[00:03] <Pheetard> hey all
[00:06] <Pheetard> i've jst come back to ubntu (oneric) after a few years back in windows (7, since beta), and it sure is different from how i remember it (intrepid). not jst the interface, i mean i knew about gnome3/unity,  but what happened to xorg.conf?
[00:07] <Pheetard> it seems to have been replaced by some kind of automagic configuration
[00:13] <Pheetard> which is annoying, because i want to change the graphics driver on my laptop (Gallium's giving me god-awful 3d performance on this laptop's Radeon X1200) but can't find any way to manually configure xorg's video driver
[00:17] <Pheetard> is there a way to tell it to use "radeon" instead of "gallim3d" does anyone know?
[00:17] <ali1234> just make an Xorg.conf
[00:17] <ali1234> it still works
[00:17] <ali1234> it just isn't needed by default
[00:18] <Pheetard> oh, right
[00:18] <ali1234> if you install the fglrx driver it makes an xorg.conf
[00:18] <ali1234> then you can edit it however you want
[00:18] <ali1234> well, it used to anyway
[00:23] <Pheetard> if it does it by magic, can i just write one from scratch with just the sections i want to customise?
[00:27] <ali1234> probably, if you know how to do that
[00:27] <ali1234> you can have very minimal configs
[00:29] <Pheetard> excellent
[00:29] <Pheetard> thanks very much
[00:29] <Pheetard> =D
[02:24] <Azelphur> hell yes, hit 1.8ghz on my phone (800mhz stock), got Android 4 ICS installed, and It's running Ubuntu 12.04 NATIVE.
[02:25]  * Azelphur hugs his phone
[07:14] <daubers> Morning
[07:46] <czajkowski> aloha
[07:48] <TheOpenSourcerer> morning all
[07:49] <TheOpenSourcerer> Just got a notification from Farnell, my Pis will be later than 1st indicated, now saying w/c 23/04/12...
[07:49] <MartijnVdS> TheOpenSourcerer: I have an order confirmation email from Farnell
[07:49] <MartijnVdS> but it's not showing up on their 'Order history' page
[07:51] <TheOpenSourcerer> My order is there - just says "Processing". Hey ho. Am not unhappy about waiting.
[07:52] <MartijnVdS> Hm. I'll send them an email.
[07:52] <MartijnVdS> If it's not in their systems, I might just wait for the frenzy to calm down a bit
[08:00] <popey> hah, just noticed my order has changed from 2 to 1 pi
[08:01] <DJones> Morning
[08:02] <MooDoo> morning
[08:09] <TheOpenSourcerer> popey: Mine too, but still showing the price for 2 :-(
[08:24] <bigcalm[xoom]> Ahoy :)
[08:25] <DJones> still no VM bigcalm[xoom] ?
[08:27]  * popey wonders if czajkowski is in the office
[08:28] <awilkins> Getting a new work-issue laptop today. Deeply inconvenient, mostly because it's Windows and will have to reinstall 100 or so packages (probably lazily on demand, but still an overhead)
[08:29]  * MartijnVdS shouts at the NetworkManager OpenVPN plugin
[08:29] <MartijnVdS> WHY doesn't it work with the OpenVPN server at work?
[08:29] <MooDoo> awilkins: your getting a laptop for free?
[08:29] <awilkins> No name : whats the issue?
[08:29] <awilkins> No name : they're replacing the one I have
[08:29]  * daubers drinks coffee
[08:30] <MartijnVdS> awilkins: "No name"?
[08:30] <awilkins> That's what's showing as your nick in my client
[08:30] <daubers> MartijnVdS: You are the man with no name...
[08:30] <MartijnVdS> I am!?
[08:30] <MartijnVdS> better?
[08:31] <MartijnVdS> awilkins: ^
[08:31] <DJones> it must be awilkins client, it shows fine as MartijnVdS for me
[08:31] <awilkins> No, but this is a crappy IRC client
[08:31] <awilkins> You're all No name
[08:31] <MartijnVdS> obviously ;)
[08:31] <daubers> \o/ we can throw insults without being identified
[08:31] <awilkins> N900 built in one
[08:31] <MooDoo> it's wierd as well awilkins as i see your password too, it's showing up as ******** ;) lol
[08:32] <MooDoo> daubers: i see you :) lol
[08:32] <daubers> MooDoo: Shhhhhhhh!
[08:32] <awilkins> Arrgh. Oh well, the crappy mobile coverage will override th crappy client soon
[08:34] <awilkins> Tunnel!
[08:36] <bigcalm[xoom]> Heh
[08:36] <awilkins> Now his name I see.
[08:38] <bigcalm[xoom]> I never thought that being without a internet connection would actually be depressing
[08:38] <christel> :o
[08:38] <MartijnVdS> Are there still dial-up BBSes? Try one of those ;)
[08:38] <bigcalm[xoom]> Goodness knows what I would feel like if I wasn't on medication
[08:39] <daubers> bigcalm[xoom]: Seriously, just change provider
[08:39] <daubers> Or get a USB mobile broadband dongle?
[08:40] <popey> bigcalm[xoom]: you're not complaining at VM enough ☺
[08:40] <daubers> bigcalm[xoom]: Go sit on their front door with a placard
[08:41] <bigcalm[xoom]> I have my phone, but I need it shared for my lan. 'Just change provider' is not an easy option
[08:41] <daubers> "Wantz interwebz plz!"
[08:42] <bigcalm[xoom]> If my router had a usb socket I would be able to do what pope has done
[08:42] <popey> bigcalm[xoom]: surely your phone can be an access point?
