[00:55] <snap-l> Updated the UGJ information to have the new venue
[00:55] <snap-l> http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-michigan/1526/detail/
[01:23] <VisualAssassin> how do i check the version of ubuntu im running in the terminal?
[01:58] <snap-l> Blazeix: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/9058804/Eclipse%20Phase%20-%20RPG/PS%2B21000_EclipsePhase_3rdPrinting.pdf
[01:58] <snap-l> (and for anyone else who likes pen and paper RPGs)
[02:00] <Blazeix> thanks
[02:01] <snap-l> np
[11:38] <snap-l> Good morning
[12:50] <brousch> snap-l: you live about 2 miles from my sister. i will have to visit her saturday
[12:50] <rick_h_> morning
[12:51] <brousch> you are correct sir
[12:55] <tjagoda> Lots of news about the new Windows 8 beta.
[12:55] <tjagoda> Apparently Server 8 also gets stupid metro tiles
[12:56] <tjagoda>  /anger
[12:57] <snap-l> brousch: Is that a good thing?
[12:57] <brousch> it is good since i don't see her often
[12:57] <snap-l> whew.
[12:57] <brousch> actually i may see if she can watch my son and give my wife a day off
[12:58] <snap-l> Is your sone OK with 3 hour car rides?
[12:58] <snap-l> to and from? :)
[12:58] <brousch> yeah, we went to detroit twice last summer
[12:58] <brousch> and it's only 2.5 hours
[12:58] <brousch> zoo and science center
[12:59] <brousch> so this could work really well for me
[13:04] <brousch> snap-l: you want me to bring anything? West MI beer? Black licorice candy?
[13:07] <tjagoda> I want you to bring my an Ubuntu TV.
[13:09] <brousch> tjagoda: are you going?
[13:10] <brousch> and talk to the canonicoids in the room for that one :P
[13:11] <tjagoda> Am I going to where?
[13:11] <tjagoda> (I think I entered in the middle of this conversation)
[13:12] <brousch> tjagoda: to the ubuntu michigan global jam event on saturday
[13:13] <tjagoda> Oh, I dunno
[13:14] <tjagoda> I have a contractor working on the house, not sure if he'll be doing stuff on saturday actually
[13:14] <brousch> give him the day off
[13:15] <tjagoda> Do you think this is france, where every fourth workday is a vacation? =P
[13:15] <brousch> he is your employee. give him the day off
[13:27] <snap-l> brousch: Bring what you wish to bring
[13:27] <snap-l> we have a fridge
[13:27] <brousch> what do you lack that you would like to have there? :P
[13:28] <snap-l> What do we lack?
[13:28] <snap-l> Hmmm....
[13:29] <snap-l> We lack a sugar daddy like Devos and Van Andel.
[13:29] <tjagoda> I have never met snap-l and had him summarily not be difficult.
[13:29] <tjagoda> Its probably why he likes linux.
[13:30] <snap-l> tjagoda: I'm just difficult around you because you love it so much
[13:30] <snap-l> brousch: Bring me their estates. You can keep them.
[13:30] <tjagoda> rofl
[13:31] <snap-l> bbiab
[13:31] <brousch> snap-l: you have quicken loans, automobile companies, and compuware
[13:42] <brousch> this gib person seems interesting
[13:42] <brousch> juno.com email address? juno seriously still exists?
[13:42] <rick_h_> lol
[13:43] <brousch> and it sticks a botox ad in the email?
[13:43] <brousch> a linux user who tolerates this kind of thing must be fascinating
[14:04] <rick_h_> adding a couple of vimbits: http://vimbits.com/bits/273 and http://vimbits.com/bits/272
[14:04] <rick_h_> plus appreciated :)
[14:20] <snap-l> I have to create an account? Bah
[14:21] <rick_h_> :P
[14:26] <snap-l> My Google account is my passport. ;)
[14:27] <rick_h_> I miss college: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=_sUeGC-8dyk
[14:27] <snap-l> I miss all of the people who wouldn't give me the time of day
[14:27] <snap-l> oh, wait, I can get that on IRC. ;)
[14:27] <snap-l> It's like I never left.
