[01:18] <amandasue75> Does UbuntuOne work with 12.04?  I don't see the option in my menu when looking in /home/amanda with (nautilus?) the file browser.
[01:30] <snadge> congrats on the beta guys.. i know i've bitched and moaned about all sorts of little things.. but much love
[01:30] <snadge> and its only because i care :P
[01:30] <urfr332gO> lol, about yourself.
[01:30] <urfr332gO> :)
[01:31] <snadge> sure.. but i figure if im annoyed about stuff.. being a long time ubuntu user
[01:31] <snadge> chances are, other people will be too
[01:31] <urfr332gO> so what are your thoughts on the unity desktop.
[01:31] <urfr332gO> slowly backs away
[01:31] <snadge> i actually like it.. but theres been a few changes to it, that have irritated me slightly
[01:32] <snadge> if i had to name the top two.. it would be the removal of dodge windows support
[01:32] <urfr332gO> ah
[01:32] <snadge> and changing the default switch desktop key combination
[01:32] <Daekdroom> Didn't they change that back?
[01:32] <urfr332gO> nobody here has anything to do with the development though.
[01:33] <urfr332gO> other then as testers
[01:33] <snadge> from ctrl-alt and ctrl-alt-shift (to switch and move current window).. to shift-super and alt-super respectively
[01:33] <Daekdroom> Yeah, but I think they changed it back for the time.
[01:33] <snadge> right.. thats why im in the ubuntu-unity channel as well ;)
[01:33] <snadge> oh really? to both?
[01:33] <Daekdroom> Until they fix the problem with the Super shortcuts spawing Dash/Shortcut overlay.
[01:33] <Daekdroom> But let me check
[01:34] <snadge> ok so its a temporary revert
[01:34] <snadge> if the switch combos change again .. i would prefert ctrl-super to switch instead of shift-super
[01:34] <snadge> i think that is actually easier.. shift-super is a bit of a contortion, for such a frequently used shortcut
[01:34] <Daekdroom> And yes, they did change it back. The revert is in unity-team/ppa
[01:34] <Daekdroom> Not sure about the precise repos.
[01:35] <snadge> well i'll do an update and see what happens
[01:35] <snadge> what about window dodge? .. im pretty sure shuttleworth chimed in on that one
[01:35] <snadge> in support of axing it
[01:36] <Daekdroom> Shuttleworth liked it, and supported axing it regardless.
[01:36] <snadge> i understand that the code is ugly, buggy, and people dont want to maintain it
[01:36] <snadge> hence why it was removed, instead of being left as an option in ccsm
[01:37] <fhsales> hello people, i am having some trouble installing the firmware for my wlan adapter. i found a site with instructions but i am having some doubts.can someone help me?
[01:37] <snadge> i'll fall in love with unity.. and have its babies if dodge is back, and ctrl-alt desktop switch ;)
[01:42] <urfr332gO> lol
[01:46] <log> Is there a reason why I haven't been offered the beta upgrade through Update Manager?
[01:46] <log> I'm currently on Alpha 2, I think.
[01:47] <urfr332gO> log, the update manager just keeps up with the release cycle.
[01:47] <log> Oh.
[01:48] <urfr332gO> log, you can imagine your special though if you want. :)
[01:48] <log> I'm confused. :P
[01:48] <snadge> ummm. i dont see a new version of unity being pushed for the beta
[01:48] <arand> snadge: You can't base a marriage on an idolised image of your partner you know ;)
[01:48] <snadge> i just ran an update/upgrade, and it didnt pull down a new unity :(
[01:48] <log> urfr332gO: So how do I get the beta?
[01:48] <urfr332gO> arand, most do anyway.
[01:48] <snadge> hehe
[01:48] <log> urfr332gO: Or do I not "get" the beta?
[01:49] <snadge> log: sudo apt-get update ; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[01:49] <urfr332gO> log, if your updated you have it.
[01:49] <log> How can I check?
[01:49] <arand> !final
[01:49] <log> uname -a doesn't say the version of Precise
[01:49] <urfr332gO> log, check if your updated use those commands above
[01:49] <arand> log: There is only one version of precise
[01:49] <log> I mean Alpha/Beta
[01:50] <arand> There is only one version of precise
[01:50] <urfr332gO> log, they are just names in part of the cycle
[01:50] <log> Oh.
[01:50] <log> Well, I ran those commands, and nothing was upgraded. So I guess I'm running the latest.
[01:51] <arand> alpha is precise-a-while-ago, beta is precise-at-the-moment and final is precise-will-be-later
[01:51] <snadge> sure.. and the reversion for the change desktop default kb shortcut.. isnt in the beta :(
[01:51] <snadge> how do i view the changelog for the unity desktop ppa ?
[01:51] <log> arand: What's the difference between running this and daily builds?
[01:52] <log> If they're all the same.
[01:52] <arand> log: none, it's all just snapshots
[01:52]  * log scratches his head.
[01:52] <arand> And they will be brought to the same point once you upgrade them
[01:52] <log> So the daily builds just come with updated software?
[01:53] <arand> They come with whatever versions of the packages was in the archive at the point of building them.
[01:53] <arand> But this changes constantly.
[01:54] <arand> (Well, less so now in beta and onwards, presumably)
[01:54] <log> Ah.
[01:54] <log> Thanks for clearing this up. :) Helps a lot.
[01:56] <atari2600a> hey
[01:56] <atari2600a> so
[01:57] <atari2600a> the on-screen keyboard comes on w/ the lock screen
[01:57] <atari2600a> how can I...make the on-screen keyboard not come on w/ the lock screen
[01:58] <Daekdroom> atari2600a, the name of the app is "OnBoard"
[01:58] <Daekdroom> Search for it in the Dash and go for the options
[01:59] <Daekdroom> It's right in the first tab.
[01:59] <atari2600a> thanks
[01:59] <atari2600a> also wasn't HUD supposed to be in this release?
[01:59] <Daekdroom> It is.
[01:59] <Daekdroom> Press Alt
[01:59] <atari2600a> oh hey look at that
[02:00] <atari2600a> but why'd you guys have to go & destroy ALL OF THE GOOD SHORTCUT COMBOS
[02:00] <atari2600a> I mean, some of us are still recovering from the loss of applets
[02:01] <urfr332gO> atari2600a, nobody here are developers your preaching to the choir. :)
[02:01] <ubiguy> hi
[02:01] <atari2600a> oh
[02:02] <atari2600a> it's like they took away our new car & then tore out everything in the dash except the steering wheel
[02:02] <ubiguy> what's the file explorer name
[02:02] <ubiguy> in lubuntu 12.04
[02:02] <ubiguy> ?
[02:02] <atari2600a> But Shuttleworth says recent test studies show fiat & volkswagen owners find it easy to use D:
[02:02] <ubiguy> ??
[02:02] <atari2600a> ubiguy, it's nautilus
[02:03] <atari2600a> it's always been nautilus
[02:03] <atari2600a> there wasn't really a point in Ubuntu's history it WASN'T nautilus
[02:03] <pangolin> atari2600a: in Lubuntu he said
[02:03] <ubiguy> nautilus command not found
[02:03] <ubiguy> :[
[02:04] <atari2600a> oh
[02:04] <atari2600a> perhaps I should change my font size :P
[02:04] <ubiguy> x11
[02:04] <ubiguy> what's it for x11?
[02:04] <ubiguy> lubuntu is using a modified x11
[02:05] <pangolin> ubiguy: hold on, I am trying to find out what Lubuntu uses
[02:05] <bazhang> pcmanfm?
[02:05] <ubiguy> yep
[02:05] <pangolin> hmm I think it is
[02:05] <ubiguy> thanks
[02:05] <pangolin> thanks bazhang
[02:05] <ubiguy> thanks alot
[02:05] <ubiguy> <3
[02:06] <ubiguy> i can now use my lubuntu instead of a hack distro
[02:09] <ubiguy> yay now 0trace is recognized, thanks guys
[02:09] <ubiguy> :]
[02:09] <ubiguy> you make me proud of being a nerd.
[02:13] <bazhang> ubiguy, you are using 12.04?
[02:13] <ubiguy> yes
[02:13] <bazhang> then please dont ask in #ubuntu about precise packages
[02:13] <ubiguy>  unable to open file '/var/lib/dpkg/tmp.ci//.svn': Is a directory Errors were encountered while processing:  /var/cache/apt/archives/nmap_5.61-bt1_amd64.deb E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[02:13] <ubiguy> any ideeas?
[02:13] <ubiguy> i try to install nmap
[02:14] <ubiguy> nmap_5.61
[02:15] <bazhang> !find nmap
[02:15] <bazhang> !info nmap
[02:15] <bazhang> ubiguy, 5.21 is the version in 12.04 repos
[02:16] <ubiguy> how do i install it from 12.04 repository's?
