[11:26] <rick_h_> morning
[11:27] <rick_h_> it's plant day yay!
[12:13] <jrwren> what does that mean?
[12:13] <jrwren> morning!
[12:16] <rick_h_> fish tank plant shipment arrives today
[12:16] <rick_h_> so I can start get new fish tomorrow after spending the last few weeks in setup
[12:34] <snap-l> Yay!
[12:36] <snap-l> IT's interesting seeing the bitcoin thefts in recent months
[12:37] <snap-l> almost like bank robberies
[12:37]  * snap-l wonders what list that sentence put him on
[12:37] <rick_h_> heh yea, I thought you couldn't do that though since they're signed/validated type things
[12:38] <snap-l> rick_h_: Yeah, I'm not entirely sure how they work
[12:38] <snap-l> unless you mark them as spent or something.
[12:40] <snap-l> rick_h_: We were wonderingif the fish would also get trained
[12:41] <snap-l> and when they'll learn their ABCs. ;)
[12:41] <rick_h_> no, unfortunately they only 'trick' they learn drives me nuts
[12:41] <rick_h_> "oooh, people...let's swarm and hope for food"
[12:41] <rick_h_> so you have to admire from a distance, stupid fish
[12:42] <snap-l> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_Iznh9VbsY
[12:43] <rick_h_> yea, you'll never see a goldfish in one of my tanks
[12:44] <snap-l> rick_h_: Not even as a feeder fish?
[12:44] <snap-l> c'mon, they're cheap, and the pee up a tank like little gold carp.
[12:44] <rick_h_> nope
[12:47] <brousch> what's wrong with goldfish?
[12:49] <snap-l> brousch: They're essentially gold-colored carp?
[12:49]  * rick_h_ has a passionate hate for goldfish
[12:50] <rick_h_> they're the django of the fish world, built for the less than sophisticated :P
[12:50] <brousch> wow
[12:50] <brousch> carp are fun
[12:50] <snap-l> rick_h_: Well said
[12:51] <brousch> we used to have an annual fishing thing called carpfest. we would use balled up dog poop and dough as bait
[12:51] <snap-l> brousch: That should be a data point. :)
[12:51] <rick_h_> ah, well how can I possible say unsophisticated at that?
[12:51] <brousch> come on. they're fish. no fish is sophisticated
[12:53] <rick_h_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEJT3HzOBp4
[12:56] <rick_h_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_m4-UD4i5JU nice
[12:58] <snap-l> Woah, that's beautiful
[12:59] <rick_h_> yea, just search for planted aqariums
[12:59] <rick_h_> that's the "idea" of what I'll be working towards, just don't have the skills/equipment to pull it off that well yet
[12:59] <rick_h_> why I say a good aquarium is room decor really
[13:00] <brousch> ooops http://bitcoinmedia.com/compromised-linode-coins-stolen-from-slush-faucet-and-others/
[13:00] <snap-l> IT's not a real aquarium unles it has painted blue gravel and skelatal pirate remains with an air-activated treasure chest.
[13:00] <rick_h_> lol
[13:01] <brousch> snap-l++
[13:06] <snap-l> http://www.lulu.com/blog/2012/03/01/vampire-diaries-harpercollins/ <- This is horseshit.
[13:52] <snap-l> Ubuntu haters theme song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbMXPsmyAiI
[14:16] <snap-l> Man, I never usually listen to King's X, but I love it every time I do
[14:19] <rick_h_> ATT is going to get mad at me today. Fresh installs of two machines
[14:19] <rick_h_> make-ifying lots of setup stuff so reloads and reloads to test it works
[14:22] <snap-l> heh. :)
[14:23] <nullspace> rick_h_: why would ATT get mad at you?
[14:23] <rick_h_> even reinstalling the netbook today with the beta1
[14:23] <rick_h_> nullspace: just hammering my net pretty much straight today so far
[14:24] <rick_h_> love it when downloads go from kB/s to M
[14:28] <krondor> nullspace:  ATT hates when they're customers attempt to use the capacity they sold them.  It's common knowledge.
[14:28] <rick_h_> pretty much :)
[14:28] <krondor> woot I know its friday because my grammar is bad (s/they're/their/)
[14:31] <rick_h_> really cool http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3653805
[14:32] <nullspace> that sucks
[15:31] <snap-l> BTW: IF you're planning on coming to the jam tomorrow, please please PLEASE RSVP so I have a better idea of who is coming.
[15:32] <snap-l> http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-michigan/1526/detail/
[15:34] <brousch> ok
[15:35] <snap-l> brousch: Thank you. :)
[15:35] <brousch> oh wait, forgot to add the 12 others i'm bringing
[15:36] <snap-l> brousch: That's fine. We have room for them inthe back yar.
[15:36] <snap-l> yard, even
[15:36] <brousch> how did you know they were dogs?
[15:36] <snap-l> My allergies told me.
[15:37] <brousch> snap-l: do you know of others who haven't rsvped?
