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| marcoceppi | heh, so I did a stupid thing. I bootstrapped on EC2 and deployed a crap load of charms to test something. Then I left the office and went home: ERROR Invalid SSH key | 01:23 |
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| marcoceppi | Can I destroy from EC2 without Juju getting sad faced | 01:24 |
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| _mup_ | juju/hook-alias-expansion-redux r468 committed by kapil.thangavelu@canonical.com | 03:13 |
| _mup_ | scheduler stop values are ignored if the scheduler is running | 03:13 |
| jamespage | morning all | 10:04 |
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| jcastro | anyone have the spec for the automagic dependency check handy? | 14:04 |
| jcastro | lp:~hazmat/juju/auto-magic-dependency-spec seems like it's the canonical location | 14:05 |
| hazmat | jcastro, that's not quite the same thing.. | 14:06 |
| jcastro | ah ok | 14:06 |
| hazmat | jcastro, i mean well.. it depends on what you mean ;-) | 14:06 |
| jcastro | do we have a spec for juju recommending dependencies on a charm? | 14:06 |
| jcastro | I know we've talked about it and the answer was "some day", just wondering if we had gotten beyond that | 14:07 |
| hazmat | jcastro, if you mean deploy dependencies automatically.. that's what its doing.. but that isn't practical it turns out | 14:07 |
| jcastro | hazmat: oh, ok, I am trying to answer this guy's question: | 14:07 |
| jcastro | http://askubuntu.com/questions/109042/how-would-one-know-a-charms-dependencies | 14:07 |
| jcastro | and my answer so far is "yeah we don't do that yet." but I wanted to link him to something. | 14:08 |
| jcastro | or in this case, I guess explain why we don't want that anymore? | 14:08 |
| hazmat | jcastro, so knowledge is easy to satisfy.. i'd like put the charmrunner plans onto the charm browser, so its more clear | 14:09 |
| jcastro | ok so the tldr; is "it'll be in the charm browser?" | 14:09 |
| hazmat | jcastro, but in terms of deploying it into an environment.. say you want to deploy mediawiki into an environment, and you have 3 mysql services already there.. which one do you use to satisify the dep, or do you deploy a new one. | 14:10 |
| jcastro | ah, right | 14:10 |
| * hazmat needs some coffee | 14:10 | |
| jcastro | indeed, caffeine time | 14:11 |
| jcastro | ok I left the guy an answer, any one feel free to submit an edit to clarify or correct. | 14:14 |
| hazmat | jcastro, re the charm browser currently, you can got to any charm page (probably via search) on a given charm page, you can click an interface and it takes to you a page that shows who provides and requires a it | 14:19 |
| jcastro | yeah but we can improve that a bit | 14:20 |
| hazmat | also the search works directly from the chrome/chromium's url bar if you tab on the site name .. which is magically awesome ;-) | 14:20 |
| jcastro | like, mediawiki says it requires memcache, but it doesn't really | 14:20 |
| jcastro | the real issue I think here is that we don't have READMEs for the basic older charms | 14:21 |
| jcastro | that would make all of this go away | 14:21 |
| hazmat | true, mediawiki doesn't any of those as optional | 14:21 |
| hazmat | https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~charmers/charms/oneiric/mediawiki/trunk/view/head:/metadata.yaml | 14:21 |
| hazmat | but that's partly because the default is optional anyways at this point.. | 14:21 |
| jcastro | hmm, maybe we should highlight the Configs and Interfaces more in the web UI than the hooks | 14:22 |
| jcastro | if I'm consuming a charm do I care about the hooks? | 14:22 |
| jcastro | I would think I'd care about the config options I can set and if I need something else | 14:22 |
| jcastro | anyway, for now I think just asking people to go back and README their charms is a good 90% fix | 14:23 |
| jcastro | and we're heavily recommending it on the new charms | 14:23 |
| jcastro | still, the guy asked a good question | 14:24 |
| hazmat | jcastro, docs need some love ;-) | 14:36 |
| jcastro | I know | 14:39 |
| _mup_ | Bug #944038 was filed: Inform users they have an environment.yaml with the same control bucket value <juju:New> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/944038 > | 14:46 |
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| SpamapS | hazmat: :( | 17:28 |
| SpamapS | hazmat: you're suggesting dropping my favorite part of Jim's spec | 17:28 |
| SpamapS | hazmat: juju do is not an anti-use case. I've been asking for it for a *long* time. | 17:29 |
| SpamapS | hazmat: and it has always been suggested that these commands would be usable by cron jobs, ssh, etc. | 17:30 |
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| hazmat | SpamapS, cron jobs can execute hooks directly and use the cli api.. but the very notion of juju do is pretty crackful imo | 17:40 |
| hazmat | SpamapS, post the team meeting currently ongoing i was hoping to do a g+ with jimbaker if your up for it | 17:41 |
| SpamapS | hazmat: cron jobs would have to set the socket path.. and other weird stuff. wrapping that is nice. | 17:41 |
| SpamapS | hazmat: hrm.. I'm interested but I'm under the gun for a few other things.. so I'll pass for now. | 17:42 |
| hazmat | SpamapS, fair enough | 18:00 |
| hazmat | SpamapS, socket path has a default known address, it doesn't need to be set | 18:00 |
| hazmat | SpamapS, the problem is the other side isn't really listening outside of a hook execution atm | 18:00 |
