[03:03] <apachelogger> another night without sleep :(
[03:13] <ScottK> Sleep is for the weak.
[03:20] <apachelogger> turns out no sleep makes you weak
[03:20] <apachelogger> very confusing
[03:25] <apachelogger> again no jon
[03:25] <apachelogger> meh
[03:39]  * ScottK thinks claydoh moved just so he wouldn't be closest to Jon the Taco and have to go beat on his door.
[03:50] <apachelogger> we can hire someone to do that though
[04:09] <ScottK> claydoh: You didn't by chance have release notes for the beta put together would you?
[04:10]  * ScottK doesn't know if anyone asked.
[04:11] <apachelogger> ScottK: also ask that guy who wanted to help with release notes last cycle around
[04:11]  * ScottK doesn't remember who that was.
[04:14] <apachelogger> me neither
[04:14] <apachelogger> :S
[04:14] <apachelogger> ScottK: http://apachelog.wordpress.com/2012/02/07/how-kubuntu-did-not-change/#comment-1582
[04:15] <apachelogger> https://launchpad.net/~lunarcloud
[04:15] <apachelogger> if that is the same person
[04:25] <ScottK> Looks like.  Would you email him?
[11:41] <Mamarok> apparently something cause a regression in the update 2 days ago of kde-window-manager-common in Precise
[11:42] <Mamarok> I now have single click adding tracks to the playlist in Amarok
[11:42] <Mamarok> how is this even possible? Isn't that just a build update?
[11:55] <Riddell> single click on what?  that doesn't sound like anything to do with kwin
[11:59] <Mamarok> single click on a track
[11:59] <Riddell> rbelem: you'll need to check the startactive actually works as a login session before I can upload it
[11:59] <Mamarok> and nothing was changed in Amarok
[11:59] <Riddell> Mamarok: that's a global setting somewhere for KDE, maybe related to the widget theme
[12:00] <Mamarok> I know, but normally a single click in Amarok just selects the track, it doesn't add it to the playlist
[12:01] <Mamarok> that is very weird, it started today and the only thing I changed was an update in Precise
[12:19] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: I believe there's a discussion ongoing on ubuntu-devel about touchpads
[12:20] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2012-February/034852.html
[12:24] <Riddell> it takes a double click on a Local Collection track on the left to put it in the playlist on the right for my Amarok
[12:29] <ScottK> Mamarok: The kde-workspace update from two days ago was just a packaging change. It didn't change any upstream code, so thtat's not it.
[13:09] <Mamarok> ScottK: that is what I guessed
[13:10] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: how is that related to my question?
[13:13] <shadeslayer> brrr ... I got over excited and read the question wrong -.-
[13:48] <Riddell> agateau: did you e-mail the kde-telepathy team about message indicator?
[13:56] <agateau> Riddell: no, I am having so much fun hacking gnome-control-center I can't stop
[13:56]  * agateau is grumpy
[14:09] <Riddell> agateau: porting it to Qt I hope
[14:12] <Riddell> !testers
[14:12] <Riddell> some more needed for beta 1 http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/208/builds
[14:22] <Riddell> claydoh: beta release today.  I guess you're not available for last minute release page?
[14:23] <Riddell> sorry I should have started pinging about that days ago
[14:23] <Riddell> how's this? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/TechnicalOverview#Kubuntu
[14:41] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[14:50] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://clang.debian.net/ < Seen that?
[14:59] <Riddell> shadeslayer: nope, should we care?
[15:00] <Quintasan> I don't think so
[15:00] <Riddell> ooh hi Quintasan 
[15:00] <yofel_> Riddell: I'll do the remaining DVD amd64 test, and the auto-resize ones for the alternate images. Can't do the others
[15:00] <Quintasan> \o
[15:00] <Riddell> nobody seen Darkwing I take it?
[15:00] <yofel_> hey Quintasan
[15:02] <Quintasan> yeah, hi yofel
[15:04] <Quintasan> Curses, I was hoping to do something but I have to go
[15:04] <Quintasan> Bloody hell.
[15:04] <yofel> shadeslayer: interesting one
[15:04] <yofel> shadeslayer: exams over?