[02:16] <bazhang> sudo apt-get install nmap
[02:16] <ubiguy> It will install me from backtrack repo
[02:17] <bazhang> ubiguy, you are on backtrack?
[02:17] <ubiguy> lubuntu, sir.
[02:17] <bazhang> ubiguy, why do you have backtrack repos
[02:17] <pangolin> so why would anything be installed from the backtrack repo?
[02:17] <fhsales> bazhang:  i have download the realtek firmware for my usb adapter.but how do i install it?
[02:17] <ubiguy> i added them cause i need some of the tools
[02:17] <bazhang> ubiguy, such as?
[02:17] <ubiguy> 0trace
[02:17] <ubiguy> nmap
[02:17] <pangolin> then ask in #backtrack-linux
[02:18] <ubiguy> sqlmap
[02:18] <ubiguy> byobu
[02:18] <bazhang> nmap is in ubuntu repos
[02:18] <ubiguy> chkrootkit
[02:18] <ubiguy> yes
[02:18] <fhsales> bazhang: it is a .deb archive.
[02:18] <ubiguy> but i most of my needs are not..
[02:18] <ubiguy> fhsales, install it from terminal
[02:19] <bazhang> ubiguy, most all of those are in ubuntu repos
[02:19] <bazhang> the only one I dont see is 0trace
[02:19] <ubiguy> dnstrace dnsrecon dns2tcp  dnswalk dnsenum
[02:20] <ubiguy> dmitry dmraid dmrecon
[02:20] <ubiguy> lots of libs too
[02:20] <bazhang> ubiguy, pastebin your sources.list please
[02:21] <fhsales> ubiguy: which is the command to install it?
[02:21] <atari2600a> okay
[02:21] <atari2600a> I have a big inexusable problem now
[02:21] <ubiguy> http://pastebin.com/fiquLYTw
[02:22] <atari2600a> I can't play video
[02:22] <atari2600a> at all
[02:22] <atari2600a> period
[02:22] <ubiguy> yes i know there's my country but i didn't see the point to remove it lulz
[02:22] <atari2600a> old doctor who serials?  X restarts
[02:22] <atari2600a> New tosh.0 720p mkv?  x restarts
[02:22] <ubiguy> i love the old doctor who :D
[02:22] <atari2600a> 1080p TNG episodes?  x restarts
[02:22] <atari2600a> totem?  restarts
[02:22] <ubiguy> lol
[02:22] <atari2600a> VLC?  Restarts
[02:23] <pangolin> !enter
[02:23] <ubiguy> how about pr0n?
[02:23] <atari2600a> WHY IS THIS HAPPENING
[02:23] <bazhang> ubiguy, stop that
[02:23] <atari2600a> I seldomly ever download porn
[02:23] <ubiguy> bazhang, so?
[02:23] <fhsales> ubiguy:  which is the command to install this .deb file from terminal?
[02:24] <ubiguy> fhsales
[02:24] <ubiguy> http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/ubuntu-linux-how-do-i-install-deb-packages/
[02:24] <ubiguy> oh
[02:24] <ubiguy> oh well i tried
[02:24] <ubiguy> bazhang, what was the point of asking my sources.list?
[02:24] <atari2600a> dpkg -i [file]
[02:24] <atari2600a> *sudo dpkg -i [file]
[02:24] <ubiguy> he's off..
[02:25] <bazhang> ubiguy, to see what backtrack repos you have in there.
[02:26] <ubiguy> oh okay
[02:27] <ubiguy> my packages won't show in software center.. :<
[02:27] <bazhang> ubiguy, 90% of those packages are in ubuntu repos
[02:28] <bazhang> apt-cache search dnswalk
[02:28] <bazhang> !info dnswalk
[02:28] <atari2600a> it appears to be a purely graphics driver issue but I could be wrong
[02:29] <bazhang> !info dmitry
[02:29] <bazhang> !info chkrootkit
[02:29] <ubiguy> thanks bazhang
[02:29] <ubiguy> have a nice day
[02:29] <ubiguy> ^^
[02:40] <pangolin> I have been getting this error every time I reboot/login http://imagebin.org/201635 what is causing it?
[04:17] <alkisg> Hi, does lightdm supports selecting the session UI language? I don't see such an option at the greeter...
[04:34] <asdlh> hi, lot's of problems here, anyone to help?
[04:34] <alkisg> I believe you need to ask your question directly instead of asking if anyone's available
[04:35] <asdlh> all menus leave a shadow that does not ever disappear once closed
[04:35] <asdlh> same with alttab window
[04:35] <asdlh> when nautilus is opened, both the keyboard and the right mouse button cease to work
[04:35] <asdlh> cannot select anything in nautilus
[04:36] <asdlh> menu at the top right also ceases working after nautilus
[04:39] <asdlh> it looks like Id be fine should I remove the advanced graphical features, but ccsm isn't there anymore, so what do I do? the system is barely usable like that
[04:41] <asdlh> nm, found ccsm, but not sure what to disable here. Is there actually nobody online on a 2nd day of a release?
[04:45] <asdlh> ok, unity reset gives me my keyboard back and it seems to get broken not just by the nautilus
[05:05] <oiha> it was me above, FWIW unity-2d didn't work but gnome does and works ok so far
[05:12]  * alkisg switched to gnome-shell too, unfortunately unity breaks vertical sync and its UI is too counter-productive
[05:14] <alkisg> So anyway let me repeat my question because it scrolled too much above...
[05:14] <alkisg> Isn't it possible to select the session UI language from the lightdm greeter?
[05:18] <rattatoue> Just a random question, in Ubuntu 12.04, does anyone else get constant messages about things crashing left and right or is it just me?
[05:19] <snadge> dunno about constant
[05:19] <snadge> it has happened on the odd occasion at times during its development
[05:21] <rattatoue> snadge, I am using Cinnamon Desktop runs great. If I go to Gnome-shell or unity I get the crash message about every 3 seconds about this crashing or this crashing etc and its really annoying. I got 5 at one time
[05:22] <snadge> from an upgrade or a clean install?
[05:23] <rattatoue> Upgrade
[05:25] <rattatoue> snadge, do you think thats why?
[05:36] <vani> Hi, I'm running 12.04 x86...where and how can I install armel-cross-toolchain-base
[05:40] <vani> Hi, I'm running 12.04 x86...where and how can I install armel-cross-toolchain-base
[05:41] <bazhang> !find armel-cross-toolchain-base
[05:43] <vani> ubottu, does that mean I should depend only on rootstock...or is there a why to setup armel tool chain on 12.04
[05:43] <bazhang> !find armel
[05:46] <vani> Thank you for the info...this is good enough for me to start. Thanks again.
[05:46] <rattatoue> !upgrade
[05:46] <rattatoue> !clean
[05:47] <rattatoue> !clean install
[05:47] <urfr332gO> rattatoue, why don't you ask the channel?
[05:47] <rattatoue> I did ask the channel earlier, noone responded
[05:48] <rattatoue> I am trying to figure out if on 12.04, I keep getting a bunch of crash messages. Like sometimes 3 at a time. Im trying to figure out if this is normal because its a beta or if its more likely because I upgraded from a 11.10 install. Like if I did a fresh installed of 12.04 would the crashes be less likely
[05:49] <urfr332gO> rattatoue, normal for a development
[05:49] <rattatoue> urfr332gO, would it be a chance of less crashes if I had done a clean install?
[05:50] <urfr332gO> rattatoue, hard to say to many confounds I get them with a fresh install.
[05:51] <urfr332gO> rattatoue, are you running this as your main install?
[05:51] <rattatoue> urfr332gO, yes and no. It is my main install yes, but at the same time theres nothing important that if I wipe it out im going to be like all freaked out about it. Most I do is surf web and videos
[05:52] <urfr332gO> rattatoue, good that you have nothing to looses but not a reliable OS until actually released really.
[05:53] <urfr332gO> loose*
[05:53] <rattatoue> urfr332gO, oh I know that, I was just curious if it was more reliable right now if it would of been a fresh install vs a upgrade. Like wondering if the upgrade made the install worse
[05:53] <urfr332gO> rattatoue, nobody can really answer that.
[05:54] <urfr332gO> with real authority anyway.
[05:54] <rattatoue> urfr332gO, are you running 12.04 right this moment?
[05:55] <urfr332gO> rattatoue, no oneiric, I have it installed though.
[05:58] <rattatoue> urfr332gO, I will probably just have to do a fresh install of oneiric or might go back to 10.04 since I liked the gnome panel lol
[05:58] <urfr332gO> rattatoue, yeah 10.04 is supported for a year past April, use what you like. :)
[05:59] <rattatoue> urfr332gO, true true :) I like the newer ubuntu but sorry unity aggrevates me and gnome-shell not much better
[05:59] <urfr332gO> rattatoue, yeah I have gotten used to it, a bit irratating both are still in development.
