[00:03] hey all [00:06] i've jst come back to ubntu (oneric) after a few years back in windows (7, since beta), and it sure is different from how i remember it (intrepid). not jst the interface, i mean i knew about gnome3/unity, but what happened to xorg.conf? [00:07] it seems to have been replaced by some kind of automagic configuration [00:13] which is annoying, because i want to change the graphics driver on my laptop (Gallium's giving me god-awful 3d performance on this laptop's Radeon X1200) but can't find any way to manually configure xorg's video driver [00:17] is there a way to tell it to use "radeon" instead of "gallim3d" does anyone know? [00:17] just make an Xorg.conf [00:17] it still works [00:17] it just isn't needed by default [00:18] oh, right [00:18] if you install the fglrx driver it makes an xorg.conf [00:18] then you can edit it however you want [00:18] well, it used to anyway [00:23] if it does it by magic, can i just write one from scratch with just the sections i want to customise? [00:27] probably, if you know how to do that [00:27] you can have very minimal configs [00:29] excellent [00:29] thanks very much [00:29] =D [02:24] hell yes, hit 1.8ghz on my phone (800mhz stock), got Android 4 ICS installed, and It's running Ubuntu 12.04 NATIVE. [02:25] * Azelphur hugs his phone === opt1mus is now known as Aeuthanasius === Aeuthanasius is now known as opt1mus [07:14] Morning [07:46] aloha [07:48] morning all [07:49] Just got a notification from Farnell, my Pis will be later than 1st indicated, now saying w/c 23/04/12... [07:49] TheOpenSourcerer: I have an order confirmation email from Farnell [07:49] but it's not showing up on their 'Order history' page [07:51] My order is there - just says "Processing". Hey ho. Am not unhappy about waiting. [07:52] Hm. I'll send them an email. [07:52] If it's not in their systems, I might just wait for the frenzy to calm down a bit [08:00] hah, just noticed my order has changed from 2 to 1 pi [08:01] Morning [08:02] morning [08:09] popey: Mine too, but still showing the price for 2 :-( [08:24] Ahoy :) [08:25] still no VM bigcalm[xoom] ? [08:27] * popey wonders if czajkowski is in the office [08:28] Getting a new work-issue laptop today. Deeply inconvenient, mostly because it's Windows and will have to reinstall 100 or so packages (probably lazily on demand, but still an overhead) [08:29] * MartijnVdS shouts at the NetworkManager OpenVPN plugin [08:29] WHY doesn't it work with the OpenVPN server at work? [08:29] awilkins: your getting a laptop for free? [08:29] No name : whats the issue? [08:29] No name : they're replacing the one I have [08:29] * daubers drinks coffee [08:30] awilkins: "No name"? [08:30] That's what's showing as your nick in my client [08:30] MartijnVdS: You are the man with no name... [08:30] I am!? === MartijnVdS is now known as MartijnVdS2 === MartijnVdS2 is now known as MartijnVdS [08:30] better? [08:31] awilkins: ^ [08:31] it must be awilkins client, it shows fine as MartijnVdS for me [08:31] No, but this is a crappy IRC client [08:31] You're all No name [08:31] obviously ;) [08:31] \o/ we can throw insults without being identified [08:31] N900 built in one [08:31] it's wierd as well awilkins as i see your password too, it's showing up as ******** ;) lol [08:32] daubers: i see you :) lol [08:32] MooDoo: Shhhhhhhh! [08:32] Arrgh. Oh well, the crappy mobile coverage will override th crappy client soon [08:34] Tunnel! [08:36] Heh [08:36] Now his name I see. [08:38] I never thought that being without a internet connection would actually be depressing [08:38] :o [08:38] Are there still dial-up BBSes? Try one of those ;) [08:38] Goodness knows what I would feel like if I wasn't on medication [08:39] bigcalm[xoom]: Seriously, just change provider [08:39] Or get a USB mobile broadband dongle? [08:40] bigcalm[xoom]: you're not complaining at VM enough ☺ [08:40] bigcalm[xoom]: Go sit on their front door with a placard [08:41] I have my phone, but I need it shared for my lan. 