ebay at inflated prices with a promise to send them out when delivered to the original buyer [08:40] Ha that looks like fun [08:40] Nope christel , taking a look now ( 4 and 5 year olds so maybe to young ? ) [08:43] the boy is only 2! 4 and 5 may be a good (better) age actually [08:43] (i suspect it will be more fun for me than him at this stage perhaps) [08:43] yeah, i thought it was a grand idea [08:43] oh :) [08:44] Looks really good [08:44] it takes the playdough of my childhood to a totally different level :s [08:44] That's really cool christel - great video. But you can make the playdough yourself. [08:44] you bought anything yet ? [08:45] yeah, i've ordered some of their circuit stuff, intending to make the playdough at home [08:45] (it hasnt arrived mind) [08:46] Interested to see how it works out for you, also interested in what parts you ordered [08:47] Somewhere like Farnell, or the nanode/arduino shops would be pretty good for components. [08:48] i bought their "starter kit" (http://squishycircuitsstore.com/kits.html) -- i think i may (if it is a success) just buy components elsewhere mind [08:48] yeah [08:50] Maybe not from Farnell today TheOpenSourcerer :D [08:51] hehe [08:52] at the back of maplins they have lots of interesting components in little bags, you can get a load of assorted LEDs and other things [08:52] oooh [08:52] lol: https://twitter.com/#!/Raspberry_Pi/status/174778870082441216 [08:52] perhaps i need to nip into maplins and have a poke [08:52] Good thinking, reckon that will work ok with this stuff [08:56] AlanBell: when/where is the next happy hour? :x [09:04] aloha [09:04] hello prettylaura [09:04] morning czajkowski [09:04] hello my lovely christel [09:04] christel: how very dare you.....gorgeous is the word your looking for [09:05] hello gorgeous MooDoo ;) [09:05] christel: i love you [09:05] * DJones checks the date to see if he's gone back in time to 14th Feb [09:06] i love you too! [09:06] don't buy those maplins assortments [09:06] DJones: haha [09:06] ali1234: are they rubbish? [09:06] you can never figure out what the things are, so you can't use half of it [09:06] hahaha [09:06] LEDs without datasheet = burned LED [09:07] they are ok when it's stuff that is marked like resistors and capacitors [09:10] hehe [09:10] yeah i can see how that could be problematic [09:10] * heeed give evils at popey [09:10] heh [09:10] >:D [09:11] theres me right from the start trying to get a pi and you just saunter up and order two [09:11] :D [09:12] how'd you get two popey ? [09:12] * TheOpenSourcerer ordered 2 too (I have two kids) [09:13] i thought it was only one per customer? [09:13] any links for the actual secret page we were not told about? [09:13] MooDoo: I think that was before they decided to use RS & Farnell to do the distribution/logistics [09:14] ah [09:14] Shame Google didn't do a Raspberry Pi graphic rather than Gioachino Rossini [09:15] TheOpenSourcerer, nah Raspberrys twitter page saying they expressly said that it should be 1 per customer [09:15] to RS/Farnell [09:16] Well, Farnell took my order. [09:18] yeah, but unless you ordered before about 6:01am you won't be getting them from the first batch [09:18] I know that. [09:18] It clearly said out of stock. [09:18] and nobody has ever said it would be !one per customer forever" [09:18] I tried @ 5:55 onwards, failed :( [09:19] Anyway - here's a cheery piece about how the Earth is doomed: http://arstechnica.com/science/news/2012/02/getting-ready-for-the-end-of-growth-on-earth.ars [09:22] I agree with them tbh TheOpenSourcerer , not that I am some one who can even think that I know what I am talking about [09:23] But I 'feel' the same way [09:23] Yep, me too. We're totally fscked if we just carry on regardless. [09:27] Happy Leap Day, everyone! :D [09:30] Good morning peeps :) [09:30] Still mobile I see bigcalm[xoom] [09:31] Aye === nick_ is now known as Guest75762 [09:46] Morning [09:48] Morning all. I am having an issue with SSH from our broadband line here. When I connect to a server and run "ls" the connection drops. SSH works fine from anywhere other than here. [09:49] check your MTU and packet fragmentation settings on router [09:49] see http://www.snailbook.com/faq/mtu-mismatch.auto.html [09:52] what's the best way to