[00:09] <Riddell> yay, I'm informative "Kubuntu and KDE (Score:5, Informative)" http://linux.slashdot.org/story/12/03/01/2047217/ubuntu-1204-lts-precise-pangolin-beta-1-released
[00:11] <Riddell> hmm, should I take the bait and reply? https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-users/2012-March/055692.html
[00:52] <rbelem> Riddell, i got it working
[00:52] <rbelem> Riddell, i forgot to install startactive-data and startactive-ksplash-theme
[00:55] <rbelem> Riddell, and it is missing some runtime deps
[00:57] <rbelem> Riddell, kde-workspace-bin installs kdm :-/
[01:06] <Riddell> rbelem: so you can log in from lightdm?
[01:32] <rbelem> Riddell, yup, but it is failing to load some modules :-/
[01:33] <Riddell> rbelem: better than nothing, if you package it up tonight I can put it into the archive tomorrow and make some images
[01:34] <rbelem> Riddell, here is the log http://paste.kde.org/432188/
[01:35] <Riddell> rbelem: that doesn't mean much to me, best ask notmart or the like in #active
[01:38] <rbelem> Riddell, will do now
[01:39] <rbelem> Riddell, he is not there :-/
[01:39] <Riddell> it is late in Europe
[01:40] <rbelem> Riddell, hum... is it almost 2am for you?
[01:40] <Riddell> yes, and +1 later on the continent
[01:40]  * Riddell snoozes
[01:41] <rbelem> Riddell, :-)
[01:41] <rbelem> Riddell, good night
[01:44] <Riddell> http://lwn.net/Articles/484829/  Kubuntu 12.04 to be Supported for 5 Years
[01:55] <darthanubis> Thank you!!
[02:24] <rbelem> Riddell, i got everything working
[02:25] <rbelem> Riddell, plasma-active pkg needs patching
[09:39] <Riddell> random e-mail du jour http://paste.kde.org/432266/
[10:04] <rbelem> Riddell, i slept in the keyboard
[10:06] <rbelem> Riddell, i will ping you when i finish the changes
[10:11] <Riddell> rbelem: did you pull a rodrigo? :)
[12:20] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:37] <soee> hi BluesKaj 
[12:38] <BluesKaj> hi soee
[12:39] <soee> ih made upgrade yesterday
[12:39] <soee> 11.10 > 12.04b1
[12:39] <soee> works fine so far
[12:41] <soee> waiting for kde 4.9 now -.-
[12:42] <yofel> soee: happy waiting then :D http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.9_Release_Schedule
[12:42]  * yofel wonders if dirk forgot about 4.8.1
[12:42] <soee> yeah i know :)
[12:42] <soee> yofel, btw
[12:44] <soee> you rememeber i couldnt upgrade yesterday?
[12:45] <soee> so i found some file related update -manager where i had to change release type from lts to normal, than do-release-upgrade form console worked
[12:50] <yofel> hm, makes sense, except that it shouldn't be set to lts if you were on 11.10
[12:50] <yofel> but this should've still worked
[12:50] <yofel> I'll try to reproduce it, thanks
[12:53] <Peace-> here it goes 
[12:53] <Peace-> plasma-widget-daisy is working again here
[12:54] <Peace-> just compiled :D
[12:56] <yofel> Peace-: on precise?
[12:57] <Peace-> yofel: sure
[12:57] <yofel> or at least with 4.8?
[12:57] <yofel> .D
[12:57] <yofel> *:D
[12:57] <Peace-> yep
[12:57] <Peace-> i did a package deb with cpack as usual 
[12:57] <Peace-> xD
[12:58] <Peace-> yofel: http://wstaw.org/m/2012/03/02/plasma-desktopWv1827.png
[13:31] <soee> Peace-, you are from Poland ?
[13:39] <Peace-> soee: nope
[13:40] <Peace-> yofel: are you on precise?
[13:40] <yofel> yes
[13:40] <Peace-> yofel: 32bit?
