[00:02] bumpy beta! [00:04] desrt, problems? [00:05] my unity experience is not a happy one :) [00:13] * desrt wants a beta gnome-shell to match his beta unity [00:13] keep things more interesting :) [00:15] desrt, what happened with that? Did we end up getting close enough to deliver gnome-shell 3.4? [00:15] robert_ancell: i think it will happen if ricotz or jbicha steps up :) [00:16] I'm not sure how much further they can step up. They're already stepped up to the max [00:16] Go the upstepping! [00:17] robert_ancell: seb128 doesn't think it's a great idea but bug 941617 looks more like a yes than a no at the moment [00:17] Launchpad bug 941617 in clutter-1.0 "FFe: Update clutter/cogl to 1.9" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/941617 [00:17] oh. that. [00:17] * desrt forgot about 'that.' [00:17] damn [00:17] haha [00:19] * desrt suffers rage issues [00:19] well if you guys want to weigh in on the bug.... [00:21] * desrt unrages [00:21] so. i was getting really really annoyed because fedora was partitioning my disk very stupidly [00:22] now i discover that it's actually just GPT [00:22] fascinating. [00:22] micahg, hey, I see you're dropping quadrapassel from xubuntu - any feedback on it? [00:22] robert_ancell: done for beta 1 :) [00:23] micahg, dropped because size / dependencies / problems / reducing default apps ? [00:24] / better replacement [00:24] robert_ancell: we were the only image carrying clutter, I figured if Ubuntu didn't want to support it for LTS why should Xubuntu :) [00:24] so, we dropped quadrapassel and were done with it [00:24] jbicha, seb128 is always ruining our fun :) [00:24] ok [00:26] robert_ancell: :) [00:26] * desrt injects some love into the bug [02:22] robert_ancell, we'll get clutter for 12.10 :) [02:22] we can't hold out any longer, seb128 won't ruin the fun anymore :-D [03:40] RAOF, can I get you to type 'who' from a gnome-terminal and see if it gives any output? [03:40] You can, and it says “chris pts/2 2012-03-01 08:39 (:0)” [03:40] desrt@moonpix:~$ who [03:40] desrt@moonpix:~$ [03:40] :( [03:40] In case it matters, this is from a byobu-tmux session. [03:41] desrt: You are nobody. NOBODY! [03:41] :) [03:41] RAOF, how brave are you feeling, want to try a new lightdm? [03:42] Eh, sure. [03:42] What's the rub? [03:42] it seems to work for me now, but I'm not sure what's changed [03:42] well, I do know I made a big change to the way PAM works, but I have no idea if that should have fixed things [03:43] HAH! [03:43] That is tremendously reassuring ;) [03:45] it's the magic of PAM :) [03:46] So, where's the magic button? [03:46] RAOF, I'm just updating the branch [03:50] RAOF, ok, can you bzr-buildpackage lp:~ubuntu-desktop/lightdm/ubuntu and install the .debs [03:51] Hey, that's cool. I didn't know bzr-buildpackage did that! [03:55] that was accidental if you are actually literally running 'bzr-buildpackage lp:~ubuntu-desktop/lightdm/ubuntu'. 'Cause I'm running it now and also had no idea that would work [03:57] hmm, whatever it's doing it seems slower that bzr branch lp:~ubuntu-desktop/lightdm/ubuntu lightdm-ubuntu; cd lightdm-ubuntu; bzr-buildpackge [04:05] ...and I should actually install the build-deps. [04:07] RAOF, oh yeah, that too [04:13] RAOF, computer on fire yet? [04:14] JUst finished building. [04:22] robert_ancell: Nothing seems to have caught fire. [04:23] robert_ancell: Anything I should particularly check? [04:23] RAOF, I like the sound of that. the who/w thing in particular [04:23] (I take it you restarted lightdm?) [04:25] I logged out and logged in again. [04:25] That's enough to restart lightdm, or do I need to ask upstart to kindly kill it? [04:27] RAOF, you do need to upstart it or you'll be running the older version [04:28] Yeah, nothing caught fire. [04:32] RAOF, and who says... [04:35] chris pts/2 2012-03-01 15:35 (:0) [04:35] (And also “chris tty1 2012-03-01 15:15”, but that's my VT login) [04:38] RAOF: fancy quotes! [04:38] To differentiate between console quotes and actual quotes! [04:39] RAOF, ok, so it seems to be fixed for you too. magic [04:40] Do not extrapolate from an X maintainer's hardware. It's magic ☺ [04:49] Good morning [05:14] * BigWhale opens one eye. [05:14] Arrr. [05:15] Morning pitti. [05:15] hey TheMuso, how are you? [05:19] pitti: Not too bad thanks, yourself? [05:19] quite fine, thanks [06:01] tkamppeter_: the