[15:08] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: I can't seem to reproduce your changelog issue with xfprint4
[15:11] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: At a glance, I'd say that KIO fscked up a bit and didn't return in an error state when it encountered the 404
[15:25] <shadeslayer> Riddell: not right now, but maybe in the (near) future
[15:25] <shadeslayer> yofel: yep
[15:27] <shadeslayer> Oh btw, I recieved my kindle today and surprise surprise, I can ssh into it
[15:35] <Riddell> shadeslayer: crazy, what's it running?
[15:35] <shadeslayer> Linux
[15:35] <shadeslayer> 2.26 I think
[15:36] <shadeslayer> ah no, 2.6.26
[15:37] <Riddell> yeah but any recognisable distro?
[15:37] <shadeslayer> oh
[15:37] <shadeslayer> lemme see
[15:37] <Riddell> can you apt-get install kubuntu-desktop? :)
[15:37] <shadeslayer> hah, not enough space probably :P
[15:38] <shadeslayer> there's just 1.25 GB's there
[15:41] <Riddell> dudes how's this?  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PreciseUpgrades/Kubuntu
[15:47] <shadeslayer> Riddell: [root@[192_168_15_244] root]# uname -a
[15:47] <shadeslayer> Linux [192_168_15_244] 2.6.31-rt11-lab126 #1 Fri Sep 2 19:00:58 PDT 2011 armv7l GNU/Linux
[15:47] <shadeslayer> ugh
[15:47] <shadeslayer> stupid NM tries to tether to the kindle -.0
[15:47] <shadeslayer> just because I'm ssh'ing over usb
[15:48] <Riddell> armv7, you could run ubuntu on it :)
[15:49] <shadeslayer> lol
[15:50] <shadeslayer> but what's the use, it has a grayscale screen :P
[15:50] <Riddell> maybe KDE still has a monochrome theme
[15:50] <shadeslayer> http://paste.kde.org/431912/
[15:51]  * shadeslayer tries dmesg
[15:52] <Riddell> shadeslayer: any /etc/lsb-release ?
[15:52] <shadeslayer> nope, tried that
[15:52] <Riddell> any rpm or dpkg installed?
[15:52] <shadeslayer> nope
[15:53] <Riddell> I wouldn't have thought so, they have got an embedded comany to do it or done it in house
[15:53] <shadeslayer> they do have a webkit browser ... :D
[15:53] <Riddell> knowing Jeff Bezos he just got an intern to follow Linux from Scratch :)
[15:53] <shadeslayer> hahah 
[15:54] <shadeslayer> even has tar ... awesome
[15:54] <shadeslayer> Hardware        : Amazon.com MX50 YOSHI Board
[15:54] <shadeslayer> Freescale?
[15:55] <shadeslayer> http://paste.kde.org/431918/
[15:56] <shadeslayer> whoa
[15:56] <shadeslayer> even has fsck in sbin
[15:57] <shadeslayer> heh, 249 megs of RAM :D
[16:07] <Riddell> how's this? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PreciseUpgrades/Kubuntu/10.04LTS
[16:09] <JontheEchidna> looks good
[16:09] <yofel> Riddell: maybe mention that they might get a harmless crash window
[16:09] <yofel> and in my tests I belive NM was there after upgrade
[16:09] <yofel> but I had both apper and muon-updater telling me that I have updates available
[16:12] <JontheEchidna> btw, for precise+1 we'll just have to point users to this: http://i.imgur.com/NYJTp.png
[16:13] <yofel> :D
[16:14] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: well not for the beta
[16:14] <Riddell> and even that needs pointed to
[16:14] <Riddell> presumably you'll keep a systray icon?
[16:15] <JontheEchidna> yes, the systray icon is still there
[16:15] <JontheEchidna> this just provides a manual way in case the tray icon was dismissed
[16:17] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: nice
[16:17] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: the issue I had recently was about amarok's mp3 installed claiming to work when it didn't having not done apt-get update after install
[16:18] <JontheEchidna> oh, presumably because the apt cache didn't have universe/multiverse sources due to a internet-less install?
[16:18] <JontheEchidna> yeah, that's a bit of a tough one
[16:19] <Riddell> yes
[16:19] <JontheEchidna> well, thankfully that got me looking into the qapt-gstreamer-helper and I found a bunch of other bugs that I could fix :P
[16:19] <Riddell> it just needs qapt to recognise that and run a refresh??
[16:19] <JontheEchidna> hmm, recognizing that is a bit difficult
[16:20] <yofel> is it? can't you just check if there are universe lists in /var/lib/apt/lists/ ?