[08:43] <bigcalm[xoom]> popey: yes, but not all of my systems have wifi. For the one project I'm having to run 3 separate machines
[08:46] <bigcalm[xoom]> Running dd-wrt, can I connect the router to my phone via wifi and then distribute it via the wired connections?
[08:49] <czajkowski> popey: I am
[08:49] <czajkowski> popey: where are you?
[08:49] <popey> cool
[08:49] <popey> heading in shortly
[08:50] <czajkowski> sitting where I was before
[08:50] <czajkowski> well before I moved
[08:52] <bigcalm[xoom]|> Eta now set to 9am tomorrow.
[08:52]  * bigcalm[xoom]| goes to hang himself
[08:52] <bigcalm[xoom]|> But first, a cuppa tea
[09:29] <diplo> bigcalm[xoom], If they fail to get it working again, how about asking them to send you out a dongle FOC ? They are a provider now as well
[09:31] <JamesTait> Happy St David's Day, everyone!  I'm not about to attempt to type Welsh.... :D
[09:31] <MooDoo> Dydd Gwyl Dewi Hapus I Chi Gyd
[09:31] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: would you like to buy a vowel?
[09:32] <MooDoo> lol
[09:33] <dwatkins> heh, RS said they experienced 'the greatest level of demand RS has ever received for a product at one time'
[09:34]  * oimon is looking at windows8 preview - am i right in thinking, that's mainly the metro interface, and windows will still be the same if you actually want to use windows?
[09:35] <dwatkins> oimon: isn't that normally the case with Windows? I gather there were some improvements with Windows 7, but XP isn't hugely different as far as I'm aware.
[09:35] <oimon> i can only see metro interface being used in pc world
[09:36] <oimon> the metro stuff looks very touch friendly and not much else
[09:36] <oimon> (or xbox controller)
[09:47] <directhex> oimon, yes it's mainly metro
[09:47] <directhex> e.g. the metro start menu is the only start menu
[09:47] <directhex> all apps in the app store must be metro
[09:50] <oimon> directhex, what does that mean ?
[09:50] <oimon> "all apps in the app store must be metro"
[09:50] <directhex> oimon, the first icon in the start menu is for the microsoft app store
[09:51] <directhex> it only sells metro apps, i.e. fullscreen ones with a metro tile using the metro toolkits. not "real" windows apps running in desktop mode
[09:51] <gord> i need to replace my windows 7 start menu button with "steam.exe"
[09:51] <oimon> sounds like they are trying to reduce it to a tablet OS then
[09:54] <diplo> Aren't they also introducing a new FS with Win8 ?
[09:55] <hoover> morning all
[09:55] <hoover> diplo: don't think so... still NTFS
[09:55] <AlanBell> there is a new one
[09:55] <diplo> http://blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/archive/2012/01/16/building-the-next-generation-file-system-for-windows-refs.aspx
[09:55] <diplo> ReFS
[09:56] <diplo> let’s not forget that NTFS is by far the industry’s leading technology for file systems on PCs. :D
[09:57] <hoover> diplo: probably pure vapourware... they've tried before ;-)
[09:58] <diplo> yeah, well they were supposed to introduce with Vista if i remember correctly
[09:58] <diplo> So they have had a fair few years to get it right
[10:15] <oimon> windicators
[10:15] <oimon> woops, did i say that out loud?
[10:17] <oimon> i just discovered that the ability to lend kindle books is restrcited to US only :(
[10:18] <oimon> sucks a bundle. i thought that was a supported feature in the UK
[10:18] <oimon> my mum has three books to lend me. if she bougt them IRL (at the same price), she would be able to do that
[10:20] <mattt> seen a few people in here trying to get Linux industry experience
[10:20] <mattt> my employer has some very junior positions open, feel free to ping me directly if anyone's interested
[10:20] <mattt> (based in west london)
[10:22] <gord> (you'll be making the coffee ;))
[10:26] <oimon> my employer has some more experienced positions open too
[10:26] <mattt> gord: there may be some coffee making required :D
[10:26] <diplo> If only you all were more towards the SW :)
[10:26] <oimon> although requires an all rounder rather than exclusively linux
[10:28] <gord> i wonder if i could employ an unpaid intern to make me coffee...
[10:29] <mattt> gord: put it out there, you may get a bite
[10:29] <oimon> nespresso?
[10:30] <gord> "Joy entails going in to town, picking up some coffee to go and coming back. if the coffee is cold, you are fired"
[10:31] <mattt> they don't even have to make it?
[10:31] <mattt> should be no bother finding someone
[10:31] <gord> why would i trust my coffee quality to an unpaid intern?
[10:31] <gord> i want someone that is paid to make it
[10:32] <mattt> ha
[10:32] <mattt> the logic is there
[10:38] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[10:40] <MooDoo> morning
[10:41] <brobostigon> morning MooDoo
[10:45] <popey> Morning chaps
[10:45] <brobostigon> morning popey
[10:47] <mattt> morning
[10:47] <brobostigon> morning mattt
[10:53] <gord> weirdest thing is happening with my phone today... it keeps speaking japanese at me then when i pick it up to figure out why and unlock, it suddenly stops
[10:53] <MartijnVdS> gord: H4x0red?
[10:54] <gord> i doubt it, prolly just some application being weird
[11:14] <oimon> does anyone have problems unmaximising certain windows in unity? i can't get focus without a few clicks sometimes and drag to unmaxmimise stops too
[11:15] <davmor2> morning funksters
[11:15] <davmor2> no bigcalm
[11:15] <davmor2> morning MooDoo
[11:15] <davmor2> czajkowski: prod!
[11:16] <czajkowski> davmor2: good morning to you
[11:17] <gord> oimon, on what unity? O?
