[00:00] <CFHowlett> Sir_Leto   if you insist ... I'd install regular ubuntu then do the ubuntustudio upgrade from that.   Also, stick with LTS releases ... 10.4 at present
[00:01] <Sir_Leto> Okay, thanks
[00:01] <CFHowlett> Sir_Leto   have fun / be safe
[00:01] <Sir_Leto> okay
[00:41] <Sir_Leto> also. how do I fix that fglrx driver issue?
[00:41] <Sir_Leto> is that only in 11.04?
[00:41] <Sir_Leto> *11.10
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[03:19] <cwillu> standard installer will do just that
[03:20] <cwillu> backups are still recommended, because a power cut at the wrong time will break things
[03:20] <cwillu> but that's also the case with a wubi install
[03:20] <cwillu> (or any install really.  Backups are not optional if keeping your data is a requirement.)
[03:21]  * cwillu ponders ways to make ubuntu-minimal depend on a magic "backups_up_to_date" package
[04:19] <RedWar> hi all.  I have downloaded ubuntu studio, and I am looking for videos on trying to use it for audio recording like podcasts and music making.  Can anyone point me in the right direction.  I have been googling, but it has yielded reviews or installation videos.
[05:03] <holstein> RedWar: you can just use audacity for most of that
[05:04] <holstein> most of what we have as far as tools (such as JACK) are really overkill for what you are doing
[05:04] <holstein> you dont really need ubuntustudio to make a podcast, though i use ardour and JACK when podcasting
[05:04] <holstein> check out the #opensourcemusicians community :)
[05:05] <CFHowlett> RedWar   audacity is the swiss army knife of podcasting...
[05:05] <holstein> and a low barrier of entry
[05:23] <ers> hi there. I need help... i have problems with my ubuntustudio (oneric) the top menubar is no displaying. the applications windows overlaps it and I just can see the menu bar when i close all the windows...
[05:24] <ers> somebody have any suggestion or any link where I can find help?
[05:26] <holstein> ers: i would say you have changed the behavior of the panel
[05:26] <CFHowlett> ers   love to but I still use 10.04 because 11.10 is NOT recommended.  (LTS is a good thing)
[05:26] <holstein> assuming thats what you mean by panel
[05:26] <holstein> top menubar = panel?
[05:27] <holstein> ers: i would either just make a new user account, and look around in there about how to recover from the unwanted changes
[05:27] <holstein> OR, get a xubuntu live CD and look around in there
[05:31] <ers> well, I'm a completely newbie, not sure if is the panel, I mean the top bar where the clock, the network icon, the menu where the applications are....I logged as a "guest" and the bar works fine... but not in my account
[05:32] <holstein> yup... thats a panel
[05:32] <holstein> if you make a new user, or login as guest, you'll see the "default" scenario
[05:33] <holstein> you can also find the config files in your /home directory and remove them... and get back to the default setting
[05:33] <holstein> you should try and find out what you changed.. something like "allow maximized windows to cover panel
[05:38] <ers> oook. yep, .config is a directory... so you recommend me to rm it? or any specific file or directory inside it?
[05:39] <holstein> ers: ?
[05:39] <holstein> did i say rm anything?
[05:39] <holstein> *dont* just rm random things
[05:40] <holstein> im saying you can remove temporarily, or rename the config files responsible for the settings of the changes you have accidentally made to the XFCE panel
[05:40] <holstein> somewhere in ~/.config/xfce4/panel/ maybe
[05:48] <ers> ok, i'll try that. thanks holstein... now I'll restart to see what happens.thanks again
[14:27] <Halexander9000>  Ffmpeg's X11grab is not working. " Unknown input format: 'x11grab' ". Can someone please help me?
[14:36] <grzesiek> hi, could anyone here help me with Jack configuration? It seems to work fine, but crashes often and randomly for no apparent reason, preetty annoying...
[15:01] <cwillu> grzesiek, how are you starting it?
[15:02] <cwillu> and can you pastebin the output of jackd?
[15:14] <grzesiek> cwillu: I start it from Jack Control, but someone on #jack channel just advised me to use the terminal and get the core dump, when it crashes... so I'm waiting for it to crash :) it usually takes ten minutes or so, when it does I surely can paste the output
[15:24] <holstein> yeah... thats what i was going to suggest
[15:24] <holstein> las is the guy, if you can get him to help
[15:53] <Halexander9000> Can someone please help me? http://pastebin.com/dB5M1Brg
[16:25] <holstein> Halexander9000: looks like the x11grab is the issue
[16:25] <holstein> what are you trying to accomplish?
[16:26] <holstein> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/ffmpeg-x11grab-unknown-format-522296/
[16:27] <holstein> http://soledadpenades.com/2010/04/26/unknown-input-or-output-format-x11grab-ubuntu/
[18:03] <starn> Hello, i'm trying to do something with sound that appears to impossible. i'm trying to get music stuff to play through my speakers and VoIP and other voice chats to play through my headphones.. i can make ALL audio play through both... but i can't figure out how to split it.. the people over at #ubuntu suggested jack.. and suggested i get help from here..