'Just change provider' is not an easy option [08:41] "Wantz interwebz plz!" [08:42] If my router had a usb socket I would be able to do what pope has done [08:42] bigcalm[xoom]: surely your phone can be an access point? [08:43] popey: yes, but not all of my systems have wifi. For the one project I'm having to run 3 separate machines [08:46] Running dd-wrt, can I connect the router to my phone via wifi and then distribute it via the wired connections? [08:49] popey: I am [08:49] popey: where are you? [08:49] cool [08:49] heading in shortly [08:50] sitting where I was before [08:50] well before I moved [08:52] Eta now set to 9am tomorrow. [08:52] * bigcalm[xoom]| goes to hang himself [08:52] But first, a cuppa tea [09:29] bigcalm[xoom], If they fail to get it working again, how about asking them to send you out a dongle FOC ? They are a provider now as well [09:31] Happy St David's Day, everyone! I'm not about to attempt to type Welsh.... :D [09:31] Dydd Gwyl Dewi Hapus I Chi Gyd [09:31] MooDoo: would you like to buy a vowel? [09:32] lol [09:33] heh, RS said they experienced 'the greatest level of demand RS has ever received for a product at one time' [09:34] * oimon is looking at windows8 preview - am i right in thinking, that's mainly the metro interface, and windows will still be the same if you actually want to use windows? [09:35] oimon: isn't that normally the case with Windows? I gather there were some improvements with Windows 7, but XP isn't hugely different as far as I'm aware. [09:35] i can only see metro interface being used in pc world [09:36] the metro stuff looks very touch friendly and not much else [09:36] (or xbox controller) [09:47] oimon, yes it's mainly metro [09:47] e.g. the metro start menu is the only start menu [09:47] all apps in the app store must be metro [09:50] directhex, what does that mean ? [09:50] "all apps in the app store must be metro" [09:50] oimon, the first icon in the start menu is for the microsoft app store [09:51] it only sells metro apps, i.e. fullscreen ones with a metro tile using the metro toolkits. not "real" windows apps running in desktop mode [09:51] i need to replace my windows 7 start menu button with "steam.exe" [09:51] sounds like they are trying to reduce it to a tablet OS then [09:54] Aren't they also introducing a new FS with Win8 ? [09:55] morning all [09:55] diplo: don't think so... still NTFS [09:55] there is a new one [09:55] http://blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/archive/2012/01/16/building-the-next-generation-file-system-for-windows-refs.aspx [09:55] ReFS [09:56] let’s not forget that NTFS is by far the industry’s leading technology for file systems on PCs. :D [09:57] diplo: probably pure vapourware... they've tried before ;-) [09:58] yeah, well they were supposed to introduce with Vista if i remember correctly [09:58] So they have had a fair few years to get it right [10:15] windicators [10:15] woops, did i say that out loud? === angela-android is now known as nothingspecial [10:17] i just discovered that the ability to lend kindle books is restrcited to US only :( [10:18] sucks a bundle. i thought that was a supported feature in the UK [10:18] my mum has three books to lend me. if she bougt them IRL (at the same price), she would be able to do that [10:20] seen a few people in here trying to get Linux industry experience [10:20] my employer has some very junior positions open, feel free to ping me directly if anyone's interested [10:20] (based in west london) [10:22] (you'll be making the coffee ;)) [10:26] my employer has some more experienced positions open too [10:26] gord: there may be some coffee making required :D [10:26] If only you all were more towards the SW :) [10:26] although