[11:17] <oimon> 11.10 gord
[11:17] <gord> weird
[11:17] <davmor2> oimon: nope just you
[11:17] <oimon> hurry up april
[11:18] <czajkowski> oimon: yes I cant unmaximise a terminal
[11:18] <czajkowski> I end up having to kill it
[11:18] <oimon> czajkowski, eww
[11:18] <oimon> sort of similar
[11:18] <czajkowski> cant find the min max boxes
[11:18] <oimon> although clicking a fw times gives me focus. doesn't always happen
[11:18] <oimon> czajkowski, yeah, nor the title
[11:19] <oimon> ok just got it in thunderbird.
[11:19] <oimon> clicking the panel doesn't work, but click the app works to gain focus
[11:19] <czajkowski> damit launcher crashed again
[11:19] <czajkowski> >:(
[11:19] <oimon> i have 2 screens
[11:19] <oimon> now it's behainvg again
[11:20] <oimon> czajkowski, have you disabled global menu?
[11:20] <czajkowski> nope it just happens and I can relaunch it and start again
[11:22] <gord> czajkowski, just the launcher crashed?
[11:22] <gord> are you guys using 2d?
[11:23] <czajkowski> gord: nope
[11:23] <czajkowski> gord: have to kill all apps that I had running to resrt them as they wont launch from the launcher
[11:24]  * mattt renames #ubuntu-uk to #ubuntu-uk-qa
[11:25] <czajkowski> mattt: um... this is what locoteams are for
[11:25]  * mattt sits back and gets lectured
[11:25] <czajkowski> gord: alt tabbing through the apps wont show all apps that have been launched if there is a crash after happening
[11:26] <czajkowski> mattt: nobody is lecturing just pointing out what the channel is for and not the need to set up another one
[11:26] <davmor2> czajkowski: he is aware of that one I showed him at the co working day
[11:26] <czajkowski> aye there are non loco channels
[11:27] <czajkowski> ubuntu-TEAM/PROJECT
[11:27]  * mattt got scolded
[11:27] <czajkowski> not ubuntu-ISO code for locoteams
[11:27] <mattt> czajkowski: i'm just kidding around, ignore me
[11:29] <popey>  /ignore mattt
[11:29] <popey> morning mattt ☺
[11:29]  * mattt herp derps popey
[11:31] <popey> gord: I had same thing
[11:31] <popey> czajkowski: just showed it to me, i frequently get a situation where some apps dont appear in my alt-tab
[11:32] <davmor2> popey: I have one app,  then a bit further down the line it will show more but never all,  as I say I showed gord at the co-working day the unity team are aware of it
[11:32] <davmor2> well at least according to gord they are :D
[11:51] <j0nr> ello folks
[11:52] <j0nr> When I send mail from my personal mail server to my work address, my work address quarantines it. Have I set up something wrong? I assume its something to do with certificates?
[11:53] <popey> does your work not tell you why it quarantined it?
[11:54] <popey> do you send you home mail via a smarthost or does it go direct?
[11:54] <popey> if direct thats probbaly why
[11:54] <popey> many mail servers mark mail from home IP addresses as spam
[12:03] <davmor2> j0nr: does your work user greylisting if so then your mail maybe spam purely because it isn't signed with a known key also
[12:07] <j0nr> mail is being sent from my VPS which is hosted by some company, so not at home.
[12:07] <j0nr> not sure whether thats smarthost or not
[12:08] <j0nr> and no, work just says it may contain a virus or be spam
[12:20] <popey> j0nr: does the header contain details of the score?
[12:21] <gord> payments through gandi are so weird - i bet at some point in that companies history someone said "hey, lets just make our own payment system"
[12:32] <j0nr> popey: X_Spam_Status score =0.1, require 5.0
[12:36] <diplo> So server is not making it spam, so it's your client ?
[13:12]  * oimon starts getting excited about cotton candy
[13:27] <diplo> popey, You about ?
[13:30] <directhex> https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=iNw2YcAK9Wc#!
[13:33] <diplo> directhex, What were you looking for to find that?!?!?!
[13:33] <diplo> :)
[13:36] <directhex> the internet is made of cats
[13:38] <diplo> :D
[13:50] <popey> diplo: ?
[13:50] <diplo> Wondering if you wanted Referral for Bitfolk that's all :)
[13:50] <diplo> Need your account name if you want it :)
[13:50] <popey> aww, thats kind of you
[13:50] <popey> ash
[13:51] <diplo> Well you have helped me out a fair few times over the last I don't know how + answered a few questions on bitfolk already
[13:51] <diplo> :D
[13:51] <diplo> kk ta
[13:53] <diplo> Also you running lucid on your VPS ?
[13:56] <oimon> often when maximising a window on my left screen, the right screen goes blank...any idea?
[13:57] <richardperkins> Afternoon all
[13:59] <popey> thanks diplo
[13:59] <popey> yes diplo
[14:18] <popey> aaaaaargh
[14:18] <popey> stabstabstab
[14:19] <davmor2> popey: I'm sensing some stress there.....
[14:19] <diplo> Bad afternoon ?
[14:19] <diplo> :P
[14:43] <popey> czajkowski:
[14:43] <popey>     _                                         _
[14:43] <popey>    / \__      _____  ___  ___  _ __ ___   ___| |
[14:43] <popey>   / _ \ \ /\ / / _ \/ __|/ _ \| '_ ` _ \ / _ \ |
[14:43] <popey>  / ___ \ V  V /  __/\__ \ (_) | | | | | |  __/_|
[14:43] <popey> /_/   \_\_/\_/ \___||___/\___/|_| |_| |_|\___(_)
[14:43] <popey>                                                 
[14:43] <jpds> ...
