| AfC | Hi | 02:52 |
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| jelmer | Amoz: that issue should be fixed in unstable | 05:05 |
| vivekimsit1 | Hii, Everyone :) | 07:09 |
| vivekimsit1 | I am new to bazaar and looking forward to use it for and my projects, But first of all I want that there are some existing projects which I would like to convert into the bazaar repository but when I do bzr init-repo it creates a new repository! | 07:10 |
| lifeless | vivekimsit1: hi, that is what init-repo is meant to do. What were you expecting ? | 07:26 |
| vivekimsit1 | lifeless: init-repo is creating a new dir! | 07:26 |
| vivekimsit1 | lifeless: but I want that the I have one project folder already and I would like to convert it into the bzr repo | 07:28 |
| lifeless | 'bzr init' on its own will bzr-ise an existing directory | 07:29 |
| vivekimsit1 | lifeless: ok! let me conform, Go to the existing directory run the command bzr init inside it and this will make the parent directory a bazaar repo..! am i right? | 07:35 |
| lifeless | yes; you might like to read the manual, it give a guided introduction | 07:39 |
| lifeless | vivekimsit1: e.g. http://doc.bazaar.canonical.com/latest/en/user-guide/starting_a_project.html | 07:40 |
| vivekimsit1 | lifeless:Thanks :) | 07:46 |
| vivekimsit1 | How can I know how many repositories I have | 08:33 |
| vivekimsit1 | or how to see the list of all the repos | 08:33 |
| wilx | repositories are just directories | 08:36 |
| wilx | If you want to bzr'ize a single directory, that means you will want to create a stand alone branch. | 08:36 |
| wilx | Just cd ~/mycode and then bzr init . | 08:36 |
| wilx | bzr add . | 08:36 |
| wilx | bzr commit . | 08:36 |
| wilx | Done. | 08:36 |
| wilx | I am pretty sure the basics are well enough described in the docs. | 08:37 |
| vivekimsit1 | Is there any doc related to launchpad? | 09:50 |
| wilx | help.launchpad.net | 10:02 |
| wilx | ? | 10:02 |
| vivekimsit1 | ok' | 10:24 |
| goddard | can some one explain something to me | 10:59 |
| goddard | if I am creating a new branch and then I use bzr-upload | 11:00 |
| goddard | it will upload that branch | 11:00 |
| goddard | what happens if i create a new branch? | 11:00 |
| wilx | goddard: Then you will have two? :) | 11:35 |
| wilx | I have never tried bzr-upload. | 11:35 |
| wilx | I see, it is pure copy upload. | 11:36 |
| wilx | Why don't you use bzr branch/push instead? | 11:37 |
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| Amoz | jelmer: so that issue is already taken care of? will it be automatically synced to build in LP? | 18:06 |
| M-Boy | Hello all | 19:21 |
| M-Boy | is there somewhere I can chat with ? | 19:22 |
| M-Boy | someone* | 19:22 |
| M-Boy | sorry | 19:22 |
| jelmer | hi | 19:22 |
| M-Boy | for instance; I know the "don't ask to ask" rule but every time I come over and just ask I see all people are dead so am checking first ^^ | 19:22 |
| M-Boy | Hi jelmer what up ? | 19:22 |
| M-Boy | I mean how are you... | 19:22 |
| jelmer | alright, how are you? | 19:23 |
| jelmer | Amoz: hi | 19:23 |
| jelmer | Amoz: let mec heck | 19:23 |
| M-Boy | jelmer, I got a straight forward question. I am looking for a "tool" that would replace the linux shell in order to administrate and manage bazaar branches :/ | 19:24 |
| jelmer | M-Boy: what do you mean with replace the shell, what would you like to do? | 19:25 |
| M-Boy | launchpad is a hell therefore I cannot really manage to clone it on my private server, hence I am looking for something else | 19:25 |
| M-Boy | jelmer, let's see I have set up a quick dev environement for a team of 3 developers | 19:25 |
| M-Boy | we have agreed on a straight forward version control workflow: Local branches map on remote branches + 1 remote branch (so called mainline) for global merges | 19:26 |