debian and ubuntu buildds and a local cups build all reproduce the "[cups-deviced] PID 13706 (usb) crashed on signal 11!" [06:01] tkamppeter_: I wonder what's different on your system so that you don't get it.. [06:33] good morning [06:45] bonjour didrocks [06:46] guten morgen pitti! [06:48] if anyone could help testing this morning's new desktops/alternates, that woudl be highly appreciated; we are running a bit tight on time here [06:51] * didrocks tries to deal with the unity stuff (release blocked on important bugs right now) and then will try to be on that [07:06] :w [07:06] opps [07:07] morning pitti [07:17] hey glatzor, wie geths? [07:44] pitti, pretty fine! and yourself? [07:44] glatzor: gut, danke! looking forward to getting b1 behind us :) [07:47] What exactly is compiz using 20% of my CPU for? [07:47] clint 2625 20.2 4.0 1817004 163176 ? Rl Feb28 419:44 compiz [07:47] I'd think displaying 2 maximized terminals wouldn't really use any of compiz's time [07:50] I have between 5 and 8 % CPU here [07:51] Mine has been > 10 all day... [07:51] at this point my laptop's fan is always on [07:52] weird, closing chrome, which was not visible.. dropped it considerably [07:52] I guess its because compiz shows screenshots in the super-W "thingy"... ? [07:53] hey, minimized application are not minimized, but restacked behind [07:55] I have kvm running on another (non-visible) desktop, I guess that's it [07:55] Yeah, closing everything except the terminals has *almost* let the fan go off. [08:02] pitti, just a short question: could you imagine any problems running a dbus daemon, e.g. aptdaemon, with a higher nice level? I think about calling os.nice(5) in aptdaemon to avoid slowing down old systems. or even using psutil.Process.set_ionice(psutil.IOPRIO_CLASS_IDLE) [08:03] morning mvo! [08:04] glatzor: I'm sure that'll help quite a bit; the only drawback that comes to my mind is that UIs might see increased response times, so perhaps some timeouts need to be adjusted [08:04] glatzor: but it should generally be fine [08:04] hey glatzor, good morning! [08:06] pitti, is it already to late in the cycle for an MIR of python-psutil? [08:06] glatzor: I ran into a odd issue the other day with pkcompat installed and runing "bzr get lp:update-manager; cd update-manager/DistUpgrade/;sudo ./dist-upgrade.py" I got locking errors from what appears to be aptdaemons pkcompat that emited some changed signals and locked the cache while doing that - does that sound plausible? [08:06] glatzor: sounds small and harmless [08:06] hey mvo [08:06] hey pi [08:06] hey pitti [08:12] mvo, I will have a look. [08:12] a! [08:12] ta! [08:16] pitti, hi === tkamppeter_ is now known as tkamppeter [08:18] pitti, it looks like that the usb backend segfaulted on you during device detection. It can depend on the printers you have connected andd their IDs. I have several HP printers connected and no USB->Parallel adapters. What do you have connected? [08:21] pitti, in bug 938640, comment #9 a user has a problem with a USB->Parallel adapter making the usb backend of Precise's CUPS crashing with a "Memory fault". What is this? What is the difference to a segfault? [08:21] Launchpad bug 938640 in cups "canon bj-200 has stopped printing" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/938640 [08:23] tkamppeter: I don't know, it doesn't sound like a standard strerror() message? [08:26] pitti, the usb backend executable and the CUPS libraries do not contain the string "Memory Fault". It must come from the system. === Guest35052 is now known as zorlu === zorlu is now known as hasanzorlu [08:36] pitti: on http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/208/builds/12793/testcases/443/results [08:36] pitti: I get a blank ubiquity startup screen [08:37] (language choice, but nothing else) [08:37] wasn't the case for you? [08:37] hm, could be that it was, but I assumed with the language choice that'd be normal? [08:38] pitti: not even if I select "english" [08:38] but I do remember reading "you can read the release notes" [08:38] pitti: and I had the translation in normal install [08:38] hum, reproduced twice here [08:38] and reading that note in German, too [08:38] ok, I'll open a bug [08:38] thanks [08:38] didrocks: jibel is also testing images now, FYI, so please have a look at the ISO tracker [08:39] pitti: well, I have to switch back to unity