[16:21] <yofel> wouldn't be bullet proof, but at least  something
[16:23] <JontheEchidna> I may just add a new option to qapt-batch. Something like "--install-and-update"
[16:24] <JontheEchidna> I don't think I can just make the qapt-worker check for updates before it installs something, though. It would break the worker's "state machine's" sequence of events
[16:25] <JontheEchidna> apps aren't expecting to receive cache update events after running the commit changes command
[16:26] <Riddell> Mamarok: anything good in Amarok 2.5 we should include in our beta announcement?
[16:32] <Mamarok> iPod support got much better, and we have the mp3 store now
[16:41]  * ScottK wouldn't announce the mp3 store.
[16:41] <ScottK> Canonical will want a cut.
[16:56] <Mamarok> well, they don't support Kubuntu anymore, why would they dare to ask for a cut?
[16:56] <Mamarok> alos his is already provided by a company, so the can't
[16:56] <Mamarok> also*
[17:03] <Riddell> the annoying thing about the mp3 shop is it has a first run dialogue :(
[17:03] <Riddell> Mamarok: got a screenshot?
[17:03] <Mamarok> Riddell: there are plenty of screenshots on our release page :)
[17:04] <Mamarok> oh, and better gpodder integration, enhanced dynamic playlists
[17:09] <ScottK> Mamarok: They didn't do anything for Banshee either and that didn't stop them.
[17:09] <Mamarok> well, there is no company behind Banshee AFAIK
[17:10] <ScottK> True, but I think a company would just cause them to think they have someone to negotiate with.
[17:11] <Mamarok> but in the case of Banshee they had to negotiate a contract with Amazon, something they can't do for Amarok :)
[17:12] <ScottK> No, Banshee already had an amazon store setup.  What Canonical did was divert the referrals to a different provider ID.
[17:12] <ScottK> I agree it's a different situation, but I'm not at all confident they wouldn't try.
[17:14] <Riddell> how's this? https://wiki.kubuntu.org/PrecisePangolin/Beta1/Kubuntu
[17:15] <Riddell> ScottK: Mark also appologised for that and said it shouldn't have happened
[17:15] <Mamarok> Riddell: about the store you mean?
[17:16] <ScottK> Riddell: He apologized about not making it clear up front that Canonical would insist on taking a cut.
[17:16] <Riddell> Mamarok: yes
[17:16] <Mamarok> right... so maybe put a better iPod and gPodder integration and improved dynamic playlists, without talking about the store
[17:17] <Mamarok> but since Kubuntu is a community effort, what could he do?
[17:17] <Riddell> nothing
[17:17] <Riddell> Mamarok: what is gPodder?
[17:18] <Riddell> ScottK: I didn't follow it closely but I say something where he said it was all the fault of an uninformed manager (poor guy)
[17:19] <ScottK> Yes, but it was about how it was communicated, not about the decision to insist on taking a piece of the action.
[17:19] <Riddell> mm
[17:21] <Mamarok> Riddell: gpodder is an online personal podcast archive
[17:22] <Riddell> Mamarok: groovy added https://wiki.kubuntu.org/PrecisePangolin/Beta1/Kubuntu#Amarok_2.5
[17:25] <Mamarok> Riddell: still a bit doubtful about that shop though
[17:25] <Riddell> Mamarok: why?  ScottK scared you into thinking canonical will steal it?
[17:25] <Mamarok> don't we add 4.8.1 to Beta 1?
[17:26] <Mamarok> Riddell: right, if they want a cut I don't see what pressure they could have
[17:26] <ScottK> Mamarok: 4.8.1 isn't released yet.
[17:26] <Mamarok> true
[17:26] <Mamarok> but tagged
[17:26] <Riddell> Mamarok: they don't and won't
[17:26] <Mamarok> OK
[17:30] <Riddell> yay, yofel finished our last test!
[17:30] <Riddell> (except wubi but oh well)
[17:30] <yofel> alternate i386 resize is still running
[17:30] <yofel> that'll be the last one I can test
[17:30] <Riddell> yofel: you just ticked it as working?
