[03:03] another night without sleep :( [03:13] Sleep is for the weak. [03:20] turns out no sleep makes you weak [03:20] very confusing [03:25] again no jon [03:25] meh [03:39] * ScottK thinks claydoh moved just so he wouldn't be closest to Jon the Taco and have to go beat on his door. [03:50] we can hire someone to do that though [04:09] claydoh: You didn't by chance have release notes for the beta put together would you? [04:10] * ScottK doesn't know if anyone asked. [04:11] ScottK: also ask that guy who wanted to help with release notes last cycle around [04:11] * ScottK doesn't remember who that was. [04:14] me neither [04:14] :S [04:14] ScottK: http://apachelog.wordpress.com/2012/02/07/how-kubuntu-did-not-change/#comment-1582 [04:15] https://launchpad.net/~lunarcloud [04:15] if that is the same person [04:25] Looks like. Would you email him? [11:41] apparently something cause a regression in the update 2 days ago of kde-window-manager-common in Precise [11:42] I now have single click adding tracks to the playlist in Amarok [11:42] how is this even possible? Isn't that just a build update? [11:55] single click on what? that doesn't sound like anything to do with kwin [11:59] single click on a track [11:59] rbelem: you'll need to check the startactive actually works as a login session before I can upload it [11:59] and nothing was changed in Amarok [11:59] Mamarok: that's a global setting somewhere for KDE, maybe related to the widget theme [12:00] I know, but normally a single click in Amarok just selects the track, it doesn't add it to the playlist [12:01] that is very weird, it started today and the only thing I changed was an update in Precise [12:19] Mamarok: I believe there's a discussion ongoing on ubuntu-devel about touchpads [12:20] Mamarok: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2012-February/034852.html [12:24] it takes a double click on a Local Collection track on the left to put it in the playlist on the right for my Amarok [12:29] Mamarok: The kde-workspace update from two days ago was just a packaging change. It didn't change any upstream code, so thtat's not it. === greyback is now known as greyback|lunch [13:09] ScottK: that is what I guessed [13:10] shadeslayer: how is that related to my question? [13:13] brrr ... I got over excited and read the question wrong -.- [13:48] agateau: did you e-mail the kde-telepathy team about message indicator? [13:56] Riddell: no, I am having so much fun hacking gnome-control-center I can't stop [13:56] * agateau is grumpy === greyback|lunch is now known as greyback [14:09] agateau: porting it to Qt I hope [14:12] !testers [14:12] Testing help needed in #kubuntu-devel ping Riddell, yofel, soee, Tm_T, shadeslayer, BluesKaj, James147, em [14:12] some more needed for beta 1 http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/208/builds [14:22] claydoh: beta release today. I guess you're not available for last minute release page? [14:23] sorry I should have started pinging about that days ago [14:23] how's this? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/TechnicalOverview#Kubuntu [14:41] Hey all [14:50] Riddell: http://clang.debian.net/ < Seen that? === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan [14:59] shadeslayer: nope, should we care? [15:00] I don't think so [15:00] ooh hi Quintasan [15:00] Riddell: I'll do the remaining DVD amd64 test, and the auto-resize ones for the alternate images. Can't do the others [15:00] \o [15:00] nobody seen Darkwing I take it? [15:00] hey Quintasan === yofel_ is now known as yofel [15:02] yeah, hi yofel [15:04] Curses, I was hoping to do something but I have to go [15:04] Bloody hell. [15:04] shadeslayer: interesting one [15:04] shadeslayer: exams over? [15:08] apachelogger: I can't seem to reproduce your changelog issue with xfprint4 [15:11] apachelogger: At a glance, I'd say that KIO fscked up a bit and didn't return in an error state when it encountered the 404 [15:25] Riddell: not right now, but maybe in the (near) future [15:25] yofel: yep [15:27] Oh btw, I recieved my kindle today and surprise surprise, I can ssh into it [15:35] shadeslayer: crazy, what's it running? [15:35] Linux [15:35] 2.26 I think [15:36] ah no, 2.6.26 [15:37] yeah but any recognisable distro? [15:37] oh [15:37] lemme see [15:37] can you apt-get install kubuntu-desktop? :) [15:37] hah, not enough space probably :P [15:38] there's just 1.25 GB's there [15:41] dudes how's this? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PreciseUpgrades/Kubuntu [15:47] Riddell: [root@[192_168_15_244] root]# uname -a [15:47] Linux [192_168_15_244] 2.6.31-rt11-lab126 #1 Fri Sep 2 19:00:58 PDT 2011 armv7l GNU/Linux [15:47] ugh [15:47] stupid NM tries to tether to the kindle -.0 [15:47] just because I'm ssh'ing over usb [15:48] armv7, you could run ubuntu on it :) [15:49] lol [15:50] but what's the use, it has a grayscale screen :P [15:50] maybe KDE still has a monochrome theme [15:50] http://paste.kde.org/431912/ [15:51] * shadeslayer tries dmesg [15:52] shadeslayer: any /etc/lsb-release ? [15:52] nope, tried that [15:52] any rpm or dpkg installed? [15:52] nope [15:53] I wouldn't have thought so, they have got an embedded comany to do it or done it in house [15:53] they do have a webkit browser ... :D [15:53] knowing Jeff Bezos he just got an intern to follow Linux from Scratch :) [15:53] hahah [15:54] even has tar ... awesome [15:54] Hardware : Amazon.com MX50 YOSHI Board [15:54] Freescale? [15:55] http://paste.kde.org/431918/ [15:56] whoa [15:56] even has fsck in sbin [15:57] heh, 249 megs of RAM :D [16:07] how's this? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PreciseUpgrades/Kubuntu/10.04LTS [16:09] looks good [16:09] Riddell: maybe mention that they might get a harmless crash window [16:09] and in my tests I belive NM was there after upgrade [16:09] but I had both apper and muon-updater telling me that I have updates available [16:12] btw, for precise+1 we'll just have to point users to this: http://i.imgur.com/NYJTp.png [16:13] :D [16:14] JontheEchidna: well not for the beta [16:14] and even that needs pointed to [16:14] presumably you'll keep a systray icon? [16:15] yes, the systray icon is still there [16:15] this just provides a manual way in case the tray icon was dismissed [16:17] JontheEchidna: nice [16:17] JontheEchidna: the issue I had recently was about amarok's mp3 installed claiming to work when it didn't having not done apt-get update after install [16:18] oh, presumably because the apt cache didn't have universe/multiverse sources due to a internet-less install? [16:18] yeah, that's a bit of a tough one [16:19] yes [16:19] well, thankfully that got me looking into the qapt-gstreamer-helper and I found a bunch of other bugs that I could fix :P [16:19] it just needs qapt to recognise that and run a refresh?? [16:19] hmm, recognizing that is a bit difficult [16:20] is it? can't you just check if there are universe lists in /var/lib/apt/lists/ ? [16:21] wouldn't be bullet proof, but at least something [16:23] I may just add a new option to qapt-batch. Something like "--install-and-update" [16:24] I don't think I can just make the qapt-worker check for updates before it installs something, though. It would break the worker's "state machine's" sequence of events [16:25] apps aren't expecting to receive cache update events after running the commit changes command [16:26] Mamarok: anything good in Amarok 2.5 we should include in our beta announcement? [16:32] iPod support got much better, and we have the mp3 store now [16:41] * ScottK wouldn't announce the mp3 store. [16:41] Canonical will want a cut. [16:56] well, they don't support Kubuntu anymore, why would they dare to ask for a cut? [16:56] alos his is already provided by a company, so the can't [16:56] also* [17:03] the annoying thing about the mp3 shop is it has a first run dialogue :( [17:03] Mamarok: got a screenshot? [17:03] Riddell: there are plenty of screenshots on our release page :) [17:04] oh, and better gpodder integration, enhanced dynamic playlists [17:09] Mamarok: They didn't do anything for Banshee either and that didn't stop them. [17:09] well, there is no company behind Banshee AFAIK [17:10] True, but I think a company would just cause them to think they have someone to negotiate with. [17:11] but in the case of Banshee they had to negotiate a contract with Amazon, something they can't do for Amarok :) [17:12] No, Banshee already had an amazon store setup. What Canonical did was divert the referrals to a different provider ID. [17:12] I agree it's a different situation, but I'm not at all confident they wouldn't try. [17:14] how's this? https://wiki.kubuntu.org/PrecisePangolin/Beta1/Kubuntu [17:15] ScottK: Mark also appologised for that and said it shouldn't have happened [17:15] Riddell: about the store you mean? [17:16] Riddell: He apologized about not making it clear up front that Canonical would insist on taking a cut. [17:16] Mamarok: yes [17:16] right... so maybe put a better iPod and gPodder integration and improved dynamic playlists, without talking about the store [17:17] but since Kubuntu is a community effort, what could he do? [17:17] nothing [17:17] Mamarok: what is gPodder? [17:18] ScottK: I didn't follow it closely but I say something where he said it was all the fault of an uninformed manager (poor guy) [17:19] Yes, but it was about how it was communicated, not about the decision to insist on taking a piece of the action. [17:19] mm [17:21] Riddell: gpodder is an online personal podcast archive [17:22] Mamarok: groovy added https://wiki.kubuntu.org/PrecisePangolin/Beta1/Kubuntu#Amarok_2.5 [17:25] Riddell: still a bit doubtful about that shop though [17:25] Mamarok: why? ScottK scared you into thinking canonical will steal it? [17:25] don't we add 4.8.1 to Beta 1? [17:26] Riddell: right, if they want a cut I don't see what pressure they could have [17:26] Mamarok: 4.8.1 isn't released yet. [17:26] true [17:26] but tagged [17:26] Mamarok: they don't and won't [17:26] OK [17:30] yay, yofel finished our last test! [17:30] (except wubi but oh well) [17:30] alternate i386 resize is still running [17:30] that'll be the last one I can test [17:30] yofel: you just ticked it as working? [17:31] Riddell: I ticked it as in progress [17:31] yofel: that's a "passed" tick http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/208/builds/12677/testcases/67/results [17:31] oh i386 [17:31] But I would be surprised if that failed, considering the amd64 one passed [17:31] ok we'll hang in there [17:32] I'll be done in ~20min [17:32] * Riddell holds breath [18:04] Riddell: ship it [18:04] yofel: awooga! thanks for testing [18:04] now we're just waiting on these lazy ubuntu people to finish their side :) [18:32] blah, wiki's being wonky. [18:33] it does that when we want to release, it's just the wiki's way of telling us it needs more hugs [18:33] or pay rise, one or the other [18:43] I vote for wiki hugs [18:46] lol @ kde-devel: http://i43.tinypic.com/30j0gvp.png [18:46] :D [18:57] JontheEchidna: epic! [19:10] lol [19:23] this looking good? http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/precise/beta-1/ [19:24] Riddell: whats the difference between 1 and 3 ? [19:24] jussi: where? [19:25] Riddell: Desktop CD and Install/live DVD [19:25] oh duh [19:26] you know, too many days at MWC makes the brain stupid [19:26] hopefully that can be just "USB/DVD" image for next cycle [19:28] so when are we getting HUD for kubuntu? :D :P [19:30] ask afiestas [19:30] he's already coded it [19:30] Riddell: you'll note there has only been this waiting malarkey since I stop having time to test everything under the sun [19:31] Riddell: really? o.O [19:31] davmor2: waiting on the poor under-resourced ubuntu desktop team you mean? [19:32] hi davmor2 [19:32] davmor2: if they'd only ask for help from the kubuntu community