[14:27] <snap-l> (kidding)
[14:28] <snap-l> Actually, that was more high school than college.
[14:45] <rick_h_> sorry stand up call. the time is 9:44am EST
[14:45] <rick_h_> :P
[14:52] <snap-l> heh
[14:52] <snap-l> We're on God's time here
[15:19] <tjagoda> Somebody misses college?
[15:19] <tjagoda> feel free to come take my java programming course for me then =P
[15:21] <brousch> i wish we'd had java courses when i was in college
[15:21] <brousch> much easier than C and C++
[15:33] <snap-l> brousch: No, no you don't.
[15:38] <tjagoda> I had both
[15:38] <tjagoda> C++ was easier.
[15:39] <brousch> pointers make me cry
[15:39] <brousch> i would rather punch myself in the testicles than manage my own memory
[15:40] <snap-l> public static void up up down down left right left right a b a b is soooooo much better.
[15:40] <snap-l> I'd rather read memory directly than have to cast every God-damn thing.
[15:41] <brousch> "Microsoft's cloudy platform, Windows Azure, is experiencing a major outage: at the time of writing, its service management system had been down for about seven hours worldwide."
[15:47] <krondor> MS just doesn't like leap years
[15:47] <krondor> the guy that worked on the zune leap year bug moved to the azure team
[15:48] <krondor> windows phone team didn't want him :|
[15:48] <brousch> that makes sense
[15:49] <snap-l> If only there were libraries to handle dates
[15:49] <snap-l> ;)
[16:04] <snap-l> Argh.
[16:04] <snap-l> Python is too clever sometimes.
[16:04] <snap-l> class Baz:
[16:04] <rick_h_> oops
[16:04] <snap-l>   def __init__(self, baz=[]):
[16:04] <snap-l>      self.baz = baz
[16:05] <snap-l> a = Baz() and b = Baz() will both point to the same place
[16:05] <rick_h_> - class Baz(object) [use new style classes]
[16:05] <snap-l> er, a.baz and b.baz
[16:05] <snap-l> OK
[16:05] <rick_h_> - bzr=[] [never never never set a default to a mutable default]
[16:05] <snap-l> Feh
[16:05] <rick_h_> baz=None
[16:05] <rick_h_> if not baz: self.baz = []
[16:06] <snap-l> OK
[16:07] <snap-l> I knew I was doing something stupid, but couldn't articulate it for Google. :)
[16:07] <snap-l> Thank you.
[16:08] <rick_h_> yea, been there done that
[16:08] <rick_h_> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6794285/python-function-remembering-earlier-argument-kwargs
[16:09] <snap-l> Yeah, I figured that's what it was doing
[16:09] <snap-l> "Hey, I already have a Baz-ified [], I'll just use that!"
[16:10] <rick_h_> yea, eventually you have to figure out the quirks of mutable vs immutable types in python
[16:10] <snap-l> Hah. "Snakenet Metal Radio: Your source for going deaf on the Internet"
[16:11] <snap-l> On the plus side, I now know about id
[16:11] <rick_h_> heh yea
[16:12] <jcastro> latest stackexchange podcast is pure gold
[16:12] <rick_h_> jcastro: yea? /me goes to look
[16:12] <jcastro> jrwren: ^^^^
[16:12] <jcastro> yeah so jeff is leaving and it's basically a summary of their history and what they learned
[16:13] <snap-l> (Stack Overflow is not another place to discuss tabs vs. spaces.) <- That's what Programmers.SE became.
[16:13] <jcastro> hah yeah
[16:14] <jcastro> but at least that stuff gets contained on programmers
[16:14] <snap-l> Sadly, my programmer.se score is higher than my SO score.
