[03:43] <pleia2> knome: updated the pad (quick question about wording of the first item) and created a draft in wordpress for the announcement (linked in pad, just log in to see)
[03:44] <pleia2> testing people: any "known issues" we should include in the announcement?
[03:45] <Unit193> Last I knew Ubiquity was off color.
[03:45] <Unit193> When is that going up?
[03:46] <pleia2> at release
[03:48] <Unit193> Yeah, don't know when that one is. :P
[03:49] <pleia2> no one does :)
[03:49] <pleia2> some time on March 1st
[04:27] <pleia2> 1010-xubuntu-icon.svg has failed to upload due to an error Sorry, this file type is not permitted for security reasons.
[04:27] <pleia2> oh wordpress :\
[04:57] <Unit193> Did you happen to see my comment last night? :P
[09:28] <mr_pouit> micahg: no, it's not possible :/
[09:50] <micahg> mr_pouit: ok, so, for 12.10, we'll either have to fight for the gtk2 indicators to remain or fork the code :-/
[09:57] <mr_pouit> yep, we'll probably have to fork+reintroduce gtk2 packages
[09:59] <mr_pouit> (just reading the latest mail from ted on devel confirms that we don't use the same ubuntu archive anyway)
[10:01] <micahg> heh, I need to respond to that one still
[10:01] <mr_pouit> slangasek already responded that the idea was insane for universe anyway
[10:02] <micahg> yeah, as did doko, but I want to address the indicator point specifically
[10:02] <micahg> we're stuck until at least 13.04 as is Ubuntu Studio
[10:03] <mr_pouit> we already knew that they'd drop gtk2 support eventually
[10:03] <mr_pouit> I'm glad it's still in precise
[10:03] <micahg> yeah, but if we can keep it through 12.10, I'd be happy
[10:03] <micahg> well, gtk2 is still in main for precise :), might not be there for 12.10 though
[10:04] <micahg> for 13.04 I think we need to jump to 4.11.x regardless of the release date (unless they're not planning it until 2014)
[10:05] <mr_pouit> (I'm afraid that it might be as usual, meaning not ready for 14.04)
[10:05] <micahg> well, 4.10 should be next month (hopeful)
[10:43] <nelson8874> hello
[10:46] <nelson8874> I need to slow down my mouse. How can i do that?
[14:38] <Riddell> more tests needed for beta 1 http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/208/builds
[14:39] <Riddell> knome ^^
[14:41] <skaet> pleia2, pasi, madnick - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/TechnicalOverview needs a scrub for Xubuntu - can some take a pass at it?
[14:42] <skaet> knome ^
[15:29] <G__81> hi everyone installed xubuntu for the first time and its really cool. I have used xfce in fedora but i see a big difference with xubuntu compared to fedora. Great work
[15:29] <G__81> i am interested in contributing and being part of the team. Whats the starting point
[16:12] <knome> skaet, sorry, http://pastebin.com/Vciq0t7U should be it
[16:14] <knome> Riddell, we need how many more tests - and do we need them today?
[16:15] <Riddell> knome: we are releasing in the next hour or three, I don't know how many you'd need to look at the your entries on the iso tracker
[16:16] <knome> do we need one of each, or 5/5 etc?
[16:16] <Riddell> paste.kde.org || paste.ubuntu.com >> pastebin
[16:16] <Riddell> the ones marked "Mandatory" should be done but skaet will have the final decision
[16:17] <knome> skaet, can you elaborate?
[16:22] <skaet> knome,   if you don't believe the tests should be mandatory,  please review and update the tests before beta 2.
[16:24] <knome> skaet, will do that. what about beta1 release, do you feel comfortable in releasing us, or would you need some more tests?
[16:24] <knome>  i mean, i could maybe do one or two, depending when you'll release
[16:24] <skaet> knome,   if there are some tests done in the prior spins,  and you have confidence the images are good to ship and won't cause your users too many problems they can't recover from,  we can look at releasing.
[16:24] <skaet> knome,  its what you think is safe and good for the xubuntu community too. 
[16:25] <knome> afaik, there hasn't been any major issues - how do i check the tests for prior spins then?
[16:25] <skaet> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/208/history
[16:26] <knome> Unit193, you online?
[16:27]  * knome gets some painkillers
[17:11] <knome> one test more done
[17:11] <knome> skaet, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/TechnicalOverview is updated
[17:14] <skaet> knome,  thanks.    how goes testing?
