[01:29] AlanBell, thanks for your earlier suggestion about zeitgeist: its just what i was needing [01:29] oh! he's gone [04:54] where is the user's chosen desktop session saved? [06:18] [Jono Bacon] Ubuntu Global Jam: The Dashboard - http://www.jonobacon.org/2012/03/02/ubuntu-global-jam-the-dashboard/ [07:12] Hello himcesjf [07:18] [Jono Bacon] Ubuntu Global Jam: Walnut Creek - http://www.jonobacon.org/2012/03/02/ubuntu-global-jam-walnut-creek/ [07:20] aloha [07:21] * ball waves [07:21] Good morning cz [07:21] >:( [07:23] Sorry Laura [07:23] ok [07:23] No offense was intended. [07:24] ok [07:26] Note to self: don't call people what they're called on the UUPC [07:28] hello imexil [07:28] hi [07:34] Can Ubuntu Server run inside vmWare ESXi? [07:43] no idea [07:45] Me neither. Perhaps I'll try it at some point. [07:54] Morning [07:57] Hello DJones [07:59] TheOpenSourcerer: Congratulations on your growing userbase. [08:00] Thanks ball. [08:01] This is going to be an interesting year for us. Looks like we'll be moving to a "proper" office and taking on some kind of staff too! (Bit scary but in a good way). [08:02] I'll have to read more about it but do you offer OpenERP as a hosted service? [08:08] Morning all [08:09] Ah, it seems you do. [08:09] hello diplo [08:09] ball: We do for customers yes. That is we aren't really just a hosting business. But we do host OpenERP for customers we have worked on OpenERP with to implement etc. [08:12] One of my jobs is with a software company that offers its product for LAN use or as a hosted on-line service. [08:12] (different target market, but perhaps some common experiences) [08:13] s/experiences/considerations/ [08:14] We have quite a few customers for whom we host their services, but they were customers for the application first, we host for them as an extra service and do backups etc... [08:15] We host vtiger, OpenERP and a couple of others, (We could do Alfresco too). [08:15] I've not heard of vtiger or Alfresco. Do you have two data centres with fail-over in place? [08:18] My other job is with a non-profit. We could do with a new donor database. [08:18] ...sort of like a CRM, but with the ability to track donations that people have made. [08:19] vtiger is a CRM, Alfresco is Document Management. [08:19] TheOpenSourcerer, your blog post worked a treat last night thanks! [08:19] Defo smoother than my own install :) [08:19] ball: We rent bare metal from Hetzner then virtualise on top. [08:19] diplo: Thanks! :-) [08:20] It is proving very popular. Got ~250 unique visits yesterday [08:20] TheOpenSourcerer: I've just made a note to evaluate vtiger as soon as I bring our new server up. [08:20] (depending on system requirements) [08:21] Nice work, it's very well written I guess. Clear and concise which is what people need. [08:21] It's probably the best (properly open source) CRM out there. [08:21] We are probably (almost certainly in fact) the most experienced vtiger Partner in the UK too. [08:30] mornin folks [08:31] * ball waves [08:37] Morning all [08:38] hello popey [08:40] hey popey [08:40] I have an early start this Sunday morning :-) [08:43] Morning [08:44] ooh [08:44] what date is the beerex itself? [08:51] Good morning peeps :) [08:52] Hello bigcalm [09:08] ball: look at civiCRM too [09:10] that might be better for a non-profit that isn't selling to customers but has a membership base they are looking to get donations from [09:10] Hi, so my wifes HD died this morning. That means I need to get a new one (oh and beta 1 is out ... how convenient ;) ) Any suggestions what made I should go for? [09:11] imexil: SSD if you don't need the space [09:11] we are talking about my wifes ... which means lots of images and stuff and music ;) [09:11] So I think I stick to rotating disks for now. [09:12] Samsung spin points I normally recommend, quite and reliable so far for me [09:14] laptop or desktop? [09:14] we got some nice 3TB desktop drives a few weeks ago [09:15] Expensive time to buy at the moment AlanBell [09:15] I'm holding off for a few more months till they drop again [09:16] they were £116.30 each [09:16] 3TB Western Digital WD30EZRX Caviar [09:16] Timing buffered disk reads: 348 MB in 3.01 seconds = 115.74 MB/sec [09:17] I need some more SATA drives, but the "new" server has Ultra160, so I might want a few of those