refresh my unity setup without reinstalling ubuntu? (i have a working gnome-shell setup i want to keep) [09:53] thanks ali1234 [09:57] so does anyone have any idea who Michael Rockman is? [09:57] context? [09:58] Candian tennis player? [09:58] Appears as a quoted "tchinology jounralist" on http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-17192823 [09:58] urgh//// slow interwebs is slow [09:58] technology journalist even [09:59] the only relevant result I get for him is that article..... [09:59] oh, the only person they could find who didn't like it [09:59] yeah... bit I have no idea who he is :) [10:00] I htink they mean "Simon Rockman" from ZDNet [10:01] that or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mega_Man_%28character%29 [10:09] ah, fixed my osd notify issues by starting notify-osd daemon :D [10:09] popey, that dot in the right hand corner of my windows...i put that there [10:09] hah [10:10] it's a cute way of putting windows on different workspaces [10:10] although right mouse button does the same thing...it's nice to have a target [10:11] while i try to learn left sided buttons [10:14] performance of unity seems better than gnome shell by a fair distance [10:14] in 11.10 [10:14] :O [10:14] for me it is much slower [10:14] in my experience [10:14] i have nvidia dual screen...gnome shell hates it [10:14] so do i [10:15] unity can't go above 17 fps here [10:15] nVidia Corporation G86 [Quadro NVS 290] [10:15] ali1234, how do i check [10:15] fps [10:15] some compiz plugin [10:16] yeah that plugin isn't a good measure [10:17] i can tell the framerate by just looking [10:18] ali1234, i had to restart gnome shell many times per day becuase xorg was 100% cpu [10:18] i get 60+ fps on all my machines [10:21] ali1234, which nividia card? [10:21] GT 240 [10:21] * AlanBell wonders how to tell the framerate [10:22] AlanBell, there aren't any reliable utilities for that [10:22] ali1234, i'm getting 60fps [10:22] well from where are people plucking these figures? [10:23] AlanBell: just grab a fairly large window and move it about. if it's completely smooth => 60 fps. if it is a bit juddery but doesnn't lag => 30 fps and if it is laggy and extremely juddery => 15fps [10:23] compiz extras plugin from sw center [10:23] either you get one that forces a new frame constantly, which is cheating, not a good statistic, or you try and measure real framerates which doesn't work because unity will render variable framerates, only drawing a new frame if its needed [10:23] oimon: specifically which one? [10:23] ali1234, no, thats not good [10:23] it's fine [10:23] i don't care if unity can do 60fps when no windows are being updated [10:23] *that* is cheating [10:23] AlanBell, benchmark, [10:24] no its not, its not measuring framerate, rather compiz's communication with X [10:24] ali1234, when i move a window it goes up to 70fps [10:24] Use minecraft? [10:24] there is a long standing issue with compiz moving windows as its tries to keep X synchronized, which causes the movement to look jittery [10:25] framerate = how fast can you redraw the whole frame [10:25] not how fast you can flip unchanged buffers [10:25] this whole desktop hopping is making me sad [10:25] no. framerate = how many frames you can present in a second [10:25] ok, benchmark seems to go up to 30fps [10:25] redraw time = how fast you can redraw a frame [10:26] ok then. let me put it this way: unity redraw time sucks, and i don't care about "framerate" [10:31] ali1234, 11.10 or other? [10:31] 11.10 [10:31] 12.04 has a large number of fixes [10:31] seems to be quite a variation among gfx cards then [10:31] i am experiencing complete opposite issues [10:31] although gnome shell is quite fast for first hour [10:32] it is unusable after a while [10:32] on 11.10, fr me, unity is "fast" (ie 30fps) for the first hour, then gets slower and slower until dragging a window takes 5 seconds or so to redraw the screen [10:33] i've never used gnome-shell long enough to encounter any problems, but it is faster right from the start here [10:33] ali1234, i'll report back in an houe [10:33] i tend to login and think, hey this is workable.. [10:34] then later that week/day i hate it [10:34] you could always use fallback mode [10:34] it's not gnome2 tho [10:34] it pretty much