[06:01] <rattatoue> urfr332gO, which desktop is yours of choice if I can ask
[06:01] <urfr332gO> rattatoue, I swotched to gnome 3
[06:01] <urfr332gO> switched
[06:02] <urfr332gO> I use synapse to bring up apps though.
[06:02] <rattatoue> urfr332gO, is that the one where you move your mouse to the top left and it brings up the window switcher and that
[06:02] <urfr332gO> yeah, and synapse is a key prompt to search.
[06:03] <rattatoue> synapse..wait isnt that from the movie Antitrust lol
[06:03] <urfr332gO> gnome 3 is installed with gnome-shell.
[06:04] <rattatoue> urfr332gO, you ever try cinnamon desktop?
[06:05] <urfr332gO> rattatoue, no I'm not partial to mint stuff, it is just ubuntu in drag. :)
[06:06] <urfr332gO> thats where the cinnamon desktop started anyway.
[06:06] <rattatoue> urfr332gO, lol oh im not big on linux mint either, but I like this. Its like gnome-shell in a way, but I can make it look like the old gnome panels or just a bar at the bottom etc.
[06:07] <urfr332gO> you can install debian if you want gnome 2 or 10.04, the developers of gnome 2 don't support it anymore as well.
[06:08] <rattatoue> i have installed debian, however I like updating to the latest stuff that breaks apparently, so if you upgrade debian much you end up with gnome-shell too.
[06:09] <urfr332gO> ah I wondered about that, I have fedora 16 as well it is gnome 3.
[06:09] <aBound> Ubuntu LTS releases mature over time and usually will tend to become stable.
[06:09] <urfr332gO> xubuntun or xfce4 are not bad, there about 50 possible desktops.
[06:09] <urfr332gO> xubuntu*
[06:10] <rattatoue> I might have to try xubuntu again, last time I tried it was like eh about it, but who knows might be better now. I will avoid kde at all cost though
[06:10] <urfr332gO> I never liked kubuntu myself.
[06:11] <rattatoue> I liked kde 3.5. Then just like gnome(my opinion) they started changing stuff and making it more updated and I think they made it worse.
[06:13] <rattatoue> urfr332gO, I know this isnt ubuntu related, but how is fedora? I havent used that in 5 years I think lol
[06:13] <alkisg> rattatoue: you do know about the gnome-classic (no effects) session, right?
[06:14] <alkisg> That's still gnome3, but has panels similar to gnome2
[06:14] <rattatoue> alkisg, yes I do, but it still isnt as close to gnome2 as I want. I liked the customization of gnome2. I even tried what was it mate and thats buggy as crap. And thats another mint thing lol
[06:15] <rattatoue> I might try going back to 10.04 tonight, just avoid upgrading for another year
[06:17] <iceroot> rattatoue: have a look at lubuntu
[06:18] <urfr332gO> rattatoue, not bad I hardly use it it is just a backup really.
[06:19] <rattatoue> iceroot, i will look right now.
[06:19] <rattatoue> Is it a good time to say im a quad core system with 8 gb of ram and 1gb graphics card lol
[06:20] <rattatoue> iceroot, ty for the suggestion, however I just looked the desktop is kinda eh for me. Ty for the suggestion though appreciate it.
[06:20] <iceroot> rattatoue: its a desktop with strange animations
[06:20] <iceroot> without
[06:22] <rattatoue> urfr332gO, does the keyboard shortcuts in gnome-shell work right for synapse? I know with gnome-do I use to have to hit Windows Key then SPACe twice just to get it to activate the Windows Key Space Combination
[06:23] <urfr332gO> rattatoue, synapse defaults to ctrl-space works fine yes.
[06:23] <rattatoue> urfr332gO, i will brb
[06:31] <rattatoue> urfr332gO, okay im back and I just fixed all my crashing in gnome-shell. Now gnome-shell on 12.04 runs smooth as 11.10 :D
[06:32] <urfr332gO> cool
[06:32] <urfr332gO> I didn't see any crashes yesterday maybe some of that has been fixed.
[06:32] <rattatoue> i like this synapse, much better then gnomed-o
[06:33] <urfr332gO> yeah I like it makes life easier really.
[06:33] <rattatoue> true, I liked gnome do, but that doesnt work so well in gnome-shell
[06:45] <skunkmasterflex> hey all
[06:45] <psypher246> hi all. I see beta has been released, but when I try do a dist upgrade, after a successful normal upgrade, it wants to remove ubuntu-desktop and unity eh?
[06:46] <skunkmasterflex> report bug?? that's seems unusual..
[06:46] <psypher246> it does hey
[06:46] <psypher246> will do
[06:46] <skunkmasterflex> how is it so far tho??
[06:46] <skunkmasterflex> you know.. besides the bug
[06:47] <psypher246> great!
[06:47] <psypher246> few issues, some narly glitches, but i logged them and lets see if they get fixed
[06:47] <skunkmasterflex> does the unity bar hide when you go full screen??
[06:47] <psypher246> i have been on alsoways show, cos i have dual monitors and the new edge reveal thing is really annoying
[06:47] <jokerdino> psypher246: it is standard practice to not do dist-upgrade in ubuntu+1
[06:48] <psypher246> jokerdino: then how come the update manager does it by itself?
[06:48] <jokerdino> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1859240
[06:49] <psypher246> skunkmasterflex: unity bar doesn't want to unhide AT ALL
[06:49] <psypher246> jokerdino: thanks
[06:49] <skunkmasterflex> psypher246: so it's always hidden
[06:50] <skunkmasterflex> ??
[06:50] <jokerdino> psypher246: you can either hide it all the time or unhide it all the time. there is no combination of both.
[06:51] <skunkmasterflex> crud :(
[06:51] <skunkmasterflex> that's really stupid
[06:51] <jokerdino> wait, i think i addressed to the wrong person.
[06:56] <psypher246> jokerdino: after updating and turning on autohide I cannot unhide ata ll
[06:57] <psypher246> btw what skunkmaster was aksing was if you run a fullscreen ap it the launcher hidden, and yes it is
[06:57] <psypher246> even if always hide is on
[06:58] <psypher246> if the app has focus, it's fullscreen
[06:58] <psypher246> so it's no that stupid
[06:58] <psypher246> but he;s left now :(
[06:58] <psypher246> brb
[07:07] <psypher246> jokerdino: hi please could you send me that update manager link again
[07:07] <jokerdino> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1859240
[07:07] <psypher246> shotto!
[07:08] <jokerdino> and regarding the unhide launcher part, try right clicking on desktop and going to change desktop.
[07:11] <psypher246> and then?
[07:14] <psypher246> i can get to appears window throug luanching the dash, not an issue, but setting the launcher back to autohide does not allow the launcher to unhide. no matter what the sensitivity is or the pressure I apply
[07:24] <Muser> Hi! I just installed Ubuntu Precise beta1 on my X220 Tablet. xinput --list lists Wacom stylus, touch and eraser, but only touch works. What could be the cause?
[07:26] <Muser> ThinkWiki has some tips, but they seem to be outdated (manual editing of xorg.conf, etc) and mostly seem to fix Wacom not being detected instead of not being functional
[07:30] <Muser> xsetwacom --list devices also seems to work
[08:16] <h31_> Hello. Are there anybody who tried 12.04 beta? It is already stable for everyday usage?
[08:17] <psypher246> ive been running alpha since release, it's not bad
[08:27] <pmjdebruijn> h31_: I've been using for a few days as well, seems fairly doable
[08:27] <pmjdebruijn> h31_: but any update could break something
[08:27] <h31_> pmjdebruijn: thank you!
[08:28] <pmjdebruijn> but that's true for any beta
[08:28] <brot> hi everyone. i am trying to upgrade to the -beta1 but "sudo do-release-upgrade -d" says there are no new versions available
[08:29] <brot> however, "cat /etc/lsb-release | grep RELEASE" says "DISTRIB_RELEASE=11.10"
[08:29] <brot> i did an strace to look what could go wrong and found that my /etc/debian_version says "wheezy/sid"
[08:30] <brot> so maybe that is why i dont get upgrades. or do you know what goes wrong?
[08:31] <pmjdebruijn> brot: does update-manager -d work?
[08:32] <bazhang> bug #938904
[08:32] <ronalde> Dutch users have a serious bug (#938904) in unity-lens-video because single quotes don't get escaped. Because of the visibility of the Video Lens this is a real serious bug for Dutch users. Unfortunaltely the mentioned bug (to which I attached a simple patch) is marked as a duplicate of #936141 which is unaccessable (marked a private). What to do?