[17:15] <knome> i'm running another test now, and holstein is running one more
[17:17] <pleia2> Unit193: can you submit a bug report https://bugs.launchpad.net/xubuntu-website for a feature request (re: screenshots), busy time for me right now so it's hard for me to keep track of things mentioned in irc
[17:18] <knome> G__81, joining this channel is a good start :)
[17:18] <knome> G__81, and hey
[17:28] <skaet> thanks knome,   probably have about an hour before the ship or not decision gets made.   Sorry you're having to crunch it... :(
[17:29] <G__81> knome, hey
[17:31] <knome> skaet, well, can't blame you :)
[17:31] <knome> skaet, i'm pretty confident that's a "ship" though
[17:31] <knome> i'm running two tests parallel now
[17:31]  * skaet nods
[17:41] <holstein> skaet: question... im testing the resize scenario in the 386 desktop iso area
[17:42] <holstein> first step references the alternate iso... do i just do that with the live CD?
[17:42] <holstein> and assume a typo in the test case?
[17:42] <holstein> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/208/builds/12682/testcases/134/results is where i am
[17:44]  * knome starts his fourth tests
[17:44] <knome> -s
[17:46] <knome> holstein, i think you can expect a typo
[18:08] <knome> holstein, you near finishing?
[18:10] <knome> micahg, mr_pouit: should the nm-applet be visible in today's builds?
[18:10] <holstein> nope :/
[18:10] <knome> micahg, micahg: i mean, in live
[18:11] <knome> meh
[18:19] <Unit193> knome: Nope.
[18:19] <knome> nope what?
[18:21] <knome> skaet, you can ship xubuntu beta1. the technical overview -page is updated :)
[18:21] <knome> skaet, thanks. i'll make sure we get the tests right for beta2.
[18:22] <skaet> Thanks knome.  :)    Please go ahead and add to the TechnicalOverview any bugs that you think Xubuntu specific users might encounter and you want to warn them about.
[18:23] <knome> skaet, yeah, i just did.
[18:23]  * skaet hugs knome
[18:23]  * knome hugs skaet
[18:23] <skaet> :)
[18:23]  * knome goes as far away from computers as he can
[18:23] <knome> ...so, about 3m
[18:30] <pleia2> I'll add the nm-line to known issues in our announcement
[18:31] <holstein> yeah... im still waiting on an NTFS partition to be created :/
[18:34] <Unit193> I had nm-applet in alt, IIRC.
[18:39] <Riddell> knome: ping
[18:39] <Riddell> your PR needs some work https://wiki.kubuntu.org/PrecisePangolin/TechnicalOverview#Xubuntu
[18:39] <Riddell> please tidy
[18:39] <Riddell> knome: also please join us in #ubuntu-release
[18:43] <Unit193> I just booted my alt from yesterday, it does have nm-applet in panel.
[18:44] <pleia2> what needs to be more tidy?
[18:44] <pleia2> I think knome is taking a break
[18:49] <micahg> knome: should be
[18:49] <micahg> knome: is it not?
[18:49] <Riddell> knome: well removed the weird one about ubiquity and moved the nm issue to known issues, the features could do with some marketing love
[18:50] <Riddell> pleia2: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/PrecisePangolin/TechnicalOverview#Xubuntu
[18:50] <Riddell> pleia2: and joins us in #ubuntu-release if you want to take over as release contact
[18:51] <pleia2> Riddell: yes, I helped write it, what was weird about maybe-ubiquity?
[18:51] <pleia2> (I can't take over, I just help with marketing)
[18:53] <Riddell> pleia2: I have no idea what "Using the new installer, maybe-ubiquity" means
[18:53] <Unit193> Maybe-ubiquity is the new design for selecting if you want to try or install it.
[18:54] <pleia2> yeah, so I guess "installer" is the wrong word, should be whatever that screen is called
[18:54] <pleia2> "greeter"?
[18:55] <pleia2> "Using new maybe-ubiquity greeter"
[18:58] <Unit193> Bug 943682 hits too.
[19:42] <knome> pleia2, are you going to publish the beta1 announcement as soon as it's out?