[16:14] <jcastro> hah
[16:14] <snap-l> the answer to two questions:
[16:14] <snap-l> What do you wish you learned in college: More C.
[16:15] <snap-l> Will I speed my compiles by using tabs vs. spaces: I will dragon-kick you in the neck.
[16:17] <snap-l> And jcastro, yes I can see Google Maps being replaced in a lot of places now that they've gone and upped the pricing
[16:17] <brousch> i am seeing people asking about alternative
[16:18] <nullspace> yawn
[16:18] <snap-l> fucking piwik
[16:18] <brousch> mapquest actually looks good. use their data or openmaps, drop in google api replacement, free unlimited community version
[16:18] <snap-l> They have a piwik bug on their page.
[16:55] <snap-l> Strange. I have a peak on my network where I was sending as much as I was receiving which was just shy of 6Mbps
[16:55] <snap-l> what's strange about that is my upload cap is 1Mbps
[16:59] <brousch> maybe wifi
[16:59] <brousch> sending inside the lan
[16:59] <brousch> dropbox lan sync?
[16:59] <snap-l> Over wan? Don't think so
[17:11] <brousch> interesting. the kindle app has registered itself a a pdf reader on my NC
[17:11] <brousch> it's a decent alternative to adobe
[17:12] <snap-l> I picked up ezPDF reader.
[17:12] <snap-l> It's OK. Seems to do a bit better on antialiasing than the built-in reader.
[17:13] <brousch> adobe reader stays zoomed in to the level i want when changing pages, but it also slides back and forth with my thumb
[17:13] <snap-l> shame that it doesn't register itself as the last thing you read, though. :)
[17:13] <snap-l> blergh, I hate that
[17:13] <brousch> kindle reader jumps back to full page view when changing pages
[17:14] <brousch> i want a zoom-and-lock funtion
[17:14] <brousch> zoom to these margins and keep them
[17:17] <brousch> oh baby. i just changed one setting and one color and my color scheme is even nicer
[17:17] <brousch> hawt
[17:24] <krondor> hmm, I just realized that imgur.com animates the favicon for animated gifs
[17:25] <krondor> didn't realize that was a thing
[17:26] <krondor> it apparently only works in FF http://i.imgur.com/qdgYU.gif
[18:09] <brousch> sounds annoying
[18:10] <snap-l> How's the Thurdsay so far?
[18:10] <snap-l> Thursday, even
[18:14] <brousch> lookin good
[18:14] <brousch> i'm all set for saturday
[18:14] <rick_h_> meh
[18:16] <snap-l> rick_h_: meh?
[18:16] <rick_h_> yea, thurs is meh
[18:22] <brousch> but you can use vim on android
[18:23] <brousch> that has to pump you up
[19:22] <brousch> snap-l: are you providing lunch saturday?
[19:23] <snap-l> brousch: WE can get pizza if you want
[19:23] <rick_h_> lol
[19:23] <snap-l> I hadn't planned on any food, though
[19:23] <brousch> just wondering if i should eat beforehand
[19:23] <rick_h_> jodee is going to make pie for everyone
[19:23] <brousch> ok, i'll grab something with G
[19:23] <brousch> ooooh, what kind of pie?
[19:23] <snap-l> brousch: Pizza pie
[19:24] <brousch> py pie
[19:24] <rick_h_> your choice I heard
[19:24] <snap-l> Actually, I hadn't thought of it.
[19:24] <rick_h_> I'm officially out
[19:24] <snap-l> and Perry's doesn't open until 4pm
[19:24] <rick_h_> by the way :(
[19:24] <snap-l> rick_h_: Ugh, sorry to hear that.
[19:24] <brousch> booo
[19:24] <rick_h_> gave it a shot, but dad is in town on his anuual trip and my wife let me know what a 'good son' would do
[19:25] <brousch> a good son would bring his dad along so they could bond over freedom?
