[00:10] blar [00:10] the indicator-application solves it [00:10] and now everyone has gone to sleep! [01:47] TheMuso, hey, I assigned you an orca u-g bug 944159 [01:47] Launchpad bug 944159 in unity-greeter "orca reads the password out loud" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/944159 [01:47] home that's ok (also, you can push to the u-g branch once merge requests are approved [01:47] hope [01:47] Hey, who had that full copy of the untarred source archive that you could run a grep against? [01:48] TheMuso, also, if you have any clues about bug 944161 please drop a comment [01:48] Launchpad bug 944161 in unity-greeter "orca does not read user names" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/944161 [02:00] robert_ancell: Will take a look, thanks. [03:52] some body please give imp to this one crash as well https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-sound/+bug/914883 [03:52] s9iper1: Error: bug 914883 not found [05:00] oh bummer, gnome-shell wants gcr 3.3.90 now :( [05:02] desrt: ^ [05:04] jbicha: that seems like a pretty low impact version bump [05:11] hmm, maybe, if it was low impact then why didn't we bother upgrading it sooner? [05:11] because the default position has been to stay on 3.2 [05:12] in any case, it's some news to make seb's day that much brighter tomorrow :) [05:12] * desrt will have to have some very good news about the HUD to offset it :) [05:13] lol [05:13] ok, have a good night [05:14] nite :) [05:38] Good morning [05:43] pitti: good morning [06:17] good morning [06:32] Hey didrocks! [06:32] * RAOF wonders where seb is. [06:32] good evening RAOF :) [06:32] RAOF: seb connect in 2h30/3h normally [06:33] Huh. [06:50] RAOF, you're waiting for him too? Shall we both tackle him at once? [06:53] hey robert_ancell :) [06:53] if you just need to send a message, I can help you [06:53] hey didrocks [06:54] guten morgen pitti [06:54] robert_ancell: btw, there is a sad and empty merger vm waiting for you :) [06:54] didrocks, yeah, I just keep not having time to play with it. Sort it out at UDS? [06:54] robert_ancell: sounds good :) [06:55] let's the vm resting a little bit more :) [06:55] didrocks, thanks, I'm just sending him an email [07:03] tkamppeter_: you uploaded cups-filters to Ubuntu; any chance you could put that into the debian packaging bzr as well? [07:03] didrocks: I just need to talk to him about gtk-sharp2. I'll wait until he's up. :) [07:04] didrocks: oh, are you handling the gtk-sharp2 FTBFS? it seems to fail with our glib [07:06] RAOF: I think this was for you ^ [07:06] pitti: Yeah, I've fixed that. [07:06] (Although not uploaded) [07:06] \o/ [07:06] thanks [07:07] Seb *additionally* wants to drop the gtk resize-handles patch. I need to ask whether he's audited the reverse-depends to check that nothing is using that API. [07:08] Because it breaks ABI, and so anything that uses it will (possibly) fail at runtime. [07:08] but I understand it was removed from gtk2 as well? [07:08] so would the binding even build against our current gtk2? [07:10] We actually haven't removed it from gtk2 yet. [07:10] After all, it breaks ABI :) [07:10] (It was, and then reverted) [07:11] RAOF: and then partly reapplied apparently? [07:11] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtk%2B2.0/+changelog [07:12] Aha! [07:12] Wasn't published when I checked :) [07:13] I think that gtk-sharp2 with the handles patch will build against that gtk, and will try to set the property, which will fail but in a non-fatal fashion. I think :) [07:28] pitti, sorry, forgot to push. Done now. [07:29] pitti, I did the upload into Ubuntu on sladen's request. Next upload should go synced with Debian again. [07:38] tkamppeter_: that's fine, thanks [07:38] tkamppeter_: nothing wrong with an ubuntu upload from bzr, I just want to avoid diverging permanently [08:00] need to run out for an hour or so [08:04] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/+bug/943881 added apport-collect info :) [08:04] Launchpad bug 943881 in libreoffice "Unable to print to password protected (cups) printer" [Undecided,New] [08:52] hey [08:52] happy unfrozen friday! [08:54] salut seb128 :) [08:56] lut didrocks, en forme ? [08:57] no kudos to the r-t, how hard is it for the u.s guys to flush the queue when they unfreeze? :-( [08:57] looking at the time of the changes list I guess pitti did it this morning === tkamppeter_ is now known as tkamppeter [08:58] seb128: ça va bien, et toi? [08:59] didrocks, ca va nickel, c'est vendredi et on est unfrozen ;-) [08:59] did I manage to break anything with my stack of uploads yesterday evening? [09:00] bah, that ld option is no fun, webkit built on the first try on a slow builder :p [09:00] seb128: not that I know of. However, someone removed compiz from the unity-team/staging ppa and then, dx were complaining that "oh the merger is broken" [09:00] didrocks, oh, why compiz was needed? [09:01] seb128: for the alt-tap detection, there is a new API [09:01] that unity uses [09:01] didrocks, sorry the someone would be me, tried to resolve the issue with people complaining about the abi change [09:01] seb128: well, please communicate this by email :) [09:01] I though compiz was supposed to be in the compiz-tested and unity-team/ppa ppas, not staging [09:01] didrocks, yeah, I finished working at 1am [09:01] too tired to stay up longer writing emails [09:02] sorry ;-) [09:02] seb128: don't remove anything at 1am :p they didn't want to integrate compiz in the merger and use a bad workaround, they have to deal with it themselves [09:02] seb128: not blaming you :) [09:02] seb128: but if they don't want to do things right, we don't have to cover them [09:02] well, I told lamalex about the issue and that I was dropping the compiz with the abi change from the ppa [09:03] yeah, again, I think that it's them breaking the ABI, and it's them not using the standard tool for it [09:03] so they should fix it :) [09:03] right [09:03] out of dx, did I break distro? ;-) [09:03] I hope I got all the rdepends for the gtk2 grip stuff [09:03] seb128: that's my second point… [09:04] ;) [09:04] lol [09:04] seb128: I know RAOF wanted to talk to you [09:04] about sharp bindigns [09:04] bindings* [09:04] gtk2-sharp? I asked him to look at the ftbfs [09:04] seems he didn't fix it [09:04] did he say what issue he had? [09:06] seb128: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2012/03/02/%23ubuntu-desktop.html#t07:03 [09:09] didrocks, ok, he wanted to check if I looked at the rdepends [09:12] yo seiflotfy - how are you doing? [09:12] seiflotfy, I just merged https://code.launchpad.net/~kelemeng/activity-log-manager/i18n-fixes/+merge/95472 as a distro fix - you might be interested in merging it upstream [09:17] good morning everyone [09:18] hey chrisccoulson! [09:18] hi didrocks [09:23] chrisccoulson, hey, how are you? [09:23] seb128: Right. I think we should keep the resize-grip patch; dropping it breaks ABI, keeping it is harmless (modulo some glib warnings when something tries to use it). [09:23] seb128, yeah, not too bad thanks. how are you? [09:23] chrisccoulson, I'm good thanks [09:23] RAOF, hey [09:24] seb128: Ho! [09:24] RAOF, we had an archive grep on the lintian community box by broder but I'm not sure that covered the property name [09:24] RAOF, the grep was for the api [09:24] For the C# api? [09:25] RAOF, I can do a grep through the rdepends today and fix any using it [09:25] RAOF, no, I think the grep wouldn't cover the C# case, but I googled for a while and couldn't find anything out of do and the gnome-do patch got dropped by error in a sync earlier in the cycle [09:25] That'd be good. As I say, we could also leave it in there; it's harmless. [09:26] RAOF, ok, live it here if you want, that's fine with me ;-) [09:26] Ok. I'll upload, then. [09:26] RAOF, I just wanted to drop the gtk patch and I didn't yesterday, I tried to be nice and update the rdepends [09:26] ups [09:26] didn't->did [09:27] RAOF, so I should grep for HasResizeGrip accross the libgtk2.0-cil rdepends? [09:27] Yeah, if you want to drop the patch. [09:27] RAOF, well I don't see a reason to keep in the lts [09:28] the abi