[18:04] <holstein> starn: JACK is overkill
[18:04] <holstein> i would install and look at pavucontrol
[18:04] <starn> holstein: i did a fresh install and this uses Alsa.
[18:04] <holstein> starn: cool
[18:04] <holstein> you can try something live using pulse then
[18:04] <holstein> pavucontrol actually provides that per application routing possibilities.. in theory
[18:04] <starn> holstein: i've had no luck with pulse on my other install..
[18:04] <holstein> not JACK
[18:05] <holstein> you can run JACK on one device, and pulse on another (again in theory)
[18:05] <holstein> you can have multilple sound cards showing up in JACK
[18:05] <holstein> thats a pain, and it glitchy
[18:05] <holstein> its*
[18:05] <holstein> i say, if you are pushing play on files, and doing VIOP.. JACK is overkill
[18:05] <starn> holstein: i have a single card.. that on hardware level supposedly supports split audio like what i am wanting. it uses Realtek drivers in windows.
[18:06] <holstein> starn: cool
[18:06] <starn> i think on here it uses HDA Intel ALC1200
[18:06] <holstein> i would literally just install pavucontrol and route as i want
[18:06] <holstein> asumming the alsa drivers support it
[18:06] <starn> i'll try that i guess.
[18:06] <holstein> you can install JACK and figure out how to get it running
[18:07] <holstein> sometime tomorrow when you get it running stable, and not spitting out xruns, you can find that its not quite right either
[18:07] <holstein> most VOIP apps are likely not going to support JACK anyways
[18:07] <starn> oh holstein apparently i already have pavucontrol neat.
[18:07] <starn> holstein: the primary VOIP app i use is Teamspeak 3
[18:07] <holstein> cool
[18:08] <holstein> i know mumble did *not* support JACK out of the box
[18:08] <holstein> nor did the developers care to add that support
[18:08] <holstein> you can search around and see if teamspeak supports it
[18:08] <holstein> and go through what we did there.. ask if they want to add JACK support or whatever
[18:08] <holstein> BUT, JACK is *not* what you want
[18:09] <starn> i think they do already... when they came out with 3 they tried to support everything for 2 only supported oss and nothing else
[18:10] <holstein> they either do or not... you'd need to find that out..
[18:10] <starn> holstein: i don't see how to reroute audio to speakers in pavucontrol.
[18:10] <starn> like it detects ports : Analog output and ports : Headphones.
[18:10] <holstein> you can http://forum.teamspeak.com/showthread.php/20346-JACK-support and lobby for JACK support
[18:11] <holstein> starn: depends on your hardware what is detected.. i dont trust labels *anywhere*.. i just go ahead and route signal and test
[18:11] <starn> how do i route it?
[18:11] <holstein> starn: i use pavucontrol
[18:11] <starn> i am basically retarted when it comes to sound on linux.
[18:12] <starn> i have it open.
[18:12] <holstein> nah.. just give it a minute to sink in
[18:12] <holstein> its a GUI... theres not lines like JACK
[18:12] <holstein> and i foget
[18:12] <starn> whats the other tool holstein to enable virtual sound devices and other stuff?
[18:12] <holstein> forget* what it looks like actually
[18:12] <holstein> but, its do-able
[18:12] <holstein> starn: not sure.. feel free and try the mailing list, or try #opensourcemusicians
[18:13] <starn> well i've been all over pavucontrol.. and i just can't seem to find away i've been at this for the past 4 days.
[18:13] <holstein> pavucontrol is the way to go though
[18:13] <holstein> starn: OK... i though you literaly just fired up pavucontrol
[18:13] <starn> holstein: the program for pulse.. it was like pulse something allowed you to even make a server for ipods.
[18:13] <holstein> sure... theres all kinds of options like that i bet
[18:14] <holstein> i mean, i have other machines, so i might just set up a dedicated streaming rig
[18:14] <starn> holstein: i just can't remember the name could've sworn you suggested it.. i do remember talking to you before and you suggest pavucontrol but i could've sworn you suggested something else as well
[18:14] <holstein> or one of the phones i have
[18:14] <holstein> pavucontol is on a per application basis
[18:15] <holstein> you should have the applications running
[18:15] <holstein> test with a couple instances of VLC
[18:15] <holstein> or VLC and something else
[18:15] <holstein> if they are not running, they wont show up there
[18:18] <starn> i do like my new sound device.... it's got really nice sound haha.. now than i see VLC both of them but no options
[18:20] <holstein> the problem is, you dont have 2 cards
[18:20] <holstein> you just have one
[18:20] <holstein> and you have 2 outupts that you are trything to split to
[18:20] <starn> than how come the evil sound card says it supports it.
