[07:21] <benonsoftware> I'm I correct in believing there is a Global Jam event tonight?
[07:23] <head_victim> http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-au/1538/detail/
[07:23] <head_victim> Suggests there is one on in about 2.5 hours.
[07:23] <benonsoftware> head_victim: Thanks
[07:24]  * benonsoftware hopes he can still awake long enough
[07:32] <head_victim> Always logs for later :)
[07:33] <benonsoftware> Yeah, that is one good thing
[07:33]  * benonsoftware feels like a bot
[09:24] <sagaci> jaddi27, the l10n jam in a bit over half an hour?
[09:25] <jaddi27> sagaci: Yes, I plan on starting around then
[09:25] <jaddi27> I will just be eating dinner now, then get ready for it all
[09:25] <benonsoftware> I hope to stay up
[09:25] <jaddi27> benonsoftware: Will be good to have you join in
[09:26] <sagaci> I don't know what you have in mind but I doubt it will go for the full hour
[09:27] <jaddi27> no, I don't think it will. I just plan on working out what we have, what we need to do, and suggestions for what to include
[09:27] <sagaci> yep
[09:27] <sagaci> we should just look through main and check if there's anything to add to the recommends list
[09:28] <sagaci> I briefly did a while but it wasn't a thorough search
[09:29] <sagaci> while ago*
[09:29] <jaddi27> sounds good
[09:40]  * head_victim will check the logs, I was hoping to be able to hang around but I have to head off for about 2 hours :/ 
[09:40] <head_victim> I sent out a dent/tweet a little while ago though
[09:40] <head_victim> Maybe a quick reminder on the FB page would get a couple more in
[09:50] <jaddi27> ok. will do that
[10:01] <jaddi27> #startmeeting UGJ Mar 2012 - Australian Localisation
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[10:01] <jaddi27> #chair sagaci 
[10:01] <meetingology> Current chairs: jaddi27 sagaci
[10:01] <jaddi27> Hi everyone
[10:02] <jaddi27> This is not a formal meeting, but is an easy way to keep track of what happens
[10:03] <jaddi27> We are going to discuss localising Ubuntu for Australia
[10:03] <jaddi27> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/872839
[10:04] <jaddi27> The current status is tracked in a Blueprint under the Ubuntu project on Launchpad
[10:04] <jaddi27> https
[10:04] <jaddi27> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/ubuntu-au-iso-l10n
[10:05] <jaddi27> And for some background on localisation, check out these pages:
[10:05] <jaddi27> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-o-cd-localization
[10:05] <jaddi27> https://wiki.edubuntu.org/DesktopTeam/Specs/Oneiric/LocalizedCDImageTools
[10:06] <jaddi27> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricOcelot/LocalizedImagesRollout
[10:09] <jaddi27> First, I think we should look through the localisation blueprint, and the brainstorming on pad (link on the blueprint page)
[10:10] <jaddi27> http://pad.ubuntu.com/s5Asqt2GWm
[10:11] <jaddi27> Starting with the Browser customisations
[10:16] <sagaci> relog
[10:16] <jaddi27> I think that the suggested browser settings should be used
[10:17] <jaddi27> Maybe we should not change the home page though (unless we can set multiple home pages)
[10:17] <jaddi27> Canonical receive money for people using the default Ubuntu start page, so we should probably leave it there
[10:19] <jaddi27> The Bookmarks list is certainly a good start, and I think that we could come up with a more definitive list for inclusion
[10:20] <jaddi27> What do you all think of bookmarks and home page?
[10:20]  * benonsoftware thinks the homepage should be left to the Ubuntu start page
[10:21] <sagaci> just bringing up the pad
[10:22] <jaddi27> Ok. I just found another section that says the browser start page should not be changed
[10:26] <jaddi27> my apologies for that
[10:27] <jaddi27> Maybe we should move on to the next section
[10:27] <jaddi27> I think the mailing list would be useful, but it might be better to link to a wiki page about the mailing list
[10:28] <benonsoftware> Ok
[10:29] <benonsoftware> jaddi27: So use https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/MailingLists instead of lists.u.c?