[14:45] <czajkowski> lit *&^%$£
[14:50] <matti> popey: Eh.
[14:50] <matti> popey: Its like top-posting... just don't :)
[14:50] <matti> :>
[14:50] <matti> Hi jpds
[14:53] <diplo> lol
[14:54] <DJones> Awe...Cat overs anybody? http://goo.gl/aqtE4
[14:58] <davmor2> popey: I second your Awesome,  and tag it Awesome on lp and assign czajkowski to the Awesome till she gets just how Awesome it is
[14:58] <popey> she's afk
[14:59] <davmor2> popey: I know but she come back a read it and hate us all the more :)
[14:59] <MooDoo> davmor2: who's awesome?
[15:00] <davmor2> MooDoo: Everything in czajkowski world it AWESOME!   you have Awesome sunset,  awesome sun rises, awesome buildings etc etc etc
[15:02] <davmor2> MooDoo: most of all there are lots of really AWESOME CATS! in czajkowski world :)
[15:02] <MooDoo> davmor2: so what you're saying is, is that czajkowski is awesome? with awesome sauce?
[15:02] <czajkowski>  /ignore :)
[15:03] <MooDoo> davmor2: WE LOVE AWESOME SO THEREFORE WE LOVE czajkowski :D
[15:03] <davmor2> MooDoo: something like that
[15:05] <davmor2> czajkowski, popey: what makes me smile is the word Awful is better than the word Awesome,  but you won't call something Awesome Awful
[15:05] <MooDoo> Awesomely Awful?
[15:11] <oimon> i like the word lameriffic
[15:11] <shauno> I can never figure out the horror/terror roots.  horror, horrible, horrific .. terror, terrible, terrific .. how did the last turn into a good thing?
[15:13] <oimon> proabably someone like me making up silly words
[15:13] <awilkins> New lappy has been delivered
[15:13] <MartijnVdS> awilkins: \o/
[15:13] <awilkins> It turns out to be a Thinkpad T420. I'm almost happy
[15:13] <awilkins> The keyboard is an odd geometry but I'll get used to it
[15:13] <MartijnVdS> what like dvorak?
[15:14] <awilkins> It's a bit more cramped than the old one
[15:14] <awilkins> Dvorak would be a different layout
[15:14] <awilkins> I've never  learned it ; it would be cool to change the layout but not the keycaps and annoy people
[15:15] <MartijnVdS> awilkins: just change the layout to something random :)
[15:15] <MartijnVdS> or with a dirty word somewhere ;)
[15:16] <shauno> I got told that's the 'right' way to do dvorak .. switch the layout, but not the keycaps
[15:17] <shauno> it's a really awkward layout for peeking at the keys, you do more damage than good like that
[15:26]  * bigcalm rolls back into the online world
[15:27] <DJones> Maybe they've fixed your disconenction problems as well
[15:28] <diplo> bigcalm, Just before you hit your data cap with T-Mobile as well
[15:28] <diplo> ?
[15:28] <bigcalm> diplo: thankfully
[15:29] <davmor2> bigcalm: you have T'interwebz
[15:29] <bigcalm> diplo: when I got the text message from T-mobile yesterday I went and set up a wifi hotspot on Hayley's phone so that she could stop using my bandwidth
[15:29] <bigcalm> davmor2: it is true!
[15:29]  * bigcalm sighs at the incoming emails
[15:29] <diplo> heh
[15:30] <davmor2> bigcalm: what's it like to have fast netz again
[15:31] <bigcalm> davmor2: I'm just happy to be using irc from a proper keyboard/screen again
[15:31] <bigcalm> Having a lack of connection did mean that I could sort of hide from clients for a while as well
[15:31] <bigcalm> Guess I should let them know I'm available again
[15:31] <diplo> Tomorrow.....
[15:31] <diplo> :)
[15:33] <DJones> bigcalm: Minecraft 1.2 has been released, maybe better getting your internet back on Monday :)
[15:33] <bigcalm> Damn it!
[15:33] <bigcalm> I forgot and have already sent an email to my boss saying I was back online
[15:33] <popey> oooo
[15:34] <DJones> ocelots, tame cats, iron golems and all
[15:34] <bigcalm> Yes, we need to upgrade the clients and server and decide if we're going to start from scratch again or not
[15:34] <bigcalm> I say we do
[15:34] <DJones> And jungle biomes
[15:35] <DJones> Maybe a vote in the minecraft channel
[15:42] <gordonjcp> "tame cats"
[15:42] <gordonjcp> I read that as "time cats" at first
[15:42] <MartijnVdS> The doctor's cat?
[15:42] <gordonjcp> there's not really any such thing as a tame cat
[15:43] <gordonjcp> "domesticated" dogs mean they respond to their owners as though they were all part of a pack
[15:43] <MartijnVdS> "domesticated" cats have their owners respond as if they were part of a pack :P
[15:43] <gordonjcp> "domesticated" cats show up at mealtimes
[15:44] <MartijnVdS> gordonjcp: and in winter when the heating is on :)
[15:46] <gordonjcp> yup
[15:47] <mattt> blah
[15:47] <mattt> worst thing about getting up at 6
[15:47] <mattt> i feel exhausted by 4 :-/
[15:48] <MartijnVdS> time for a run :)
[16:01] <czajkowski> davmor2: is beta one out ?
[16:01] <dwatkins> I wish I hadn't bothered getting up at 6am yesterday to watch the RS and Farnell websites die.