I'm sure we could manage to give them a hand [19:32] * jussi throws mwc stress balls at davmor2 [19:32] jussi: how do [19:33] jussi: I have a novell one that is far more fun to stress out on :) [19:33] davmor2: tired, looking forward to going home [19:33] jussi: that'll be a late night at the office for you then [19:34] Riddell: hrm? [19:34] Riddell: Im in barcelona, sadly [19:36] oh that'll be a late night party on the beach for you then :) [19:36] Riddell: the page reads Beta 1, but point 2 says "Beta 2 Highlights", you might want to change that :) [19:37] Riddell: nah, Im thinking sleep - since I dont really get any at home [19:38] hi, which beta-1 image needs more testing? [19:38] Riddell: ^^ [19:39] dmatt: beta-1 testing is done now [19:41] Riddell: ok, so i test it for myself only [19:44] dmatt: well if you find any bugs we need to fix before beta 2 we're still interested [19:44] same for upgrade testing [19:51] Riddell: is upgrading from system which uses KDE 4.8 ppa valid testing case? [19:51] it is [19:52] dmatt: yes that would be interesting [19:53] dmatt: and can you follow https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PreciseUpgrades/Kubuntu ? [19:53] to test it's readable [19:56] Im off to sleep. goodnight all [19:57] Riddell: It is ok, i would add 1 empty line between text and screenshot to all points like it is in first point [19:58] dmatt: can you edit it? (I'm kindae busy releasing beta 1 for ubuntu) [19:59] and it would be really useful, if there was link at the end to "Not everything went smoothly, what do I do next?" [19:59] i am editing it right now, did not know i have rights [20:03] actually, I was little bit too fast, on third try it logged me to https://help.ubuntu.com/community, but i am not able to navigate to upgrade text [20:08] dmatt: at the bottom right of the upgrade page, there's a "show editing options" button [20:09] it was some browser problem with cache, now it's ok [20:14] finished, but I would really love to add some link to troubleshoot page in case "Not everything went smoothly", if any exists [20:17] I had lot of failed upgrades myself and I never knew, how to a, extract any useful information if it was test b, how I finish upgrade process once it started [20:21] who wants to put a quick beta 1 announce on kubuntu.org? [20:22] pointing to http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/12.04/beta-1/ and the wiki page I made [20:22] https://wiki.kubuntu.org/PrecisePangolin/Beta1/Kubuntu [20:35] http://www.kubuntu.org/news/12.04-lts-beta-1 [20:37] 12.04 LTS Beta 1 https://wiki.kubuntu.org/PrecisePangolin/Beta1/Kubuntu ! [20:37] party! [20:41] new networkmanagement uploaded [20:42] ooh thanks yofel [20:43] rekonq's next [20:45] I was hoping we could sync networkmanagement from Debian [20:46] I merged it [20:46] they don't have some breaks/replaces that we still need, and I changed some other things in control [20:46] see changelog [20:47] we can probably sync for 12.10 [20:49] ah, oh [20:50] yeah, those recommends are bad (pulling in openvpn ...) [20:57] are there any kubuntu images from universe ATM? (I'm about to send out an E-Mail warning people not to break universe images) [20:58] micahg: we're staying main for 12.04 [20:58] yofel: yes, I know :), I was wondering if there were any secondary things (IIRC, mobile was part universe at some point) [20:58] hm, not sure about active [20:59] rbelem: ^ [20:59] Riddell: ^ [21:03] micahg: Active is in Universe AFAIK. [21:03] Riddell: hi can you tell me how can i upgrade 11.10 to 12.04 ? [21:04] soee: http://www.kubuntu.org/news/12.04-lts-beta-1 [21:05] ScottK: if I lump Kubuntu in general in with the other flavors will that be bad or should I single out Kubuntu active? [21:05] Ummmmm. It depends. What are you doing? [21:05] yofel: my xserver doesnt work, can i do it from terminal [21:05] ? [21:06] soee: just run 'sudo do-release-upgrade -d' for a terminal upgrade [21:06] ScottK: sending