[08:33] <bazhang> bug #936141
[08:33] <davidcalle> ronalde, this is fixed and should land in Precise tomorrow or monday.
[08:33] <madeline> has anyone tried the gma 3150 chipset with 12.04 beta 1? any improvements
[08:33] <bazhang> bizarre
[08:33] <ronalde> davidcalle, why can't I see the bug (and solution)?
[08:34] <bazhang> it's sekrit
[08:34] <davidcalle> bazhang, ronalde, the bug contains private user info, that's why.
[08:34] <bazhang> davidcalle, thanks
[08:34] <davidcalle> ronalde, nevertheless, I can direct you to a PPA if you want the fix right now.
[08:34] <ronalde> the status information could have saved me some time though
[08:34] <brot> pmjdebruijn: i will try, brb
[08:35] <davidcalle> ronalde, agreed.
[08:35] <ronalde> I just build a fixed package myself
[08:35] <ronalde> ... thanks ...
[08:36] <pmjdebruijn> brot: do check the release notes of beta1, they say something about this
[08:36] <ronalde> davidcalle, bazhang and me wondered whether we should file a bug against launchapd (because it reports the bug doesn't exist, which of course isn't so.
[08:36] <bazhang> ronalde, that was more tongue in cheek than a real suggestion
[08:36] <brot> pmjdebruijn: update-manager -d does not work, too :)
[08:36] <davidcalle> ronalde, no problem. And you are right, status of the main bug should be replicated to duplicates...
[08:37] <bazhang> just glad we caught davidcalle here
[08:38] <davidcalle> bazhang, I have xchat highlighting on "lens" :)
[08:38] <bazhang> heh
[08:38] <mvo> brot: could you please run "DEBUG_UPDATE_MANAGER=1 do-release-upgrade -d" and see if that outputs anything interessting?
[08:39] <brot> "reading file '/var/lib/update-manager/meta-release-lts-development'" - for some reason it reads the LTS file
[08:40] <brot> http://paste.ubuntu.com/864747/ <- whole output
[08:41] <brot> that explains why it says there is nothing, however that does not explain why it thinks 11.10 is an lts.
[08:42] <brot> now that i have set it to look for non lts versions, it works.
[08:42] <mvo> brot: great - odd though if that happend on a 11.10 install
[08:43] <brot> weird, that must have been set while the (not quite smooth) upgrade from 11.04 -> 11.10
[08:44] <brot> this is my htpc, and it has been upgraded from 8.04, so maybe its some old cruft that confused the update-process. thanks for your help mvo :)
[08:46] <mvo> yw
[08:48] <brot> soo, doing some cleanup and then lets see if 12.04 runs smooth :)
[08:51] <scar3crow> well, I'm impressed...
[10:26] <ubiguy> morning
[10:26] <ubiguy> how do i install i386 libs for amd64 ver of lubuntu?
[10:28] <magn3ts> Is gnome-shell going to be fixed such that I can change the metacity/mutter theme without having to logout and login?
[10:28] <magn3ts> This works fine in the gnome-shell in ricotz's ppa
[10:28] <magn3ts> and has worked there since the version that 12.04 is pulling.
[10:36] <ubiguy> who where in here today and told me ubuntu repo has all stuff the bt repo has?
[10:48] <pangolin> I took the time to grep and it would be a waste not to give the answer even though they left
[10:48] <pangolin> bazhang> ubiguy, 90% of those packages are in ubuntu repos
[10:48] <pangolin> sorry bout the ping bazhang :)
[11:06] <htorque> hi all! did anyone here get systemtap to work (with glib or at all)?
[11:11] <FernandoMiguel> what's wrong with flash?
[11:11] <FernandoMiguel> hasn't worked for the last couple of days
[11:11] <FernandoMiguel> in both chrome and FF
[11:48] <wtfdoggie22> hi, just noticed that installing on btrfs with the personal-file-encryption enabled will crash the installer
[11:52] <melvincv> guys who tested the beta so far, where can I see the top bugs?
[11:56] <melvincv> I mean, is there a a particular page for Precise bugs?
[12:11] <wtfdoggie22> by the way, i cannot find ccsm anywhere
[12:12] <wtfdoggie22> where is ccsm? how can i configure desktop effects?
[12:24] <zzecool> does anyone knows where the hell empathy keeps the chat logs ?
[12:25] <zzecool> every single time they release a new version we have to quess the new path .......................
[12:25] <zzecool> idiots
[12:31] <melvincv> lol
[12:41] <melvincv> Got it https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise
[13:27] <madeline> updated my 12.04 beta 1 and when i rebooted, all i can see is the default wallpaper..
[13:27] <madeline> any ideas?
[13:38] <madeline> anyone?
[13:50] <LordDeath> hi
[13:50] <LordDeath> is there currently a problem with the haskell packages in ubuntu 12.04?
[13:51] <LordDeath> ubuntu wants to update 149 packages but uninstall the haskell plattform
[13:52] <pmjdebruijn> maybe new major version?
[13:53]  * pmjdebruijn is just guessing
[13:59] <LordDeath> pmjdebruijn: there seems to be an issue with the depencies
[13:59] <LordDeath> aptitude doesn't even want to update anything
[13:59] <LordDeath> it is holding back 149 packages
[14:01] <LordDeath> better I don't run any updates today
[14:03] <pmjdebruijn> you are already on 12.04?
[14:03] <pmjdebruijn> are you sure your upgrade went properly?
[14:03] <pmjdebruijn> 149 packages seems a lot
[14:04] <LordDeath> yes it worked fine
[14:04] <LordDeath> until today
[14:04] <pmjdebruijn> you haven't updated for a weak
[14:04] <LordDeath> last update was yesterday ^^
[14:04] <LordDeath> maybe they rolled out a lot of new updates due to the beta1 release
[14:04] <pmjdebruijn> possible
[14:05] <pmjdebruijn> can you try apt-get update && apt-get upgrade again?
[14:05] <pmjdebruijn> rarely I've seen dependancies issues, because the repos were in process of being updated
[14:05] <LordDeath> should I paste the output in pastebin?
[14:05] <pmjdebruijn> sure
[14:10] <LordDeath> http://pastebin.com/GCh1v1Q8
[14:10] <LordDeath> http://pastebin.com/3TZQXiyg
[14:13] <pmjdebruijn> LordDeath: you might want to disable backports
[14:14] <LordDeath> did I enable them? ^^
[14:14] <pmjdebruijn> also the german output doesn't help
[14:14] <pmjdebruijn> I think so
[14:14]  * pmjdebruijn isn't sure
[14:14] <pmjdebruijn> what does apt-get dist-upgrade do btw?
[14:15] <LordDeath> without the backports repo the result is the same
[14:19] <LordDeath> http://pastebin.com/pKU6mxcZ
[14:21] <pmjdebruijn> very odd
[14:22] <pmjdebruijn> LordDeath: to be honest then I have no clue... maybe wait a day, and see if it resolved itself tomorrow?
[14:22] <pmjdebruijn> LordDeath: if it doesn't resolve itself, it might be worth filing a bug
[14:22] <LordDeath> ok
[14:23] <LordDeath> another haskell developer with more clue than us will hopefully notice that ^^
[14:30] <glosoli> zzecool: http://goo.gl/hStpc have you read that already  ?
[14:46] <sagarchalise> Is it possible to upgrade the packages only if I have an iso, If so how ?
[14:50] <glosoli> sagarchalise: try searching for smth called somehow like rsync or zsync
[15:00] <glosoli> ironhalik: Hey, are you here ?
[15:09] <sagarchalise> Hey guys, Is it possible to upgrade packages from iso in an already installed system ?
[15:10] <glosoli> sagarchalise: already said "<glosoli> sagarchalise: try searching for smth called somehow like rsync or zsync"
[15:11] <glosoli> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ZsyncCdImage
[15:11] <Daekdroom> Wow. The light-themes update is quite interesting.
[15:11] <Daekdroom> The windows sort of grey out when they're not focused.
[15:13] <glosoli> Daekdroom: hmm screenshot ?
[15:14] <Daekdroom> There are some in bug 940190
[15:18] <glosoli> Daekdroom: In btw do you anything common with Qt ? QtDesigner ?
[15:18] <zzecool> glosoli: yes i did
[15:18] <zzecool> :p
[15:19] <zzecool> glosoli: my comment got the most likes ;p
[15:19] <glosoli> zzecool: so what ?:DD
[15:19] <zzecool> nothing much tho
[15:19] <zzecool> allrdy answer
[15:19] <zzecool> ;p
[15:20] <Captain_Proton> anyone else having a problem login into gnome-shell after the update today?
[15:21] <User_007> Hello guys, i installed precise amd64 here, and after installing pastie (okay it was from oneiric) it don't work because it can't find the module pastielib.cli, that is on usr/share/pyshared/ . Doesanyone have a clue about why this is happening?