[15:38] <snap-l> I think waldo323_ hasn't
[15:38] <snap-l> Not sure if anyone else is coming
[15:38] <snap-l> hence the "please RSVP"
[15:38] <snap-l> I need to know how much febreeze I'll need for when you guys leave. ;)
[15:40] <brousch>  A LOT
[15:40] <brousch> just for that i'm eating taco bell tonight
[15:41]  * snap-l makes a note to get the 55 gallon drum and a pump to spray brousch down as he enters.
[15:42] <brousch> you m ight want to. i have 2 dogs
[15:42] <brousch> make me sit on a plastic-covered chair
[15:42] <snap-l> hah
[15:43] <snap-l> Nah, that should be OK
[15:47] <brousch> i will bring some beers
[15:48] <snap-l> Awesome.
[15:50] <tjagoda> Is anybody else running the 12.04 beta yet?
[15:50] <tjagoda> (in unity)
[15:50] <rick_h_> https://picasaweb.google.com/116120911388966791792/Aqarium?authuser=0&feat=directlink
[15:50] <rick_h_> plants are started, going to take weeks/months for them to grow in, but it's greener
[15:50] <tjagoda> I think I'm missing the system configuration applet that has all the unity settings.
[15:51] <rick_h_> tjagoda: yes, running it in two places as of this morning :)
[15:51] <tjagoda> Do you have "User Interface" in your system settings?
[15:51] <snap-l> rick_h_: nice!
[15:51] <brousch> what are these settings you speak of?
[15:51] <rick_h_> no, just appearance
[15:51] <tjagoda> hm.
[15:52] <rick_h_> tjagoda: I think that was from that ccsm stuff wasn't it?
[15:52] <brousch> unity is the anti-kde
[15:52] <tjagoda> I saw a demo in which this dude was able to set the color of his unity dash, via system settings
[15:52] <tjagoda> I didn't think it was ccsm, maybe it was
[15:52] <snap-l> https://plus.google.com/photos/116120911388966791792/albums/5715327558486625105/5715327560765671730?banner=pwa <- rick_h_ is that a heater?
[15:52] <tjagoda> So the only added unity configuration option is really just "Dont hide the dock" and "Make the icons big/smaller"
[15:52] <tjagoda> =(
[15:53] <rick_h_> snap-l: no, extra filter to help out while I settle things
[15:53] <rick_h_> snap-l: it'll get yanked once things are going ok
[15:53] <rick_h_> it's just pulling water through that fiber in the bottom for extra filtering of big stuff
[15:53] <snap-l> rick_h_: Ah, haven't seen one of those before. Looked strange.
[15:53] <brousch> rick_h_: come on, not a single pirate-related item?
[15:53] <rick_h_> yea, just a powerhead at the top with a container below for fiberous filter media
[15:53] <rick_h_> brousch: nope...no pirates
[15:54] <brousch> humbug
[15:54] <rick_h_> just a bunch of $$ down the drain...I mean fish tank
[15:54]  * snap-l cancels his big order of plastic pirate stuff for rick_h_'s tank
[15:54] <snap-l> http://www.squidoo.com/pirate-fish-tank-aquarium-decorations
[15:55] <tjagoda> I am intimidated by Rick's fish tank.
[15:55] <brousch> how about a classy, half-naked mermaid on that stick?
[15:55] <rick_h_> hah (on the pirate ship)
[15:55] <rick_h_> brousch: I cannot seem to find a way to reply that doesn't put me in CoC violations
[15:55] <snap-l> rick_h_: snicker
[15:56] <tjagoda> I hate unity a lot less when the launcher bar not auto-hiding
[15:59] <tjagoda> definitely still hate the global menu bar.
[16:00] <tjagoda> ...so if I'm in firefox
[16:00] <brousch> yeah, that is incredibly annoying
[16:00] <tjagoda> and I type "print" into the HUB
[16:00] <tjagoda> HUD*
[16:00] <tjagoda> ...it gives me the cups printer devices window
[16:00] <tjagoda> -_-
[16:01] <tjagoda> What I actually have to type is "file" and then go find print in the list
[16:02] <tjagoda> Typing "File Pr" gives not File Print as the top choice, but "Work Offline" as the top choice
[16:02] <tjagoda> HUD needs lotsowork
[16:02] <snap-l> http://arstechnica.com/business/news/2012/02/hands-on-with-windows-8-server-beta-a-quick-start-to-domain-domination.ars <- THAT'S a server panel?
[16:02] <snap-l> (puke)
[16:03] <tjagoda> Thats the server start menu =(
[16:03] <tjagoda> Leaking into the rest of server =(
[16:03] <brousch> snap-l: doesn't your server have a touch screen?