too. [09:23] i know its obviously not everyone's experience, but every WD drive I've ever owned has died on me rather quickly =\ [09:24] gord: For me that was Maxtor. [09:24] i buy seagate barracuda drives now, they work really nicely [09:24] gord: The last set I priced up were Seagates. [09:25] I have a soft spot for them, since I used the ST225 for years. [09:26] for external harddrives, don't buy Seagate Expansion terabyte ones [09:27] the customer reviews are horrible, apparently the pcb's have a manufacturing fault which makes them fail soon after taking into use [09:27] ouch [09:27] it's a fault that was reported on their discussion forum in 2009 [09:28] http://www.amazon.com/review/R1XWBY03RUFE2Y/ref=cm_cr_dp_perm?ie=UTF8&ASIN=B0025KXMKS&nodeID=172282&tag=&linkCode= [09:28] http://forums.seagate.com/t5/Other-External-products/Seagate-Expansions-producing-loud-clicking-sound/td-p/30962 [09:28] i have a hard time recommending external hard drives at all - seems like user error is going to cause it to fall off the table at some point [09:29] heh gord you have no faith :P [09:30] i know if i had an external drive at some point, coffee would be rested upon it [09:30] I don't mind people like that as they can ask me to get new one.. just stupid people like my dad where i advised him to get one.. so instead of using it for backing up to he has just stuck everything on there [09:30] I've got 5-6 and some are 3-4 years old [09:30] all still working fine [09:31] Samsung Spinpoints FTW! [09:31] * diplo touches desk ( wood ) [09:31] Happy Friday, everyone! :D [09:33] gord: I read that on first pass as "coffee would be restored apon it", which makes me think about 3D printing doughnuts. [09:33] diplo: my 'external' drive is connected to another machine and accessible via wifi [09:34] As a backup drive dwatkins [09:34] or just storage ? [09:35] my server is filling up a bit [09:35] could do with more disks [09:35] Me as well popey [09:35] a 3d printer that built from doughnut dough would be the greatest invention ever. imagine, you could build the eiffel tower out of doughnut.. then eat it [09:39] diplo: both, I'm currently gzipping my Windows backup on it, which I did via wifi, it's also got my media on it, as the Ubuntu machine it's attached to runs serviio and fuppes. [09:39] popey: Beerex is 27th April. [09:39] I'm very tempted to get a Drobo just because they look neat and you can just swap disks out as they fail and increase capacity automatically.... in theory ;) [09:39] erk [09:40] i have one dwatkins [09:40] i wouldn't buy one ☺ [09:41] 26th April - 12.04 releases [09:41] 27th April - Beerex [09:41] 28th April - Fly to USA for Canonical sprint [09:41] that could be messy [09:41] i didn't know popey was afraid of a challenge [09:41] lol [09:41] Before we got this server I thought about getting one of those HP Microservers. [09:41] * diplo thinks dwatkins is to efficient :D [09:42] popey: whyfor not? [09:42] diplo: too efficient because I'm compressing a 27 GB file which most likely has large amoutns of whitespace? ;) [09:42] popey: I have invited christel to the Beerex with us and will be bringing a couple of friendly customers... Then, I am going there again on the Saturday eve. with some school dads [09:42] ball, very good boxes.. had mine running solidly for a few months now [09:43] \o/ [09:43] I LIKE BEER [09:43] and alans! i like alans too [09:43] Can you have too many Alans? [09:43] Three alans plus beer. What a great combination! [09:43] NEVER [09:44] Gah [09:45] Wondered why my home server was running slow. Due to no connection for 6 days, backups from my parents' place are now pouring in [09:45] mount.ntfs is using 47% of the CPU [09:46] I really should have changed the filesystem of the external drives when I bought them :( [09:47] Now that is a good though bigcalm . You back up your parents PC's for them ? [09:48] diplo: I have rdiff-backup running to backup their fileserver to an external drive here [09:48] your parents have a fileserver :P [09:49] All my parents have are all my hand me downs [09:52] I gave my parents a Viglen [09:53] ah hand me downs as well [09:53] :) [09:55] howdy all [09:55] :D [09:55] No, I bought it new [09:55] * diplo thinks he may not be nice enough to his parents :) [09:56] morning andylockran [09:56] how goes