is actually [10:34] in 12.04 it is anyway [10:34] oh ok [10:35] i'm on my prod work box atm [10:35] you can even add all the old panel applets... because it's just gnome-panel [10:35] and it is incredibly fast [10:35] ali1234, that makes me happy - does it run compiz? [10:35] and by "incredibly fast" i mean it's as fast as gnome 2 used to be [10:35] that is promising [10:35] it runs compiz if you want it to i suppose [10:35] metacity by default though [10:35] i thought 12.04 was dropping fallback [10:36] it's called "gnome classic" now [10:36] maybe it isn't installed by default... idk [10:36] you might need to install gnome-shell to get it [10:36] "ubuntu classic" is what was dropped [10:37] gnome-session-fallback is the package you need [10:42] o/ [10:47] hi s-fox x [10:47] Hello MooDoo [10:47] How are you ? [10:47] s-fox: faboo thanks [10:50] Good MooDoo :) [10:51] Hmmh, I need to look for a PCIe x16 graphics card with dual screen output for a Win 7 machine and is reasonably priced [10:52] Hi, I'm using Ubuntu Desktop version and I love it! [10:52] RASPBERRY PI, MODEL Qty Ordered 1 Qty to Follow 1 Estimated Delivery W/C 26/03/2012 :-) [10:52] DJones, doing anything interesting with it? games or 3d modelling or whatever? [10:53] TheOpenSourcerer, Where did you order one from? [10:53] farnell s-fox [10:54] gord: No, just lack of screen space on 1920x900 monitor, I need to have some constantly updating data on screen all the time (exchange rates etc), but a web client & bank software takes up a fair chunk of screen [10:54] sold out in 7 mins at farnell :D [10:54] I think most of the stock went on their lower-trafficked sites because the UK site crumbled after about 4 minutes. [10:55] I did wonder how long the sites would stay up ;) [10:56] why does everyone want rpi on first day? [10:56] I registered interest on rs-online, but no email about placing an order as of yet :/ [10:56] hoepfully the spec will improve during the year ;D [10:56] DJones, an nvidia 200 series gpu should do you fine then, just look on ebuyer to find one with at least two outputs, most do [10:56] DJones, about 30 quid [10:56] Not long enough for me to click the Add button (ajax crashed) and that was at 6:04. Couldn't refresh after that :( [10:56] gord: Thanks, thats the sort of price I was looking at [11:00] For a few more pounds you can stick three monitors on a AMD 5450 [11:00] And I do just mean a few, Ebuyer have one for £23.50 [11:00] Nice [11:01] And on paper, the 5450 uses less power and has better performance [11:01] http://www.hwcompare.com/376/geforce-gt-210-vs-radeon-hd-5450/ [11:01] (than the 210, budget nvidia card) [11:02] good morning everyone. [11:02] ping popey [11:02] popey: Error establishing a database connection <- from uupc site [11:02] brobostigon: Is it? Is it really? [11:02] bah [11:02] Oli: yes. [11:03] I saw the crack of DOOM this morning as I crawled out of bed at 10 to 6 to buy a RasPi and here I am, hours later, with no RasPi in sight. [11:03] Oli: same as rest of us. [11:04] * Oli grumbles his way off to make an espresso [11:12] morning funksters [11:12] bigcalm[xoom]|: still no vm [11:13] Hi davmor2 [11:13] czajkowski: PROD!!!!!!!!! [11:13] Correct [11:13] davmor2: good morning [11:14] morning davmor2 [11:14] MooDoo: how's life up north [11:14] bigcalm[xoom]|: :( [11:14] davmor2: not bad lad :) at work slaving away at the moment lol [11:14] uhh... popey, you might have a bigger problem :) ubuntu-uk.org isn't responding either :) [11:14] bigcalm[xoom]|: if you lived closer I'd say come and borrow some of mine, but if you lived closer I'd of been hit by it too me thinks [11:15] Heh [11:15] better now [11:15] Morning all, hope you are well, its my first time here [11:15] richardperkins: welcome ;) [11:16] lot more people in here who can help you [11:16] hello richardperkins welcome [11:16] Cheers czajkowski [11:16] popey: \o/ [11:16] richardperkins: welcome, ready for the initiation? [11:16] ;) [11:17] finally got rid of the windows safety net [11:17] [Alan Pope] Unity is the best choice for the future of Ubuntu - http://popey.com/blog/2012/02/29/unity-is-the-best-choice-for-the-future-of-ubuntu/ [11:17] richardperkins: fab :) how you finding it? [11:17] richardperkins, yay [11:17] its really good [11:17] ;) [11:18]