[16:02] <davmor2> czajkowski: Have you seen an announcement?  Until you do assume not ;)  I think it should be momentarily
[16:03] <czajkowski> davmor2: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2012/03/01/ubuntu-12-04-development-update-16/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=ubuntu-12-04-development-update-16
[16:04] <davmor2> czajkowski: Is that a release notice, no it's a developer update :P
[16:04] <czajkowski> davmor2: where would the relese notice go
[16:10] <czajkowski> gord: ping
[16:11] <gord> czajkowski, what up?
[16:12] <oimon> guys, is 12.04 beta 1 out today?
[16:12] <czajkowski> gord: is there a bug for the issue myself and popey mentioned earlier on when I max things and then cant find the buttons to minimise it or close it
[16:12] <oimon> :P
[16:12] <oimon> reenacting the "is it out yet" party
[16:14] <gord> czajkowski, not specifically, id suggest doing a search
[16:18] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Matthew Garrett] Not here - http://mjg59.livejournal.com/139653.html
[16:46] <CaMason_> Anyone know if there is an obvious way to enable 1Gb ethternet on a port?
[16:46] <CaMason_> the motherboard's NIC supports it, but it's only going at 100
[16:47] <bigcalm> How can you tell?
[16:47] <bigcalm> What's the other end of the cable plugged into?
[16:47] <CaMason_> a gigabit switch with a liight that says 1GBe under each port
[16:48] <CaMason_> booted to windows, they run at 1gbe
[16:48] <daubers> CaMason_: Is the cable cat 5e or better?
[16:48] <CaMason_> yes
[16:48] <daubers> sure?
[16:48] <daubers> What's it got written on it?
[16:48] <CaMason_> installed and fluke tested yesterday
[16:49] <daubers> what does ethtool say?
[16:50] <CaMason_> says link partner advertised only up to 100
[16:52] <daubers> and 1000baseT is in the supported link modes?
[16:53] <CaMason_> aha daubers you made me think! Someone was fiddling with the patch panel yesterday
[16:53] <CaMason_> the patch cord itself was cat5
[16:54] <CaMason_> thanks
[16:54] <daubers> There we go :)
[16:54] <CaMason_> all working now
[16:54] <diplo> Cat5 will do 1gb+ though won't it.. just not certified ?
[16:55] <CaMason_> not according to my switch's 1gbe light :)
[16:55] <diplo> Funnily enough I was going to ask this question when I got home
[16:55] <daubers> diplo: Not really
[16:55] <CaMason_> switched the cable and we're up to 1gb
[16:55]  * MartijnVdS has some Cat5 cables that do 1GB fine
[16:55] <MartijnVdS> but if your ports only have 4 conductors wired (123 6)
[16:55] <diplo> I've got a PC with 10.10 running it advertising 1GB, same switch my microserver same patch lead only doing 100
[16:55] <MartijnVdS> you're out of luck
[16:56] <daubers> diplo: I'd only ever use cat 5e or cat 6
[16:56] <MartijnVdS> diplo: at least it's not as bad as 10Base2 networks :)
[16:56] <daubers> cat 5 sucks
[16:56] <MartijnVdS> diplo: those were even more broken than gbit interop
[16:56] <diplo> Well yeah 5e more than 95%
[16:56] <diplo> Sorry guessed that was what everyone uses, I used to sell Data cable we only stocked 5e/6
[16:57] <diplo> Was just called cat5 :)
[16:57] <diplo> heh MartijnVdS - Just bought a Gig switch though.. rather get it working
[16:57] <diplo> Like the ethtool though daubers
[16:57] <MartijnVdS> I had a fun day with a bad cable last month
[16:57] <diplo> At least I can check tonight
[16:57] <MartijnVdS> (well, miswired connector)
[16:58]  * diplo has cable tester and over 1k of patch leads at home so should be ok
[16:58] <MartijnVdS> Laptop (gbit, auto-mdix) -> cable -> other bit of hardware: works fine
[16:58] <MartijnVdS> Switch -> cable -> other bit of hardware: HALP WHAT IS THIS
[16:58] <diplo> Got to find a place to dump these cables eventually
[16:58] <diplo> I don't want them
[16:58] <MartijnVdS> diplo: middle of the atlantic.
[16:59] <diplo> Get me there :)
[16:59] <MartijnVdS> diplo: take a plane to the US, open door halfway
[16:59] <diplo> Not sure the recycling centre will understand that I'm not a business
[17:00] <diplo> Just half inched them from my last work place when I used to do a lot of private jobs
[17:00] <diplo> Now do nothing and have lot's of left overs
[17:00] <popey> put them by a railway, a pikey will steal them
[17:01] <MartijnVdS> Melt them and sell the copper
[17:01] <diplo> But could also get done for littering..
[17:03] <diplo> <-- Off home \o/
[17:35] <kvarley> popey: What was the name of the small form factor PC you have?
[17:35] <popey> revo
[17:37] <bigcalm> Viglen MPC-L
[17:37]  * bigcalm sits on his hands
[17:38] <bigcalm> popey: which router do you have that you can plug a usb wifi dongle into it? I'm wondering if I can get my boss to buy me one as the router I have lacks a usb port
[17:39] <popey> netgear wndr 3700
[17:39] <bigcalm> Ta
[17:39] <bigcalm> How stable have you found it to be?
[17:40] <bigcalm> And is it dd-wrt or open-wrt you are using?
[17:42] <popey> i have dd-wrt on my day to day router
[17:42] <popey> and openwrt on the special backup one
[17:43] <bigcalm> I'm wondering if one could plug in a phone rather than a dedicated dongle
[17:43] <popey> I guess so, openwrt is very flexible
[17:43] <bigcalm> Shame I didn't consider the need of a USB port when I bought my Linksys router
[17:43] <gord> google hangouts is so nice, i might just sit on one all day long and let people come in and chat if they want
[17:45]  * bigcalm goes to harass gord
[17:45] <bigcalm> Or do I leave that until next week?