[13:41] <yofel> 64 right now, but my eeePC is 32
[13:41] <Peace-> mm :D https://peace-packages.googlecode.com/files/plasma-widget-daisy_0.0.5.deb
[13:45] <BluesKaj> odd , i have a usb stick that i'd like to reformat but the notifierand dolphin don't see it , altho it's listed with lsusb 
[13:45] <Peace-> BluesKaj: i have seen that issue too
[13:45] <Peace-> BluesKaj: partitioon manager can see it ?
[13:48] <BluesKaj> Peace-,  yes, partition manager sees it but it has no valis partition
[13:48] <BluesKaj> valid
[13:48] <Peace-> BluesKaj: mm :) so you need to format it 
[13:49] <BluesKaj> yup , what's best, fat32?
[13:50] <Peace-> BluesKaj: i guess yes
[13:50] <BluesKaj> going to put freeNAS on it 
[13:51] <BluesKaj> ok Peace- , done , thanks for the tip ..forgot about partition manager :)
[13:52] <Peace-> :)
[14:05] <yofel> soee: ok, that you couldn't update was a bug in software-properties-kde
[14:06] <yofel> *upgrade
[14:06] <soee> :???
[14:06] <soee> it took me whole night to update yesterday argh :D
[14:07] <yofel> in software-properties-kde you can set if you want to be notified on new releases for: Never, Normal, LTS only
[14:07] <yofel> some sofware-properties developer had the great idea to change the meaning order to: Normal, LTS only, Never
[14:08] <yofel> so I you had set LTS in sofware-properties-kde, you had in fact set it to Never
[14:08]  * yofel goes fixing
[14:15] <soee> oO
[14:19] <shadeslayer> Riddell: hardy? Really? :D
[14:26] <Riddell> shadeslayer: hmm?
[14:27] <shadeslayer> Riddell: the email paste :)
[14:27] <Riddell> oh aye, I'll send my stock reply
[14:28] <yofel> hm
[14:28] <yofel> software-properties is odd
[14:32] <Riddell> yofel: what's odd about it?
[14:32] <yofel> it's python
[14:32] <Riddell> it has the tricky job of making a sane UI out of the sources.list format which is not very user friendly
[14:33] <yofel> well, *that* part isn't even broken
[14:33] <Riddell> glatzor wrote it ages ago
[14:35] <yofel> I'll hack this to work for now and talk with mvo later
[14:36] <yofel> the gtk ui uses a dbus backend now. Using that would be the proper way to fix this
[14:36] <Riddell> yofel: does this need a backport?
[14:37] <yofel> it needs an SRU for oneiric, or you'll see more confused users like soee
[14:37] <Riddell> poor soee 
[14:37] <soee> im not confused, im suprised!
[14:37] <Riddell> we also needs a "ensure your system is up to date before starting a release upgrade" notice on the instructions
[14:38] <soee> ill start to learn some new languages used in ubuntu/kde and ill fix this :D
[14:39] <soee> atm im strict php, javascirpt user
[14:39] <Riddell> python is easy to learn
[14:39] <Riddell> and sane compared to javascript :)
[14:40] <yofel> well, one way to fix it is to simply adjust the mapping: i = (i+1)%3 - which would have the least chances for regressions
[14:41] <yofel> I'll file a bug and see what mvo says
[14:43] <shadeslayer> Did someone say dbus
[14:43] <shadeslayer> kill that stuff with fire
[14:44] <shadeslayer> s/fire/napalm/
[14:44] <kubotu> shadeslayer meant: "kill that stuff with napalm"
[14:45] <ScottK> Thanks to upstart we have dbus on servers now too.
[14:45] <shadeslayer> ...
[14:46] <yofel> hurray, now I can blame dbus if my system doesn't boot, not only if I can't log in
[14:47] <rbelem> Riddell, :-D
[14:47] <Riddell> rbelem: so you can log in from lightdm into active?
[14:47] <rbelem> Riddell, yup
[14:47] <Riddell> rbelem: lovely, what's the trick?
[14:48] <rbelem> Riddell, some changes are needed in the plasma-active pkg, runtime deps, and in the startactive, patching and runtime deps
[14:49] <Riddell> rbelem: well done on working it out, you going to put packages into ~kubuntu-active?