[17:31] <yofel> Riddell: I ticked it as in progress
[17:31] <Riddell> yofel: that's a "passed" tick http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/208/builds/12677/testcases/67/results
[17:31] <Riddell> oh i386
[17:31] <yofel> But I would be surprised if that failed, considering the amd64 one passed 
[17:31] <Riddell> ok we'll hang in there
[17:32] <yofel> I'll be done in ~20min
[17:32]  * Riddell holds breath
[18:04] <yofel> Riddell: ship it
[18:04] <Riddell> yofel: awooga!  thanks for testing
[18:04] <Riddell> now we're just waiting on these lazy ubuntu people to finish their side :)
[18:32] <JontheEchidna> blah, wiki's being wonky.
[18:33] <Riddell> it does that when we want to release, it's just the wiki's way of telling us it needs more hugs
[18:33] <Riddell> or pay rise, one or the other
[18:43] <jussi> I vote for wiki hugs
[18:46] <JontheEchidna> lol @ kde-devel: http://i43.tinypic.com/30j0gvp.png
[18:46] <ulysses> :D
[18:57] <jussi> JontheEchidna: epic! 
[19:10] <yofel> lol
[19:23] <Riddell> this looking good? http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/precise/beta-1/
[19:24] <jussi> Riddell: whats the difference between 1 and 3 ?
[19:24] <Riddell> jussi: where?
[19:25] <jussi> Riddell: Desktop CD and Install/live DVD
[19:25] <jussi> oh duh
[19:26] <jussi> you know, too many days at MWC makes the brain stupid
[19:26] <Riddell> hopefully that can be just "USB/DVD" image for next cycle
[19:28] <jussi> so when are we getting HUD for kubuntu? :D :P
[19:30] <Riddell> ask afiestas
[19:30] <Riddell> he's already coded it
[19:30] <davmor2> Riddell: you'll note there has only been this waiting malarkey since I stop having time to test everything under the sun
[19:31] <jussi> Riddell: really? o.O
[19:31] <Riddell> davmor2: waiting on the poor under-resourced ubuntu desktop team you mean?
[19:32] <jussi> hi davmor2
[19:32] <Riddell> davmor2: if they'd only ask for help from the kubuntu community I'm sure we could manage to give them a hand
[19:32]  * jussi throws mwc stress balls at davmor2
[19:32] <davmor2> jussi: how do
[19:33] <davmor2> jussi: I have a novell one that is far more fun to stress out on :)
[19:33] <jussi> davmor2: tired, looking forward to going home
[19:33] <Riddell> jussi: that'll be a late night at the office for you then
[19:34] <jussi> Riddell: hrm? 
[19:34] <jussi> Riddell: Im in barcelona, sadly
[19:36] <Riddell> oh that'll be a late night party on the beach for you then :)
[19:36] <Mamarok> Riddell: the page reads Beta 1, but point 2 says "Beta 2 Highlights", you might want to change that :)
[19:37] <jussi> Riddell: nah, Im thinking sleep - since I dont really get any at home
[19:38] <dmatt> hi, which beta-1 image needs more testing?
[19:38] <jussi> Riddell: ^^
[19:39] <Riddell> dmatt: beta-1 testing is done now
[19:41] <dmatt> Riddell: ok, so i test it for myself only
[19:44] <Riddell> dmatt: well if you find any bugs we need to fix before beta 2 we're still interested
[19:44] <Riddell> same for upgrade testing
[19:51] <dmatt> Riddell: is upgrading from system which uses KDE 4.8 ppa valid testing case?
[19:51] <yofel> it is
[19:52] <Riddell> dmatt: yes that would be interesting
[19:53] <Riddell> dmatt: and can you follow https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PreciseUpgrades/Kubuntu ?
[19:53] <Riddell> to test it's readable
[19:56] <jussi> Im off to sleep. goodnight all
[19:57] <dmatt> Riddell: It is ok, i would add 1 empty line between text and screenshot to all points like it is in first point
[19:58] <Riddell> dmatt: can you edit it?  (I'm kindae busy releasing beta 1 for ubuntu)
[19:59] <dmatt> and it would be really useful, if there was link at the end to "Not everything went smoothly, what do I do next?" 
