=== Spider-Pork_away is now known as Spider-Pork [08:50] GrueMaster: their new kernels *should* be based on the linaro tree (which does branch from ubuntu), whether that is actually true, remains to be seen [11:11] Is there a list of ARM boards which Ubuntu will run on anywhere? [11:12] nvm got it [11:12] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/DeviceSupport === Ursinha-bbl is now known as Ursinha [14:13] guys where I can grab SD images for panda/armhf? [14:16] fetching http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/12.04/alpha-2/precise-preinstalled-server-armhf+omap4.img.gz === doko_ is now known as doko [14:42] hrw, we're at beta1 :) (will release today) [14:42] hrw, better zsync the current daily on top of that old alpha2 image [14:43] ogra_: apt-get dist-upgrade helps [14:43] ogra_: url? [14:44] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-preinstalled === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan === yofel_ is now known as yofel [16:22] I thought the SheevaPlug was arm v6? This says it comes with Ubuntu. http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/12/03/01/0732247/stealthy-pen-test-unit-plugs-directly-into-110-vac-socket-video [16:23] jaunty perhaps ? [16:23] 2.6.32 kernel [16:23] and ? [16:24] Could be Karmic. [16:24] it wouldnt come with any ubuntu kernel anyway [16:24] could be jaunty with a 3.0 kernel :P [16:24] even [16:25] Karmic was arm v6 and 2.6.32 kernel on marvel. Seeing the patch blob we got for their latest system, it looks like their tree encompasses all. [16:26] Or they could have just pulled recent packages and respun. Not too terribly difficult. [16:27] sure, all i'm saying is that the kernel doesnt say a thing about the rootfs [16:28] apparently you can have it in pink though [16:28] if you have pink wallplugs [16:28] Ah, they have an ubuntu-9.04.tar.gz. Jaunty. [16:28] s/plugs/sockets/ [18:05] janimo`: Didn't you have ghc building on armhf earlier? [18:27] hey alls, does anyone know a streamlined way to convert a working pandaboard ubuntu install on SDcard to read-only? unionfs/aufs/similar? [18:28] mount -o remount,ro / [18:28] ? [18:28] pbuckley thanks but i believe i need to be able to write to config dirs e.g. to start X [18:28] well you should give us a full description of what you want in order for us to give you a useful answer [18:29] pbuckley fair enough [18:30] i have a working system that boots to X and launches a non-interactive opengl-es app. i want it to mount the root filesystem read-only so i can simply hit the power off and not risk corrupting the filesystem. the goal is maintenance free reliability in a remote location. [18:31] ah.. are these devices going to have network access in the remote locations? [18:31] no [18:31] well.. you can do that with partitions on the sd card [18:32] like mount /var tmpfs or something [18:32] put /home somewhere [18:32] then do the mount -o ro / [18:32] ok thanks [18:33] (youll get a nice little performance boost dropping your locks/run/logs into ram [18:33] you just need to make sure that you have logrotate or smething to keep the log file sizes limited === int_ua is now known as TemporaryTest [18:34] also turn off swap if can.. if that starts hitting the sd card the user experience will be crap === TemporaryTest is now known as int_ua [18:34] so to be clear: [18:35] i should add one or more partitions to the sdcard, and point my ubuntu at a different partition for /var .. [18:35] presumably i can leave home on root since nothing will be written there [18:35] x writes out some temp files to the users home dir [18:35] also make sure /tmp ends up being writtable [18:36] right right ok [18:36] so /var, /home and /tmp need to be writable [18:36] yeh [18:36] ok thanks [18:36] np [18:37] pbuckley: Thanks for that. I was distracted with post-beta 1 cleanup. [18:37] btw: PandaES now has audio support in the Beta 1 image. [18:37] \o/ [18:38] so two new weird things [18:39] i was doing a network stress test on my dev board.. after about 20 hours it started dropping consistently about 9% of the packets that went away after a reboot [18:39] trying to reproduce it now [18:39] and i just spaced on the other thing :( [18:40] maybe it was just that my dev board actually made it more then 3 hours [18:40] heh [18:41] Interesting. I'll look into an automated network stress test here. Would be good to have. [18:41] * GrueMaster is always looking for more automated