[17:45] <gord> bigcalm, canonical only hangout, so :P
[17:46] <bigcalm> Baka
[17:51]  * popey tries to guess the name of the hangout
[17:52] <popey> https://talkgadget.google.com/hangouts/extras/canonical.com/gord didnt work ☹
[17:52] <popey> Y U NO THERE
[17:52] <popey> bah, stupid webcam
[17:52]  * MartijnVdS needs a plugin for that?
[17:52] <MartijnVdS> oh and a webcam?
[17:52] <popey> yeah
[17:52] <popey> it will probably redirect non-canonical people to some other url
[17:53]  * MartijnVdS can't generate a webcam out of thin air
[17:53] <gord> INFILTRATOR
[17:53] <bigcalm> BWUHAHAHAHA
[17:54] <MartijnVdS> Works fine for me..
[17:54] <gord> what have you done popey :P
[17:55] <popey> MartijnVdS: url will be changed though
[18:32] <MartijnVdS> Hmm.. "Fakey McNotMyName", nice name :)
[18:55] <awilkins> 200 grand for billboards in London to urge people not to vote in a Tory mayor. Hahahahahah.
[19:03] <popey> choo choo!
[19:03] <Azelphur> it's the popey train \o/
[19:04] <davmor2> Azelphur: install "sl" and you can see the popey train
[19:05] <Azelphur> !info sl
[19:05] <Azelphur> lol
[19:06] <Azelphur> that's what we need, a smart terminal that corrects your spelling ala kupfer
[19:06] <davmor2> Azelphur: that's not what it does seriously install it and type it in
[19:07] <Azelphur> hahaha
[19:07] <Azelphur> that's random xD
[19:07] <awilkins> I wonder if HUD will cope with spellogisms
[19:07] <davmor2> awilkins: it does here ish
[19:08] <directhex> moo
[19:08] <bigcalm> directhex: happy with new lwg in minecraft? :)
[19:08] <directhex> bigcalm: i wrote minecraft off ages ago. you mean it's fixed now?
[19:08] <bigcalm> Or whatever the lib is called (I often forget)
[19:08] <bigcalm> directhex: I didn't have your problem, so no idea if it's 'fixed' or not
[19:09] <bigcalm> Awww poop
[19:09] <bigcalm> https://twitter.com/#!/jeb_/status/175205679680851968
[19:10] <directhex> for the love of...
[19:46] <MartijnVdS> Woo. Estimated delivery of my RPi: 23 _04_
[19:48] <diplo> evening all
[19:52] <MartijnVdS> \o diplo
[19:54] <bigcalm> Hullo
[21:09] <popey> evening all
[21:09] <popey> daubers: icybox arrived, works, thanks!
[21:21] <JGJones> Hey all - what do I need to remove (move) from my /home to "reset" my unity settings completely - .gconf, .gnome2 etc etc? - Have upgraded to 12.04 and wanted to ensure I have a "stock" session thanks!
[21:22] <JGJones> as obviously a few issues for me might be an carryon from previous version - ie I cannot shutdown/restart/log off from the user menu at all
[21:23] <daubers> popey: Cool :)
[21:28] <bigcalm> JGJones: create a new user and see what gets created
[21:29] <JGJones> bigcalm cheers...I dunno why I didn't think of that really. #blondemoment
[21:30] <bigcalm> :)
[21:36] <The_Fred> hello
[21:39] <The_Fred> how can i go about making my own list of recently started programs?
[21:39] <The_Fred> i use 10.04lts desktop[
[21:41] <AlanBell> The_Fred: that is what zeitgeist is all about
[21:51] <The_Fred> AlanBell, thanks
[21:54] <gordonjcp> so if I install 12.04 beta, that comes with HUD?
[21:54] <gordonjcp> is it on by default and can I turn it off?
[21:55] <AlanBell> yes, yes, yes
[21:55] <diplo> http://chzfailafterdark.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/i-need-of-these1.jpg
[21:55]  * diplo wants these for work
[21:55] <jacobw> does HUD actually work?
[21:56] <mgdm> diplo: a friend of mine had some of those, which marked things as "This is utter SH***", etc
[21:56] <diplo> AlanBell, to let you know as the other Alan isn't on. His tutorial worked a treat :)
[21:56] <mgdm> sadly, they don't tend to work with Basecamp
[21:56] <diplo> Much cleaner install than i did last time, think i made some booboos last time
[21:56] <diplo> heh, might have to search at work tomorrow for some
[21:57] <The_Fred> diplo, thats funny :-)
[21:57] <AlanBell> great diplo
[21:58] <diplo> Work all cleared up now, so I think it's time to learn how it works properly so I can explain to others
[21:58] <diplo> Recommend any basic docs rather than the full ones ?
[21:58] <diplo> Going to have a search tomorrow lunch time to see what I can find.
[21:59] <gordonjcp> hm, googling for "ubuntu 12.04 disable hud" just brings up a bunch of videos that bray on about how awesome the hud is
[22:00]  * DJones wonders if he's lost a month and whether its really April 1st http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-17222934
[22:01] <AlanBell> gordonjcp: ccsm, unity plugin, first option is "key to show the hud" just unbind it from alt and the world will suddenly fill with ponies and rainbows
[22:01] <gordonjcp> AlanBell: tbh I think I'll leave it until I get a new PC
[22:02] <gordonjcp> AlanBell: unless they've *drastically* reduced the requirements for Precise
[22:02] <AlanBell> is it a nasty celeron or something?