[10:29] <jaddi27> benonsoftware: Yes, I think that would be better
[10:30] <benonsoftware> Ok
[10:30] <jaddi27> Just so that people have an idea about what it is - the lists.u.c page is very non-descriptive and confusing for new people
[10:30] <benonsoftware> Yeah
[10:31] <jaddi27> Moving on to the Language Pack
[10:32] <jaddi27> We have now translated 99.9% of packages into en_AU 
[10:32] <jaddi27> so we should be fine setting the default pack to en_AU
[10:32] <jaddi27> If we can set a fallback, I think it should be en_GB, as it is a much closer language to our own
[10:33] <jaddi27> Desktop Wallpaper
[10:34] <sagaci> iirc, you can only set one
[10:34] <jaddi27> I am not entirely sure, but I have a feeling I read somewhere that they did not want the default wallpaper to be changed, as they wanted people to have the main desktop experience for that version of Ubuntu
[10:35] <jaddi27> Maybe we could make a image pack with images that can be used as desktop wallpapers, even if they are not included in the main localisation package
[10:38] <benonsoftware> Ok then
[10:38] <jaddi27> I like the idea of a competition to select images for the pack, as this will assist with getting good quality images for inclusion
[10:38] <jaddi27> Radio Stations
[10:39] <benonsoftware> Ok, what types of images would be good?
[10:39] <sagaci> there's a difference between the localised image and localised package that is added via the install process
[10:39] <sagaci> the latter isn't happening yet
[10:39] <jaddi27> I think landscapes, pictures of prominent landmarks (maybe one for each state or major city)
[10:39] <benonsoftware> Ok then
[10:39]  * benonsoftware will try and get a few snaps
[10:40] <jaddi27> Yes. I think we could still look at doing the image package though, even if we host it in a ppa
[10:40] <sagaci> yep
[10:42] <jaddi27> I am not sure if any of you have used Tunein, but it would probably provide a good list of radio stations available online
[10:42] <jaddi27> http://tunein.com/
[10:42] <jaddi27> We could probably use this to compile a list for inclusion in Rhythmbox
[10:43] <sagaci> yep, a bit of this and that
[10:44]  * jaddi27 thinks that is what you get for using IRC on windows
[10:45] <benonsoftware> jaddi27: Browsing the net is harder on Windows when no browsers work
[10:45] <jaddi27> benonsoftware: That is true. Last night our internet was out, so at least we don't have that problem tonight
[10:46] <benonsoftware> Yeah
[10:46] <jaddi27> So were there any applications that should be added to the launchers list?
[10:46] <sagaci> nothing en_AU specific
[10:47] <jaddi27> ok
[10:47] <jaddi27> I think that just leaves Extra Packages/PPA/etc
[10:48] <jaddi27> I don't think we have any packages that we depend on
[10:48] <jaddi27> There is a list of recommended packages on the pad - what are your thoughts/reasons for including them in the list?
[10:49] <sagaci> i think the main difference between the depends and recommends is that if you try to uninstall the depends you can remove metapackages like ubuntu-desktop down with it
[10:49] <jaddi27> myspell and mythes (if they are still called that) make sense to ensure the user has the appropriate language files for Australia
[10:50] <sagaci> the rationale for the en_AU image is to reach out to those who don't necessarily have the bandwidth to download ubuntu and/or commonly used packages
[10:50] <jaddi27> I hadn't thought of that issue. I think that means we should only include recommended packages then
[10:50] <benonsoftware> How big would the image be at the moment?
[10:50] <jaddi27> Precise beta 1 is already sitting at 703mb, so I don't think we will have a lot of room
[10:51] <benonsoftware> Ouch
[10:51] <sagaci> none of this will affect users that download the normal iso, like me... although those on slower connections could opt to take this respin under ubuntu.net.au if they choose, since it will have the main ubuntu packages plus a few extras that help
[10:51] <sagaci> the cd image itself is being pushed over 700 anyway
[10:51] <jaddi27> translations and dictionarys are useful, other packages might have to be more strictly considered
[10:51]  * benonsoftware will use ubuntu.net.au as his connection is slow
[10:52] <jaddi27> benonsoftware: does your ISP have unmetered disc images?