was never an upstream one in gtk2 and if grep through the archive and make sure nothing is using it we should be fine [09:28] RAOF, but your,pkg-mono call at the end [09:28] Yeah, I guess so. [09:28] I don't care much, it just feels cleaner to drop it ;-) [09:29] Yeah; I don't much like having non-upstream API. I also don't much like dropping ABI we've supported for a couple of releases :) [09:30] I'll upload with the patch dropped (after testing again). If you could grep the rdepends, that'd be grand. [09:31] RAOF, ok, I will do today, thanks! [09:31] I hope I didn't miss a C rdepends because those wouldn't only display a warning :p [09:33] :) [09:37] dholbach: sorry, for that misfired sync request. [09:40] seb128: good morning; yes, I flushed this morning [09:40] hey pitti, how are you? [09:41] desperately tired, but ok otherwise, thanks! [09:42] pitti, stop starting work at 6am! ;-) [09:42] seb128: well, I didn't get much sleep [09:42] * Sweetshark gives pitti a hug. [09:42] oh, is everything ok? [09:43] Also, just heard on #libreoffice-dev: [09:43] 10:33 <@jcorrius> Sweetshark: the 12.04 beta looks quite impressive, congratulations! [09:45] * pitti hugs back Sweetshark [09:45] seb128: aand -- WTH did you do yesterday !? [09:45] +14 on http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/bug-fixing/canonical-desktop-team-precise-fixes-report.html !!! [09:45] pitti, I worked hard sir! [09:46] pitti, well it's not yesterday, it's during the years that freeze did last [09:46] ;-) [09:46] lol [09:46] pitti, you scared me with your "I've 5 apport bug fixes stacked" [09:46] I had to do something ;-) [09:47] but, but, 14? [09:47] pitti, you will have some time to catch up I think, I mostly cleaned my small things list, I will spend a few days on bug triages and less easy stuff next week [09:47] * pitti will upload apport today with 8 fixes [09:48] hehe [09:49] good morning [09:49] hey ricotz, how are you? [09:49] seb128, hi, are there any problems expected through the gtk+2.0 update? [09:49] seb128, ca va bien [09:49] ricotz, not really, I rebuilt rdepends before it and used a break [09:50] but gtk2-sharp didn't get to build yet, it hit a ftbfs, RAOF should uploaded a fixed version soon [09:50] seb128, i see, havent updated it yet, but there already people complaining about things crashing like g-s and gnome-fallback [09:51] seb128: anything holding up the planner upload [09:51] seb128, so i was just assuming it might have created problems [09:51] micahg, no, I apparently dput on the wrong files, from by bugs emails it got rejected [09:51] micahg, redoing it [09:51] seb128: thanks [09:51] ricotz, no, gnome-shell,gnome-panel shouldn't even use gtk2 [09:52] Sweetshark, no worries :) [09:52] seb128, i know ;), but some weird plugin or service might [09:52] seb128, never mind :) [09:52] dholbach, hey [09:53] hey ricotz - wie geht's? [09:53] ricotz, well, the gtk2 update only drops the gtkresizegrip backport to ubuntu which was an ubuntu specific api in gtk2 [09:53] dholbach, danke, gut, ich hoffe dir auch [09:53] ricotz, we grepped through the archive to find rdepends and I fixed those [09:53] ricotz, I might have overlooked something but I doubt it's due to it [09:53] ja, alles prima :) [09:53] dholbach, bin noch nicht dazu gekommen zu antworten :\ [09:54] seb128, yeah, gtk-sharp is holding the update for me so far [09:54] mach Dir kein Stress :) [09:54] ricotz, RAOF is fixing it [09:54] seb128, good [09:55] dropping the resizegrip stuff? [09:55] Laney, yes [09:55] so we can sync gtk-sharp2 again? :-) [09:55] (assuming someone has checked rdeps) [09:55] Laney, cf discussion a bit earlier, I had the rdepends checked but for the C api, I don't think it matched the C# one, I will get that done today so we can drop it next week [09:56] Laney, right, there could be some apps turning it off, like gnome-do [09:56] what do you mean by 'turning it off'? [09:56] gnome-do is synced so I don't see how it can have any code for that api [09:56] the gnome-do patch got dropped in a sync by error early in the cycle [09:56] aha [09:56] Laney, yeah, that was buggy [09:57] Laney, i mean access it somehow [09:57] so it was broken anyway :P [09:57] good, so this isnt an issue for gnome-do then [09:57] seb128: seems you already uploaded to turn it off for gtk# though [09:58] Laney, that upload ftfbs on something else [09:58] huh, so it did [09:58] Laney, RAOF has a fix, he said he would upload soon, but he's putting the patch back "in case" until we grep the archive again for the C# api [09:58] ok [10:00] looking at changelogs for all packages with delta, I don't see anything suspicious [10:00] I googled and didn't find anything either [10:01] but no substitute for a search indeed [10:01] well, it's friday, let's not break things over the w.e ;-) [10:01] indeed [10:01] we can maybe get the build fix in Debian and then sync properly next week [10:02] yeah sure I'll take linker fixes there [10:14] pitti, hi [10:16] hello tkamppeter [10:20] With a recent vanilla precise, it seems something is blocking logout, e.g. a) you click logout b) parts of the session kill themselves c) but never enough to see the login screen d) this is _not_ libreoffice, which I have fixed now. [10:20] ^^ is that a known issue? [10:20] ah, no. it logs out -- it just takes ages [10:21] e) it also happens when there is no libreoffice running [10:25] kinda hard to debug the libreoffice issue, if there is one on the session side of things. [10:33] Laney: It's not actually linker fixes; glib dropped some symbols in 2.31. Or, rather, some symbols hit the deprecated list. [10:33] righto [10:34] The practical upshot of which is that GLib.Thread becomes a no-op. [10:34] So I'll upload the build fix now, then I'll go back and conditionalise on glib version and throw it upstream and to Debian. [10:34] Then we're syncable. [10:48] pitti, Debian has put a "Recommended: printer-driver-all" into foomatic-db and we synced this package. Now the printer-driver-all package is in Universe but it is a meta package (no code) so we can easily move it into Main. Problem is that printer-driver-all recommends other, not very important drivers which are in Universe: printer-driver-escpr which Ubuntu auto-installs from OpenPrinting and some exotic drivers for printers which ar [10:48] e not produced any more for 10 years. [10:49] tkamppeter: right, we already discussed this; for precise I think we should drop that new recommends, and then think about how we can do a better job at printer driver installation than having to ship them all by default [10:49] tkamppeter: bug 944660, right? [10:49] Launchpad bug 944660 in foomatic-db "foomatic-db-compressed-ppds recommends printer-driver-all (>= 0.20111206) but 0.20111027 is in the archive" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/944660 [10:50] pitti, yes. [10:51] pitti, so I think we should discuss on the UDS a concept for not needing to ship printer drivers for both Debian and Ubuntu (following the goal of syncing printing stacks completely). [10:52] tkamppeter: that should be possible, we should use the PackageKit API for this [10:54] pitti: speaking of packagekit, I'm still stumped on why component-mismatches isn't showing gdebi for demotion, what's "rescued" seems to be in universe already [10:54] oops, meant for this to be in -devel [10:55] micahg: yes, but it wants to go back to main, so gdebi stays for now [10:55] pitti: yes, but why, I can't seem to find the reason [10:55] micahg: I supposed due to the still missing powerpc build [10:56] oh, it built one hour ago [10:56] right, the reverse-recommends disappeared after that [10:56] so the extra-exclude apparently didn't help [10:57] I figure I need to copy it to kubuntu seeds as well [10:58] cd [10:58] micahg: done, waiting for next publisher [10:59] pitti: ah, ok, I forgot about those :), but anyways, it's not shown as supported there [10:59] pitti: does the netbook seed keep stuff in main? [11:01] * micahg fixes [11:01] gosh, does that still exist? [11:01] yep [11:01] micahg: thanks [11:05] pitti, can you help me with a UDEV issue? [11:05] pitti, it is bug 931417 [11:05] Launchpad bug 