[22:03] <gordonjcp> AlanBell: 3GHz P4, 2G of RAM
[22:03] <gordonjcp> it does have Intel graphics though
[22:03] <AlanBell> that is older than an Atom right?
[22:03] <gordonjcp> uhm
[22:03] <gordonjcp> it's about five years old, I don't know if it's older than Atom
[22:04] <gordonjcp> anyway, on 11.10 it's just about usable barring the horrible graphics corruption
[22:04] <AlanBell> 1.6Ghz atom works great with the intel chipset, my dads 2Ghz celeron is a complete and utter mess
[22:04] <gordonjcp> on 12.04 it immediately hit 100% CPU on both cores, 100% RAM, 100% swap and ramped the fans up to full speed
[22:06] <AlanBell> yeah, treat yourself to something shiny
[22:06] <gordonjcp> won't be this year
[22:07] <gordonjcp> not at this rate anyway
[22:08]  * gordonjcp looks pointedly at The Cat With The Golden Arse
[22:18] <czajkowski> herrrro
[22:19] <bigcalm> Good evening
[22:20] <Azelphur> Can anyone recommend a reasonably good, cheap laptop/netbook for ~£100?
[22:20] <Azelphur> Bonus points if it can run minecraft
[22:25] <gordonjcp> man
[22:25] <gordonjcp> the Furry Alarm Clock has cost me in vet bills this month about as much as I paid to buy my car
[22:34] <gordonjcp> I mean admittedly it's like 300 quid but still
[22:55] <mattt> evening all
[22:55] <mattt> Azelphur: i'd not recommend any netbook, period.
[22:55] <Azelphur> haha
[22:55] <Azelphur> thing is you can't really seem to get laptops for that price with warranty
[22:56] <mattt> save up until you can get a proper laptop
[22:56] <mattt> that'd be my suggestion
[22:57] <Azelphur> not for me, neighbours want it lol
[22:58] <Azelphur> it's laptops for kids, so it's cheap
[22:58] <mattt> ah, ok
[22:58] <Azelphur> mainly for school work, but the young one wants minecraft more than sliced bread haha
[22:58] <Azelphur> so would be great if I could squeeze that on
[22:58] <popey> http://www.gumtree.com/laptops/kent
[22:58] <mattt> i have an msi wind which i've used a total of like once
[22:59] <mattt> the last time i tried booting it the thing went into a reboot loop
[22:59] <popey> http://www.gumtree.com/p/for-sale/laptop-asus/97201683
[22:59] <mgdm> I use my netbook quite a lot
[22:59] <popey> that looks half decent
[22:59] <jacobw> if its neighbors when why care about performance
[22:59] <Azelphur> popey: woa, that's really nice :o
[22:59] <Azelphur> popey: do you know if he'll ship? gravesend is a bit of a mission
[22:59]  * mgdm discovers Gumtree is a Tomcat webapp
[23:00] <popey> no idea, just random clicking
[23:00] <Azelphur> popey: haha needs a little bit repair because it don't turn on :P
[23:00] <Azelphur> that's why it's so good/cheap ;)
[23:00]  * Azelphur noses around gumtree, been nosing around ebay
[23:01] <popey> yeah, thouhgt it might be useful given its your region
[23:02] <Azelphur> gravesend is like ~60 miles away from here, hour drive at least :P
[23:02] <mattt> also, with my netbook i accidentally nuked the rescue partition :P
[23:02]  * Azelphur lives in the middle of nowhereland
[23:02] <mattt> so reselling it will be near on impossible
[23:03] <popey> nah
[23:03] <popey> people buy blank laptops all the time
[23:03] <popey> and use dodgy copies of xp to fill them
[23:03] <Azelphur> mattt: I only want Ubuntu, what's the specs?
[23:04] <mattt> Azelphur: let me see if i can dig it up
[23:04] <popey> i should get rid of wifes netbook
[23:04] <mattt> think it's this one: http://www.msimobile.com/level3_productpage.aspx?id=227
[23:04] <popey> Asus 1008HA, 4GB RAM, 120GB SSD
[23:05] <mattt> popey: why4?  sounds quite nice
[23:05] <popey> no need for it
[23:05] <popey> i have a thinkpad, she has a mbp
[23:05] <popey> kids could use it I guess
[23:05] <Azelphur> haha yea that is a nice netbook
[23:06] <popey> but they tend to use the imac in the kitchen mostly
[23:06] <mattt> Azelphur: i'll look at it over the weekend, but i tried powering it on before i moved and it wouldn't boot
[23:06] <popey> they both have eee 900's which are long in the tooth
[23:06] <popey> but they still watch iplayer on them amazingly
[23:06] <popey> frame rate is awful but they dont seem to mind
[23:06] <mattt> hahaha
[23:06] <mattt> how old are they?
[23:06]  * popey shakes his fist at flash
[23:06] <popey> sam is 5, sophie is 8
[23:07] <Azelphur> mattt: haha, it's probably ok I think they are mainly after stuff with a bit of warranty on it anyway
[23:07] <popey> might dig the netbook out and say they can share it
[23:07] <Azelphur> popey: reminds me of when my cousins kid came over, I vnc'd the tv so I could fire up iplayer for him and put on what he wanted to watch
[23:07] <Azelphur> and he preferred to watch it over VNC on my laptop, than on the TV XD
[23:07] <popey> hah
[23:08] <popey> you can get a brand new thinkpad for ~250 quid
[23:08] <mattt> yeah, which is why i'd recommend against a netbook :)
[23:08] <popey> core i5 too!