[10:52] <benonsoftware> Not that I know of (Telstra Pre-Paid)
[10:53] <jaddi27> Ok. If you were using bigpond wireless you definitely would have unmetered access to http://mirror.aarnet.edu.au/
[10:53] <jaddi27> but I am not sure about Telstra Pre-paid. You could check by downloading a small file from there and then checking your usage
[10:54] <benonsoftware> Yeah, I think its counted
[10:54] <benonsoftware> Yeah, I'm hoping to convince my mum to change to iiNet or Internode but we are in a very sticky stage at the moment
[10:54] <sagaci> wvdial for certain dial-up modems as 3G dongles, build-essential for compiling wireless/device drivers, usb-modeswitch for some wireless dongles
[10:55] <sagaci> or to InterNet once the merger takes place
[10:55] <jaddi27> Ok. Those make sense then. How much are they used? I know the bigpond wireless stick works out of the box, but haven't tried others
[10:56] <benonsoftware> btw the USB modem I have didn't work out of the box :/
[10:56] <sagaci> well it's just coming from the point of view of someone without a decent/fast/reliable connection
[10:57] <sagaci> if the iso comes preinstalled with some of the bread and butter applications that we taken for granted, it may make their lives a hell of a lot easier if the 254kB wvdial is install
[10:57] <sagaci> ed
[10:57] <jaddi27> Ok. Just thought I would ask to understand better
[10:58] <sagaci> a lot of wiki pages still have configure; make; make install instructions and on a vanilla ubuntu install, it'll come up as make, command not found unless you have the build-essential package installed
[11:02] <jaddi27> So is there anything else to add for the localisation?
[11:03] <jaddi27> I think we should start to compile all of the information into a pack, which I am happy to start off
[11:04] <jaddi27> Once I have got it started, I presume I will be able to push it to a repo on launchpad
[11:04] <benonsoftware> Ok then
[11:04] <jaddi27> Will I be able to make a repo under ubuntu-au on launchpad, or would it have to be under my name?
[11:05] <sagaci> either way, if you make it under your name, you can only change it
[11:05] <head_victim> Just catching up on the reading, got back home sooner than expected.
[11:05] <benonsoftware> How is it going head_victim ?
[11:06] <jaddi27> sagaci: What process would I go through to make it then?
[11:06] <head_victim> As far as where to host the code I'd look at what others are doing but I don't see a problem hosting it on the au team or a subteam of the au team.
[11:06] <jaddi27> ok
[11:06] <head_victim> benonsoftware: not too shabby, just very tired.
[11:07] <sagaci> jaddi27, mkdir ~/localiso; cd ~/localiso; ubuntu-defaults-template en_AU; cd en_AU
[11:07] <sagaci> preceded by sudo apt-get install ubuntu-defaults-builder
[11:07] <jaddi27> sagaci: Oh, you have already done it and uploaded it to ubuntu-au on launchpad
[11:08] <sagaci> yeah but I'd start from scratch
[11:08] <sagaci> that was a test ages ago as a proof of concept
[11:08] <jaddi27> Ok. I will do that and upload it to a new branch
[11:08] <jaddi27> sagaci: what does the '+junk' in the repo name?
[11:09] <sagaci> it means you haven't filed it under a project
[11:10] <jaddi27> ok. that makes sense then. I should get it done over the weekend hopefully
[11:10] <sagaci> iirc, branches use /username/projectname/branchname
[11:11] <head_victim> Are any special accesses required to make this happen?
[11:11] <jaddi27> so it should be something like: ubuntu-au/localisation/en_au ?