tests. [18:42] anyone know what time the 12.04 beta comes out exactly? Are arm images being released as well? [18:42] thats a GrueMaster question [18:44] ATP: Anny minute now. If you absolutely want it now, go to http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-preinstalled/20120301.1/ for desktop, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-server/daily-preinstalled/20120228.1/ for server. [18:45] GrueMaster, you know which is image is best for beagleboard? [18:45] armhf or omap? [18:45] They should all be armhf, but omap is the beablebard image. [18:46] The armel images are just residue that hasn't been scraped out yet. [18:46] ok so I guess I can wait for the official release of the beta [18:46] where should I watch for the announcement ? is distrowatch.com fast enough? :P [18:47] atp, the links I gave you will be the official images. They are being copied to http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/precise/beta-1 now and should be visible shortly. [18:47] ... if i just go ahead and make ext2 partitions for /var and /home, is there not a risk of corruption? how do i hook unionfs/aufs into this process? is that desirable in my case? [18:47] Not sure on the release announcement. Maybe just ubuntu.com? [18:48] GrueMaster, ok thank you I download these then [18:50] ... and if i just go `mount` it looks like var/run and var/lock are already mounted as tmpfs, tho they are not in fstab . where are these coming from? [18:54] GrueMaster, I touched ghc only briefly a year ago. No armhf poking from me [18:54] damian0815: I think those are mounted in upstart. [18:54] janimo`: Ok. [18:55] k thx. /me googles upstart . just when you think you know enough about Linux there's always something else.. [18:56] Yea, progress can be a funny thing. Next thing you know, we'll have cell phone cluster computing. Oh, wait... I already did that. http://gruemaster.blogspot.com/2011/09/i-survived-sort-of.html [18:57] nice! [18:58] heh [18:59] I did that with 6 pandas. Now I have 8. Muahaha! [19:03] GrueMaster do you have any issues with temperature control? [19:05] No, my office is nice and cool at 68F (20C). [19:06] so they're not enclosed i'm guessing.. [19:06] All my systems are open air. Even my Core2Duo test system. [19:07] I had a small heat sink on my PandaES, but it hasn't felt warm since 12.04 Alpha 1. [19:07] No heat sinks on other arm systems. [19:09] here is what one of my panda towers looks like. http://members.dsl-only.net/~tdavis/Panda-rack.jpg [19:19] so this guy is trying to achieve a similar thing (read-write sandbox on top of read-only known good base), the second post is a script that is supposed to mount / readonly then make a union with an rw tmpfs using aufs: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=5422268 [19:19] only thing is it's from 2006. look like it would still work? [19:19] (i'm running ubuntu 10.10) [19:28] First, dare I ask why 10.10? [19:31] heh [19:31] only way it seems i can do opengl-es at 1920x1080 with working hardware acceleration [19:31] (3 weeks of pain in that sentence) [19:39] Hrm. I thought we had support in 11.10 (a little late, but there). [19:40] i didn't try 11.10 [19:40] once i got it working.. no more upgradey [19:41] Ah. Well just understand that 10.10 was an initial release for panda, and it will be going away after April (18 month support). [19:49] hi all, small question I am asking around [19:49] trying to install eclipse on linaro omap4 images [19:49] pandaboard [19:49] it fails with the following messages [19:49] http://pastebin.pandaboard.org/index.php/view/95457828 [19:51] any ideas ? [19:51] * GrueMaster is checking [19:52] dipper: Well, it works fine on my ubuntu precise images, but I don't test Linaro. [19:53] They may have broken dependencies in ppa's or something. [19:53] is there a workaround ? [19:53] not through apt-get [19:54] GrueMaster: where can I get desktop images for pandaboard ? [19:54] Like I said, I don't know. I did "apt-get update && apt-get install eclipse, and it gave me a ton of packages. [19:54] i see [19:54] I was advised linaro for pandaboard [19:54] I am open to switch to something else [19:54] if there is anything [19:55] We are just releasing beta 1 soon. Check http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/12.04/. It should show up soon. [20:19] ok looks like i have a working ro / [20:19] thanks for the help everyone [20:21] hey yall. What is the best sd or mmc-card for a pandaboard? [20:37] j_ack: Something Class 10 and 4G or better. [20:38] GrueMaster, thank you === GrueMaster changed the topic of #ubuntu-arm to: Ubuntu ARMv7 Discussion & Development | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM | Submit a Bug? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug | Get Precise beta 1 while it's hot! http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/precise/beta-1/ Includes armhf images! | Logs at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ [22:00] I have a question about jasper-initramfs. Anyone familiar with it present? [22:01] int_ua: What's up? [22:02] GrueMaster: Why is jasper-initramfs is built only for i386? [22:02] It is a shell script. It should be arch-all. [22:03] It never run on my N900, but I don't remember if it boots at all with standard preinstalled image, I'm using a script to configure it [22:03] huh? [22:03] GrueMaster: the package is _all [22:03] It is used in our preinstalled images. [22:03] GrueMaster: But it's not in the repos [22:03] yeh i know.. just having trouble parsing what he's saying [22:04] It's main purpose is to grow the rootfs on the sd card and other first-boot initialization. [22:04] And it is in the repos. [22:04] GrueMaster: but it's not present in the recent Precise OMAP3 image, is it? [22:05] GrueMaster: strange, I can't see it [22:05] yes, otherwise the image wouldn't boot. [22:05] It is in the initrd. Once it runs, it rebuilds the initrd and removes itsself. [22:06] Well, wouldn't boot properly. [22:07] GrueMaster: I'm puzzled. You mean it will never boot completely. It must boot into initramfs. Or it's not booting? [22:08] If it doesn't run, the root filesystem won't have enough room to do anything. [22:08] And it is jasper in the repo. [22:08] jasper-initramfs is the source repo. [22:09] GrueMaster: Ok, got it. Another question: what should I do if the image doesn't boot at all? My hardware is Nokia N900. [22:09] (when it was developed, the creator didn't know about the jasper jpeg libraries). [22:10] We don't support that system directly. But if you have a kernel and bootloaders, you theoretically can make it work by dropping them in the boot partition. [22:11] rbelem has experience with this system if he's around. [22:12] also rsalveti. [22:13] I think we used to have a wiki page with instructions on how to use ubuntu on n900 at wiki.ubuntu.com [22:13] but in theory it should work fine [22:13] just need to grab a valid kernel, and have the rootfs available at an external sd card [22:14] rsalveti: Same kernel & bootloader as omap? [22:14] Thanks :) I think I've talked with them on #kubuntu-mobile last year. The problem is that the only kernel that boots is 2.6.35 compiled by apachelogger et al (AFAIK) and it doesn't boot any other kernel. [22:14] (beagle I should say). [22:14] for that I don't know, n900 is usually broken upstream [22:14] I remember the best kernel we had available was from the mer project [22:14] ah. [22:16] rsalveti: is it possible to watch kernel log from USB on N900? [22:17] int_ua: just once you booted it completely, if you want to have the logs guess the best way would have it displayed at the n900 screen [22:18] and when kernels refuse to boot silently?... [22:19] then just serial to help you knowing what is happening [22:44] rsalveti, GrueMaster: How do you think, should I add a link to my script ( https://code.launchpad.net/~xintx-ua/ubuntu-n900/ubuntu-n900-installer ) to wiki? [22:49] int_ua: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/OMAP Will this work? [22:51] (under Community Development) [22:52] No, I'm talking about https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/n900 [22:53] it's not about OMAP, it is specifically for N900 [22:53] Oh. Forgot that still exited. [22:54] GrueMaster: can you please rephrase, I didn't get it? :) [22:54] I forgot that wiki page was there. It isn't linked in wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM [22:55] And the Kubuntu-mobile project is no longer maintained afaik. I think they merged into kubuntu-active. [22:56] But there is not kubuntu-active for arm, is it? Is it temporary? [22:56] s/not/no/ [22:56] It is still in its infancy. This (Beta 1) was the first release and only i386. [22:59] Not sure if/when images for it will be built on arm. Packages are there. [23:04] leaving now. Thanks for your help, GrueMaster and rsalveti :) === pizthewiz_ is now known as pizthewiz