[15:21] <glosoli> zzecool: hadn't switched to GS :DD
[15:21] <glosoli> zzecool: after using unity for such a long time, GS seams useless :D
[15:22] <zzecool> true
[15:22] <glosoli> zzecool: would you mind repeating me that ppa for indicators stuff ? :D
[15:22] <zzecool> wait
[15:22] <glosoli> wow 100 mb of updates :D
[15:22] <zzecool> :O
[15:23] <Captain_Proton> zzecool, you have a problem login into gnome-shell after the update? when I login I get a blank screen
[15:23] <zzecool> Captain_Proton: im not using gs
[15:23] <glosoli> Captain_Proton: he don't use GS
[15:23] <glosoli> so don't I :)
[15:23] <zzecool> but i will try for you in a min
[15:23] <zzecool> glosoli: i dont have a ppa for indicators
[15:24] <zzecool> only for ubuntu one
[15:24] <glosoli> Captain_Proton: Are there any custom themes properly working for GS in Precise ?
[15:24] <glosoli> zzecool: weather indicator
[15:24] <zzecool> i dont use it
[15:24] <Oli> Is there a known bug that stops a precise livecd booting on nvidia hardware? Is Nouveau still rogered?
[15:25] <zzecool> no clue
[15:26] <Captain_Proton> glosoli, not sure I could not get any to work last night. but I did not put much time in it
[15:26] <zzecool> Captain_Proton: are you using ati or nvidia?
[15:26] <Captain_Proton> nope intel 3000
[15:27] <zzecool> so you was able to login
[15:27] <zzecool> im using nvidia
[15:27] <zzecool> im doing now the latest updates
[15:27] <Captain_Proton> yes it just login into a black screen
[15:27] <zzecool> and i wll try
[15:27] <zzecool> ok
[15:27] <Captain_Proton> well the wallpaper is there
[15:27] <UnknownFearNG> Hello all. I have the option of upgrading to 12.04 LTS. I was wondering, is it stable enough, or should I wait till it's fully released? I wouldn't mind testing it, but I would be using it as my main computer
[15:28] <glosoli> zzecool: is the same for you as you set desktop background it is also being used as LightDM  ?
[15:28] <zzecool> UnknownFearNG: its quite stable im on precise since alpha 1
[15:28] <Captain_Proton> for the must part yes
[15:28] <Captain_Proton> me to
[15:28] <zzecool> glosoli: this works only for the defualt wallpapers
[15:28] <zzecool> there is allrdy a bug
[15:28] <zzecool> for this
[15:28] <glosoli> UnknownFearNG: please don't do that
[15:28] <glosoli> UnknownFearNG: if it's your main computer and you don't want to desting stuff, don't upgrade yet :)
[15:29] <UnknownFearNG> but it's sooo tempting :P
[15:29] <zzecool> its my main
[15:29] <zzecool> and i tool the big step ;p
[15:29] <glosoli> UnknownFearNG: I am using it on my Main machine too, but from time to time little problems apear that are quite anyoing :)
[15:29] <zzecool> living on the edge lol
[15:29] <Captain_Proton> lol
[15:29] <glosoli> UnknownFearNG: patience is the best way to success :D
[15:30] <sagarchalise> I wanted to know if I could extract deb files from the ubuntu iso or use it with apt so that I could upgrade my system ?  Is this possible ?
[15:30] <UnknownFearNG> like what? I would only have a LAMP server, occasional programming in the terminal, etc.
[15:30] <zzecool> sagarchalise:  search for apt-cd
[15:30] <zzecool> sagarchalise: i think you can also add cd to the sources
[15:31] <zzecool> using the update manaer gui
[15:31] <zzecool> manager
[15:31] <sagarchalise> zzecool: I tried
[15:31] <Captain_Proton> UnknownFearNG, it really depends if you like to play with stuff & conformable on the command line & know enuff about linux to fix stuff or know who to search google
[15:32] <glosoli> Captain_Proton: he is gone
[15:32] <Captain_Proton> ooh well
[15:33] <zzecool> Milka & Daim  = Paradise !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11
[15:35] <glosoli> Brasero is piece of crap completely
[15:35] <glosoli> always has been
[15:35] <glosoli> 2 years I am not able to blank any cd/dvd with it
[15:35] <zzecool> install nero
[15:35] <zzecool> just like that
[15:35] <glosoli> zzecool: you mean buy it
[15:35] <glosoli>  ?
[15:36] <zzecool> i mean install it
[15:36] <glosoli> zzecool: isn't it priced ?
[15:37] <zzecool> ;/
[15:37] <zzecool> i dont remember
[15:37] <glosoli> never tryed nero on linux will give it a try
[15:37] <zzecool> it rocks
[15:37] <zzecool> just like win
[15:38] <zzecool> + nice loading splash screen
[15:38] <zzecool> ;p
[15:38] <zzecool> im restarting brb
[15:47] <Captain_Proton> brb
[15:47] <droid2> Hi
[15:48] <droid2> Im getting blank screen after boot
[15:51] <droid2> Anyone else having problems booting
[16:15] <droid2> Hello anyone here
[16:15] <Captain_Proton> nope
[16:16] <Captain_Proton> what you need :)
[16:17] <droid2> I just upgraded my ubuntu 11.10 to 12.04 and it wont boot past grub screen goes blank and not even xfailsafe boots problem with xorg i think says no screens
[16:17] <droid2> My screen looses signal
[16:18] <Captain_Proton> Do you see a remove conflicting operating systems file for a long time?
[16:18] <droid2> I check if nvidia-current was installed
[16:18] <droid2> No havnt seen anything like that
[16:19] <droid2> Wont boot to gui
[16:19] <Captain_Proton> ca you boot to recovery mode?
[16:19] <droid2> Yeah i can to root
[16:20] <droid2> But xfailsafe doesnt work
[16:20] <Captain_Proton> quick way is rename the /etc/X11/xorg.conf to old or something
[16:20] <droid2> Ok i'll try that quick
[16:20] <Captain_Proton> that will let it atleast boot  using the vesa driver then you can use the nvidea gui to fix your xorg file
[16:23] <droid2> 2secs im afk
[16:24] <Captain_Proton> droid2, brb
[16:24] <droid2> Ok cool
[16:35] <droid2> No still same problem after grub it shows ubuntu screen the screen goes blank
[16:36] <droid2> Xorg.failsafe uses vesa too but complains about no screen configuration
[16:37] <droid2> Fatal server error no screens found
[17:02] <User_007> Hey guys. On precise AMD64 indicator-cpufreq requires my sudo password everytime. Is there a way to avoid the need to put the password?
[17:07] <User_007> whois artfwo
[17:11] <glosoli> Am I blind but was Nautilus look updated  ?
[17:14] <Captain_Proton> needs some help I install gnome shell . It is working but I have run gnome-shell --replace every-time I login. Anyone have any thoughts
[17:14] <Daekdroom> Captain_Proton, try changing the session.
[17:14] <Daekdroom> Click the white round button above the password input box.
[17:15] <Captain_Proton> lol I am. I am login in to the gnome session
[17:15] <Daekdroom> And it starts Unity instead?
[17:16] <Captain_Proton> no it login in a desktop with a wallpaper. then I have ctrl alt t and type gnome-shell -replace or it will just sit there
[17:18] <Captain_Proton> droid2, did that fix your problem
[17:18] <baronos> if install the alternate ubuntu 12.04 command line, after to install gnome-desktop-envirinment. after restart PC "Kernel panic" (sorry for my bad english)
[17:19] <Daekdroom> I've just tested it and it happens to me too.
[17:20] <Captain_Proton> Daekdroom, it work last night, then I had a big problem today after the update. I was finally able to to login but now I get this.
[17:21] <zzecool> Captain_Proton: you are right
[17:21] <zzecool> lol
[17:21] <zzecool> instead of gnome shell what i got was a unity  desktop  but not mine
[17:21] <zzecool> im gonna try reinstall gnome shell
[17:22] <glosoli> zzecool: Nautilus look updated ?
[17:22] <droid2> No still having problems no screens found
[17:22] <brobostigon> zzecool: have you tried to choose the different De from login?
[17:22] <zzecool> brobostigon:  de?
[17:22] <zzecool> i choosed gnome
[17:22] <brobostigon> zzecool: desktop environment.
[17:23] <brobostigon> ok,
[17:23] <zzecool> ermm ?
[17:23] <brobostigon> zzecool: just an idea. sorry.
[17:23] <Captain_Proton> I hope this fix it soon, I just been DE hooping to see which one I can live in KDE ok but not very stable even for being 4.8, unity ok but always using two screen the second bar killing me.