[11:11] <sagaci> head_victim, nope
[11:11] <head_victim> sagaci: cool just checking :)
[11:12] <jaddi27> sagaci: I might enlist your assistance when I go to upload, seeing as you have done it before
[11:13] <jaddi27> #action jaddi27 to create a new localisation project and upload to launchpad
[11:13] <meetingology> ACTION: jaddi27 to create a new localisation project and upload to launchpad
[11:13] <sagaci> either under ubuntu-au or ubuntu-en-au-translators
[11:14] <sagaci> ubuntu-l10n-en-au, rather
[11:14] <jaddi27> Which one would be better? I think it could easily fit in either
[11:15] <sagaci> jaddi27, bzr'ise the en_AU/ directory and upload that, then you upload the resulting source package to a ppa
[11:16] <jaddi27> ok. I will investigate it a bit more before uploading
[11:17] <jaddi27> Is there anything else to add to this localisation discussion?
[11:17] <sagaci> not really, we can build the en_AU defaults package whenever but you won't actually build the live image until after the release
[11:18] <benonsoftware> Well if no one objects I can go out soon to get a few landscape pictures
[11:18] <jaddi27> I think it would be good to get the package done soon so we can start testing it out
[11:18] <jaddi27> benonsoftware: I think that would be good
[11:18] <benonsoftware> Ok, I'll try to find a weekend to go out hunting :D
[11:18] <head_victim> We already have a flickr account so maybe share them with the group and tag them as possible inclusions :)
[11:19] <benonsoftware> head_victim: Ok, what's the group name?
[11:19] <sagaci> benonsoftware, is the moon out
[11:19] <head_victim> http://www.flickr.com/groups/ubuntuau/
[11:20] <benonsoftware> sagaci: Yeah, I should go to bed soon
[11:21]  * benonsoftware is going to sleep in :(
[11:21] <jaddi27> #action benonsoftware to take photos for local photos package
[11:21] <meetingology> ACTION: benonsoftware to take photos for local photos package
[11:22] <jaddi27> #idea email the mailing list asking for websites and images to include in a local package
[11:22] <benonsoftware> I gotta go now, well done jaddi27, sagaci and head_victim with this!
[11:22] <jaddi27> #endmeeting
[11:22] <meetingology> Meeting ended Fri Mar  2 11:22:45 2012 UTC.  
[11:22] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-au/2012/ubuntu-au.2012-03-02-10.01.moin.txt
[11:22] <meetingology> Minutes (html):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-au/2012/ubuntu-au.2012-03-02-10.01.html
[11:22] <jaddi27> Thanks for attending everyone
[11:23] <jaddi27> see you another time benonsoftware 
[11:23] <benonsoftware> See ya
[11:25] <head_victim> Cheerio benonsoftware 
[11:32] <jaddi27> sagaci, head_victim: I looked up the restrictions on using Ubuntu branding
[11:33] <jaddi27> It appears as though we should be fine to use it, as long as we follow the spacing guidelines
[11:33] <head_victim> jaddi27: sounds good. I assumed the people organising the local respins would have confirmed that but it is always good to double check :)
[11:34] <jaddi27> Ah, I was meaning more for the artwork jam
[11:34] <head_victim> Oh yeah
[11:34] <head_victim> I read all the trademark stuff a while back when trying to do the business cards
[11:35] <head_victim> I'd definitely make sure anyone around knows the links to that at the start of that one.
[11:36] <jaddi27> I am not sure if I will definitely be there, so I will leave the links here for now in case
[11:36] <jaddi27> http://design.ubuntu.com/assets/ubuntu-logo
[11:36] <jaddi27> http://design.canonical.com/the-toolkit/ubuntu-brand-guidelines/
[11:36] <jaddi27> http://www.ubuntu.com/aboutus/trademarkpolicy
[11:36] <jaddi27> They are the main ones
[11:37] <head_victim> Cool, tomorrow's jams are at 1pm and 6pm Brisbane time
[11:38] <jaddi27> I will try to make them, but know that it might be hard
[11:38] <head_victim> Yeah I have no idea how tomorrow will end up for me yet either.
[11:38] <jaddi27> have to go to the dentist at 2.40pm, and also have to photocopy a soccer match program sometime around then, so I might make the start of the translations jam
[11:52] <jaddi27> I will be off -I am sure this will drop out again soon anyway
[11:52] <jaddi27> see you tomorrow or sunday
[11:52] <head_victim> CHeerio