requires an all rounder rather than exclusively linux [10:28] i wonder if i could employ an unpaid intern to make me coffee... [10:29] gord: put it out there, you may get a bite [10:29] nespresso? [10:30] "Joy entails going in to town, picking up some coffee to go and coming back. if the coffee is cold, you are fired" [10:31] they don't even have to make it? [10:31] should be no bother finding someone [10:31] why would i trust my coffee quality to an unpaid intern? [10:31] i want someone that is paid to make it [10:32] ha [10:32] the logic is there [10:38] good morning everyone. [10:40] morning [10:41] morning MooDoo [10:45] Morning chaps [10:45] morning popey [10:47] morning [10:47] morning mattt [10:53] weirdest thing is happening with my phone today... it keeps speaking japanese at me then when i pick it up to figure out why and unlock, it suddenly stops [10:53] gord: H4x0red? [10:54] i doubt it, prolly just some application being weird [11:14] does anyone have problems unmaximising certain windows in unity? i can't get focus without a few clicks sometimes and drag to unmaxmimise stops too [11:15] morning funksters [11:15] no bigcalm [11:15] morning MooDoo [11:15] czajkowski: prod! [11:16] davmor2: good morning to you [11:17] oimon, on what unity? O? [11:17] 11.10 gord [11:17] weird [11:17] oimon: nope just you [11:17] hurry up april [11:18] oimon: yes I cant unmaximise a terminal [11:18] I end up having to kill it [11:18] czajkowski, eww [11:18] sort of similar [11:18] cant find the min max boxes [11:18] although clicking a fw times gives me focus. doesn't always happen [11:18] czajkowski, yeah, nor the title [11:19] ok just got it in thunderbird. [11:19] clicking the panel doesn't work, but click the app works to gain focus [11:19] damit launcher crashed again [11:19] >:( [11:19] i have 2 screens [11:19] now it's behainvg again [11:20] czajkowski, have you disabled global menu? [11:20] nope it just happens and I can relaunch it and start again [11:22] czajkowski, just the launcher crashed? [11:22] are you guys using 2d? [11:23] gord: nope [11:23] gord: have to kill all apps that I had running to resrt them as they wont launch from the launcher [11:24] * mattt renames #ubuntu-uk to #ubuntu-uk-qa [11:25] mattt: um... this is what locoteams are for [11:25] * mattt sits back and gets lectured [11:25] gord: alt tabbing through the apps wont show all apps that have been launched if there is a crash after happening [11:26] mattt: nobody is lecturing just pointing out what the channel is for and not the need to set up another one [11:26] czajkowski: he is aware of that one I showed him at the co working day [11:26] aye there are non loco channels [11:27] ubuntu-TEAM/PROJECT [11:27] * mattt got scolded [11:27] not ubuntu-ISO code for locoteams [11:27] czajkowski: i'm just kidding around, ignore me [11:29] /ignore mattt [11:29] morning mattt ☺ [11:29] * mattt herp derps popey [11:31] gord: I had same thing [11:31] czajkowski: just showed it to me, i frequently get a situation where some apps dont appear in my alt-tab [11:32] popey: I have one app, then a bit further down the line it will show more but never all, as I say I showed gord at the co-working day the unity team are aware of it [11:32] well at least according to gord they are :D [11:51] ello folks [11:52] When I send mail from my personal mail server to my work address, my work address quarantines it. Have I set up something wrong? I assume its something to do with certificates? [11:53] does your work not tell you why it quarantined it? [11:54] do you send you home mail via a smarthost or does it go direct? [11:54] if direct thats probbaly why [11:54] many mail servers mark mail from home IP addresses as spam [12:03] j0nr: does your work user greylisting if so then your mail maybe spam purely because it isn't signed with a known key also [12:07] mail is