| SpamapS | hazmat: I think you misunderstood the desire to have juju do. | 18:23 |
| SpamapS | hazmat: From what I see, its so you can make it easy to interact with juju outside hooks. | 18:24 |
| SpamapS | but I digress | 18:24 |
| SpamapS | I think its two different things | 18:24 |
| SpamapS | and should be discussed as such | 18:24 |
| hazmat | SpamapS, it is two different things, using the hook cli api outside of hooks is the one we need to support | 18:25 |
| hazmat | having juju client support for executing arbitrary hooks.. is not | 18:26 |
| SpamapS | its not so much the client on your remove machine though.. | 18:26 |
| SpamapS | right? | 18:26 |
| SpamapS | Its just so that while you're ssh'd into the machine, you can use relation-get or call a hook | 18:26 |
| SpamapS | anyway, I don't want juju do to delay the introduction of all the other goodness | 18:27 |
| hazmat | SpamapS, 'juju' is the client.. regardless of where it is.. | 18:27 |
| SpamapS | because the other stuff.. being able to relation-list one relation from another.. is *critical* | 18:27 |
| hazmat | SpamapS, agreed the entire hook cli api offered by hooks should be executable easily outside of hooks | 18:28 |
| hazmat | SpamapS, what's a use case for executing a hook directly? | 18:29 |
| SpamapS | hazmat: re-asserting configuration | 18:32 |
| SpamapS | hazmat: admin logs in, screws everything up debugging.. wants to leave it back in the state the charm asserts | 18:32 |
| hazmat | SpamapS, the problem is not every hook is idempotent.. calling something like -depart could mess things up more | 18:33 |
| SpamapS | hazmat: I don't have a use case for departed | 18:37 |
| hazmat | SpamapS, if we enable the capability.. we enable it for everyone.. a user can just execute config-changed directly at that point | 18:39 |
| SpamapS | *that* would be fantastic | 18:39 |
| hazmat | jimbaker, SpamapS g+ invites out | 18:40 |
| jimbaker | ok | 18:40 |
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| jcastro | m_3: Hey, how's the node charm these days? | 19:09 |
| jcastro | https://github.com/thedjpetersen/subway#readme | 19:09 |
| jcastro | saw this on HN and I wanted to chase them down, it looks cute | 19:09 |
| SpamapS | jcastro: that does look cool | 19:12 |
| jcastro | especially since it uses node and mongo | 19:13 |
| jcastro | that's 2 other charms it can interact with | 19:13 |
| jcastro | SpamapS: you have any idea how complete the node charm is? | 19:13 |
| SpamapS | jcastro: Its a framework, like django and rails.. needs subordinates to be really amazing. | 19:14 |
| jcastro | ah dude I get it | 19:15 |
| jcastro | i'd need 3 instances for IRC | 19:15 |
| jcastro | bootstrap, subway, and mongo right? | 19:16 |
| SpamapS | jcastro: yes and no | 19:17 |
| SpamapS | jcastro: Since this is almost certainly a "low scale" app, you can just have it install mongo locally. | 19:17 |
| SpamapS | jcastro: I was doing the same thing w/ mediagoblin before they decided to rip out mongodb ;) | 19:17 |
| jcastro | ah | 19:17 |
| jcastro | ok I'm going to go just join their channel | 19:18 |
| jcastro | they seem pretty cool | 19:18 |
| SpamapS | jcastro: when are we going to start working on project fido again? Next week? | 19:18 |
| jcastro | yeah | 19:20 |
| jcastro | we totally forgot to plan for Strata running into this week | 19:20 |
| adam_g | hmm is there some hard limit on the # of settings that may be passed via relation-set in a single hook? | 19:30 |
| adam_g | cant seem to get anymore than 7 of 10 to the other side | 19:31 |
| SpamapS | adam_g: shouldn't be | 19:35 |
| SpamapS | adam_g: are the values large? | 19:36 |
| SpamapS | adam_g: zk does have a 1MB limit on any single node, and I believe relation-set sticks all of them in a single node. | 19:36 |
| SpamapS | But I'd think you would have something much more horrible if you hit that. | 19:36 |
| SpamapS | dunno if it truncates or errors | 19:36 |
| adam_g | SpamapS: actually, nevermind. verifiedby flooding the relation with a thousand settings before i realized i fat fingered something in the charm :{ | 19:37 |
| SpamapS | adam_g: lol | 19:37 |
| * SpamapS sends adam_g's fingers to The Biggest Loser to get yelled at | 19:38 | |
| adam_g | fat finger summer camp | 19:38 |
| m_3 | jcastro: the node charm is actually in good shape | 19:42 |
| jcastro | good to hear | 19:42 |
| m_3 | it's rpetty much ready for review... had to revamp it a couple of weeks ago for the mongodb talk | 19:42 |
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| jcastro | SpamapS: pastebin/lodgeit charm is ready for round #2 of review. Fight! | 21:09 |
| flaviamissi | Hey! Is there a way to execute a command in an unit with `juju ssh`? I've tried the ssh's approach of passing the command in the end, but juju doens't interprets it the way I expected.. | 21:14 |
| robbiew | SpamapS: m_3: -> http://ubuntuone.com/3fNyLF45rp016mWud0KMBc | 21:47 |
| robbiew | juju-jitsu!! | 21:47 |
| * robbiew returns to work now | 21:47 | |
| SpamapS | robbiew: nice, is that hong kong phooey?! | 21:50 |
| robbiew | yup | 21:52 |
| m_3 | robbiew: awesome! | 22:14 |
| m_3 | I'm sitting in a talk entitled "Data Jujitsu" | 22:14 |
| * m_3 harumph! | 22:14 | |
| _mup_ | Bug #855989 was filed: Document usage with orchestra <juju:Confirmed> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/855989 > | 23:17 |
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