[18:21] <holstein> ?
[18:21] <holstein> it doesnt
[18:21] <holstein> it just has some jacks
[18:21] <starn> according to manufacturs it does.
[18:21] <holstein> nah
[18:21] <starn> and microsoft..
[18:21] <holstein> not unless you have seen it happen
[18:21] <holstein> and maybe driver support in windows will provide that
[18:21] <holstein> but thats not going to help you here
[18:21] <starn> it has the options in windows i know this for sure.
[18:21] <holstein> you are goin to use the alsa driver
[18:21] <holstein> and either its there, or not
[18:21] <holstein> can you do it?
[18:21] <starn> and in linux i noticed it does..
[18:22] <holstein> sure
[18:22] <holstein> its all open
[18:22] <holstein> you can do what you like
[18:22] <starn> but i don't have Digital headphones or speakers
[18:22] <starn> or HDMI
[18:22] <holstein> are you going to be able to do that really easily in like a couple minutes?
[18:22] <holstein> likely not
[18:22] <holstein> what would i di?
[18:22] <holstein> do*
[18:22] <holstein> i would set up another box
[18:22] <starn> this has HDMI Digital and spdif
[18:22] <holstein> i would would get a $4 USB audio device
[18:22] <starn> they don't sell those here.
[18:22] <holstein> i would use a CD player
[18:23] <holstein> i would use a phone
[18:23] <holstein> i would work around it
[18:23] <starn> well all my music is on my computer hard drive.
[18:23] <holstein> starn: cool
[18:23] <holstein> you can stream that too *anything* on your network
[18:23] <holstein> you can ssh in and share it off that way
[18:23] <holstein> samba
[18:23] <holstein> ampache
[18:23] <holstein> whatever you like
[18:24] <holstein> im just saying.. dont get caught up in what the windows drivers are capable of
[18:24] <starn> nothing else other than the person i don't want hearing VoIP... computer is even connected to the network. :\
[18:24] <holstein> that vendor *can* provide that functionaltiy to you... and they are not
[18:24] <starn> well i am also going by what the people who made the card said.
[18:24] <holstein> right
[18:24] <holstein> starn: but about *windows* support, correct?
[18:25] <starn> and last time i tried their linux drivers... kinda had to redo linux for they broke my kernal
[18:25] <starn> they support linux
[18:25] <holstein> then ask them whats up
[18:25] <starn> i only buy hardware that states linux is supported
[18:25] <holstein> mabye you'd have better luck in the LTS. in 10.04
[18:25] <holstein> its its supported, then i would ask them for support
[18:25] <holstein> or try some other live CD's
[18:27] <holstein> you can fire up JACK and see how the device shows up
[18:27] <holstein> it'll likely show up as a stereo device
[18:28] <holstein> meaning that, everything comes out of the 2 channels... which is the way most cards are
[18:28] <holstein> i have a netbook that has support for what you are talking about
[18:28] <starn> i found the program i was trying to remember. paprefs.
[18:28] <holstein> when i run JACK, i see 4 channels... 2 stereo outs
[18:28] <holstein> i can write to them independently like i do my 10 channel interface
[18:29] <starn> without jack i see 2 plugged in out and 1 audio in.. and HDMI spdif and Digital.
[18:29] <holstein> but, thats literally the *only* consumer grade, internal sound card i have seen like that
[18:29] <holstein> and when i got the latest kernel, that is gone
[18:29] <holstein> starn: i would try writing to one of them then
[18:29] <starn> do you remember what version you was using?
[18:30] <holstein> starn: all of them since 8.04 pretty much
[18:30] <holstein> that was 11.04 i think
[18:30] <holstein> not that its going to help you any
[18:30] <holstein> that was a much different card
[18:30] <starn> for i have no issues making sound come out of all devices.. i just can't stop one sound from going to other decive.. its either all devices [speakers headphones] or one.. or none..
[18:30] <holstein> starn: correct
[18:30] <holstein> its all just one big stereo device
[18:31] <holstein> thats what im saying
[18:31] <holstein> i have only seen one case where that was *not* the situation
[18:31] <starn> well i still have seperate for HDMI and the Digital ports.
[18:31] <holstein> typically... its just one big stero device
[18:31] <starn> guess i buy Digital speakers.
[18:31] <holstein> starn: cool.. then write to that one.. ask VLC to use that
[18:31] <holstein> route another player to that other device
[18:32] <starn> i do have spdif and vlc sees i do... i guess i'll look in back see if it works.
[18:32] <holstein> yup
[18:32] <holstein> going to another deivce would be easiest, since that splitting is going to depend on the driver you have, and alsa apparently is *not* supporting that device fully, and the vendor is either not helping you or you havent aksed yet
[18:33] <holstein> asked*
[18:33] <holstein> if the vendor provides a driver, you could try it