things? [09:57] Slow, need a kick up the butt to get going today. Yourself ? [09:57] Yeah, pretty good - just getting myself organised and tidy @ work . [09:57] Reinstalled my machine yesterday and attempting to try out Windows 8 - think it may just be the saviour of Unity :) [09:57] what's wrong with my PC ? chromium takes huge cpu, which then causes high cpu load in compiz :( [09:58] oimon, I've been getting that as well [09:58] oimon, likely something causing chromium to redraw constantly [09:58] Not determined the cause yet [09:58] things redrawing constantly cause compiz to constantly update as it now needs to redraw [09:58] i've got pinned tabs of gmail, g+, fb, twitter, yammer [09:59] I had that as well oimon [09:59] try closing them until it stops? [09:59] Found the JS updating just was killing it [09:59] currently, chromium is not high but compiz is, but caused by chromium [10:00] hmm, closing gmail reduced compiz to 21% cpu [10:00] kind of an essential tab [10:01] bet its flash [10:01] Can you disable flash in chromium ? [10:01] flashblock? [10:01] gmail isn't using flash [10:02] compiz seems very tetchy on this system [10:02] its much nicerer on 12.04 ☺ [10:02] Someone may have mentioned this already (I'm working so I just get to dip into this channel between tasks) but there is a plain HTML version of gmail. [10:02] hope thats true for my machine too [10:02] "Basic HTML version" they call it. [10:02] ball, kind of sucky though...neer been an issue before [10:03] maybe i'll reboot :( [10:03] That said, I think I can use the ordinary version of gmail on this machine, which definitely doesn't have Flash [10:04] ...or Java [10:04] chrome://settings/content [10:04] Block all plugins [10:04] Ah, it's because I'm using SeaMonkey instead of Firefox [10:04] ...think that's it. [10:04] And manage exceptions [10:05] Wow, it's 04:05 already. [10:06] This morning's flying by. [10:13] Interesting how Mozilla's B2G is like WebOS - Native HTML/Javascript apps. Looks like it could be an interesting platform in the future... http://www.muktware.com/articles/3364/mozillaz-boot-geeko-hands-preview [10:15] yeah, was interesting to watch that video [10:19] I grabbed the git repo of it the other day [10:19] About as far as I have got so far [10:20] Must. Get. Moar. Coffee [10:25] Blimey, is quite quick isn't it.. I'm liking B2G [10:25] Easier to code for me as well :D [10:34] http://andreasgal.github.com/gaia/ [10:34] (load it in firefox obviously) [10:45] I thought the "Andypad" had a silly name, but now we've got the "Childpad" from Archos http://www.archos.com/corporate/press/press_releases/ARCHOS_Child_Pad_us.pdf [10:46] andypad kinda died a death [10:47] £100 doesn't sound bad for a tablet with ICS though, maybe not the highest spec, but seems reasonable [10:50] What's ICS? [10:50] Ice Cream Sandwich [10:51] Android 4.0 [10:51] good morning everyone. [10:51] ok [10:52] morning brobostigon [10:52] morning andylockran [10:54] * ball sighs [10:55] DJones: next it'll be One Pad Per Child [10:55] Heh [10:55] hello all [10:56] Sounds like they should be sold by pampers though [10:56] dwatkins: One Fad Per Child did you say? [10:56] I wish the OLPC were actually a success [10:56] not that laptops will necessarily solve the food and overpopulation problems fo the world over night [10:57] AlanBell: Sorry was AFK. The drives I'm looking for is meant for a laptop. So I'll look at Samsung or WD then [11:01] morning all [11:02] Hi davmor2 [11:02] morning bigcalm MooDoo, czajkowski PROD1 [11:04] Hello. [11:04] morning s-fox [11:05] Hello davmor2 , how are you? [11:05] s-fox: tired, busy, buton the whole good [11:09] davmor2: good morning [11:10] Hello czajkowski :) [11:10] s-fox: hi [11:10] How are you today? [11:11] good thanks [11:11] you? [11:12] A bit tired. Went to a concert last night, caught an early train at 06:30 this morning. [11:13] good concert? [11:14] Brilliant thank you [11:14] http://i.imgur.com/tkekw.jpg Great seats [11:24] https://plus.google.com/u/0/photos/109005155681066671096/albums/5715258668905981745 [11:24] anyone know what that is ? [11:27] dogmatic69: any more to it? not a oom-killer message is it? [11:28] page up? [11:28] idk, just came home to see that [11:32] shift-page up [11:41] dogmatic69: Broken? [11:42] i had to reboot, but it seems ok now [11:43] s-fox: wow that's an impressive photo, but as you stepped through the door did you go back in time the place seems devoid of colour so you must of gone back in time right :D [11:45] I prefer black and white pictures davmor2 ;) 90% of what I take is like that. haha [11:46] davmor2, http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/1595/13e96a2dfca94885aed389c.png [11:46] s-fox: oh so it's just you that is back in time before the invention of colour then ;) [11:46] lol [11:46] That was when we discovered red [11:47] s-fox: hahaha [11:52] a:) [11:56] davmor2, Took this image in Kyoto last year - http://i.imgur.com/wwpWT.jpg [11:56] It is at the imperial palace [11:56] MooDoo: stop with the rapper cap look it doesn't suit you :) [11:56] s-fox: Arrrrr pretty [11:57] s-fox: infact that looks like it should be a jigsaw [11:58] Sepia is fun [12:02] davmor2: say what? [12:03] a:) that's you with a rappers cap right, it doesn't suit you :P [12:03] davmor2: oh right er ok :p [12:04] MooDoo: sometimes you're hard work than czajkowski [12:04] harder even [12:04] davmor2: nah i just think your jokes are rubbish. [12:04] :D [12:13] Hi, what do I need to do to get sun-java back on my 11.10 laptop? I know about the dangers of that but my bank simply will not have the openjdk [12:15] http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/01/sun-still-shines-for-java-users-on-ubuntu/ [12:15] which links to here [12:15] http://blog.flexion.org/2012/01/16/install-sun-java-6-jre-jdk-from-deb-packages/ [12:15] Depends if you want Java6/7 [12:15] plenty of tutorials on the web [12:16] well one that would work with my bank's web site of course ;) [12:16] Find what they recommend [12:16] Off to lunch [12:18] [Andy Loughran] Coding Guidelines - http://zrmt.com/2012/03/02/coding-guidelines/ [13:18] [Jamie Bennett] TrustZone at MWC - http://www.linuxuk.org/2012/03/trustzone-at-mwc/ [13:29] quiet here again today :D [13:30] i am emailing amazon, as to why my order has failed to arrive, with all delivery details being correct. [13:30] wah wah wah [13:31] i'm running checkbox-unity tests [13:31] seems even more buggy than the last time [13:44] thanks ali1234, I appreciate you running those tests [13:49] i've got 2 python/ dist-packages [13:49] usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages and usr/local/lib/python/dist-packages [13:49] is that correct? [13:50] BadgerUK: did you install something from a ppa, or compile and build something yourself? [13:50] possibly [13:50] im new to linux [13:50] and ive done a lot of stuff in the past 4 months, and i dont remember all of it [13:51] if you look in usr/local/lib/python/dist-packages you'll probably find the name of some of them [13:51] ive got stuff for django and openerp in there [13:52] is it bad to have 2 dist--packages directories? [13:52] easy_install also puts stuff in /usr/local [13:52] or is that a standard thing that i should be worried about? [13:52] shouldn't* [13:53] did you follow that recent guide on instaaling openerp? [13:54] possibly [13:54] i've looked at different instructions [13:54] to which are you refering? [13:54] im currently working on a 6.1 [13:55] theopensourcerer.com I'm guessing ali is refferring to [13:55] yeah that one [13:55] ah yes [13:55] ive looked at it [13:55] I used it last night :) [13:55] boo [13:55] not sure i followed it [13:55] ill just check [13:55] heh $me TheOpenSourcerer ? [13:55] Hey BadgerUK [13:56] Saw you in #Openobject the other day :-) [13:56] hey TheOpenSourcerer [13:56] indeed [13:56] is that your guide? [13:56] "sudo pip install werkzeug" [13:56] What? The one written by TheOpenSourcerer ;-) [13:56] this will put it in /usr/local [13:56] yeah [13:56] Yes. [13:56] nice one bruv [13:56] There's a clue in the name [13:57] i know [13:57] i noticed the name [13:57] but thought "the internet is a big place" [13:57] Indeed it is. [13:58] well, as you're here and you are amazing [13:58] openserver is unhappy that it can find yaml in both /usr/local/lib/py2.7/dist and usr/lin/py2.7/dist [13:59] should i be deleting one of them [13:59] and in which case is it as simple as sudo apt-get remove yaml? [13:59] python-yaml [13:59] I would guess so yes. But why do you have a pip/easy_install installed one too? [13:59] and presumably the one in usr/local/lib was done