[16:03] <tjagoda> The theory behind it is to make it so you can remote admin from a tablet
[16:04] <tjagoda> which sounds like a fun hour of excruciating pain
[16:04] <snap-l> I hope Metro gives Microsoft the kicking they deserve
[16:04] <brousch> i already do that. it's called connectbot
[16:04] <tjagoda> I am angered by the lack of negative press Metro is getting
[16:04] <tjagoda> Physically angered
[16:05] <brousch> tjagoda: i think the people who really hate it already moved on to other things
[16:05] <tjagoda> So angered that I log into minecraft 1.2 to go annihilate all the kittens
[16:05] <brousch> i for one, don't give a rats ass about it
[16:05] <tjagoda> What really makes me angry
[16:05] <tjagoda> is that in two years the only apps allowed within the windows 8 app store will be HTML fancypants web apps
[16:05] <tjagoda> no local stuff
[16:05] <tjagoda> all web stuff
[16:05] <brousch> then why use windows at all?
[16:06] <tjagoda> At which point my computer is no longer a computer, but a toy
[16:06] <brousch> the only people use windows is to run applications that don't run on anything else
[16:06] <tjagoda> True
[16:06] <tjagoda> Perhaps that makes life easier for linux
[16:06] <snap-l> brousch: "then why use windows at all?" <- THIS
[16:06] <brousch> no one _wants_ to use windows. they _have_ to
[16:07] <brousch> ok, there are some few demented people who want to use windows
[16:08] <tjagoda> Like jrwren?
[16:08] <tjagoda> =P
[16:09] <brousch> no, he uses apple
[16:10] <tjagoda> Doesn't he like live inside of .NET though?
[16:10] <rick_h_> not any more
[16:10] <tjagoda> I thought his clothes were actually made from sewn-together pieces of old ASP manuals. =(
[16:10] <rick_h_> jrwren: where's the new gig?
[16:10] <rick_h_> https://twitter.com/#!/davglass/status/175612954891390976/photo/1/large is scary
[16:11] <tjagoda> jcastro's personal hell
[16:11] <snap-l> Now if each of those tablets had a picture of his kids, that would be scary.
[16:11] <rick_h_> they're all running YUI tests
[16:12] <snap-l> I'm not sure if I'm turned on, or turned off.
[16:13] <tjagoda> Wow
[16:13] <tjagoda> Comcast business internet for 100/100 throughput
[16:14] <tjagoda> not that expensive
[19:19] <rick_h_> bwuhahaha Makefile all the things!
[19:19] <rick_h_> http://paste.mitechie.com/show/556/ I'll have to sed up the nginx.conf so it's global/reusable as well
[19:31] <snap-l> Oh jeez.
[19:39] <rick_h_> local pypi mirror in one command (well two)
[19:39] <rick_h_> make install && make update
[19:40] <rick_h_> then wait for 30gb to download
[19:43] <brousch> sheat, 30GB?
[19:43] <brousch> seems like a caching proxy would be more valuable
[19:44] <brousch> a caching proxy pipi mirror
[19:44] <rick_h_> well it's like a debian mirror, but smaller
[19:44] <rick_h_> it's got a cron job to pull new stuff each day, etc
[19:45] <rick_h_> I mean, I'm not dying for 30gb
[19:45] <rick_h_> not running it on the laptop, just the local network
[19:56] <brousch> but you could have a local caching mirror on your laptop
[19:56] <rick_h_> yea, problaby, but I've got the ssd so any largish space like might not be great
[20:11] <krondor> speaking of ssd anyone know if Intel RST (ssd cache mainly) has Linux support... I'm thinking no, but so far haven't Google'd anything great.
[20:13] <rick_h_> jcastro: might know as he was shopping around ssd's more recently than me
[20:13] <rick_h_> I've not checked
[20:31] <jcastro> no clue on that one
[21:07] <krondor> oh well, I'm just assuming no which means I look at things like bcache some more (or zfs l2arc)
[21:30] <jcastro> rick_h_: who do I talk to about ubuntu SSO, is that a launchpad thing or ISD thing?
[21:35] <rick_h_> jcastro: IS
[21:35] <jcastro> IS or ISD?
[21:36] <rick_h_> I'd be in #is
[21:36] <rick_h_> jcastro: I think, but it depends on what the issue really is
[21:36] <jcastro> is that a guess or do you know?
[21:36] <jcastro> Askubuntu needs to be using ubuntu sso and not launchpad sso
[21:36] <jcastro> but when they looked at it:
[21:36] <rick_h_> ah, I gotcha
[21:36] <jcastro> http://meta.askubuntu.com/questions/2076/launchpad-single-sign-on-needs-to-be-replaced-with-ubuntu-sso
[21:37] <jcastro> and I need to link up a dude with this guy
[21:37] <rick_h_> jcastro: yea, I'd toss that to the contact in #is and if they can't help they should be able to point you 100%
[21:37] <rick_h_> but no, I don't know 100%, but with SSO stuff I start with webobs in launchpad-ops and when it's outside of that I've gone to #is
[21:38] <rick_h_> and this is all about getting out of launchpad part of it
[22:39] <brousch> snap-l: i have some blank dvds, cds and a usb burner
[22:39] <brousch> anything else you think we'll need?
[22:45] <brousch> oh, and 12 different west michigan beers