[00:17] <bulldog98> yofel: has someone finally made icecream doing crosscompiles?
[00:21] <yofel> not that I know of
[00:24] <rbelem> Riddell, i'm back
[00:33] <CIA-42> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/smokeqt] Philip Muškovac * 19 * debian/ (changelog control) New upstream release
[00:40] <CIA-42> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/perlqt] Philip Muškovac * 22 * debian/ (changelog control) New upstream release
[00:40] <CIA-42> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/qtruby] Philip Muškovac * 19 * debian/ (changelog control) New upstream release
[00:56] <bulldog98> yofel: there was a command for updateing the symbols files but I can’t remember it
[01:08] <yofel> bulldog98: http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/symbolfiles.html
[01:08]  * yofel is off to bed - good night
[02:22] <bulldog98> apachelogger: is it save that Nepomuk::ResourceManager::slotStoreChanged() was removed upstream?
[02:45] <bulldog98> is this changelog entry ok? http://paste.kde.org/432614
[03:05] <CIA-42> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kdelibs] Jonathan Kolberg * 401 * debian/ (7 files) * New upstream release - Update symbol files
[04:24] <sreich> so i have a VM of kubuntu, i buillt kde-workspace using apt-get build-dep, and then source and dpkg built it. that worked fine
[04:25] <sreich> except now i tried the same thing with kdeplasma-addons, applied my patches yet now i get ../../../runners/bing/bingjob.h:21:19: fatal error: QObject: No such file or directory
[04:25] <sreich> which doesn't make any sense, because that does #include <QObject>
[04:25] <sreich> and it builds on my machine..assuming i copied everything over properly. how could that line possibly fail, yet kde-wrokspace builds
[04:34] <ScottK> Did you apt-get build-dep kdeplasma-addons?
[04:35] <sreich> yeah
[04:35]  * sreich tries a fresh source get
[04:38] <sreich> yeayh, how odd. even without any modifications i get that for whatever it encoutners
[04:38] <sreich>  /usr/include/plasma/abstractrunner.h:23:26: fatal error: QtCore/QObject: No such file or directory
[05:05] <ScottK> Weird.
[08:32] <CIA-42> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kdepimlibs] Jonathan Kolberg * 162 * debian/ (changelog control) New upstream release
[08:47] <CIA-42> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kde-wallpapers] Jonathan Kolberg * 26 * debian/ (changelog control) New upstream release
[08:56] <CIA-42> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/okular] Jonathan Kolberg * 24 * debian/ (changelog control) New upstream release
[09:55] <Riddell> "sarah.j.smith@nokia.com has been removed from kubuntu-devel"
[09:56] <Riddell> maco: looks like we're in trouble when the aliens come :(
[10:25] <yofel> bulldog98: changelog fine, except: please remove ~ppa1 from the version and use UNRELEASED as release in bzr
[10:25] <yofel> not too  important, but easier to script if necessary
[10:31] <yofel> also prevents people uploading something with ~ppa1 to the archive
[10:38] <yofel> ooh, calligra 2.4 RC1 up for packaging
[11:21] <yofel> hm, new bugzilla on bugs.kde.org somehow doesn't look right...
[11:57] <CIA-42> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/analitza] Philip Muškovac * 8 * debian/ (changelog control) New upstream release
[12:04] <CIA-42> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kactivities] Philip Muškovac * 10 * debian/ (changelog control) New upstream release
[12:38] <yofel> bulldog98: I've uploaded kdepimlibs to the ppa which was missing for some reason
[12:39] <CIA-42> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kdepimlibs] Philip Muškovac * 163 * debian/ (changelog libakonadi-kde4.symbols) merge changelog entries and update libakonadi-kde4.symbols
[12:39] <yofel> and a symbol file wasn't updated
[12:52] <rbelem> Riddell, KDEDIRS does not seems work with startactive :-/
[13:04] <yofel> rbelem: where are you setting that?
[13:22] <rbelem> yofel, in the startactive script
[13:23] <yofel> is that run before, after or instead of startkde?
[13:23] <rbelem> yofel, and i tried in the /etc/X11/Xsession.d
[13:23] <rbelem> yofel, it does not use startkde
[13:23] <rbelem> yofel, startactive replaces startkde
[13:25] <yofel> and what are you trying to do with KDEDIRS?
[13:25] <rbelem> yofel, i thought startactive should handle KDEDIRS
[13:26] <rbelem> yofel, but it does not seems to do :'(
[13:26] <yofel> afaik KDEDIRS can override a few things, but it's not set by default
[13:27] <yofel> so where are you setting it?