being sent from my VPS which is hosted by some company, so not at home. [12:07] not sure whether thats smarthost or not [12:08] and no, work just says it may contain a virus or be spam [12:20] j0nr: does the header contain details of the score? [12:21] payments through gandi are so weird - i bet at some point in that companies history someone said "hey, lets just make our own payment system" [12:32] popey: X_Spam_Status score =0.1, require 5.0 [12:36] So server is not making it spam, so it's your client ? [13:12] * oimon starts getting excited about cotton candy [13:27] popey, You about ? [13:30] https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=iNw2YcAK9Wc#! === tubadaz_ is now known as tubadaz [13:33] directhex, What were you looking for to find that?!?!?! [13:33] :) [13:36] the internet is made of cats [13:38] :D [13:50] diplo: ? [13:50] Wondering if you wanted Referral for Bitfolk that's all :) [13:50] Need your account name if you want it :) [13:50] aww, thats kind of you [13:50] ash [13:51] Well you have helped me out a fair few times over the last I don't know how + answered a few questions on bitfolk already [13:51] :D [13:51] kk ta [13:53] Also you running lucid on your VPS ? [13:56] often when maximising a window on my left screen, the right screen goes blank...any idea? [13:57] Afternoon all [13:59] thanks diplo [13:59] yes diplo [14:18] aaaaaargh [14:18] stabstabstab [14:19] popey: I'm sensing some stress there..... [14:19] Bad afternoon ? [14:19] :P === Dan__ is now known as Guest75319 [14:43] czajkowski: [14:43] _ _ [14:43] / \__ _____ ___ ___ _ __ ___ ___| | [14:43] / _ \ \ /\ / / _ \/ __|/ _ \| '_ ` _ \ / _ \ | [14:43] / ___ \ V V / __/\__ \ (_) | | | | | | __/_| [14:43] /_/ \_\_/\_/ \___||___/\___/|_| |_| |_|\___(_) [14:43] [14:43] ... [14:45] lit *&^%$£ [14:50] popey: Eh. [14:50] popey: Its like top-posting... just don't :) [14:50] :> [14:50] Hi jpds [14:53] lol [14:54] Awe...Cat overs anybody? http://goo.gl/aqtE4 [14:58] popey: I second your Awesome, and tag it Awesome on lp and assign czajkowski to the Awesome till she gets just how Awesome it is [14:58] she's afk [14:59] popey: I know but she come back a read it and hate us all the more :) [14:59] davmor2: who's awesome? [15:00] MooDoo: Everything in czajkowski world it AWESOME! you have Awesome sunset, awesome sun rises, awesome buildings etc etc etc [15:02] MooDoo: most of all there are lots of really AWESOME CATS! in czajkowski world :) [15:02] davmor2: so what you're saying is, is that czajkowski is awesome? with awesome sauce? [15:02] /ignore :) [15:03] davmor2: WE LOVE AWESOME SO THEREFORE WE LOVE czajkowski :D [15:03] MooDoo: something like that === popey changed the topic of #ubuntu-uk to: Welcome to #ubuntu-uk! http://ubuntu-uk.org | This channel is publicly archived http://irclogs.ubuntu.com | Mailing List http://tinyurl.com/uukml | Support Guidelines http://tinyurl.com/uuksupport | Meeting 2nd February 21:00 UK time #ubuntu-uk-meeting | *\o/* AWESOME *\o/* [15:05] czajkowski, popey: what makes me smile is the word Awful is better than the word Awesome, but you won't call something Awesome Awful [15:05] Awesomely Awful? [15:11] i like the word lameriffic [15:11] I can never figure out the horror/terror roots. horror, horrible, horrific .. terror, terrible, terrific .. how did the last turn into a good thing? [15:13] proabably someone like me making up silly words [15:13] New lappy has been delivered [15:13] awilkins: \o/ [15:13] It turns out to be a Thinkpad T420. I'm almost happy [15:13] The keyboard is an odd geometry but I'll get used to it [15:13] what like dvorak? [15:14] It's a bit more cramped than the old one [15:14] Dvorak would be a different layout [15:14] I've never learned it ; it would be cool to change the layout but not the keycaps and annoy people [15:15] awilkins: just change the layout to something random :) [15:15] or with a dirty word somewhere ;) [15:16] I got told that's the 'right' way to do dvorak .. switch the layout, but not the keycaps [15:17] it's a really awkward layout for peeking at the keys, you do more damage than good like that === tubadaz_ is now known as tubadaz [15:26] * bigcalm rolls back into the online world [15:27] Maybe they've fixed your disconenction problems as well [15:28] bigcalm, Just before you hit your data cap with T-Mobile as well [15:28] ? [15:28] diplo: thankfully [15:29] bigcalm: you have T'interwebz [15:29] diplo: when I got the text message from T-mobile yesterday I went and set up a wifi hotspot on Hayley's phone so that she could stop using my bandwidth [15:29] davmor2: it is true! [15:29] * bigcalm sighs at the incoming emails [15:29] heh [15:30] bigcalm: what's it like to have fast netz again [15:31] davmor2: I'm just happy to be using irc from a proper keyboard/screen again [15:31] Having a lack of connection did mean that I could sort of hide from clients for a while as well [15:31] Guess I should let them know I'm available again [15:31] Tomorrow..... [15:31] :) [15:33] bigcalm: Minecraft 1.2 has been released, maybe better getting your internet back on Monday :) [15:33] Damn it! [15:33] I forgot and have already sent an email to my boss saying I was back online [15:33] oooo [15:34] ocelots, tame cats, iron golems and all [15:34] Yes, we need to upgrade the clients and server and decide if we're going to start from scratch again or not [15:34] I say we do [15:34] And jungle biomes [15:35] Maybe a vote in the minecraft channel [15:42] "tame cats" [15:42] I read that as "time cats" at first [15:42] The doctor's cat? [15:42] there's not really any such thing as a tame cat [15:43] "domesticated" dogs mean they respond to their owners as though they were all part of a pack [15:43] "domesticated" cats have their owners respond as if they were part of a pack :P [15:43] "domesticated" cats show up at mealtimes [15:44] gordonjcp: and in winter when the heating is on :) [15:46] yup [15:47] blah [15:47] worst thing about getting up at 6 [15:47] i feel exhausted by 4 :-/ [15:48] time for a run :) [16:01] davmor2: is beta one out ? [16:01] I wish I hadn't bothered getting up at 6am yesterday to watch the RS and Farnell websites die. [16:02] czajkowski: Have you seen an announcement? Until you do assume not ;) I think it should be momentarily [16:03] davmor2: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2012/03/01/ubuntu-12-04-development-update-16/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=ubuntu-12-04-development-update-16 [16:04] czajkowski: Is that a release notice, no it's a developer update :P [16:04] davmor2: where would the relese notice go [16:10] gord: ping [16:11] czajkowski, what up? [16:12] guys, is 12.04 beta 1 out today? [16:12] gord: is there a bug for the issue myself and popey mentioned earlier on when I max things and then cant find the buttons to minimise it or close it [16:12] :P [16:12] reenacting the "is it out yet" party [16:14] czajkowski, not specifically, id suggest doing a search [16:18] [Matthew Garrett] Not here - http://mjg59.livejournal.com/139653.html [16:46] Anyone know if there is an obvious way to enable 1Gb ethternet on a port? [16:46] the motherboard's NIC supports it, but it's only going at 100 [16:47] How can you tell? [16:47] What's the other end of the cable plugged into? [16:47] a gigabit switch with a liight that says 1GBe under each port [16:48] booted to windows, they run at 1gbe [16:48] CaMason_: Is the cable cat 5e or better? [16:48] yes [16:48] sure? [16:48] What's it got written on it? [16:48] installed and fluke tested yesterday [16:49] what does ethtool say? [16:50] says link partner advertised only up to 100 [16:52] and 1000baseT is in the supported link modes? [16:53] aha daubers you made me think! Someone