[19:44] <pleia2> knome: that's the plan
[19:45] <knome> pleia2, okay, great, and thanks for helping out
[19:45]  * knome 's head and back has been hurting like hell all night
[19:45] <pleia2> :(
[19:46] <pleia2> hope you feel better
[19:46] <knome> well, bit by bit. and just coping. :)
[19:46] <pleia2> I'm hopped up on sudafed for an ear ache :D
[19:47] <pleia2> (no infection, doctor just said my head is full of liquid)
[19:47] <knome> ahamm
[19:47] <knome> hopefully not urine
[19:47] <pleia2> :P
[19:48] <knome> anyway, get well soon
[19:49]  * knome starts working with more ibuprofein, paracetamol, sugar and eventually alcohol on his pains
[21:18]  * knome enters the last phase
[21:22] <knome> another consideration is: how important the alternate image really is?
[21:24] <knome> madnick, what's up?
[21:26] <micahg> more customizable
[21:26] <knome> maybe we should ask for feedback on our site, mailing lists and so
[21:27] <knome> there's also the minimal cd for customization
[21:27] <pleia2> a lot of people still use xubuntu on older systems and the big gui installer can be bad for that (I need the alt installer for my old laptop)
[21:27] <knome> also, if we get to ship the xfce-only alternative installation set, doesn't that somewhat defeat the purpose?
[21:28] <knome> pleia2, i see. but those low-end systems are pretty bad at running xubuntu too, or?
[21:28] <pleia2> knome: they do ok
[21:28] <Unit193> Not too bad.
[21:28] <pleia2> I also use LVM and RAID on my desktop, need the alt installer for that
[21:29] <knome> mhmm
[21:29] <Unit193> pleia2: Also, for earlier ping, is that something that'd be helpful?
[21:30] <pleia2> Unit193: it might be, a few people have asked for it so if you make a bug I can point them there and others can contribute to the conversation
[21:33] <knome> pleia2, Unit193: what's it about? (i understood website, but...)
[21:33] <pleia2> bigger screenshots
[21:33] <Unit193> More/bigger.
[21:33] <knome> right...
[21:34] <Unit193> Bug #944365 this is why I don't file bug reports. :P
[21:34] <knome> i'm not sure if i want lightbox or so, but we could just add a big link covering the screenshot area that links to a screenshot page
[21:34] <knome> *there* you could have ligtbox
[21:34] <pleia2> Unit193: thank you :)
[21:35] <pleia2> I was thinking just a little link below lightbox
[21:35] <Unit193> Anything that can actually *help*, not hinder!
[21:35] <knome> pleia2, err, you mean below the slideshow?
[21:35] <pleia2> knome: yeah
[21:35] <pleia2> but my brain is full today
[21:37] <Unit193> Yeah, that's wishlist, when someone gets time to add or poke me for a few, if they need it.
[21:38] <knome> Unit193, feel free to add those to the bug, for example, and i'll add them when i'll look at the issue generally
[21:39] <Unit193> May want to wait until a later beta or alpha? (Not that there won't be more important things)
[21:39] <knome> well, maybe final :P
[22:29] <pleia2> knome: blog post look ok? I'm getting the official one on fridge and then I'll publish ours
[22:31] <knome> pleia2, looks good to mee
[22:31] <knome> -e
[22:32]  * knome goes to bed
[22:32] <knome> see you tomorrow, and thanks again pleia2 :)
[22:45] <pleia2> http://xubuntu.org/news/precisebeta1/
[22:45] <pleia2> and tweeted
[22:48] <micahg> gah, I still need to update blueman...
[23:07] <raevol> did any updates to the bluebird theme for gtk3 make it into beta1?
[23:08] <raevol> err, micahg was that what you were just talking about?
[23:08] <Unit193> No, that was bluetooth
[23:09] <raevol> ah
[23:12] <micahg> raevol: no
[23:13] <raevol> :[
[23:24] <GridCube> knome, more news for the site http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/articles/completely_blank_xfce_desktop
[23:26] <pleia2> GridCube: it mentions xubuntu, but it looks to be an article about xfce
[23:27] <GridCube> mmm now that you say it, i think you're correct
[23:27] <GridCube> well this one is about xubuntu. and its in chinese http://software.it168.com/a2012/0206/1307/000001307632.shtml
[23:29] <GridCube> ah it just rips a softpedia article
[23:30] <pleia2> ugh, our feed still isn't going to planet
[23:30]  * pleia2 submits ticket