[14:49] <rbelem> Riddell, yup
[14:49] <rbelem> Riddell, in a couple minutes
[14:49]  * Riddell holds breath
[14:49]  * rbelem just arrived in indt office :-D
[14:56] <ScottK> Is anyone there to make sure you don't pull a Rodrigo in the midst of all this?
[14:57] <rbelem> ScottK, everybody went to a windows shit presentation :'(
[14:57] <Riddell> it's brazil, there must be a samba band in the office next door or something to keep him awake
[14:57] <rbelem> hahah :-D
[14:59] <ScottK> fabo and debfx: Do we wan to make a change in our Qt (we multiarch and the -dev package)?
[15:00] <Riddell> ScottK: I don't understand that question
[15:00] <ScottK> Riddell: It's a carry over from #debian-qt-kde, sorry.
[15:05] <txwikinger> hi folks
[15:06] <Riddell> guten tag txwikinger 
[15:06] <txwikinger> Guten Tag Jonathan
[15:10] <txwikinger> woot.. power outage
[15:12] <shadeslayer> wait ... you have power outages? :O
[15:13] <txwikinger> Normally not
[15:13] <txwikinger> Yesterday they had a big power outage just north of here. 4 hours 70% of customers off the grid
[15:14] <txwikinger> I guess they still repairing stuff and now ours is flaky too because of that
[15:14] <shadeslayer> txwikinger: It's just that, power outages are unheard of in First/Second World Countries
[15:14] <txwikinger> No they are not
[15:14] <txwikinger> They have power outages all the time
[15:15] <shadeslayer> txwikinger: this is the first time I've heard about a power outage on this IRC channel in the past 2-3 years :P
[15:15] <txwikinger> Esecially in winter when ice and frozen rain cuts power lines
[15:25] <debfx> ScottK: I don't know if there is a compelling use case for that
[15:26] <ScottK> OK.
[15:35] <rbelem> Riddell, startactive uploaded
[15:39] <rbelem> Riddell, do you think put startactive as depends of plasma-active is ok?
[15:44] <Riddell> rbelem: yes
[16:07] <rbelem> Riddell, plasma-mobile uploaded
[16:07] <rbelem> Riddell, could you upload kde-active-artwork?
[16:07] <rbelem> :-)
[16:08] <Riddell> rbelem: looking
[16:08] <rbelem> Riddell, thanks :-)
[16:09] <rbelem> Riddell, do you think kde-active-artwork should be a dependency for plasma-active pkg?
[16:10] <rbelem> Riddell, without it shows lots of warnings
[16:10] <Riddell> rbelem: yes sounds like it should be
[16:10] <rbelem> Riddell, could you do that before upload them? :-)
[16:11] <Riddell> sure
[16:14] <rbelem> Riddell, how about the kubuntu-mobile-settings? Should we drop it or update and rename it?
[16:17] <Riddell> rbelem: drop it
[16:17] <Riddell> replace with kubuntu-active-default-settings
[16:17] <rbelem> Riddell, oki :)
[16:31] <rbelem> Riddell, kubuntu-active-default-settings uploaded
[16:32]  * rbelem goes to lunch
[17:52] <rbelem> Riddell, are the pkgs ok?
[17:53] <fabo> Riddell: how can I know which archive have been used to build ubuntu armhf images for beta1 ? or even build logs
[17:55] <yofel> fabo: take for example qt: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qt4-x11
[17:55] <yofel> click on the latest upload version
[17:55] <yofel> on that page click on the architecture you want
[17:55] <yofel> and there you'll find the build log for that arch
[17:57] <fabo> argh doesn't help -> http://ftpmaster.internal/ubuntu/
[17:58] <fabo> I try to build my own image and it fails when I use ports.ubuntu.com
[17:58] <fabo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/865467/
[17:59] <yofel> those are just gpg warnings...
[18:02] <fabo> the build fails right after that
[18:02] <yofel> ah, might be because apt exits non-zero on that I think
[18:02] <yofel> fabo: if you're looking for the cd image logs, they're here: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/cd-build-logs/
[18:03] <yofel> that's about what I know about image building
[21:04] <schnelle> yofel: new kmess is officially released :)
[21:04] <yofel> schnelle: what was the issue again?