out an e-mail to not break flavor images by uploading random stuff to universe :) [21:06] yofel: this doesnt worl [21:06] *work [21:06] soee: what happens? [21:06] i have only message that new version wasnt found [21:06] did you use -d ? [21:07] yes [21:07] @_@ [21:08] first message that checking new release availability [21:08] second that new release wasnt found [21:08] wait, I'm fetching my upgrade test oneiric VM image [21:14] soee: ok, idiocy check: update-manager-core installed? all updates installed? internet connection working? [21:14] yofel: yes [21:14] then, can you pastebin what it exaclty says? [21:15] yofel: its in polish language [21:15] run: sudo -E LANG=C do-release-upgrade -d [21:16] works fine here [21:16] Checking for a new Ubuntu release [21:16] No new release found [21:16] -.- [21:16] micahg: active will be universe but isn't part of beta 1 [21:17] ok lets try to fix xserver than firsrt [21:17] cant say why it stop working [21:17] Riddell: thanks [21:18] soee: is kubuntu-desktop installed? [21:18] i have change my graphic card but im not sure if this is the problem [21:18] shouldn't unless you were using propietary graphics drivers [21:18] yofel: drivers were from x-swat ppa [21:19] and the card is? [21:19] hmm trying ti install kubuntu-desktop i have few dependency problems (kde-windows-manager, kdm etc) [21:19] yofel g-force 560 [21:20] should be fine, make sure kubuntu-desktop is installed first [21:22] cant reinstall it :/ dependency problems [21:23] apt-get update, then apply whatever apt-get install -f wants to do, then install kubuntu-desktop [21:24] if i do apt-get update and than apt-get upgrad ei have only 2 packages that were stoped: kde-style-oxygen and systemsettings [21:25] soee: Do sudo apt-get -f install [21:25] ScottK: iv tried nothign to do [21:25] do sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop and then try it again. [21:27] ScottK: wont work - as i said 9 dependency problems [21:27] Even with apt-get -f install? [21:27] You probably have to remove your PPA packages. [21:28] ScottK: yes even [21:28] What's the exact error (pastebin please)? [21:29] hard to pastebin when im on laptop and trying to fix desktop [21:29] use pastebinit [21:29] Riddell: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/PrecisePangolin/Beta1/Kubuntu typo "Beta 2 Highlights" [21:29] if it's installed... [21:30] i can install it [21:33] ok how can i send something using pastebinit ? [21:33] soee: | pastebinit [21:35] yofel: apt-get install kubunut-desktop result [21:35] http://paste.ubuntu.com/864176/ [21:35] soee: what version does apt-cache policy kde-workspace-bin give you? [21:37] hmm [21:37] http://paste.ubuntu.com/864181/ [21:37] 4:4.8.0b-11.10ubuntu1~gnumdk25 is certainly not from us, and you don't have the backports ppa enabled, but only beta? [21:42] https://launchpad.net/~gnumdk/+archive/ppa [21:43] soee: Here's the problem. The precise version of kde-workspace is 4:4.8.0b-0ubuntu5. The one in that PPA is 4:4.8.0b-11.10ubuntu1~gnumdk25. The PPA version has a higher number, so you've still got that installed. [21:44] Due to the way that PPA owner did their versioning, you're going to have to remove the PPA packages from that PPA (ppa-purge works well) before you can finish the upgrade. [21:44] ScottK: actually he doesn't have kde-workspace-bin installed (which is why he can't login) - and the PPA deps seems wrong [21:44] also, he only seems to have the beta ppa enabled, not backports [21:45] And it depends on the kubuntu-backports PPA. [21:45] Here's who he should be asking for support: https://launchpad.net/~gnumdk [21:46] so what ppa should i remove ? [21:46] (ppa-purge) [21:46] soee: ppa:gnumdk/ppa, after that: add-apt-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports [21:48] ok work in progress [21:51] ok, got lot of packages to update now [21:56] kde 4.8.1 was released already ? [21:57] No [22:00] yofel, ScottK thank you === yofel changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu: Friendly Computing | Thanks everyone for getting Beta1 tested! | Precise: Feature Freeze, time to squish beasties | http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-precise/group/topic-precise-flavor-kubuntu.html TODOs! | Kubuntu is alive and weller than before!! Read:http://wp.me/pQ8xr-gr | Jussi's new baby's name is Elodi! :) [22:00] system works fine now :D [22:00] soee: There's a reason to only use the stuff that Kubuntu devs do. [22:02] whats the package name to isnstall desktop widgets ? (iconstasks) [22:02] soee: should be there by default [22:02] (plasma-widgets-addons I believe) [22:04] yofel: yes this one was missing [22:11] did you tested 12.04 beta1 already? [22:13] testing is done and beta1 is out, I personally have been running precise for quite a while already [22:14] :< cant start upgrade again crap :) [22:14] one moment [22:15] exit === k1ck-soee is now known as soee [22:15] back [22:15] still doesn't work? o.O [22:16] yofel, http://pastebin.com/pLGc646q [22:17] uh... great, stupid update manager [22:18] Should be -d, but you still shouldn't get a crash [22:18] soee: run: sudo service apport start force_start=1, and file crash report apport should create [22:18] it'll be in /var/crash [22:19] after that run: sudo -E LANG=C kubuntu-devel-release-upgrade -d [22:20] yofel: Where's that come from? In update-manager it's update-manager-kde [22:21] yofel, http://pastebin.com/cUikdrYf [22:21] kubuntu-deve-release-upgrade is part of update-manager-kde which is from update-manager [22:21] great, stupid sudo [22:22] soee: LANG=C kubuntu-devel-release-upgrade -d [22:22] without sudo [22:23] haha :) Checking for a new ubuntu release [22:23] No new release found [22:23] beta1 doesnt like me for sure [22:23] soee: what does lsb_release -r say for you? [22:24] soee@soee-desktop:~$ lsb_release -r [22:24] Release: 11.10 [22:24] * yofel is running out of ideas [22:27] duting apt-get update [22:27] Błąd http://ppa.launchpad.net oneiric/main Sources [22:27] 404 Not Found [22:27] Błąd http://ppa.launchpad.net oneiric/main amd64 Packages [22:27] 404 Not Found [22:27] Błąd http://ppa.launchpad.net oneiric/main i386 Packages [22:27] 404 Not Found [22:27] Błąd = Error [22:27] are you sure your connection is ok? [22:27] yes :) [22:28] im on my machine now [22:28] im talking with you :D [22:28] soee: can you ping ppa.launchpad.net ? [22:28] works fine [22:29] * yofel is out of ideas [22:29] sorry -.- [22:30] are there oneiric packages published in those PPAs? [22:32] anyone got a copy of darkwing's announcement? [22:39] ok that 404 was related to one ppa, i fixed that [22:39] but still: No new release found [22:39] :/ [22:39] no idea why [22:41] how's this? http://www.kubuntu.org/news/12.04-lts-announce [22:49] Darkwing: ^^ [22:54] sounds right :) [22:55] * yofel is off to bed - good night [23:02] yofel, are you here maybe >? [23:05] Riddell, got a moment ? [23:06] hi soee [23:07] listen i cant update to 12.04 using kde related methods [23:07] so i did this: /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades and set Prompt=normal; [23:07] now with sudo do-release-upgrade -d [23:08] system wants to download updates but it is ~ 1700mb is it normal ? [23:08] upgrade instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PreciseUpgrades/Kubuntu [23:09] Riddell, this one wont work [23:09] it's normal that it wants to download whatever it needs [23:09] Riddell, using described method system cant find any new release [23:26] http://www.kubuntu.org/ updated, not wonderfully pretty but it's all I have the energy for tonight [23:32] and my blog http://blogs.kde.org/node/4542 [23:32] I think that's me for the night [23:32] * Riddell starts injecting himself with neat Irn Bru [23:33] "rekonq 0.9 stable!" <-- for the packaging! [23:33] Riddell, i'm working to finish the active black screen [23:33] * Riddell is really happy with rekonq at the moment [23:33]