[00:55] Updated the UGJ information to have the new venue [00:55] http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-michigan/1526/detail/ [01:23] how do i check the version of ubuntu im running in the terminal? [01:58] Blazeix: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/9058804/Eclipse%20Phase%20-%20RPG/PS%2B21000_EclipsePhase_3rdPrinting.pdf [01:58] (and for anyone else who likes pen and paper RPGs) [02:00] thanks [02:01] np [11:38] Good morning [12:50] snap-l: you live about 2 miles from my sister. i will have to visit her saturday [12:50] morning [12:51] you are correct sir [12:55] Lots of news about the new Windows 8 beta. [12:55] Apparently Server 8 also gets stupid metro tiles [12:56] /anger [12:57] brousch: Is that a good thing? [12:57] it is good since i don't see her often [12:57] whew. [12:57] actually i may see if she can watch my son and give my wife a day off [12:58] Is your sone OK with 3 hour car rides? [12:58] to and from? :) [12:58] yeah, we went to detroit twice last summer [12:58] and it's only 2.5 hours [12:58] zoo and science center [12:59] so this could work really well for me [13:04] snap-l: you want me to bring anything? West MI beer? Black licorice candy? [13:07] I want you to bring my an Ubuntu TV. [13:09] tjagoda: are you going? [13:10] and talk to the canonicoids in the room for that one :P [13:11] Am I going to where? [13:11] (I think I entered in the middle of this conversation) [13:12] tjagoda: to the ubuntu michigan global jam event on saturday [13:13] Oh, I dunno [13:14] I have a contractor working on the house, not sure if he'll be doing stuff on saturday actually [13:14] give him the day off [13:15] Do you think this is france, where every fourth workday is a vacation? =P [13:15] he is your employee. give him the day off [13:27] brousch: Bring what you wish to bring [13:27] we have a fridge [13:27] what do you lack that you would like to have there? :P [13:28] What do we lack? [13:28] Hmmm.... [13:29] We lack a sugar daddy like Devos and Van Andel. [13:29] I have never met snap-l and had him summarily not be difficult. [13:29] Its probably why he likes linux. [13:30] tjagoda: I'm just difficult around you because you love it so much [13:30] brousch: Bring me their estates. You can keep them. [13:30] rofl [13:31] bbiab [13:31] snap-l: you have quicken loans, automobile companies, and compuware [13:42] this gib person seems interesting [13:42] juno.com email address? juno seriously still exists? [13:42] lol [13:43] and it sticks a botox ad in the email? [13:43] a linux user who tolerates this kind of thing must be fascinating [14:04] adding a couple of vimbits: http://vimbits.com/bits/273 and http://vimbits.com/bits/272 [14:04] plus appreciated :) [14:20] I have to create an account? Bah [14:21] :P [14:26] My Google account is my passport. ;) [14:27] I miss college: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=_sUeGC-8dyk [14:27] I miss all of the people who wouldn't give me the time of day [14:27] oh, wait, I can get that on IRC. ;) [14:27] It's like I never left. [14:27] (kidding) [14:28] Actually, that was more high school than college. [14:45] sorry stand up call. the time is 9:44am EST [14:45] :P [14:52] heh [14:52] We're on God's time here [15:19] Somebody misses college? [15:19] feel free to come take my java programming course for me then =P [15:21] i wish we'd had java courses when i was in college [15:21] much easier than C and C++ [15:33] brousch: No, no you don't. [15:38] I had both [15:38] C++ was easier. [15:39] pointers make me cry [15:39] i would rather punch myself in the testicles than manage my own memory [15:40] public static void up up down down left right left right a b a b is soooooo much better. [15:40] I'd rather read memory directly than have to cast every God-damn thing. [15:41] "Microsoft's cloudy platform, Windows Azure, is experiencing a major outage: at the time of writing, its service management system had been down for about seven hours worldwide." [15:47] MS just doesn't like leap years [15:47] the guy that worked on the zune leap year bug moved to the azure team [15:48] windows phone team didn't want him :| [15:48] that makes sense [15:49] If only there were libraries to handle dates [15:49] ;) [16:04] Argh. [16:04] Python is too clever sometimes. [16:04] class Baz: [16:04] oops [16:04] def __init__(self, baz=[]): [16:04] self.baz = baz [16:05] a = Baz() and b = Baz() will both point to the same place [16:05] - class Baz(object) [use new style classes] [16:05] er, a.baz and b.baz [16:05] OK [16:05] - bzr=[] [never never never set a default to a mutable default] [16:05] Feh [16:05] baz=None [16:05] if not baz: self.baz = [] [16:06] OK [16:07] I knew I was doing something stupid, but couldn't articulate it for Google. :) [16:07] Thank you. [16:08] yea, been there done that [16:08] http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6794285/python-function-remembering-earlier-argument-kwargs [16:09] Yeah, I figured that's what it was doing [16:09] "Hey, I already have a Baz-ified [], I'll just use that!" [16:10] yea, eventually you have to figure out the quirks of mutable vs immutable types in python [16:10] Hah. "Snakenet Metal Radio: Your source for going deaf on the Internet" [16:11] On the plus side, I now know about id [16:11] heh yea [16:12] latest stackexchange podcast is pure gold [16:12] jcastro: yea? /me goes to look [16:12] jrwren: ^^^^ [16:12] yeah so jeff is leaving and it's basically a summary of their history and what they learned [16:13] (Stack Overflow is not another place to discuss tabs vs. spaces.) <- That's what Programmers.SE became. [16:13] hah yeah [16:14] but at least that stuff gets contained on programmers [16:14] Sadly, my programmer.se score is higher than my SO