[21:05] <schnelle> yofel: new kmess was tagged in git but we were waiting for official tarball
[21:07] <schnelle> current kmess version in repositories doesn't work because changed something in their servers
[21:07] <schnelle> libmsn was updated but kmess doesn't use libmsn
[21:07] <yofel> schnelle: oneiric or precise?
[21:07] <schnelle> so we need new kmees for precise
[21:08] <yofel> schnelle: is it really broken in precise?
[21:09] <yofel> I was just taking another look at the changelog for -2, and it might not be
[21:11] <schnelle> yofel: I will test beta 1 later and will test kmess 
[21:11] <schnelle> yofel: i assumed if it is broken in oneiric then it is broken in precise too
[21:11] <schnelle> because there weren't official kmess updates on their site till today
[21:12] <yofel> well, I made a mistake last time and didn't properly read the changelog, but this is only in precise:
[21:12] <yofel>   * Add follow-location-redirects.diff, this makes KMess usable with the latest
[21:12] <yofel>     changes in MSN servers. (Closes: #648080)
[21:14] <schnelle> yofel: well than kmess is fixed :) I will test it in precise and report back
[22:21] <rbelem> Riddell, ping
[22:21] <Riddell> hi rbelem, sorry I got distracted then went out
[22:21] <Riddell> I'll do the active packages in a bit
[22:23] <rbelem> Riddell, thanks :-)
[22:56] <ScottK> !ninjas | 4.8.1 tarballs up.
[22:56] <ScottK> ~ninjas | 4.8.1 tarballs up.
[22:56] <ScottK> OK, got it right the first time.
[22:57] <ScottK> Shall we use the .xz tarballs?
[22:58] <Riddell> rbelem: well I got the ksplash showing with a few tweaks to the packages
[22:58] <Riddell> but it doesn't run plasma-device after that
[22:58] <Riddell> I'm afraid I need to go to sleep now
[22:59] <rbelem> Riddell, could you upload your changes?
[23:01] <Riddell> no I didn't package them but the xsession script isn't in the package
[23:01] <Riddell> and /usr/share/kde4/apps/ksplash/Themes/ActiveAir/ needs some files in /usr/share/kde4/apps/ksplash/Themes/ActiveAir/images/
[23:01] <rbelem> Riddell, it is on the kubuntu-active-default-settings
[23:02] <rbelem> Riddell, i fixed that in the kde-active-artwork that is in the ppa
[23:03] <rbelem> Riddell, and i upstreamed the fix
[23:05] <bulldog98> ScottK: sounds good
[23:08] <yofel> \o/
[23:09] <yofel> ScottK: I'm all for xz as you know
[23:17] <CIA-42> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/meta-kde] Philip Muškovac * 31 * debian/ (changelog rules) Bump for SC 4.8.1
[23:19] <bulldog98> yofel: no xz tars present in upstream location
[23:19] <yofel> bulldog98: it's in xz/ subfolder, so your script doesn't work
[23:20] <bulldog98> yofel: ok
[23:20] <yofel> I fetched everything with: rsync -avh --progress --delete ftpubuntu@ftpmaster.kde.org:/home/ftpubuntu/stable/4.8.1/src/xz/ 4.8.1
[23:20] <yofel> (If you have the bandwidth)
[23:20] <bulldog98> yofel: I have it by now :)
[23:21] <bulldog98> yofel: only command left is the rename command
[23:21] <yofel> klinksource works, just tested 
[23:22] <bulldog98> ok
[23:24] <bulldog98> yofel: btw what’s our current workflow kgetsource, bzr builddeb -S, pbuilder?
[23:24] <yofel> pretty much
[23:24] <Riddell> rbelem: I still get stuck at http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/startactive-test.log
[23:25] <rbelem> Riddell, but the splash worked with kde-active-artwork ppa pkg?
[23:26] <bulldog98> yofel: what to do if symbols mismatch or something else?