[19:25] <snap-l> Yeah, cram him into the car and take him to a gathering of his nutty friends in cramped location. ;)
[19:25] <brousch> and so his dad could see what his favorite little guy does all day?
[19:27] <snap-l> brousch: (Somehow I don't think this is working)
[19:27] <brousch> gotta try you know
[19:28] <rick_h_> heh
[19:31] <brousch> snap-l: don't worry about food. i'll grab lunch with my sister and son
[19:34] <snap-l> brousch: Well, we might get something
[19:34] <snap-l> not entirely sure
[19:34] <snap-l> but yeah, don't want G to get off schedule
[19:36] <brousch> he eats all day until 4PM, then he stops
[19:36] <brousch> have to shove dinner down his throat
[19:56] <brousch> hmmmmm http://lusob.com/2012/01/django-ide/
[20:11] <rick_h_> heh, awesome
[20:28] <brousch> wow, this isn't half-bad
[20:30] <brousch> you can actually edit the python files, templates, and css from right in the browser
[20:33] <brousch> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/101667/snapshot17.png
[20:33] <rick_h_> brousch: cool
[20:33] <rick_h_> now can multiple people pull up the same url at the same time?
[20:33] <rick_h_> pairing?
[20:34] <brousch> not sure
[20:35] <rick_h_> open it in FF and chrome :)
[20:35] <brousch> it let me open both and edit, but changes are not reflected automatically
[20:36] <rick_h_> ok
[20:36] <rick_h_> well curious, didn't think so but worth a test
[20:36] <brousch> actually i can't get the changes to come up at all on the second
[20:36] <rick_h_> still chromebook friendly perhaps
[20:38] <brousch> ok, got the changes across
[20:38] <brousch> basically it lets you open one django app at a time. changes get synced when you leave that app in the editor
[20:38] <brousch> then last edit sticks
[20:39] <brousch> so you could have multiple people in there if they're working on different apps
[20:41] <brousch> also i don't see how to change application-level files like the root urls.py and settings
[20:45] <brousch> but a very interesting start
[20:58] <brousch> hm, he checked .pyc files into github. is that a bad sign?
[20:59] <snap-l> brousch: Punishment must be administered
[20:59] <brousch> also, no changes in 3 months
[21:00] <devinheitmueller> He's just making it more efficient (so you don't have to recompile the modules).  :-)
[21:00] <brousch> riiiight
[21:06] <rick_h_> brousch: no ~/.gitignore ?!
[21:06] <rick_h_> fix your dotfils pls kthx
[21:07] <rick_h_> brousch: should get you started http://paste.mitechie.com/show/554/
[21:08] <brousch> i don;t like it. *.pyc is in there twice
[21:09] <Blazeix> you can never be too careful
[21:10] <rick_h_> clearly :)
[21:12] <brousch> there, added a few http://paste.mitechie.com/show/555/
[21:12] <brousch> now you won't be annoyed by pydev eclipse users
[21:14] <brousch> and the __pycache__ thing is from the newest python versions i think
[22:59] <tjagoda> Holy crap
[23:00] <tjagoda> haven't apt-get upgraded in a while
[23:00] <tjagoda> 495 MB of updates
[23:05] <rick_h_> widox: ooh, you get mixins http://php.net/traits cool
[23:13] <tjagoda> Uhoh
[23:13] <tjagoda> "internal Error, no file name for libc6"
[23:13] <tjagoda> that can't be good.
[23:18] <greg-g> bah, who needs libc?
[23:42] <snap-l> tjagoda: Do an update
[23:42] <snap-l> apt-get update
[23:46] <tjagoda> that's what broke the lib
[23:46] <tjagoda> lol
[23:46] <tjagoda> apt-get -f dist-upgrade in combination with some dpkg seems to have fixed it
[23:50] <tjagoda> Whew
[23:50] <tjagoda> this is a very painful upgrade
[23:51] <tjagoda> shame on me for letting it get to be 6,000 miles long
[23:54] <snap-l> yes