score. [16:14] hah [16:14] the answer to two questions: [16:14] What do you wish you learned in college: More C. [16:15] Will I speed my compiles by using tabs vs. spaces: I will dragon-kick you in the neck. [16:17] And jcastro, yes I can see Google Maps being replaced in a lot of places now that they've gone and upped the pricing [16:17] i am seeing people asking about alternative [16:18] yawn [16:18] fucking piwik [16:18] mapquest actually looks good. use their data or openmaps, drop in google api replacement, free unlimited community version [16:18] They have a piwik bug on their page. [16:55] Strange. I have a peak on my network where I was sending as much as I was receiving which was just shy of 6Mbps [16:55] what's strange about that is my upload cap is 1Mbps [16:59] maybe wifi [16:59] sending inside the lan [16:59] dropbox lan sync? [16:59] Over wan? Don't think so [17:11] interesting. the kindle app has registered itself a a pdf reader on my NC [17:11] it's a decent alternative to adobe [17:12] I picked up ezPDF reader. [17:12] It's OK. Seems to do a bit better on antialiasing than the built-in reader. [17:13] adobe reader stays zoomed in to the level i want when changing pages, but it also slides back and forth with my thumb [17:13] shame that it doesn't register itself as the last thing you read, though. :) [17:13] blergh, I hate that [17:13] kindle reader jumps back to full page view when changing pages [17:14] i want a zoom-and-lock funtion [17:14] zoom to these margins and keep them [17:17] oh baby. i just changed one setting and one color and my color scheme is even nicer [17:17] hawt [17:24] hmm, I just realized that imgur.com animates the favicon for animated gifs [17:25] didn't realize that was a thing [17:26] it apparently only works in FF http://i.imgur.com/qdgYU.gif [18:09] sounds annoying [18:10] How's the Thurdsay so far? [18:10] Thursday, even [18:14] lookin good [18:14] i'm all set for saturday [18:14] meh [18:16] rick_h_: meh? [18:16] yea, thurs is meh [18:22] but you can use vim on android [18:23] that has to pump you up [19:22] snap-l: are you providing lunch saturday? [19:23] brousch: WE can get pizza if you want [19:23] lol [19:23] I hadn't planned on any food, though [19:23] just wondering if i should eat beforehand [19:23] jodee is going to make pie for everyone [19:23] ok, i'll grab something with G [19:23] ooooh, what kind of pie? [19:23] brousch: Pizza pie [19:24] py pie [19:24] your choice I heard [19:24] Actually, I hadn't thought of it. [19:24] I'm officially out [19:24] and Perry's doesn't open until 4pm [19:24] by the way :( [19:24] rick_h_: Ugh, sorry to hear that. [19:24] booo [19:24] gave it a shot, but dad is in town on his anuual trip and my wife let me know what a 'good son' would do [19:25] a good son would bring his dad along so they could bond over freedom? [19:25] Yeah, cram him into the car and take him to a gathering of his nutty friends in cramped location. ;) [19:25] and so his dad could see what his favorite little guy does all day? [19:27] brousch: (Somehow I don't think this is working) [19:27] gotta try you know [19:28] heh [19:31] snap-l: don't worry about food. i'll grab lunch with my sister and son [19:34] brousch: Well, we might get something [19:34] not entirely sure [19:34] but yeah, don't want G to get off schedule [19:36] he eats all day until 4PM, then he stops [19:36] have to shove dinner down his throat [19:56] hmmmmm http://lusob.com/2012/01/django-ide/ [20:11] heh, awesome [20:28] wow, this isn't half-bad [20:30] you can actually edit the python files, templates, and css from right in the browser [20:33] http://dl.dropbox.com/u/101667/snapshot17.png [20:33] brousch: cool [20:33] now can multiple people pull up the same url at the same time? [20:33] pairing? [20:34] not sure [20:35] open it in FF and chrome :) [20:35] it let me open both and edit, but changes are not reflected automatically [20:36] ok [20:36] well curious, didn't think so but worth a test [20:36] actually i can't get the changes to come up at all on the second [20:36] still chromebook friendly perhaps [20:38] ok, got the changes across [20:38] basically it lets you open one django app at a time. changes get synced when you leave that app in the editor [20:38] then last edit sticks [20:39] so you could have multiple people in there if they're working on different apps [20:41] also i don't see how to change application-level files like the root urls.py and settings [20:45] but a very interesting start [20:58] hm, he checked .pyc files into github. is that a bad sign? [20:59] brousch: Punishment must be administered [20:59] also, no changes in 3 months [21:00] He's just making it more efficient (so you don't have to recompile the modules). :-) [21:00] riiiight [21:06] brousch: no ~/.gitignore ?! [21:06] fix your dotfils pls kthx [21:07] brousch: should get you started http://paste.mitechie.com/show/554/ [21:08] i don;t like it. *.pyc is in there twice [21:09] you can never be too careful [21:10] clearly :) [21:12] there, added a few http://paste.mitechie.com/show/555/ [21:12] now you won't be annoyed by pydev eclipse users [21:14] and the __pycache__ thing is from the newest python versions i think [22:59] Holy crap [23:00] haven't apt-get upgraded in a while [23:00] 495 MB of updates [23:05] widox: ooh, you get mixins http://php.net/traits cool [23:13] Uhoh [23:13] "internal Error, no file name for libc6" [23:13] that can't be good. [23:18] bah, who needs libc? [23:42] tjagoda: Do an update [23:42] apt-get update [23:46] that's what broke the lib [23:46] lol [23:46] apt-get -f dist-upgrade in combination with some dpkg seems to have fixed it [23:50] Whew [23:50] this is a very painful upgrade [23:51] shame on me for letting it get to be 6,000 miles long [23:54] yes