[13:27] <rbelem> yofel, i'm trying to override /usr/share/xsessions
[13:28] <rbelem> yofel, i set it in the startactive script
[13:29] <yofel> hm, /usr/share/xsessions is only used by kdm though
[13:30] <yofel> so what are you trying to do again?
[13:30] <rbelem> yofel, oops... sorry i meant /usr/share/autostart
[13:30] <yofel> ah k
[13:32] <rbelem> yofel, hum... i think i found why it is not working
[13:33] <rbelem> yofel, startactive is overriding the KDEDIRS
[13:35] <yofel_> well, overriding with what? by default KDEDIRS is empty
[13:35] <yofel_> it's only set in kubuntu's startkde by our patches
[13:36] <rbelem> yofel, it is being set to /usr
[13:36] <rbelem> yofel, by startactive
[13:36] <yofel_> which will override nothing if I understand this right
[13:38] <rbelem> yofel, i think i'm setting the KDEDIRS before startactive, so it overrides my KDEDIRS
[13:38] <yofel> then some patch is wrong, we set KDEDIRS in neon before running startkde as well, and it works
[13:39] <yofel> you set it to something like this?
[13:39] <yofel> export KDEDIRS=/usr/share/kubuntu-active-default-settings/:/usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde4-profile/default/
[13:51] <yofel> ScottK: do I need an FFe for bug 928009?
[13:53] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[13:53] <yofel> hi BluesKaj
[13:53] <BluesKaj> hi yofel
[13:54] <BluesKaj> we had a power failure overnight , but this pc booted fine this morning ..I was expecting some boot probs but all is well :)
[13:58] <CIA-42> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kate] Philip Muškovac * 57 * debian/ (changelog control) New upstream release
[14:18] <CIA-42> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kde-runtime] Philip Muškovac * 261 * debian/ (10 files) (log message trimmed)
[14:18] <CIA-42> * New upstream release * Add a kde-runtime-dev package with the nepomuk headers
[14:18] <CIA-42> (LP: #928009) * Add seperate packages for libnepomukdatamanagement4 and
[14:27] <CIA-42> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/libkdcraw] Philip Muškovac * 30 * debian/ (changelog control) New upstream release
[14:29] <CIA-42> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/libkdeedu] Philip Muškovac * 26 * debian/ (changelog control) New upstream release
[14:42] <CIA-42> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kdemultimedia] Philip Muškovac * 148 * debian/changelog New upstream release
[14:43] <CIA-42> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kdegames] Philip Muškovac * 146 * debian/ (changelog control) New upstream release
[14:45] <yofel> bbl
[14:54] <ScottK> yofel: As long as it doesn't need a new binary package, no FFe needed.  
[15:01] <yofel> it does, I'll file it later
[15:14] <rbelem> yofel, i had a small problem here :-)
[15:14] <rbelem> yofel, i found a solution
[15:15] <rbelem> yofel, just remove the KDEDIRS from /usr/share/kde4/apps/startactive/env.conf
[15:16] <rbelem> yofel, this file is loaded by startactive.bin
[15:16] <rbelem> yofel, later i will make a patch to create a env.cond.d/
[15:17] <rbelem> yofel, then there third parties could install theirs specific env
[15:18]  * rbelem goes to kitchen :-) cook something
[16:42] <rbelem> Riddell, i uploaded a new startactive with more fixes
[16:51] <rbelem> yofel, it is working now \o/
[16:51] <rbelem> Riddell, ^
[17:00] <rbelem> Riddell, i think it is ok to enter the archives
[17:00] <rbelem> :-)
[17:05] <hyper_ch> hmmm, where to report a kubuntu 12.04 bug to? former kubuntu team ppa or where?