soon, but trying to give some hand as much as I can :) [08:41] didrocks, do you mean the 1rst screen with the choice try or install ubuntu ? [08:41] didrocks, bonjour [08:41] jibel: yeah, this one [08:41] jibel: salut [08:42] jibel: if you select the language on first screen (before casper is run) [08:42] didrocks: oh, _that_ one, gfxboot [08:42] didrocks: I tried it for OEM, but in English there [08:42] yeah, the gfxboot [08:42] didrocks, ok, trying now [08:43] didrocks: I get gfxboot translations on both i386 and amd64 [08:43] bug #943844 [08:43] Launchpad bug 943844 in ubiquity "No welcoming message if language != english" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/943844 [08:43] didrocks, did you select french on that screen ? [08:43] pitti: I mean, select deutch there [08:43] so do you mean gfxboot or ubiquity? [08:43] pitti: and "install" [08:43] let ubiquity loading [08:43] and you will see no "try or install" in ubiquity [08:43] didrocks: no, that's not a bug [08:43] jibel: yeah, I selected French here [08:44] ah? [08:44] didrocks: as on the gfxboot screen you already choose between live and install [08:44] it's weird, no link for release info? [08:44] well, that should be there [08:44] nothing on the right side [08:44] but on the initial ubiquity dialog where it asks for the language [08:44] but you should't get the install/live chooser [08:44] didrocks, are you on a wireless connection ? [08:44] didrocks, without connection no olink [08:44] jibel: no connection on that one [08:44] hum, ok, so it just looks "weird" [08:44] ah, that'd be it then [08:45] I think at last one line will be needed at some point :) [08:45] but ok, makes sense [08:45] *phew* [08:46] Sorry for the false alarm, explaining it on the bug report [08:46] didrocks, no heart attack today please [08:46] jibel: well, advocate that it looks weird to the user still :) [08:47] jibel: but will try to keep your heart safe! [08:47] didrocks, I agree an empty screen is weird but not b1-critical [08:48] jibel: agreed :) [08:49] hey [08:49] salut seb128 [08:49] pitti, I have searched the system for the string "Memory error" now and it appears nowhere, not in any library and not in the kernel. Can it be a weird en_GB translation for segfault? [08:50] lut didrocks, la forme ? [08:50] tkamppeter: or perhaps "out of memory" [08:50] seb128: ça va ;) pas sûr qu'on release, mais ça va :) [08:50] et toi ? [08:50] bonjour seb128 [08:50] hey pitti, wie gehts? [08:50] didrocks, ca va [08:50] tkamppeter: if the reporter can reproduce, strace should say more clearly what the problem is [08:50] watched France beat Germany for once yesterday ;-) [08:50] seb128: gut, danke! [08:51] * seb128 hugs mvo pitti [08:51] seb128: oh? I thought the European championship was in summer [08:51] * pitti hugs seb128 [08:51] pitti, it was an amical game (not sure they call it that in english) [08:51] pitti, i.e just a friendly out of competition game [08:51] seb128: and ubiquity beat us 1:0 as well, we needed a late-night respin [08:51] :-( [08:51] seb128: ah, I see [08:52] seb128: we call it "Freundschaftsspiel", quite the same [08:52] pitti, seems it's "friendly game" in english [08:53] as opposed to the really hostile ones during the EC or WC :) [08:53] ;-) [08:53] seb128: no Sedanne this time? [08:53] pitti, respin sucks, I was looking forward an unfreeze! [08:53] pitti, no Zidane no ;-) [08:53] so was I [08:54] seb128: could you do a quick test for me? [08:54] seb128: I assume you don't have "libreoffice" installed (i. e. the metapackage)? [08:54] no I don't [08:54] yes I can do testing [08:54] seb128: can you please try "apport-bug libreoffice"? [08:57] pitti, [08:57] Gtk-WARNING **: GtkLabel 0x9e86678: widget tried to gtk_widget_get_width inside GtkWidget ::get_width implementation. Should just invoke GTK_WIDGET_GET_CLASS(widget)->get_width directly rather than using gtk_widget_get_width [08:57] Segmentation fault (core dumped) [09:08] mvo, the problem seems to be that aptdaemon registers the cache update and emits the UpdatesChanged signal. Afterwards unity tries to get the available updates and aptdaemon locks the cache [09:09] pitti, Riddell what's the word on the street for beta 1? [09:09] rickspencer3: I'm fighting with the script to get it published [09:09] rickspencer3: more testing is needed, we had respins late last night [09:09] oh [09:10] Riddell, may