931417 in hplip "HP LaserJet P1005 not setup correctly in 12.04" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/931417 [11:06] pitti, the file attached to comment #5 is on the user's Precise system as /etc/udev/rules.d/86-hpmud-hp_laserjet_p1005.rules [11:07] pitti, It should load the printer's firmware when the printer is connected. It happens nothing, not even the logger message appears in syslog. [11:11] uhh, ok. [11:12] how can I install Skype on a 64bit precise machine? [11:15] jml: add oneiric partner, apt-get install skype? [11:19] micahg, so it's no longer supported in Ubuntu? [11:19] jml: huh, no, it's just partner hasn't been populated for precise yet [11:19] micahg, oh ok. [11:20] tkamppeter: responded in bug and sub'ed [11:22] micahg, I'm still told that skype is not available but referred to by another package [11:23] jml: try skype:i386 [11:23] micahg, ah, that works. Thanks. [11:23] jml: not marked multiarch:foreign, that's why [11:41] pitti, the rules file is part of HP's proprietary plugin, we cannot change it as part of one of our packages. So if we find a solution without changing the file would be great. [11:42] tkamppeter: for that we need to understand what's wrong with it first [11:43] pitti, how should 'please run /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1d.7/usb2/2-1' work? [11:45] tkamppeter: argh, followed up [11:52] pitti, thanks. [12:21] didrocks: is there a reason why the libcompizconfig dev package is versioned? [12:22] micahg, it's quite common [12:23] is there any official guideline saying they should not be? [12:23] seb128: yes, but Debian doesn't have this [12:23] on what? compiz? [12:23] no, libcompizconfig [12:23] right, same difference [12:24] it's not like we were any close to be on sync from Debian on that stack [12:24] or even pretending to merge with them or trying to be close [12:24] they have an unversioned dev package [12:24] well, there are some packages in experimental that could be worth merging if they build :) [12:24] well, I guess feel free to submit a merge request [12:25] * Chipaca waves [12:25] seb128: is that for review purposes? [12:26] micahg, yes, beause the lib is used across dx ppas, etc and a renaming would break all their builds [12:27] it would be good to get review anyway in case there is a reason and just so Didier can make sure it's handled fine [12:27] ah, ok, I'd be happy with a provides, I"ll propose that a bit later [12:27] doesn't work [12:27] the provides are not versioned [12:27] so stuff which build-depends on >= version would stop working [12:28] ok, empty package than [12:28] right, at which point please get review from didrocks, but better to use a bug and deal with it in an async way [12:28] he's swamped in unity release issues today [12:29] ok, so bug is better than merge proposal or both? [12:30] either is fine I think [12:37] gah, i didn't realize xchat had crashed :/ [12:37] is anyone going to have a look into the inkscape update? [12:37] hey chrisccoulson [12:37] dholbach, what update? [12:37] (it's in the sponsoring queue) [12:37] dholbach, and not especially, we don't maintain inkscape [12:38] didn't bryce and others maintain it upstream? [12:48] dholbach, bryce, ted yes [12:49] dholbach, not sure they have time for packaging it in Ubuntu though [12:49] it needs a sponsor :) [12:50] dholbach, feel free to do it, ted would need sponsoring anywaya === greyback is now known as greyback|away [13:33] pitti, seb128, have either of you had issues like bug 899013? [13:33] Launchpad bug 899013 in firefox "Firefox not using localized Google Search" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/899013 [13:33] it seems to work ok here [13:34] is that using the google entry on the top right? [13:34] (I never use it because it's buggy, it sends me to google.com rather than google.fr) [13:34] i.e search in english [13:34] which seems similar to your bug title [13:35] chrisccoulson: that's right, searching for "Tonne" in the google search bar brings up the English results [13:35] pitti - and the UI is localized