| snap-l | Updated the UGJ information to have the new venue | 00:55 |
|---|---|---|
| snap-l | http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-michigan/1526/detail/ | 00:55 |
| VisualAssassin | how do i check the version of ubuntu im running in the terminal? | 01:23 |
| snap-l | Blazeix: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/9058804/Eclipse%20Phase%20-%20RPG/PS%2B21000_EclipsePhase_3rdPrinting.pdf | 01:58 |
| snap-l | (and for anyone else who likes pen and paper RPGs) | 01:58 |
| Blazeix | thanks | 02:00 |
| snap-l | np | 02:01 |
| snap-l | Good morning | 11:38 |
| brousch | snap-l: you live about 2 miles from my sister. i will have to visit her saturday | 12:50 |
| rick_h_ | morning | 12:50 |
| brousch | you are correct sir | 12:51 |
| tjagoda | Lots of news about the new Windows 8 beta. | 12:55 |
| tjagoda | Apparently Server 8 also gets stupid metro tiles | 12:55 |
| tjagoda | /anger | 12:56 |
| snap-l | brousch: Is that a good thing? | 12:57 |
| brousch | it is good since i don't see her often | 12:57 |
| snap-l | whew. | 12:57 |
| brousch | actually i may see if she can watch my son and give my wife a day off | 12:57 |
| snap-l | Is your sone OK with 3 hour car rides? | 12:58 |
| snap-l | to and from? :) | 12:58 |
| brousch | yeah, we went to detroit twice last summer | 12:58 |
| brousch | and it's only 2.5 hours | 12:58 |
| brousch | zoo and science center | 12:58 |
| brousch | so this could work really well for me | 12:59 |
| brousch | snap-l: you want me to bring anything? West MI beer? Black licorice candy? | 13:04 |
| tjagoda | I want you to bring my an Ubuntu TV. | 13:07 |
| brousch | tjagoda: are you going? | 13:09 |
| brousch | and talk to the canonicoids in the room for that one :P | 13:10 |
| tjagoda | Am I going to where? | 13:11 |
| tjagoda | (I think I entered in the middle of this conversation) | 13:11 |
| brousch | tjagoda: to the ubuntu michigan global jam event on saturday | 13:12 |
| tjagoda | Oh, I dunno | 13:13 |
| tjagoda | I have a contractor working on the house, not sure if he'll be doing stuff on saturday actually | 13:14 |
| brousch | give him the day off | 13:14 |
| tjagoda | Do you think this is france, where every fourth workday is a vacation? =P | 13:15 |
| brousch | he is your employee. give him the day off | 13:15 |
| snap-l | brousch: Bring what you wish to bring | 13:27 |
| snap-l | we have a fridge | 13:27 |
| brousch | what do you lack that you would like to have there? :P | 13:27 |
| snap-l | What do we lack? | 13:28 |
| snap-l | Hmmm.... | 13:28 |
| snap-l | We lack a sugar daddy like Devos and Van Andel. | 13:29 |
| tjagoda | I have never met snap-l and had him summarily not be difficult. | 13:29 |
| tjagoda | Its probably why he likes linux. | 13:29 |
| snap-l | tjagoda: I'm just difficult around you because you love it so much | 13:30 |
| snap-l | brousch: Bring me their estates. You can keep them. | 13:30 |
| tjagoda | rofl | 13:30 |
| snap-l | bbiab | 13:31 |
| brousch | snap-l: you have quicken loans, automobile companies, and compuware | 13:31 |
| brousch | this gib person seems interesting | 13:42 |
| brousch | juno.com email address? juno seriously still exists? | 13:42 |
| rick_h_ | lol | 13:42 |
| brousch | and it sticks a botox ad in the email? | 13:43 |
| brousch | a linux user who tolerates this kind of thing must be fascinating | 13:43 |
| rick_h_ | adding a couple of vimbits: http://vimbits.com/bits/273 and http://vimbits.com/bits/272 | 14:04 |
| rick_h_ | plus appreciated :) | 14:04 |
| snap-l | I have to create an account? Bah | 14:20 |
| rick_h_ | :P | 14:21 |
| snap-l | My Google account is my passport. ;) | 14:26 |
| rick_h_ | I miss college: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=_sUeGC-8dyk | 14:27 |