[19:59] <dmatt> i am editing it right now, did not know i have rights
[20:03] <dmatt> actually, I was little bit too fast, on third try it logged me to https://help.ubuntu.com/community, but i am not able to navigate to upgrade text
[20:08] <yofel> dmatt: at the bottom right of the upgrade page, there's a "show editing options" button
[20:09] <dmatt> it was some browser problem with cache, now it's ok
[20:14] <dmatt> finished, but I would really love to add some link to troubleshoot page in case "Not everything went smoothly", if any exists
[20:17] <dmatt> I had lot of failed upgrades myself and I never knew, how to a, extract any useful information if it was test b, how I finish upgrade process once it started
[20:21] <Riddell> who wants to put a quick beta 1 announce on kubuntu.org?
[20:22] <Riddell> pointing to http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/12.04/beta-1/ and the wiki page I made
[20:22] <Riddell> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/PrecisePangolin/Beta1/Kubuntu
[20:35] <Riddell> http://www.kubuntu.org/news/12.04-lts-beta-1
[20:37] <Riddell> 12.04 LTS Beta 1 https://wiki.kubuntu.org/PrecisePangolin/Beta1/Kubuntu !
[20:37] <Riddell> party!
[20:41] <yofel> new networkmanagement uploaded
[20:42] <Riddell> ooh thanks yofel 
[20:43] <yofel> rekonq's next
[20:45] <debfx> I was hoping we could sync networkmanagement from Debian
[20:46] <yofel> I merged it
[20:46] <yofel> they don't have some breaks/replaces that we still need, and I changed some other things in control
[20:46] <yofel> see changelog
[20:47] <yofel> we can probably sync for 12.10
[20:49] <debfx> ah, oh
[20:50] <debfx> yeah, those recommends are bad (pulling in openvpn ...)
[20:57] <micahg> are there any kubuntu images from universe ATM? (I'm about to send out an E-Mail warning people not to break universe images)
[20:58] <yofel> micahg: we're staying main for 12.04
[20:58] <micahg> yofel: yes, I know :), I was wondering if there were any secondary things (IIRC, mobile was part universe at some point)
[20:58] <yofel> hm, not sure about active
[20:59] <yofel> rbelem: ^
[20:59] <yofel> Riddell: ^
[21:03] <ScottK> micahg: Active is in Universe AFAIK.
[21:03] <soee> Riddell: hi can you tell me how can i upgrade 11.10 to 12.04 ?
[21:04] <yofel> soee: http://www.kubuntu.org/news/12.04-lts-beta-1
[21:05] <micahg> ScottK: if I lump Kubuntu in general in with the other flavors will that be bad or should I single out Kubuntu active?
[21:05] <ScottK> Ummmmm.  It depends.  What are you doing?
[21:05] <soee> yofel: my xserver doesnt work, can i do it from terminal 
[21:05] <soee> ?
[21:06] <yofel> soee: just run 'sudo do-release-upgrade -d' for a terminal upgrade
[21:06] <micahg> ScottK: sending out an e-mail to not break flavor images by uploading random stuff to universe :)
[21:06] <soee> yofel: this doesnt worl
[21:06] <soee> *work
[21:06] <yofel> soee: what happens?
[21:06] <soee> i have only  message that new version wasnt found
[21:06] <yofel> did you use -d ?
[21:07] <soee> yes
[21:07] <yofel> @_@
[21:08] <soee> first message that checking new release availability 
[21:08] <soee> second that new release wasnt found
[21:08] <yofel> wait, I'm fetching my upgrade test oneiric VM image
[21:14] <yofel> soee: ok, idiocy check: update-manager-core installed? all updates installed? internet connection working?
[21:14] <soee> yofel: yes
[21:14] <yofel> then, can you pastebin what it exaclty says?
[21:15] <soee> yofel: its in polish language
[21:15] <yofel> run: sudo -E LANG=C do-release-upgrade -d
[21:16] <yofel> works fine here
[21:16] <soee> Checking for a new Ubuntu release
[21:16] <soee> No new release found
[21:16] <yofel> -.-
[21:16] <Riddell> micahg: active will be universe but isn't part of beta 1
[21:17] <soee> ok lets try to fix xserver than firsrt
[21:17] <soee> cant say why it stop working
[21:17] <micahg> Riddell: thanks
[21:18] <yofel> soee: is kubuntu-desktop installed?
[21:18] <soee> i have change my graphic card but im not sure if this is the problem
[21:18] <yofel> shouldn't unless you were using propietary graphics drivers
[21:18] <soee> yofel: drivers were from x-swat ppa
[21:19] <yofel> and the card is?