[17:23] <zzecool> :O
[17:23] <glosoli> zzecool: ? :D
[17:23] <zzecool> afk
[17:24] <Captain_Proton>  droid2 did you have a xorg.conf?
[17:27] <seyacat> hil all
[17:27] <karlhunt> Has anyone heard of a bug where the system goes sluggish while charging?
[17:28] <glosoli> hmm
[17:28] <glosoli> not me
[17:28] <glosoli> zzecool: why :D
[17:28] <zzecool> going to buy an iPhone
[17:28] <zzecool> fan boy .
[17:28] <zzecool> lol
[17:28] <zzecool> im not gonna wait 7 months for 5g
[17:28] <zzecool> so im going for 4s
[17:29] <crimsun> baronos: can you boot into rescue using the alternate installer, then pull hw info? Namely I'm looking for what arch your system is.
[17:29] <seyacat> hi all, i have problems with performace in my wifi conection
[17:29] <seyacat> can you help me?
[17:30] <crimsun> seyacat: could you provide more wifi hw info, please?
[17:33] <seyacat> 00:19.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82578DC Gigabit Network Connection (rev 06)
[17:33] <seyacat> 01:00.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8169 Gigabit Ethernet (rev 10)
[17:33] <seyacat> Im not sure what is
[17:36] <yofel> seyacat: can you explain 'problems' a bit more
[17:36] <yofel> ?
[17:36] <seyacat> I found it 0e:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation WiFi Link 5100
[17:37] <seyacat> The problem is, when i use precise, the wifi network conection are very very slow. I can compare because i have Natty in same machine.
[17:38] <seyacat> i found a page saying disable IPV6 can solve the problem
[17:38] <nhaines> Did it help?
[17:40] <yofel> seyacat: I've seen people talking about problems with intel and N network support, what's your network?
[17:40] <seyacat> The router is BGN
[17:41] <yofel> hm, if I get the intel numbers right the card should support N and thus use it
[17:42] <yofel> I've no idea where to look then
[17:42] <glosoli> yofel: nautilus sidebar  color was updated ?
[17:43]  * yofel doesn't use nautilus
[17:43] <glosoli> eh
[17:43] <yofel> I use KDE -> dolphin
[17:43] <glosoli> Used to like KDE
[17:43] <glosoli> :)
[17:43] <glosoli> some time ago
[17:44] <yofel> well, not saying that it doesn't have problems...
[17:44] <baronos> crimsun: i use i386 arch.
[17:44] <glosoli> yofel: I am not saying that Gnome isn't having problems, KDE is more mature
[17:45] <yofel> I'll try gnome again for 3.6, and see how it compares to how kde 4.3 did back then
[17:45] <glosoli> Gnome 3 for KDE 4.3 ?
[17:45] <glosoli> 3.6 for 4.3 ?
[17:46] <yofel> gnome uses a different versioning scheme, so their .6 roughly equals .3 for kde
[17:46] <glosoli> yofel: don't think so :)
[17:46] <glosoli> yofel: if it doesn't make to the mainline doesn't mean we are having custom scheme
[17:46] <glosoli> yofel: it's because of ubuntu release schedule not Gnome versioning scheme
[17:46] <yofel> well, that was last time I looked at the schedules, which is quite a while back (2.26?)
[17:47] <glosoli> 2.26 is ancient old
[17:47] <yofel> glosoli: I know, but I'm going to compare gnome and KDE, not ubuntu and kde
[17:47] <glosoli> i understand but the reality doesn't compare older versions  to newer, KDE sucked totally till 4.6
[17:47] <glosoli> for me :) I was using it for a quite time
[17:48] <baronos> crimsun: Yesterday, the image alternate ubuntu 12.04 amd64 installed without any problems)
[17:48] <yofel> 4.3 was when I used it again. That was usable. I'll agree that it's better these days though (EXCEPT kdepim)
[17:50] <glosoli> yofel: you ever used unity ?
[17:50] <yofel> for a few days in 11.10 to try it, but never much
[18:00] <zzecool> glosoli: ?
[18:00] <zzecool> you here?
[18:03] <zzecool> Captain_Proton: are you here?
[18:03] <Captain_Proton> yes
[18:03] <zzecool> very strange problem
[18:03] <Captain_Proton> zzecool, whats up
[18:03] <zzecool> i did reinstall gnome shell
[18:04] <zzecool> but when i choose to login to gnome shell i got a unity shell
[18:04] <Captain_Proton> did it work after that?
[18:04] <zzecool> ;/
[18:04] <zzecool> no
[18:04] <zzecool> im gettings a strange unity shell not default but close to my settings
[18:04] <Captain_Proton> is it the full one or just the window themes
[18:04] <zzecool> close not the same
[18:05] <zzecool> full unity sheel
[18:05] <zzecool> shell
[18:05] <zzecool> a working one
[18:05] <zzecool> something is completely broken
[18:05] <zzecool> nautilus is broken too
[18:05] <Captain_Proton> wow that worried mine just the window themes
[18:06] <Captain_Proton> i think they update a share lib or something. if you do gnome-shell --replace does that work
[18:14] <glosoli> zzecool: Dunno don't use GS any more, maybe ask your Siri in iPhone, he might known an answer :D
[18:14] <zzecool> lol
[18:14] <zzecool> i didnt got it
[18:14] <zzecool> tommorow
[18:14] <zzecool> :)
[18:14] <zzecool> siri is stupid like hell
[18:17] <glosoli> zzecool: :DD how can you say so for an iPhone 4S kicker app :DDD
[18:17] <zzecool> ....
[18:18] <zzecool> its ok is you have a native accent
[18:18] <zzecool> it works most of the time with my accent  but....
[18:18] <zzecool> glosoli: more updates landed
[18:19] <zzecool> crash again
[18:19] <zzecool> i think beta 1 is worst than alpha 2
[18:19] <zzecool> lol
[18:20] <zzecool> its ok if* you have a native accent
[18:22] <glosoli> zzecool: it works for me better
[18:23] <cheako> where can I find /usr/share/locale-langpack?  perl is complaining about setting the local and strace says this folder..
[18:24] <zzecool> glosoli: do you have faenza icons installed?
[18:24] <cheako> http://pastebin.com/Mi4Hkhc9
[18:25] <ironhalik> Bug #945019
[18:25] <zzecool> #945019
[18:25] <zzecool> oups
[18:25] <Daekdroom> Does that mean we shouldn't upgrade?
[18:25] <zzecool> this isnt the only problem
[18:25] <Daekdroom> I mean, will it break things badly if we do?
[18:25] <jpds> Daekdroom: No, apparmor will just not work.
[18:26] <Daekdroom> Ok. Thank you.
[18:26] <jpds> zzecool: Yes, but it's the only pressing problem.
[18:26] <zzecool> gnome shell is inaccessible  , nautilus is crashing randomly and more
[18:26] <jpds> zzecool: Not here.
[18:26] <zzecool> jpds: try to join to gnome shell
[18:26] <zzecool> and tell us
[18:26] <glosoli> zzecool: I do  :) I fixed it up :)
[18:26] <zzecool> because 3 ppl here we cant
[18:27] <Daekdroom> I didn't get to see nautilus crashing randomly.
[18:27] <glosoli> zzecool: added categories to system settings, also changed status icons used the ones from ubuntu-mono-light
[18:27] <glosoli> Daekdroom: nautilus runs perfectly now for me
[18:27] <zzecool> i see
[18:27] <zzecool> glosoli: try this then to see if you have the nautilus problem
[18:27] <zzecool> wait
[18:28] <zzecool> glosoli: go to /usr/share/icons/Faenza-Dark/status/22
[18:29] <zzecool> not with terminal with nautilus
[18:29] <zzecool> pick an icon and copy paste it on your desktop
[18:29] <zzecool> tell me if you crash
[18:31] <jpds> zzecool: No such file/directory.
[18:31] <zzecool> jpds: its a cuotm icon set
[18:31] <jpds> zzecool: As I said; not as pressing as an upgrade that doesn't work.
[18:31] <zzecool> try copy an icon from default ubuntu-mono-dark
[18:31] <zzecool> or somehtine like that
[18:31] <glosoli> zzecool: did that yesterday night i think
[18:32] <zzecool> glosoli: ?
[18:32] <zzecool> can you try to copy an icon now ?
[18:34] <zzecool> jpds: try to copy an icon from /usr/share/icons/ubuntu-mono-dark/status to the desktop   using nautilus
[18:34] <zzecool> and tell me
[18:34] <jpds> zzecool: Nothing, doesn't crash.