[23:26] <bulldog98> not that they do in the current build
[23:27] <Riddell> rbelem: yes
[23:27] <yofel> for new ones just add them, for missing ones check if they're public and if yes troll upstream and use the debianabimanager to manually bump the SONAME
[23:27] <Riddell> rbelem: but plasma-device does not run
[23:28] <rbelem> Riddell, try remove the /usr/share/kde4/apps/startactive/modules/setup-contour-intro.module
[23:30] <CIA-42> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/oxygen-icons] Philip Muškovac * 94 * debian/changelog New upstream release
[23:31] <Riddell> rbelem: yay it sort of works!
[23:31] <Riddell> plasma-desktop gets run as well as plasma-device
[23:32] <rbelem> Riddell, try remove the /usr/share/kde4/apps/startactive/modules/desktop.module
[23:32] <rbelem> Riddell, try remove the /usr/share/kde4/apps/startactive/modules/plasma-desktop.module
[23:32] <rbelem> :-D
[23:32] <Riddell> rbelem: No such file or directory
[23:32] <rbelem> Riddell, for both?
[23:32] <Riddell> /usr/share/kde4/apps/startactive/modules/plasma-desktop.module: No such file or directory
[23:33] <rbelem> Riddell, hum... i think we still need the desktop files that overrides the default for plasma-desktop 
[23:35] <rbelem> Riddell, sudo chmod -x /usr/share/autostart/plasma-desktop.desktop
[23:35] <rbelem> Riddell, just to test :-)
[23:36] <Riddell> rbelem: that file isn't +x
[23:37] <Riddell> .desktop files aren't executable
[23:37] <rbelem> Riddell, oops
[23:37] <bulldog98> yofel: how do you do the l10n stuff?
[23:37] <rbelem> Riddell, i mean -r
[23:37] <yofel> bulldog98: last, using the script from the l10n branch
[23:37] <bulldog98> yofel: will it work right now?
[23:38] <yofel> no idea, with the xz tars probably not
[23:38] <yofel> we can figure that out once the rest is done
[23:38] <Riddell> rbelem: yay, working
[23:38] <Riddell> rbelem: but no mouse cursor.  theme missing?
[23:38] <rbelem> Riddell, that is expected
[23:39] <rbelem> Riddell, because it is meant for tablets
[23:39] <Riddell> oh I see :)
[23:39] <CIA-42> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/smokegen] Philip Muškovac * 24 * debian/changelog New upstream release
[23:39] <rbelem> Riddell, but we can disable it
[23:39] <Riddell> probably we should disable it until someone gets a tablet to use :)
[23:40] <rbelem> Riddell, oki :-)
[23:40] <bulldog98> yofel: we should upload a new version of kubuntu-dev-tools to somewhere
[23:41] <rbelem> Riddell, my laptop will shutdown
[23:41] <rbelem> Riddell, could you apply these changes?
[23:41] <yofel> bulldog98: iirc debfx had something against uploading it to the archive. But I don't remember what the issue was
[23:42] <yofel> put it in ninjas if you want
[23:42] <rbelem> Riddell, i can update the kubuntu-active-default-settings
[23:44] <CIA-42> [lp:kubuntu-dev-tools] Jonathan Kolberg * 148 * debian/changelog Did an update of the changelog
[23:45] <Riddell> rbelem: ok so I'll upload these (but not tonight, prob tomorrow evening)
[23:46] <Riddell> we need to work out what is dragging plasma-desktop onto the kubuntu-active CD image
[23:46] <Riddell> and we're good to go
[23:46] <Riddell> I got my arm board working today too, but only for oneiric not precise yet
[23:46] <yofel> bulldog98: please put the changelog contents in the commit message, or describe the change you did - your message doesn't tell much..
[23:47] <bulldog98> yofel: only change the version and put my name into the comment line
[23:48] <yofel> well, "bump version for precise" would've told me that
[23:48] <bulldog98> yofel: I try to keep that in mind
[23:49] <yofel> thanks, takes practice :)
[23:50] <bulldog98> yofel: we don’t have something like an l10n script in kubuntu-dev-tools
[23:50] <bulldog98> afaiks
[23:50] <yofel> bulldog98: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/Packaging/L10nOperatorGuide
[23:50] <yofel> we do l10n last anyway
[23:51] <yofel> l10n is tricky
[23:51] <bulldog98> I don’t have upload rights either