| snap-l | I miss all of the people who wouldn't give me the time of day | 14:27 |
| snap-l | oh, wait, I can get that on IRC. ;) | 14:27 |
| snap-l | It's like I never left. | 14:27 |
| snap-l | (kidding) | 14:27 |
| snap-l | Actually, that was more high school than college. | 14:28 |
| rick_h_ | sorry stand up call. the time is 9:44am EST | 14:45 |
| rick_h_ | :P | 14:45 |
| snap-l | heh | 14:52 |
| snap-l | We're on God's time here | 14:52 |
| tjagoda | Somebody misses college? | 15:19 |
| tjagoda | feel free to come take my java programming course for me then =P | 15:19 |
| brousch | i wish we'd had java courses when i was in college | 15:21 |
| brousch | much easier than C and C++ | 15:21 |
| snap-l | brousch: No, no you don't. | 15:33 |
| tjagoda | I had both | 15:38 |
| tjagoda | C++ was easier. | 15:38 |
| brousch | pointers make me cry | 15:39 |
| brousch | i would rather punch myself in the testicles than manage my own memory | 15:39 |
| snap-l | public static void up up down down left right left right a b a b is soooooo much better. | 15:40 |
| snap-l | I'd rather read memory directly than have to cast every God-damn thing. | 15:40 |
| brousch | "Microsoft's cloudy platform, Windows Azure, is experiencing a major outage: at the time of writing, its service management system had been down for about seven hours worldwide." | 15:41 |
| krondor | MS just doesn't like leap years | 15:47 |
| krondor | the guy that worked on the zune leap year bug moved to the azure team | 15:47 |
| krondor | windows phone team didn't want him :| | 15:48 |
| brousch | that makes sense | 15:48 |
| snap-l | If only there were libraries to handle dates | 15:49 |
| snap-l | ;) | 15:49 |
| snap-l | Argh. | 16:04 |
| snap-l | Python is too clever sometimes. | 16:04 |
| snap-l | class Baz: | 16:04 |
| rick_h_ | oops | 16:04 |
| snap-l | def __init__(self, baz=[]): | 16:04 |
| snap-l | self.baz = baz | 16:04 |
| snap-l | a = Baz() and b = Baz() will both point to the same place | 16:05 |
| rick_h_ | - class Baz(object) [use new style classes] | 16:05 |
| snap-l | er, a.baz and b.baz | 16:05 |
| snap-l | OK | 16:05 |
| rick_h_ | - bzr=[] [never never never set a default to a mutable default] | 16:05 |
| snap-l | Feh | 16:05 |
| rick_h_ | baz=None | 16:05 |
| rick_h_ | if not baz: self.baz = [] | 16:05 |
| snap-l | OK | 16:06 |
| snap-l | I knew I was doing something stupid, but couldn't articulate it for Google. :) | 16:07 |
| snap-l | Thank you. | 16:07 |
| rick_h_ | yea, been there done that | 16:08 |
| rick_h_ | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6794285/python-function-remembering-earlier-argument-kwargs | 16:08 |
| snap-l | Yeah, I figured that's what it was doing | 16:09 |
| snap-l | "Hey, I already have a Baz-ified [], I'll just use that!" | 16:09 |
| rick_h_ | yea, eventually you have to figure out the quirks of mutable vs immutable types in python | 16:10 |
| snap-l | Hah. "Snakenet Metal Radio: Your source for going deaf on the Internet" | 16:10 |
| snap-l | On the plus side, I now know about id | 16:11 |
| rick_h_ | heh yea | 16:11 |
| jcastro | latest stackexchange podcast is pure gold | 16:12 |
| rick_h_ | jcastro: yea? /me goes to look | 16:12 |
| jcastro | jrwren: ^^^^ | 16:12 |
| jcastro | yeah so jeff is leaving and it's basically a summary of their history and what they learned | 16:12 |
| snap-l | (Stack Overflow is not another place to discuss tabs vs. spaces.) <- That's what Programmers.SE became. | 16:13 |
| jcastro | hah yeah | 16:13 |
| jcastro | but at least that stuff gets contained on programmers | 16:14 |
| snap-l | Sadly, my programmer.se score is higher than my SO score. | 16:14 |
| jcastro | hah | 16:14 |
| snap-l | the answer to two questions: | 16:14 |