I ask what the respins were for? [09:10] glatzor, mvo: hey [09:10] rickspencer3: bug 940908 bug 942560 [09:10] Launchpad bug 940908 in casper "Keyboard layout, oem-config not set on persistent USB image" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/940908 [09:10] Launchpad bug 942560 in ubiquity "keyboard layout screen - Keyboard navigation broken" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/942560 [09:11] morning seb128 ! [09:11] ubuntu desktop needs testing, lubuntu and edubuntu too, kubuntu is fine [09:11] glatzor, how are you? [09:11] mvo, I could add a larger delay in the UpdatesChanged signal. [09:11] pitti, about your CUPS segfault which you talked about initially today. Which devices do you have on USB? Can you run "sudo /usr/lib/cups/backend/usb", can you strace? [09:12] seb128, I am fine! yorself? [09:12] glatzor, I'm good thanks [09:12] yourself [09:12] glatzor, do you have any clue why the code in http://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-control-center/tree/panels/info/cc-info-panel.c doesn't seem to work with aptdaemon? [09:13] glatzor: yeah, that sounds reasonable - or could it be done without the cache locks as its just a calculation? [09:13] glatzor, it's always displaying "Checking for Updates" [09:14] glatzor, is GetUpdates supposed to work on precise? [09:14] tkamppeter: that works; it only seems to crash sometimes in the test suite [09:20] ubuntu-desktop team: more testing needed! http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/208/builds [09:21] mvo, pitti, how much delay would be acceptable for an update check after a package operation or cache update is performed [09:21] mvo, pitti so if you run "apt-get update". How long should unity take to show you "updatesavailable"? currently it is 5 seconds [09:22] glatzor: IMHO, anything up to an hour [09:22] mvo, pitti could we raise this to a minte? [09:22] minute [09:22] usually apt-get update is cron'ed [09:22] glatzor: sounds ok to me - I will also check the release upgrade if its giving up the lock too early for no good reason [09:22] for urgent security updates an hour seems appropriate to me [09:23] pitti, but I don't want aptdaemon to sit an hour just waiting for sending the updates changed signal :) [09:23] glatzor: I mean from a purely visual POV [09:23] (what your question was, about "unity" [09:24] glatzor: in other words, 30 seconds or a minute doesn't matter for that at all [09:24] pitti, unity nowadays just listens to the UpdatesChanged signal on the pk interface [09:24] (additionally a check is performed some time after login) [09:30] glatzor, did you see my question before btw? [09:39] seb128, hey [09:39] robert_ancell, hey, how are you? [09:39] robert_ancell, doing late hacking recently! [09:39] hey robert_ancell [09:39] seb128, good. I got lightdm to work, can you smoke test it? [09:39] pitti, hello [09:39] robert_ancell, ok, it's un the packaging vcs? [09:39] not up late today, just left computer on to wait you guys to come online [09:39] seb128, yup [09:40] it works for me and RAOF [09:40] robert_ancell, I'm on it [09:41] pitti, we're still in freeze right? [09:41] robert_ancell, yes, but you can upload anyway [09:42] somebody will flush the queue when we unfreeze [09:42] robert_ancell: what seb128 said [09:42] seb128, right. So I think it's good to go, I just want a second opinion before pushing it to the archive [09:43] seb128, also, if you see anyone who has had PAM issues during your hours let them know to try it [09:43] robert_ancell, ok [09:43] robert_ancell, I've it installed, brb, testing it [09:46] mvo, hm. aptdaemon is quite fast in reclaiming the lock after dist-upgrade temporarily released it :) [09:48] mvo, should we use a special lock to indicate that a dist-upgrade is currently running? if update-manager or software-center is opened in the meantime we could show a warning and disable all actions [09:48] mvo, aptdaemon could also avoid sending updateschanged signals [09:49] glatzor: I think that does make sense, or it could simply keep the lock for the entire lifetime of the operation (which it actually should do already :/) [09:51] good morning everyone [09:52] pitti, try to get a way to have a reproducable segfault of the usb backend, otherwise we cannot fix it. [09:52] re [09:53] robert_ancell, ok, all good from what I can test her [09:53] here [09:53] tkamppeter: right; I re-enabled the test suite in the build, and it failed now: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/94856878/buildlog_ubuntu-precise-i386.cups_1.5.2-5pitti_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz [09:53] seb128, phew - you were gone a while and I was getting worried... [09:53] robert_ancell, i.e local logins, ecryptfs, guest session [09:53] tkamppeter: it seems to consistently happen on builders, but only sometimes locally; anyway, I'll try to reproduce it locally later [09:53] seb128, ok, I'll just push it to the archive then [09:53] robert_ancell, sorry, I did a round of logout, login and different accounts type checks [09:54] seb128, nah, that's good ;) [09:54] robert_ancell, you can push to the ppa as well if you want some extra testing during the day in case [09:54] you can dput the same version to both [09:54] seb128, save version number? [09:54] yes [09:55] or add a ~ppa1 or something if you want but that's not needed since that's the same content [09:56] seb128, done, cya tomorrow [09:56] robert_ancell, 'night [09:56] mvo, you have to release the lock shortly before dpkg is called [09:56] :/ [09:57] glatzor, hey again, sorry I had to restart and I didn't see if you responded to my gnome-control-center question before [09:57] sorry seb128, I missed your question by accidentially closing my xchat window [09:57] glatzor, lol, no worry [09:58] glatzor, if you have some minutes could you look at http://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-control-center/tree/panels/info/cc-info-panel.c and tell me if that's supposed to work with aptdaemon? [09:58] glatzor, the button always displays "Checking for Updates" [09:58] glatzor: yeah [09:59] glatzor, see refresh_updates() and on_pk_get_tid_ready() [09:59] glatzor, is "GetUpdates" supposed to work with the aptdaemon compat layer? [09:59] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/+bug/943881 if somebody could have a look :) [09:59] Launchpad bug 943881 in libreoffice "Unable to print to password protected (cups) printer" [Undecided,New] [10:00] dupondje, it's probably for Sweetshark or tkamppeter [10:02] seb128, it should work. But why isn't the packagekit-glib client not used? you don't need to operate on the dbus level. there is a nice high level api for packagekit [10:03] glatzor, dunno, it's code from GNOME [10:03] seb128, http://paste.ubuntu.com/863168/ [10:06] hi [10:06] I can't make gnome-shell being used when using automatic login [10:07] I guess the choice is stored/used by lightdm? [10:09] rodrigo_, hey, automatic login with what login manager? what version do you use? [10:09] seb128, fresh 11.10 install, lightdm [10:10] rodrigo_, it was fixed in a SRU, so I guess: update [10:10] ah ok [10:10] thanks [10:10] didrocks: are you happy with the "HUD" release note on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/TechnicalOverview, or want to improve it? [10:10] hey rodrigo_ [10:10] hi pitti [10:10] pitti: i'm just about to edit it [10:11] so, how are you all doing for this cycle? [10:11] anything exciting? [10:11] (I'm not using precise) [10:12] rodrigo_: quality, kwality, Q'hal-ity [10:12] good [10:13] seb128, but it doesn't seem to work: it doesn't catch the Finished signal. I will have a look at it [10:14] pitti: done [10:15] didrocks: c'est beaucoup, merci! [10:16] "c'est bon" probably better? [10:16] glatzor, thanks [10:17] seb128, the panel if doesn't work with packagekitd :) [10:18] glatzor, ok, I will bug richard about it [10:28] seb128, it is a bug in the panel [10:29] seb128, self->priv->updates_state isn't unset to UPDATES_NOT_AVAILABLE if there aren't any updates [10:29] seb128, it keeps the CHECKING_UPDATES state [10:31] oh [10:31] glatzor, thanks! [10:32] seb128, line 1776 in on_pk_transaction_signal should set the state away from CHECKING_UPDATES if it isn't yet switched to UPDATES_AVAILABLE [10:32] ugh after g-s-d crash it got restarted and now I have 3 syndaemons [10:36] rye, bug #868400 [10:36] Launchpad bug 868400 in gnome-settings-daemon "Synaptics touchpad stops working - two syndaemon instances running" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/868400 [10:36] rye, known issue [10:36] glatzor, excellent, thanks [10:38] rye, btw did you ping to didrocks earlier? do you get the firefox altgr focus thing happening with compiz r3025 really? I