by easy install so nothing will break as python already has yaml available [14:00] i have no idea [14:00] either did it when i was doing operp [14:00] or maybe it was for django weeks ago [14:00] if you install with easy_install you won;t get updates [14:00] bastards! [14:00] so im better off deleting that one? [14:00] Ah OK. My suggestion is to limit the number of non deb-packaged libraries to a minimum [14:00] whenever you are reading some guide, you should always check if the distro has a packaged version before running easy_install or pip [14:01] yes ali1234 +1 [14:01] and in which case it's just a case of deleting the file and delting the line in the pth file [14:01] because easy_install and pip are hard to undo as well [14:01] will do [14:01] sudo pip remove yaml? [14:01] i get confused trying to work out whats going in in linux but im getting there [14:01] yeah that's about as reliable as make uninstall [14:01] or it might be pip unistall. [14:01] try pip --help [14:01] or easy_install --help [14:02] always favour distro packages [14:02] you will have much fewer problems that way [14:02] goes for building from source too [14:03] especially if the guides are out of date, you probably don't need to [14:03] distro packages meaning things that are in apt registery? [14:03] yes [14:03] ty [14:10] oh look a new blackberry arrived on my doorstep [14:12] Unlucky you AlanBell :) === aquarius_ is now known as aquarius === seeker_ is now known as seeker [15:26] MOOOOOOOOO!!!!! [15:27] i'm starting to think davmor2 might actually have mad cow disease... think about it, all adds up [15:27] Sleep [15:35] gord: No, that only affects cows. [15:35] Who's to say that he isn't one? [15:36] he just scrubs up real nice [15:37] gord: no I have mad gord disease which means you suddenly need to drink tea, grow your hair long and moo at the moon [15:38] AlanBell: you seriously need to do some gardening if the brambles are growing over your dorrstep [15:39] doorstep even [16:13] moo-n! [16:14] directhex: man how did you know the password? [16:15] mad gords disease is spreading who will be next [16:16] right, I've been infected by gord ages ago [16:20] By the Everyone Happy Friday! [16:23] \o/ [16:23] Less than 2 hours left to the working day [16:23] 37 mins \o/ [16:24] Well probably 30 :) [16:24] ... evil people who finish work at 5 [16:24] Yeah, doesn't make any sense to me [16:24] Only job I've ever had that has! [16:25] It's taken me nearly 2 years to get used to it [16:25] :P [16:25] * bigcalm never stops working :( [16:25] * diplo used to be like that [16:26] I changed for my wife and boys [16:26] Right now I'm playing catch up due to lack of connection [16:26] Wife liked it so much she left me 6 months later :D [16:26] o.O [16:32] i work on a timesheet basis, so I get fridays half off. i finished a half hour ago :p [17:06] \o/ [17:14] directhex: I saw the funniest sign in the states, "We Pierce Ears Half Off" that made me think I wasn't going there [17:33] 8-) [18:27] Evening one and all [18:33] \o dipole [18:33] dipole? diplo! [18:44] :P [18:45] anyone got a recommended value PC that works with Ubuntu and is fairly quiet? [18:46] No but would be interested myself if you find one, parents need a new PC and I'd like to Ubuntu them :) [18:46] AlanBell: Raspberry Pi [18:47] lol [18:47] http://www.ebuyer.com/337174-zoostorm-desktop-pc-7873-1051 how does that look? anyone get a better price/spec? [18:47] AlanBell: ASUS [18:47] build your own [18:48] yeah, I am happy to build, but that often ends up more expensive than a system [18:48] AlanBell: I got a test box that is pretty quiet and it's just a cheap E-system box from pc-world cost about 180 off the top of my head [18:48] Was looking at that one for my parents AlanBell [18:48] that's not great for the price [18:48] really ali1234 ? [18:48] Has it been that long since i specced a PC [18:48] yes, it's gonna have a rubbish loud power supply in that cheap ass case [18:48] Seems cheap to me [18:48] it's cheap [18:48] ali1234: yeah, there is a comment about the PSU noise [18:49] but for the same price you could get higher quality components [18:49] Albeit I've not bought a new PC in how long [18:49] get a cheap coolermaster case [18:49] You have me interested now, tonights task i guess [18:50] also intel graphics lol [18:50]