| snap-l | What do you wish you learned in college: More C. | 16:14 |
| snap-l | Will I speed my compiles by using tabs vs. spaces: I will dragon-kick you in the neck. | 16:15 |
| snap-l | And jcastro, yes I can see Google Maps being replaced in a lot of places now that they've gone and upped the pricing | 16:17 |
| brousch | i am seeing people asking about alternative | 16:17 |
| nullspace | yawn | 16:18 |
| snap-l | fucking piwik | 16:18 |
| brousch | mapquest actually looks good. use their data or openmaps, drop in google api replacement, free unlimited community version | 16:18 |
| snap-l | They have a piwik bug on their page. | 16:18 |
| snap-l | Strange. I have a peak on my network where I was sending as much as I was receiving which was just shy of 6Mbps | 16:55 |
| snap-l | what's strange about that is my upload cap is 1Mbps | 16:55 |
| brousch | maybe wifi | 16:59 |
| brousch | sending inside the lan | 16:59 |
| brousch | dropbox lan sync? | 16:59 |
| snap-l | Over wan? Don't think so | 16:59 |
| brousch | interesting. the kindle app has registered itself a a pdf reader on my NC | 17:11 |
| brousch | it's a decent alternative to adobe | 17:11 |
| snap-l | I picked up ezPDF reader. | 17:12 |
| snap-l | It's OK. Seems to do a bit better on antialiasing than the built-in reader. | 17:12 |
| brousch | adobe reader stays zoomed in to the level i want when changing pages, but it also slides back and forth with my thumb | 17:13 |
| snap-l | shame that it doesn't register itself as the last thing you read, though. :) | 17:13 |
| snap-l | blergh, I hate that | 17:13 |
| brousch | kindle reader jumps back to full page view when changing pages | 17:13 |
| brousch | i want a zoom-and-lock funtion | 17:14 |
| brousch | zoom to these margins and keep them | 17:14 |
| brousch | oh baby. i just changed one setting and one color and my color scheme is even nicer | 17:17 |
| brousch | hawt | 17:17 |
| krondor | hmm, I just realized that imgur.com animates the favicon for animated gifs | 17:24 |
| krondor | didn't realize that was a thing | 17:25 |
| krondor | it apparently only works in FF http://i.imgur.com/qdgYU.gif | 17:26 |
| brousch | sounds annoying | 18:09 |
| snap-l | How's the Thurdsay so far? | 18:10 |
| snap-l | Thursday, even | 18:10 |
| brousch | lookin good | 18:14 |
| brousch | i'm all set for saturday | 18:14 |
| rick_h_ | meh | 18:14 |
| snap-l | rick_h_: meh? | 18:16 |
| rick_h_ | yea, thurs is meh | 18:16 |
| brousch | but you can use vim on android | 18:22 |
| brousch | that has to pump you up | 18:23 |
| brousch | snap-l: are you providing lunch saturday? | 19:22 |
| snap-l | brousch: WE can get pizza if you want | 19:23 |
| rick_h_ | lol | 19:23 |
| snap-l | I hadn't planned on any food, though | 19:23 |
| brousch | just wondering if i should eat beforehand | 19:23 |
| rick_h_ | jodee is going to make pie for everyone | 19:23 |
| brousch | ok, i'll grab something with G | 19:23 |
| brousch | ooooh, what kind of pie? | 19:23 |
| snap-l | brousch: Pizza pie | 19:23 |
| brousch | py pie | 19:24 |
| rick_h_ | your choice I heard | 19:24 |
| snap-l | Actually, I hadn't thought of it. | 19:24 |
| rick_h_ | I'm officially out | 19:24 |
| snap-l | and Perry's doesn't open until 4pm | 19:24 |
| rick_h_ | by the way :( | 19:24 |
| snap-l | rick_h_: Ugh, sorry to hear that. | 19:24 |
| brousch | booo | 19:24 |
| rick_h_ | gave it a shot, but dad is in town on his anuual trip and my wife let me know what a 'good son' would do | 19:24 |
| brousch | a good son would bring his dad along so they could bond over freedom? | 19:25 |
| snap-l | Yeah, cram him into the car and take him to a gathering of his nutty friends in cramped location. ;) | 19:25 |