[23:09] <Azelphur> yea, but that's well outta their budget
[23:09] <popey> gumtree it is then
[23:09] <Azelphur> indeed :)
[23:10] <popey> http://ubuntuone.com/16mc9Ra73kEThQV1vGDbSG
[23:10] <popey> thats a very good price for what you get
[23:13] <Azelphur> popey: yea, their current laptop died because they spilt various drinks on it about 4 times
[23:13] <Azelphur> I doubt moms gonna want to fork out :P
[23:13] <popey> lenovos have a thing that guides drinks through the machine and not all over the mobo
[23:13] <popey> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7cvi00OZDM
[23:14] <Azelphur> fun :p
[23:14] <Azelphur> popey: the other one got dropped and screen cracked :P
[23:15] <gord> must test that out with someones thinkpad at next uds
[23:18] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jonathan Riddell] Kubuntu 12.04 LTS Beta 1 - http://blogs.kde.org/node/4542
[23:18] <mattt> popey: where is that lenova priced from?
[23:18] <mattt> *lenovo
[23:19] <Azelphur> popey: that gravesend guy has other listings, lots of laptops which conveniently don't turn on xD
[23:33] <zleap> is there a ubunt program equivelent to power point viewer
[23:33] <zleap> is there a ubunt program equivalent to power point viewer?
[23:33] <zleap> sorry just correcting spelling
[23:37] <mgdm> libreoffice?
[23:37] <zleap> i mean like powerpoint viewer is just a viewer,
[23:37] <mgdm> I would guess not
[23:37] <zleap> where as libreoffice impress is presentation software
[23:37] <zleap> ok
[23:38] <zleap> ok so rasp PI  + impress + tv  = ability to display stuff on a tv like a presentation with results / events / fixtures etc
[23:38] <zleap> which is what my local rugby club want,  just want to do this in as little memory as possible really
[23:38] <AlanBell> zleap: you can export a presentation from impress
[23:39] <mgdm> I've given up using Impress or whatever for presentations, I write them in HTML (well, Markdown, but converted to HTML) and then a full-screen browser
[23:39] <mgdm> might be one to consider
[23:39] <zleap> latex+beamer
[23:39] <zleap> could be anoter way
[23:39] <zleap> but it would have to be easy for club people to edit,   eitehr that I will teach the kids how to do it,  and they can help
[23:39] <mgdm> if you do it in HTML it can be hosted on a site and updated remotely (which may or may not be good)
[23:40] <zleap> ssh
[23:40] <zleap> i guess
[23:40] <AlanBell> zleap: try the flash, pdf and html exports from impress
[23:40] <zleap> so plug in ethernet and do it that way
[23:40] <zleap> ok
[23:40] <zleap> AlanBell, so using htmkl i just get it to load a new page every say 2 mins
[23:41] <AlanBell> I think it might do the transitions in the exported html if you put timings in the presentation
[23:41] <AlanBell> or it might not. It could do.
[23:41] <zleap> ah ok
[23:41] <zleap> will look in to it when i manage to get one
[23:41] <AlanBell> if it doesn't then file a bug :)
[23:41] <zleap> ok
[23:42] <zleap> all i need to do then is convince the club to buy one,
[23:42] <AlanBell> personally I think the raspberry pi is too interesting to stick on a wall
[23:43] <zleap> AlanBell, yeah,  but its better than having a huge pc sitting in the club house,
[23:43] <AlanBell> well I suppose now they have continuous production it doesn't matter
[23:43] <zleap> its a solution to what they want,  that is cheap
[23:43] <zleap> yeah,
[23:43] <Azelphur> where can you order the raspberry pi btw? I notice some people are ordering it but their site is all messed up
[23:44] <zleap> i will use it for programming and stuff at home,  i was just thinking about the rugby club
[23:44] <AlanBell> yeah, when they were doing a 10k run for the public then trying to do the educational runs it would be a bit wasteful, but now they are doing licensed production it is a nice cheap solution for interesting embedded things
[23:44] <zleap> i think it has lots of potential
[23:44] <zleap> in the right hands
[23:44] <AlanBell> Azelphur: two places, I ordered from Farnell
[23:45] <AlanBell> http://www.raspberrypi.org/ links at the bottom of the page
[23:45] <zleap> AlanBell, perhaps as i suggested before,  i can use it to run open areana server, whichfor this presentation thing, it could run that in the background so anyone at rugby clubwitha laptop canplay open arena via a local server
[23:45] <Azelphur> AlanBell: it only says register your interest now! ?
[23:46] <AlanBell> try the other one http://www.element14.com/community/groups/raspberry-pi
[23:46] <Azelphur> they both do :P
[23:46] <AlanBell> oh, so it does
[23:48] <AlanBell> I expect there will be more production soon
[23:49] <zleap> i think the are building to order
[23:49] <AlanBell> no, they are building to meet demand, which is slightly different
[23:49] <AlanBell> they can fund continuous production now
[23:49] <zleap> well hopefully i can take one of thse into this computer group i am starting and get a few more sales for em,  thats assuming some of the kids at the group don't already have one
[23:50] <AlanBell> and they have two licensed (and quite surprised) manufacturers
[23:50] <zleap> by the time it starts that is
[23:50] <zleap> iam off to bed anyway, nite all
[23:50] <AlanBell> lulz http://uk.farnell.com/
[23:51] <popey> haha, i have that usb hub
[23:51] <popey> its crap
[23:51] <AlanBell> two sleepy component stores for electricians just found themselves with a fast moving consumer item
[23:53] <popey> bed
[23:53] <popey> nn
[23:53] <AlanBell> night all o/