only get it with the staging ppa version here [10:39] seb128, well, it is happening currently now [10:39] rye, what compiz version do you use? [10:39] seb128, 1:0.9.7.0~bzr3025-0ubuntu1~ppa1 - from unity-team/ppa [10:39] updated yesterday [10:41] hmmmm, does lkcl deliberately try to p*ss everyone off, every time he posts to a mailing list? [10:43] seb128: rye: can you comment on the bug? [10:44] rye: do you have the time to try this combination: [10:44] - unity from precise (5.4) [10:44] - compiz from this ppa? [10:44] to try to decipher if it's compiz or unity [10:47] didrocks, sure, will reboot now to check whether i am still experiencing this on current packages and then will swap unity/compiz [10:47] brb [10:47] chrisccoulson, lkcl? [10:49] rye: thanks :) [10:50] mvo, the problem with pkcompat and dist-upgrade only exists if you still have got the packagekit config files arround [10:50] mvo /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/20packagekit isn't (yet) shipped with aptdaemon [10:50] seb128, lkcl is an annoying troll [10:50] or, at least i think he's just a troll ;) [10:51] chrisccoulson, on what lists? [10:51] seb128, http://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.dev.platform/browse_thread/thread/ef5e559992e2d158 [10:51] he's posted on our lists before as well though [10:51] oh, mozilla lists, not lists I read ;-) [10:52] pitti, mvo: packagekit drops an an apt.conf.d snippet which calls the StateHasChanged method of PackageKit to notfiy the daemon about finished package operations (installs/cache updates) which have been done with non-packagekit tools, e.g. apt-get or dist-upgrade.py [10:52] chrisccoulson, is reading that another way to waste 15 minutes of my life I will not get back? ;-) [10:53] seb128, yeah, don't read it [10:53] he's posted on our lists before as well, eg, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2011-August/034011.html [10:53] chrisccoulson, oh, I probably didn't read that one either, I need motivation to read emails which are over a screen long ;-) [10:53] heh [10:54] you need to be stupid to read anything from lkcl too. i keep telling the mozilla guys that they should just ignore him [10:54] pitti, mvo: Should I ship the file also in aptdaemon.pkcompat or would a packagekit-common package be a better solution? There is also the packagekit dbus config which is currenlty replicated in aptdaemon [10:55] glatzor: conffile-wise a -common would indeed better, but duplicating it for now should work as long as they are identical [10:56] didrocks, i come back with quite an interesting story [10:56] didrocks, so, upon reboot i stopped having this problem [10:57] didrocks, then i recallled that the first time i noticed this was when i was using plain US language keyboard without dead keys and/or compose (after i noticed the bug I added the US international with AltGr dead keys. [10:58] didrocks, so I added the plain English(US) version and it stopped working in current set of package, what's your default english layout? [10:59] hm [10:59] rye: I don't have an english layout here [10:59] french one, and never experienced the issue [10:59] seb did, but only with a newer compiz than yours [11:00] this story is confusing :) [11:00] seb128: you are using the OSS alternative as well? [11:00] didrocks, but now i see it does not switch focus somewhere else when i press AltGr in a layout that has compose key [11:01] rye: maybe not a regression after all [11:01] didrocks, yes [11:01] * didrocks is puzzled [11:01] so, now I only have to find a way to reproduce this issue with a keyboard layout having compose key [11:02] rye: yeah, and please anotate the bug report with your findings [11:02] didrocks, well "alternative", [11:02] $ gsettings get org.gnome.libgnomekbd.keyboard layouts [11:02] ['fr\toss', 'de'] [11:02] didrocks, ^ [11:03] ['fr\toss', 'fr'] [11:03] yeah, it's the same here then [11:03] oss is alternative in the display IIRC [11:03] but I don't get it now [11:03] well, at the moment what is definitely broken is pressing alt to reveal the menu in gtk3 apps - before upgrade to ppa versions the menus worked in gtk3 apps but were failing for gtk2 ones [11:03] it doesn't happen all the time [11:03] rye, known issue [11:04] rye: alt to reveal gtk3 app is another issue :) [11:04] didrocks, i can haz a bug # to subscribe? I lost the one for gtk2 :( [11:05]