| M-Boy | the issue is that we keep struggling with permissions... | 19:26 |
| M-Boy | I litteraly spent the whole afternoon trying to figure out how to achieve the best organization but each time I keep fighting with folders' permissions | 19:26 |
| M-Boy | jelmer, any advice? | 19:41 |
| jelmer | M-Boy: what have you set up exactly? | 19:43 |
| jelmer | M-Boy: how are you sharing the branches? | 19:43 |
| * jelmer back in ~15 min | 19:43 | |
| M-Boy | jelmer, I am using bzr+ssh | 19:45 |
| M-Boy | I simply created /bazaar/project_repositoru/branches... | 19:45 |
| * jelmer is back | 20:25 | |
| jelmer | M-Boy: you might want to adjust the permission mask that's used for those users | 20:26 |
| jelmer | so that the group automatically gets write access to new files | 20:26 |
| M-Boy | jelmer, so there is nothing that does this for me through a simple user interface for example? | 20:26 |
| M-Boy | i only found bazaar explorer and it doesn't | 20:27 |
| wilx | Can I remove an entire branch on bzr+ssh:// repo? | 20:32 |
| wilx | Remotely. | 20:32 |
| M-Boy | nvm | 20:45 |
| M-Boy | see ya | 20:45 |
| jelmer | wilx: yes, "bzr rmbranch" can do that | 20:52 |
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| kbulgrien | say I want to have --no-recurse whenever I add a directory. Is there an easy way to set stuff like that up? | 21:53 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | kbulgrien: you can add aliases to ~/.bazaarbazaar.conf | 21:56 |
| * kbulgrien reading up on alias | 22:00 | |
| kbulgrien | bleah. As with other VCS, don't much care for personal alias because it makes you not know how to do things native. | 22:01 |
| kbulgrien | If I go somewhere my aliases aren't set up, that is a pain. I'd rather know how to do it without an alias. | 22:02 |
| kbulgrien | (It's also a pain that --no-recurse has no shortcut) | 22:02 |
| kbulgrien | Tho I guess its the same if I have to do something else to set up a different default. | 22:04 |
| jelmer | kbulgrien: I guess we could add a short option for it, but I think it's generally not used very often | 22:20 |
| AfC | jelmer: I'd vote for a short option; --no-recurse is something I use a great deal and yeah, it's a pain to type. | 22:22 |
| kbulgrien | Use it heavily ... coming to bzr from other vcs, this is a great pain. | 22:23 |
| kbulgrien | It at least needs a short option, IMO. | 22:24 |
| jelmer | is this --no-recuse for 'bzr ls', 'bzr add', 'bzr status' or all? | 22:24 |
| AfC | jelmer: I personally am describing my use of add | 22:24 |
| kbulgrien | Mostly add is where it bugs me the most. | 22:25 |
| kbulgrien | but if added, I'd probably vote for consistency. | 22:25 |
| jelmer | yeah, I agree if we add it we should add it consistently | 22:26 |
| AfC | jelmer: my complaint is that in the case of add (one of your first experiences with bzr,) would be more along the lines that most Unix commands require you to specify ls -R or grep -r to make it recursive. | 22:26 |
| AfC | jelmer: but it is what it is | 22:26 |
| kbulgrien | AfC: I agree | 22:27 |
| jelmer | AfC: I think one of the issues there is also that all other VCS tools seem to be recursive by default | 22:27 |
| jelmer | and other bzr commands are recursive by default | 22:27 |
| kbulgrien | jelmer: also agree, but short option then. | 22:27 |
| AfC | jelmer: {shrug} then bzr has to be. Put another way, bzr was recursive before any of the others :) | 22:28 |
| jelmer | bug 945904 | 22:28 |
| ubot5 | Launchpad bug 945904 in Bazaar "-N as alias for --no-recurse" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/945904 | 22:28 |
| jelmer | AfC: not before svn (or CVS?) | 22:28 |
| AfC | modern 3rd generation DVCSen | 22:28 |
| kbulgrien | CVS was recursive, but not for add | 22:28 |
| kbulgrien | of directory | 22:28 |