[18:34] <zzecool> im curious
[18:35] <glosoli> zzecool: give me exact command you want me to try
[18:35] <zzecool> it crashes every time here
[18:35] <zzecool> glosoli: i said neutilus
[18:35] <zzecool> dont use terminal
[18:35] <zzecool> nautilus*
[18:36] <zzecool> right click copy is the command and then right click paste on desktop
[18:37] <glosoli> zzecool: i need then gksu nautilus
[18:37] <glosoli> ah i dont
[18:37] <zzecool> you dont
[18:38] <glosoli> zzecool: Yeah nautilus crashes
[18:38] <glosoli> that way
[18:38] <zzecool> ....
[18:38] <zzecool> i told ya
[18:38] <zzecool> but the file is copied
[18:38] <glosoli> whatever I don't copy under /usr/share can live with that until it's fixed
[18:38] <glosoli> :D
[18:39] <zzecool> glosoli: i will file a bug
[18:39] <zzecool> :P
[18:44] <zzecool> glosoli: you can copy form everywhere
[18:44] <zzecool> not only usr/share ... etc
[18:44] <zzecool> cant*
[18:44] <zzecool> ;/
[18:44] <zzecool> i tryied
[18:45] <zzecool> tried*
[18:46] <Captain_Proton> zzecool, crashes for me to
[18:46] <synic> hi folks, is there a known problem with nvidia cards and precise?  It keeps locking up on me
[18:46] <synic> the mouse will move and I can switch to virtual terminals, but X is no longer responsive
[18:46] <zzecool> synic: im on nvidia and im ok
[18:47] <synic> also, I have two monitors.  There seems to be an edge grab in the middle now, is there a way to disable that?
[18:48] <synic> or maybe a way to disable the launcher on the second monitor
[18:48] <zzecool> synic: you can djust the grab
[18:48] <zzecool> adjust
[18:48] <zzecool> using ccsm
[18:48] <zzecool> under unity plugin
[18:48] <synic> I looked for it in there, but I'm not sure which one is doing it
[18:49] <synic> there's nothing related to the grab in ccsm under the unity plugin
[18:49] <zzecool> do you have the launcher in autohide??
[18:49] <zzecool> or always on
[18:49] <zzecool> ?
[18:49] <synic> never
[18:49] <zzecool> wait
[18:49] <zzecool> i cant help you right now
[18:49] <zzecool> i have to restart first
[18:50] <zzecool> unity lenses cashed
[18:50] <synic> hrmm, maybe I did find it
[18:50] <zzecool> it is there
[18:50] <synic> launcher edge stop pressure
[18:50] <zzecool> search
[18:50] <synic> sounds like a winner
[18:50] <synic> I'll give it a try
[18:50] <zzecool> prolly
[18:52] <synic> hrmm, you can tweak it it seems, but you can't turn it off completely
[18:52] <Dunkirk_> Anyone know how to get gnome classic working? All I get is my pointer.
[18:53] <Dunkirk_> Apparently, it's this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/936487, but is there a workaround?
[18:55] <Captain_Proton> Dunkirk_, login ctrl+alt+t then type gnome-shell --replace
[18:55] <Dunkirk_> Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[18:58] <Captain_Proton> Dunkirk_, sorry then I am not sure whatever broken et hope they fix soon
[18:59] <Dunkirk_> Captain_Proton: Well, I appreciate the effort.
[19:00] <flacoste> what's up with all the unity changes appearing in beta1 !?!
[19:00] <flacoste> the close buttons moved back to the right
[19:00] <flacoste> global menu is gone
[19:01] <Captain_Proton> you could try gnome-fallback --replace < I think that what it called
[19:01] <flacoste> why don't i have any workspaces anymore?
[19:01] <Captain_Proton> to late :)
[19:01] <flacoste> anyway i get back workspaces?
[19:06] <ironhalik> anyone knows if the intel 5100 wifi card has power managment enabled?
[19:07] <ironhalik> by enabled I mean not disabled by the module devs
[19:15] <Captain_Proton> zzecool, did the reboot help?
[19:23] <zzecool> glosoli: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/945039
[19:23] <zzecool> glosoli: i just got light themes update
[19:23] <zzecool> try refresh :D
[19:23] <yofel> zzecool: apport doesn't create a crash report?
[19:23] <zzecool> yofel: no
[19:23] <yofel> o.O
[19:24] <zzecool> i just get a crash
[19:24] <zzecool> even if i start nautilus form terminal
[19:24] <yofel> any segfault message in 'dmesg' ?
[19:24] <zzecool> i dont get any error
[19:24] <yofel> @_@
[19:24] <yofel> weird
[19:25] <zzecool> no seg faults
[19:25] <zzecool> either
[19:25] <zzecool> dmesg is clear
[19:25] <zzecool> yofel: try your self
[19:25] <zzecool> :)
[19:26] <zzecool> you gonna crash ;p
[19:29] <yofel> zzecool: [45744.142545] nautilus[18373]: segfault at 7ff400000008 ip 00007ff5302873bf sp 00007fff848f1b70 error 6 in libgio-2.0.so.0.3118.0[7ff530228000+155000]
[19:29] <yofel> apport only created a crash report on the second try though o.O
[19:30] <zzecool> where did you get this segfault ?
[19:30] <zzecool> demsg?
[19:30] <zzecool> dmesg*
[19:30] <zzecool> ?
[19:30] <yofel> dmesg
[19:30] <zzecool> strange
[19:30] <zzecool> let me try again
[19:30] <yofel> open nautilus, ctrl+drag a folder onto the desktop folder -> crash
[19:31] <yofel> apport redirected to bug 944624
[19:32] <zzecool> yofel: im not getting any segfault
[19:32] <zzecool> or anything justa crash
[19:32] <zzecool> ;/
[19:32] <yofel> what does it print on the terminal?
[19:32] <zzecool> nothing at all
[19:33]  * yofel is clueless then
[19:33] <zzecool> lol
[19:33] <yofel> maybe strace it to see what it does
[19:34] <zzecool> yofel: i dont have any xperience with strace
[19:34] <zzecool> is it strace nautilus ?
[19:34] <yofel> yep
[19:34] <yofel> will print a LOT to stderr
[19:35] <zzecool> nothing
[19:35] <zzecool> :D
[19:35] <zzecool> just an exit
[19:36] <yofel> uh, nautilus actually opens?
[19:36] <zzecool> yes
[19:36] <zzecool> i made it
[19:37] <zzecool> apport started :D
[19:37] <zzecool> let me see
[19:37] <yofel> :D
[19:37] <zzecool> and i got segfault
[19:37] <zzecool> :P
[19:37] <zzecool> on temrinal
[19:37] <zzecool> terminal
[19:37] <zzecool> yofel: erm you are not gonna believe it
[19:38] <yofel> apport crashed?
[19:38] <zzecool> apport is tracing the strace app
[19:38] <zzecool> .............
[19:38] <yofel> LOL
[19:38] <zzecool> ...
[19:38] <zzecool> .........
[19:38] <zzecool> bitch please ;p
[19:43] <malkauns> how do u use HUD in the 12.04 beta?
[19:43] <zzecool> press alt
[19:44] <malkauns> doesnt work
[19:44] <malkauns> just show menu
[19:47] <malkauns> ?
[20:18] <madeline> what java version do i use in 12.04 beta 1
[20:20] <madeline> test
[20:21] <jtaylor> madeline: openjdk 6 and 7 are available
[20:21] <itaylor57> madeline, i use oracle 7 myself
[20:22] <madeline> thanks
[20:27] <steve82> ould like to know if there is anyway to remove Gnome options from the environment selection on the session manager in Ubuntu 12.04? Thank you in advance.
[20:31] <steve82> ould like to know if there is anyway to remove Gnome options from the environment selection on the session manager in Ubuntu 12.04? Thank you in advance.
[20:39] <aguitel> steve82, what gnome options?
[20:39] <steve82> from the main login sceen when i boot my system
[20:40] <aguitel> gdm?
[20:59] <gnomefreak> yay!! fix one crash get 2 more
[21:08] <pangolin> I have been getting this error every time I reboot/login http://imagebin.org/201635 what is causing it? I think it may be neopunk indexer but I'm really not sure.
[21:09] <pangolin> I've disabled indexing of emails, will see on next reboot if it happens again
[21:11] <yofel> if it's any kind of "failed to fetch the ressource collection" then that's something misconfigured in akonadi
[21:11] <yofel> looking in akonadiconsole might help
[21:18] <pangolin> hmm I don't see anything email related in akonadi
[21:21] <yofel> pangolin: kmail uses akonadi to store emails though, so you should still see your account there. From the error message I would think it's a "Local Folders" ressource or so
[21:22] <yofel> something with akonadi_maildir_resource_* as Identifier
[21:22] <pangolin> I use thunderbird but assume it still applies
[21:23] <yofel> akonadi would probably still be running, and it does a self-check on start which can show those messages
[21:23] <yofel> sadly it doesn't have a self-correction as well -.-
[21:29] <glosoli> yofel: do you know a difference between XV and OpenGL GLX ?