| brousch | and so his dad could see what his favorite little guy does all day? | 19:25 |
| snap-l | brousch: (Somehow I don't think this is working) | 19:27 |
| brousch | gotta try you know | 19:27 |
| rick_h_ | heh | 19:28 |
| brousch | snap-l: don't worry about food. i'll grab lunch with my sister and son | 19:31 |
| snap-l | brousch: Well, we might get something | 19:34 |
| snap-l | not entirely sure | 19:34 |
| snap-l | but yeah, don't want G to get off schedule | 19:34 |
| brousch | he eats all day until 4PM, then he stops | 19:36 |
| brousch | have to shove dinner down his throat | 19:36 |
| brousch | hmmmmm http://lusob.com/2012/01/django-ide/ | 19:56 |
| rick_h_ | heh, awesome | 20:11 |
| brousch | wow, this isn't half-bad | 20:28 |
| brousch | you can actually edit the python files, templates, and css from right in the browser | 20:30 |
| brousch | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/101667/snapshot17.png | 20:33 |
| rick_h_ | brousch: cool | 20:33 |
| rick_h_ | now can multiple people pull up the same url at the same time? | 20:33 |
| rick_h_ | pairing? | 20:33 |
| brousch | not sure | 20:34 |
| rick_h_ | open it in FF and chrome :) | 20:35 |
| brousch | it let me open both and edit, but changes are not reflected automatically | 20:35 |
| rick_h_ | ok | 20:36 |
| rick_h_ | well curious, didn't think so but worth a test | 20:36 |
| brousch | actually i can't get the changes to come up at all on the second | 20:36 |
| rick_h_ | still chromebook friendly perhaps | 20:36 |
| brousch | ok, got the changes across | 20:38 |
| brousch | basically it lets you open one django app at a time. changes get synced when you leave that app in the editor | 20:38 |
| brousch | then last edit sticks | 20:38 |
| brousch | so you could have multiple people in there if they're working on different apps | 20:39 |
| brousch | also i don't see how to change application-level files like the root urls.py and settings | 20:41 |
| brousch | but a very interesting start | 20:45 |
| brousch | hm, he checked .pyc files into github. is that a bad sign? | 20:58 |
| snap-l | brousch: Punishment must be administered | 20:59 |
| brousch | also, no changes in 3 months | 20:59 |
| devinheitmueller | He's just making it more efficient (so you don't have to recompile the modules). :-) | 21:00 |
| brousch | riiiight | 21:00 |
| rick_h_ | brousch: no ~/.gitignore ?! | 21:06 |
| rick_h_ | fix your dotfils pls kthx | 21:06 |
| rick_h_ | brousch: should get you started http://paste.mitechie.com/show/554/ | 21:07 |
| brousch | i don;t like it. *.pyc is in there twice | 21:08 |
| Blazeix | you can never be too careful | 21:09 |
| rick_h_ | clearly :) | 21:10 |
| brousch | there, added a few http://paste.mitechie.com/show/555/ | 21:12 |
| brousch | now you won't be annoyed by pydev eclipse users | 21:12 |
| brousch | and the __pycache__ thing is from the newest python versions i think | 21:14 |
| tjagoda | Holy crap | 22:59 |
| tjagoda | haven't apt-get upgraded in a while | 23:00 |
| tjagoda | 495 MB of updates | 23:00 |
| rick_h_ | widox: ooh, you get mixins http://php.net/traits cool | 23:05 |
| tjagoda | Uhoh | 23:13 |
| tjagoda | "internal Error, no file name for libc6" | 23:13 |
| tjagoda | that can't be good. | 23:13 |
| greg-g | bah, who needs libc? | 23:18 |
| snap-l | tjagoda: Do an update | 23:42 |
| snap-l | apt-get update | 23:42 |
| tjagoda | that's what broke the lib | 23:46 |
| tjagoda | lol | 23:46 |
| tjagoda | apt-get -f dist-upgrade in combination with some dpkg seems to have fixed it | 23:46 |
| tjagoda | Whew | 23:50 |
| tjagoda | this is a very painful upgrade | 23:50 |
| tjagoda | shame on me for letting it get to be 6,000 miles long | 23:51 |
| snap-l | yes | 23:54 |
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