| kbulgrien | recursive add of all directory contents is bad imo | 22:28 |
| kbulgrien | very bad | 22:28 |
| kbulgrien | recursive for anything I'm largely okay with. | 22:29 |
| kbulgrien | (else) | 22:29 |
| kbulgrien | but to add new stuff recursively to the vcs is a big giant pain more often than not. | 22:29 |
| jelmer | why would you have non-versioned and non-ignored files under a VCS directory? | 22:30 |
| kbulgrien | many reasons | 22:30 |
| AfC | jelmer: it's incremental; | 22:30 |
| AfC | jelmer: as you're building a new project | 22:30 |
| AfC | jelmer: you add a little bit at a time; and I am constantly surprised that "oops!" it went deep. | 22:31 |
| kbulgrien | exactly | 22:31 |
| AfC | jelmer: especially when you're being careful trying to add the bits you know you should have under version control | 22:31 |
| kbulgrien | now try to vcs your OS | 22:31 |
| kbulgrien | bzr add etc | 22:31 |
| kbulgrien | oh crap | 22:31 |
| AfC | jelmer: the END RESULT is yes, you might have added everything, but that's not a conclusion you immediately come to | 22:31 |
| AfC | jelmer: also things like "yes, I should add the log/ directory as an empty stub... ooops, oh crap" | 22:32 |
| AfC | anyway | 22:32 |
| kbulgrien | AfC: you and I think alike. yes. stubs is another reason. | 22:32 |
| AfC | I doubt you will be able to change the default behaviour, but a short alias would indeed be lovely. | 22:33 |
| jelmer | AfC: bug 945904 | 22:33 |
| ubot5 | Launchpad bug 945904 in Bazaar "-N as alias for --no-recurse" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/945904 | 22:33 |
| AfC | jelmer: already subscribed :) | 22:33 |
| kbulgrien | svn is -N for the same thing | 22:37 |
| kbulgrien | not that I think we should copy svn | 22:37 |
| kbulgrien | btw, lest it be seen I popped in to complain, I have been looking for new vcs for a long time. bzr is it. | 22:37 |
| AfC | kbulgrien: it's a good choice. | 22:37 |
| jelmer | ... and branch attached | 22:37 |
| jelmer | we just need to wait for a bzr reviewer to approve it now, and it will be in 2.6 | 22:38 |
| kbulgrien | :-) | 22:38 |
| kbulgrien | Am slated to convert my work over sometime in not too distant future. | 22:38 |
| kbulgrien | of all the newfangled vcs, bzr is the most natural progression imo. All others have made me work to adopt. bzr just fits like a glove. A bit uncomfortable, but just what it seems a vcs should be. | 22:40 |
| kbulgrien | uncomfortable primarily just like anything new with a lot of stuff in it is uncomfortable, not bad kind of discomfort. | 22:42 |
| AfC | kbulgrien: our contribution to getting people going on using bzr with our project was http://java-gnome.sourceforge.net/HACKING.html You might find some useful tidbits there. | 22:43 |
| kbulgrien | bookmarked | 22:47 |
| kbulgrien | I tried git for a few weeks and borked things up several times while learning and it was hard all the way. one night I tried to do something I was used to doing in another vcs. After a long time I found git will not do it. | 22:49 |
| kbulgrien | I started reading and found probably hg wouldn't either. | 22:49 |
| kbulgrien | I d/l bzr and it was done in 15 minutes. | 22:49 |
| kbulgrien | None of the pain of git at all. | 22:49 |
| kbulgrien | I had never used distributed vcs before. | 22:50 |
| wilx | Hg and Bzr seem largly equal though. | 22:50 |
| kbulgrien | treating dirs as explicit versioned resources. | 22:50 |
| wilx | I have picked Bazaar over Mercurial mainly because the ecosystem seems stronger. | 22:51 |
| kbulgrien | hg didn't used to. maybe they changed. | 22:51 |
| kbulgrien | i didn't even have to look in the manual... what I wanted to do "just worked" when I figured out what to type from built in help. | 22:53 |
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