[21:19] <soee> hmm trying ti install kubuntu-desktop i have few dependency problems (kde-windows-manager, kdm etc)
[21:19] <soee> yofel g-force 560
[21:20] <yofel> should be fine, make sure kubuntu-desktop is installed first
[21:22] <soee> cant reinstall  it :/ dependency problems
[21:23] <yofel> apt-get update, then apply whatever apt-get install -f wants to do, then install kubuntu-desktop
[21:24] <soee> if i do apt-get update and than apt-get upgrad ei have only 2 packages that were stoped: kde-style-oxygen and systemsettings
[21:25] <ScottK> soee: Do sudo apt-get -f install
[21:25] <soee> ScottK: iv tried nothign to do
[21:25] <ScottK> do sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop and then try it again.
[21:27] <soee> ScottK: wont work - as i said 9 dependency problems
[21:27] <ScottK> Even with apt-get -f install?
[21:27] <ScottK> You probably have to remove your PPA packages.
[21:28] <soee> ScottK: yes even
[21:28] <ScottK> What's the exact error (pastebin please)?
[21:29] <soee> hard to pastebin when im on laptop and trying to fix desktop
[21:29] <yofel> use pastebinit
[21:29] <dmatt> Riddell: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/PrecisePangolin/Beta1/Kubuntu typo "Beta 2 Highlights"
[21:29] <yofel> if it's installed...
[21:30] <soee> i can install it
[21:33] <soee> ok how can i send something using pastebinit ?
[21:33] <yofel> soee: <command> | pastebinit
[21:35] <soee> yofel: apt-get install kubunut-desktop result
[21:35] <soee> http://paste.ubuntu.com/864176/
[21:35] <yofel> soee: what version does apt-cache policy kde-workspace-bin give you?
[21:37] <soee> hmm
[21:37] <soee> http://paste.ubuntu.com/864181/
[21:37] <yofel> 4:4.8.0b-11.10ubuntu1~gnumdk25 is certainly not from us, and you don't have the backports ppa enabled, but only beta?
[21:42] <ScottK> https://launchpad.net/~gnumdk/+archive/ppa
[21:43] <ScottK> soee: Here's the problem.  The precise version of kde-workspace is 4:4.8.0b-0ubuntu5.  The one in that PPA is 4:4.8.0b-11.10ubuntu1~gnumdk25.  The PPA version has a higher number, so you've still got that installed.
[21:44] <ScottK> Due to the way that PPA owner did their versioning, you're going to have to remove the PPA packages from that PPA (ppa-purge works well) before you can finish the upgrade.
[21:44] <yofel> ScottK: actually he doesn't have kde-workspace-bin installed (which is why he can't login) - and the PPA deps seems wrong
[21:44] <yofel> also, he only seems to have the beta ppa enabled, not backports
[21:45] <ScottK> And it depends on the kubuntu-backports PPA.
[21:45] <ScottK> Here's who he should be asking for support: https://launchpad.net/~gnumdk
[21:46] <soee> so what ppa should i remove ?
[21:46] <soee> (ppa-purge)
[21:46] <yofel> soee: ppa:gnumdk/ppa, after that: add-apt-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports
[21:48] <soee> ok work in progress
[21:51] <soee> ok, got lot of packages to update now
[21:56] <soee> kde 4.8.1 was released already ?
[21:57] <ScottK> No
[22:00] <soee> yofel, ScottK thank you
[22:00] <soee> system works fine now :D
[22:00] <ScottK> soee: There's a reason to only use the stuff that Kubuntu devs do.
[22:02] <soee> whats the package name to isnstall desktop widgets ? (iconstasks)
[22:02] <yofel> soee: should be there by default
[22:02] <yofel> (plasma-widgets-addons I believe)
[22:04] <soee> yofel: yes this one was missing
[22:11] <soee> did you tested 12.04 beta1 already?