correctly? [13:35] same with the awesome bar [13:35] chrisccoulson: yes [13:35] all in German [13:35] hmmm :/ [13:36] yes, same here [13:36] though that bug is different, it says it works after a restart, i.e is an issue only on first start [13:36] here it's buggy this way consistently [13:38] pitti, seb128 - if you enable the web console (Tools -> Web Developer -> Web Console), ensure that Logging is switched on and do a search, can you make sure that the Accept-Language header is correct [13:39] chrisccoulson, where do I switch logging on? [13:39] -- [13:39] [14:39:09,216] GET http://www.google.com/search?client=ubuntu&channel=fs&q=ubuntu&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8 [HTTP/1.1 302 Found 268ms] [13:39] seb128, actually, you need the "Net" option enabled in the web console (it's the button with a black square in it here) [13:39] chrisccoulson, I get that [13:40] seb128, yeah, if you click on that, you get to see all the headers :) [13:40] fr,fr-fr;q=0.8,en-us;q=0.5,en;q=0.3 [13:40] chrisccoulson, ^ [13:40] seb128, thanks [13:40] that looks correc then [13:40] yw [13:40] **correct [13:40] so, it seems more like a google bug [13:41] i'll have to speak to them about it [13:41] it seems so yes [13:41] chrisccoulson, well, I get the same behaviour if I go on google.com and search [13:41] chrisccoulson, I need to go to google.fr to have french results [13:41] yeah, you shouldn't need to. at least, you never used to need to [13:41] so it's not firefox, or firefox should send me to google. [13:42] they used to figure it out automatically === greyback|away is now known as greyback [13:42] right, that was better ;-) [13:42] although, for en-gb, we give them a little helping hand to avoid getting en-us results [13:45] seb128: hey [13:45] good morning [13:45] desrt, hey [13:45] desrt, had a good night? [13:45] good enough [13:46] remember that bug i found in the app menu indicator... thingy... service? [13:46] desrt, I tried your updated (indicator-applications and hud-...) [13:46] (god... ted needs better naming) [13:46] updates [13:46] indicator-application [13:46] desrt, yeah, that fixed my login issue [13:46] great :D [13:46] desrt, but it's buggy in another way now [13:46] obviously needs a merge [13:46] seb128: AWESOME [13:46] the prefixs work as well indeed [13:46] what's next :p [13:47] desrt, it stopped listed anything else than indicators [13:47] oh. oops. [13:47] desrt, like it wouldn't list any normal menus [13:47] heh [13:47] that's because i disabled it for testing [13:47] ;-) [13:47] probably accidentally checked that it :p [13:47] *in [13:47] ok [13:47] k, please fix ;-) [13:47] http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~desrt/indicator-appmenu/hud-rewrite-wip/revision/184#src/hud-service.c :) [13:48] ^ "oops" [13:48] seb128, btw, are you logged in to any google services when you search? [13:48] chrisccoulson, define "logged in", the google homepage has my name at the top right [13:48] seb128: so... indicators, appindicators, prefixing, appindicator race issue -> solved [13:49] chrisccoulson, but I'm not on any gmail, gdoc or anything [13:49] seb128, yeah, that's what i was asking :) [13:49] leaving disabled/hidden, indicator attributes, usage tracker [13:49] desrt, you seem to be on track to have it on time ;-) [13:49] not bad for the ride home on the streetcar :) [13:50] hopefully ted will be up soon [13:50] wow. [13:51] tedg: good morning :) [13:51] 08:50 < desrt> hopefully ted will be up soon [13:51] 08:50 -!- tedg [~ted@12.49.125.218] has joined #ubuntu-desktop [13:51] Heh [13:51] you're a bit early today [13:51] For some reason I didn't realize you were on eastern time. [13:51] yup [13:52] toronto is basically directly above upstate new york [13:52] hey tedg [13:52] Yeah, I don't know why, the timezone and location didn't align :-) [13:52] tedg, see it's not only me who ping you in the minute you join ;-) [13:52] seb128: i'm not pinging. yet. [13:52] ;) [13:52] desrt, I did the same yesterday, asked if tedg was going to be around and he joined while I was typing ;-) [13:52]