was fiddling with the patch panel yesterday [16:53] the patch cord itself was cat5 [16:54] thanks [16:54] There we go :) [16:54] all working now [16:54] Cat5 will do 1gb+ though won't it.. just not certified ? [16:55] not according to my switch's 1gbe light :) [16:55] Funnily enough I was going to ask this question when I got home [16:55] diplo: Not really [16:55] switched the cable and we're up to 1gb [16:55] * MartijnVdS has some Cat5 cables that do 1GB fine [16:55] but if your ports only have 4 conductors wired (123 6) [16:55] I've got a PC with 10.10 running it advertising 1GB, same switch my microserver same patch lead only doing 100 [16:55] you're out of luck [16:56] diplo: I'd only ever use cat 5e or cat 6 [16:56] diplo: at least it's not as bad as 10Base2 networks :) [16:56] cat 5 sucks [16:56] diplo: those were even more broken than gbit interop [16:56] Well yeah 5e more than 95% [16:56] Sorry guessed that was what everyone uses, I used to sell Data cable we only stocked 5e/6 [16:57] Was just called cat5 :) [16:57] heh MartijnVdS - Just bought a Gig switch though.. rather get it working [16:57] Like the ethtool though daubers [16:57] I had a fun day with a bad cable last month [16:57] At least I can check tonight [16:57] (well, miswired connector) [16:58] * diplo has cable tester and over 1k of patch leads at home so should be ok [16:58] Laptop (gbit, auto-mdix) -> cable -> other bit of hardware: works fine [16:58] Switch -> cable -> other bit of hardware: HALP WHAT IS THIS [16:58] Got to find a place to dump these cables eventually [16:58] I don't want them [16:58] diplo: middle of the atlantic. [16:59] Get me there :) [16:59] diplo: take a plane to the US, open door halfway [16:59] Not sure the recycling centre will understand that I'm not a business [17:00] Just half inched them from my last work place when I used to do a lot of private jobs [17:00] Now do nothing and have lot's of left overs [17:00] put them by a railway, a pikey will steal them [17:01] Melt them and sell the copper [17:01] But could also get done for littering.. [17:03] <-- Off home \o/ [17:35] popey: What was the name of the small form factor PC you have? [17:35] revo [17:37] Viglen MPC-L [17:37] * bigcalm sits on his hands [17:38] popey: which router do you have that you can plug a usb wifi dongle into it? I'm wondering if I can get my boss to buy me one as the router I have lacks a usb port [17:39] netgear wndr 3700 [17:39] Ta [17:39] How stable have you found it to be? [17:40] And is it dd-wrt or open-wrt you are using? [17:42] i have dd-wrt on my day to day router [17:42] and openwrt on the special backup one [17:43] I'm wondering if one could plug in a phone rather than a dedicated dongle [17:43] I guess so, openwrt is very flexible [17:43] Shame I didn't consider the need of a USB port when I bought my Linksys router [17:43] google hangouts is so nice, i might just sit on one all day long and let people come in and chat if they want [17:45] * bigcalm goes to harass gord [17:45] Or do I leave that until next week? [17:45] bigcalm, canonical only hangout, so :P [17:46] Baka [17:51] * popey tries to guess the name of the hangout [17:52] https://talkgadget.google.com/hangouts/extras/canonical.com/gord didnt work ☹ [17:52] Y U NO THERE [17:52] bah, stupid webcam [17:52] * MartijnVdS needs a plugin for that? [17:52] oh and a webcam? [17:52] yeah [17:52] it will probably redirect non-canonical people to some other url [17:53] * MartijnVdS can't generate a webcam out of thin air [17:53] INFILTRATOR [17:53] BWUHAHAHAHA [17:54] Works fine for me.. [17:54] what have you done popey :P [17:55] MartijnVdS: url will be changed though === mh0- is now known as mh0 [18:32] Hmm.. "Fakey McNotMyName", nice name :) [18:55] 200 grand for billboards in London to urge people not to vote in a Tory mayor. Hahahahahah. [19:03] choo choo! [19:03]