[22:13] <yofel> testing is done and beta1 is out, I personally have been running precise for quite a while already
[22:14] <soee> :< cant start upgrade again crap :)
[22:14] <soee> one moment
[22:15] <soee> exit
[22:15] <soee> back
[22:15] <yofel> still doesn't work? o.O
[22:16] <soee> yofel, http://pastebin.com/pLGc646q
[22:17] <yofel> uh... great, stupid update manager
[22:18] <ScottK> Should be -d, but you still shouldn't get a crash
[22:18] <yofel> soee: run: sudo service apport start force_start=1, and file crash report apport should create
[22:18] <yofel> it'll be in /var/crash
[22:19] <yofel> after that run: sudo -E LANG=C kubuntu-devel-release-upgrade -d
[22:20] <ScottK> yofel: Where's that come from?  In update-manager it's update-manager-kde
[22:21] <soee> yofel, http://pastebin.com/cUikdrYf
[22:21] <yofel> kubuntu-deve-release-upgrade is part of update-manager-kde which is from update-manager
[22:21] <yofel> great, stupid sudo
[22:22] <yofel> soee: LANG=C kubuntu-devel-release-upgrade -d
[22:22] <yofel> without sudo
[22:23] <soee> haha :) Checking for a new ubuntu release
[22:23] <soee> No new release found
[22:23] <soee> beta1 doesnt like me for sure
[22:23] <yofel> soee: what does lsb_release -r say for you?
[22:24] <soee> soee@soee-desktop:~$ lsb_release -r
[22:24] <soee> Release:        11.10
[22:24]  * yofel is running out of ideas
[22:27] <soee> duting apt-get update
[22:27] <soee> Błąd http://ppa.launchpad.net oneiric/main Sources         
[22:27] <soee>   404  Not Found
[22:27] <soee> Błąd http://ppa.launchpad.net oneiric/main amd64 Packages  
[22:27] <soee>   404  Not Found
[22:27] <soee> Błąd http://ppa.launchpad.net oneiric/main i386 Packages   
[22:27] <soee>   404  Not Found
[22:27] <soee> Błąd = Error
[22:27] <yofel> are you sure your connection is ok?
[22:27] <soee> yes :) 
[22:28] <soee> im on my machine now
[22:28] <soee> im talking with you :D
[22:28] <yofel> soee: can you ping ppa.launchpad.net ?
[22:28] <soee> works fine
[22:29]  * yofel is out of ideas
[22:29] <yofel> sorry -.-
[22:30] <micahg> are there oneiric packages published in those PPAs?
[22:32] <Riddell> anyone got a copy of darkwing's announcement?
[22:39] <soee> ok that 404 was related to one ppa, i fixed that
[22:39] <soee> but still: No new release found
[22:39] <soee> :/
[22:39] <soee> no idea why
[22:41] <Riddell> how's this? http://www.kubuntu.org/news/12.04-lts-announce
[22:49] <Riddell> Darkwing: ^^
[22:54] <yofel> sounds right :)
[22:55]  * yofel is off to bed - good night
[23:02] <soee> yofel, are you here maybe >?
[23:05] <soee> Riddell, got a moment ?
[23:06] <Riddell> hi soee 
[23:07] <soee> listen i cant update to 12.04 using kde related methods
[23:07] <soee> so i did this: /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades and set Prompt=normal;
[23:07] <soee> now with sudo do-release-upgrade -d
[23:08] <soee> system wants to download updates but it is ~ 1700mb is it normal ?
[23:08] <Riddell> upgrade instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PreciseUpgrades/Kubuntu
[23:09] <soee> Riddell, this one wont work
[23:09] <Riddell> it's normal that it wants to download whatever it needs
[23:09] <soee> Riddell, using described method system cant find any new release
[23:26] <Riddell> http://www.kubuntu.org/ updated, not wonderfully pretty but it's all I have the energy for tonight
[23:32] <Riddell> and my blog http://blogs.kde.org/node/4542
[23:32] <Riddell> I think that's me for the night
[23:32]  * Riddell starts injecting himself with neat Irn Bru
[23:33] <Riddell> "rekonq 0.9 stable!"  <-- for the packaging!
[23:33] <rbelem> Riddell, i'm working to finish the active black screen
[23:33]  * Riddell is really happy with rekonq at the moment
[23:33] <Riddell> rbelem: oh cool, you testing the login works?
[23:35] <rbelem> Riddell, i setup a virtual machine and made a cmd-line system installation
[23:35] <rbelem> Riddell, currently i'm using start and .xinitrc to get it working
[23:35] <Riddell> lighdm and a file in /usr/share/xsessions to run the startactive script would be the most accurate way to do it
[23:36] <rbelem> Riddell, yup! i tried that but it did not work