[21:30] <glosoli> in vlc
[21:30] <yofel> nope, I don't usually use anything besides XV for video output in players
[21:31] <glosoli> yofel: why xv ?
[21:31] <yofel> dunno, it's the default as far as I know
[21:31] <yofel> and X does the rendering pretty well
[21:32] <glosoli> yofel: does it use GPU ?
[21:32] <yofel> I don't think so. I know for nvidia there's vdpau or so for hardware accelerated decoding
[21:38] <glosoli> yofel: found that XV uses Graphics
[21:53] <JMLatvala> Anyone tried the 12.04 beta yet? :)
[21:53] <gnomefreak> yes
[21:53] <JMLatvala> What do you think about it?
[21:53]  * gnomefreak upgrades when archives first open (within 7 days of opening
[21:53] <JMLatvala> I'm testing it right now in VMware Workstation
[21:53] <gnomefreak> JMLatvala: its comming along
[21:53] <JMLatvala> It seems pretty quick
[22:05] <gnomefreak> yofel: are you getting ubuntuone crashes upon unity loading? its a login crash when it tries to login automaticlly)
[22:05] <gnomefreak> damn fingers
[22:05] <yofel> gnomefreak: I'm on KDE, haven't been able to get ubuntuone to connect at all so far in precise
[22:08] <gnomefreak> yofel: that could be the same issue but unity throws an error maybe kde doesnt
[22:11] <yofel> gnomefreak: for me u1sdtool hangs on every command until I kill -9 it
[22:18] <gnomefreak> thats odd. no?
[22:18]  * gnomefreak cant get 2 pagesw to print the full pages
[22:19] <gnomefreak> oh well. im out for a while
[22:31] <FernandoMiguel> any idea on how to use gnome-do?
[22:32] <FernandoMiguel> the Super function from Unity is overwritting it :\
[22:33] <glosoli> gnome-do is not supported in unity or is it ?
[22:35] <FernandoMiguel> shouldn't even mix glosoli
[22:36] <glosoli> Last release June 2009
[22:36] <glosoli> hmm
[22:36] <FernandoMiguel> ehe
[22:36] <FernandoMiguel> works great for me
[22:36] <FernandoMiguel> I can't do squat without it
[22:36] <FernandoMiguel> Unity is still miles way what I can do with gnome-do
[22:37] <glosoli> unity is shell
[22:38] <glosoli> not just simple app like gnome-do
[22:41] <FernandoMiguel> ik
[22:47] <neglesaks> i read that as "Unity is hell". sorry .I
[22:47] <FernandoMiguel> LOLOLOLOL
[22:48] <glosoli> neglesaks: might be true :DDDDD
[22:49] <itaylor57> i like unity
[22:49] <glosoli> itaylor57: so do I ! :>
[22:51] <FernandoMiguel> it grew on me
[22:51] <FernandoMiguel> like herpes
[22:51] <glosoli> :DDD
[22:51] <glosoli> FernandoMiguel:  I am sorry for you to have herpes :D
[22:52] <FernandoMiguel> how about HUD?
[22:52] <FernandoMiguel> who is enjoying it ?
[22:52] <FernandoMiguel> I tough I would like it
[22:52] <FernandoMiguel> but haven't so much
[22:52] <glosoli> FernandoMiguel: I thought I would like it too, but now I find it useless, even changed hotkey for it, not to disturb my work ;D
[22:53] <FernandoMiguel> one of the things that anoies me the most with Global Menu , is that I can't click it on the background, since the foreground window dominates it
[22:53] <glosoli> hmm
[22:54] <Daekdroom> I haven't learned to use HUD :(
[22:54] <Daekdroom> Completely forgettable.
[22:56] <glosoli> Daekdroom: Do you know if it's a bug that Deja-Dup firstly starts backuping everything, and only at the last if it finds that there is not enough space it reverts everything and gives low space message after long time waiting ?
[22:57] <Daekdroom> Huh.. I don't know.
[22:57] <Daekdroom> That's not the best behaviour, tho.
[22:57] <tr33m4n> join #21designs
[22:58] <tr33m4n> woops
[22:58] <glosoli> ;DD
[23:18] <User_007> guys, my indicator-power only shows time remaining: can you help me modify the indicator so it shows percentage instead time?
[23:27] <glosoli> User_007: right click on it
[23:27] <glosoli> User_007: and untick that option "Show time"
[23:27] <glosoli> User_007: As for percentage I am not quite sure it's possible
[23:27] <User_007> ¬¬
[23:28] <User_007> ok, to disable showing time is not the problem, i just want it to show percentage instead
[23:29] <FernandoMiguel> % is sooooo unreliable
[23:29] <User_007> there must be a function inside that changes percentage in tina
[23:29] <User_007> time*
[23:30] <User_007> FernandoMiguel, here it is... time keeps floating.. sometimes it show 3h, few minutes later it shows 35min then 2h....
[23:30] <User_007> with percentage i have a real estimative about how much battery i have
[23:30] <FernandoMiguel> ehe
[23:30] <FernandoMiguel> so will percentage
[23:31] <FernandoMiguel> battery time (or %) changes according to current usage
[23:31] <User_007> yes, but my average usage is 1minute/%
[23:31] <User_007> sometimes i use more power, sometimes less
[23:32] <User_007> a instant time estimator is not what i want
[23:32] <glosoli> User_007:  Percentage is more inaccurate than time
[23:32] <User_007> so you say.
[23:33] <User_007> in my case i do prefer percentage.
[23:33] <glosoli> doing nothing you can see 80 percents, you give processor some hard job it can suddenly drop to 50 and after job finished go back to 75 for example
[23:33] <User_007> glosoli, never happened to me
[23:33] <glosoli> User_007: As its really inaccurate I don't see a point for developers adding it as an option.
[23:33] <itaylor57> that was fun, crashed to ubuntu running in low res grapics
[23:35] <glosoli> User_007: you can try adding to to wish list, but I am pretty sure it will be denied instantly
[23:35] <User_007> glosoli, did you know where can i change it to percentage? (Where in the source code must i change)
[23:36] <glosoli> User_007: Have no idea, anyway if you somehow change the code for that indicator you might get it broken by some updates or smth :)
[23:36] <glosoli> There is really no point seeing everything percentage, it's just a marketing trick
[23:37] <User_007> so i say about time :)
[23:38] <jbicha> that would be bug 811777
[23:39] <glosoli> jbicha and User_007 read the comments.
[23:40] <glosoli> They are pretty right, percentage is piece of crap :)
[23:41] <User_007> glosoli, i respect your opinion, but i disagree :)
[23:41] <glosoli> User_007: I don't respect any opinions without proves
[23:41] <User_007> i do
[23:41] <User_007> :)
[23:41] <glosoli> well that means you are easy to buy
[23:42] <User_007> i respect the opinion, i just not agree
[23:42] <ironhalik> anyone noticed their laptop fan being too agressive?
[23:42] <glosoli> ironhalik: I did, then cleaned CPU Fan :DD and everything's good :D
[23:42] <ironhalik> glosoli: ;>
[23:42] <glosoli> about 4 hours ago :D
[23:42] <ironhalik> glosoli: I think its sth with Ubuntu - an arch it was ok
[23:43] <glosoli> ironhalik: when was the last time you used arch ?
[23:43] <ironhalik> two days ago :>
[23:43] <glosoli> ironhalik: what DE you use here ? and what in Arch ?
[23:43] <ironhalik> Unity here, gnome shell on arch
[23:44] <ironhalik> both 3d based
[23:44] <ironhalik> so shouldnt make so much difference
[23:44] <glosoli> Gnome SHell is a bit more CPU friendly
[23:44] <glosoli> :)
[23:44] <glosoli> as it doesn't use compiz as far as I know and checked
[23:44] <ironhalik> yeah, it uses mutter
[23:44] <ironhalik> thats why its faster :P
[23:45] <glosoli> ironhalik: it's not faster for me
[23:45] <yofel> any stuck process?
[23:45] <yofel> and you could check with powertop if something is causing excessive power consumption
[23:45] <ironhalik> nope, its the same after reboot
[23:45] <glosoli> ironhalik: did updates ?
[23:45] <ironhalik> powertop claims normal discharge rate
[23:46] <ironhalik> yup, latest 12.04
[23:46] <FernandoMiguel> try chrome and see fans go crazy
[23:47]  * glosoli had no probs with Chrome
[23:48] <ironhalik> need to look into the fan
[23:54] <ironhalik> wow, to get to the fan assembly, I need to take apart the whole notebook
[23:54] <ironhalik> I guess Ill asume its a software issue
[23:55] <glosoli> ironhalik: Acer ? :D
[23:55] <ironhalik> dell latitude