[17:12] <yofel> hyper_ch: packaging bugs for 12.04 with 'ubuntu-bug <package', KDE bugs at https://bugs.kde.org
[17:13] <hyper_ch> yofel: thx
[17:21] <CIA-42> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/smokekde] Philip Muškovac * 18 * debian/ (changelog control) New upstream release
[17:55] <CIA-42> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kdepim-runtime] Philip Muškovac * 100 * debian/ (changelog control) New upstream release
[17:58] <CIA-42> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kde-workspace] Philip Muškovac * 622 * debian/ (changelog control kde-workspace-data.install) * New upstream release - add networkmanager icons to kde-workspace-data.install
[18:05] <CIA-42> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kde-baseapps] Philip Muškovac * 209 * debian/ (7 files in 2 dirs) * New upstream release - update dolphin.install and kde-baseapps-data.install * Drop kubuntu_25_dolphin_keys.diff, now upstream
[18:08] <CIA-42> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/libkexiv2] Philip Muškovac * 31 * debian/ (changelog control) New upstream release
[18:10] <CIA-42> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/libksane] Philip Muškovac * 23 * debian/ (changelog control) New upstream release
[18:12] <CIA-42> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/libkipi] Philip Muškovac * 30 * debian/ (changelog control) New upstream release
[18:36] <nixternal> ahhhhhhh, finally figured out what was causing my issue with $TERMINAL and irssi. it was my damn nicklist.pl script. i will miss that script
[18:53] <yofel> LOL, new file in kdepim: usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/kmail/troubleshooting.docbook
[18:53] <yofel> :D
[18:54] <nixternal> that should be a fun one to try and read
[18:54] <nixternal> unless of course, khelpcenter was upgraded to read .docbook files since i last checked
[18:55] <nixternal> derr, forgot, that is upstreams, not ours :D
[18:56] <nixternal> note to self: time for larger text or move screen closer...getting old sucks
[19:16] <CIA-42> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kdepim] Philip Muškovac * 195 * debian/ (changelog control kdepim-doc.install kmail.install) * New upstream release - add kmail troubleshooting docbook to kdepim-doc.install - add kmail ontology files to kmail.install
[19:48] <Peace-> is there anyone?
[19:48] <Peace-> xD
[20:30] <codemaniac> Hello Team ,
[20:30] <codemaniac> can anyone let me know how to become a part of the development team
[20:31] <codemaniac> and contribute 
[20:38] <yofel> codemaniac: welcome! I'm a bit busy currently, maybe someone else can give you an intro
[20:39] <yofel> or you'll have to wait an ~hour maybe, then I'm free
[20:39] <Peace-> i did a pretty lame qml animation for kslash
[20:39] <yofel> Riddell: ^
[20:39] <Peace-> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ST5rUnd8QJ0 :D
[20:41] <mikecb> Peace-: nice!
[20:41] <codemaniac> its yofel , thanks
[20:41] <codemaniac> s/its/its ok/
[20:41] <kubotu> codemaniac meant: "its ok yofel , thanks"
[20:41] <codemaniac> yeah you speak my mind kubotu , thanks
[20:43] <Peace-> mikecb: http://kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=149291
[20:45] <mikecb> love the "any insult is welcomed."
[20:46] <Peace-> xD
[20:47] <sreich> rbelem: ping
[20:53] <codemaniac> Is there any developmnet environment to try my hands on ?
[21:27] <yofel> he's gone :(
[21:28] <CIA-42> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/pykde4] Philip Muškovac * 25 * debian/ (changelog control) New upstream release
[21:34] <twobolts> Hello, I've got some experience in QA Automation, Python programming. How can I help for Kubuntu project?
[21:35] <CIA-42> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kdeadmin] Philip Muškovac * 145 * debian/ (changelog control) New upstream release
[21:36] <yofel> twobolts: welcome! 
[21:37] <yofel> We have a few python applications where someone with good python knowledge would be useful for, and our QA side is rather lacking in manpower so any help would be really appreciated there
[21:44] <twobolts> I know python not well, base level.
[21:45] <twobolts> Can you give me information about QA side?
[21:47] <yofel> twobolts: in QA we have generally: release image ISO testing, regression testing on KDE and other package updates, and general testing for the development release
[21:47] <yofel> and I'm probably forgetting something
[21:48] <yofel> ah, bug triaging counts to QA
[21:48] <yofel> we can really need help in all of that
[21:50] <CIA-42> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kdeartwork] Philip Muškovac * 134 * debian/ (changelog control) New upstream release
[21:54] <yofel> twobolts: except bug triaging, which is an ongoing effort, the testing is done whenever it's needed, esp. for ISO testing and bug triaging we have nobody that's really committed to it, so it's usually done by the developers that are available at that time
[22:00] <schnelle> yofel: I am on beta 1 liveCD now and kmess works. Next time I'll test first and then alarm you guys. Sorry
[22:00] <twobolts> ok, how can i help for ISO testing
[22:00] <yofel> schnelle: nah, I should've read the changelog properly, thanks for testing
[22:00] <twobolts> ?
[22:01] <schnelle> yofel: one more question. who backported qt 4.8 to oneiric backports?
[22:02] <schnelle> i am asking because with qt 4.8 from backport all panel bugs are back :(
[22:02] <yofel> twobolts: iso testing is done whenever we have images to test, next will be precise (12.04) beta2 images around end of the month
[22:02] <yofel> schnelle: shadeslayer
[22:02] <yofel> and yes, those patches are still not imported
[22:02] <yofel> I forgot who was looking at them
[22:02] <schnelle> fabo
[22:03] <starbuck> schnelle: which bugs?
[22:03] <yofel> ah right
[22:03] <yofel> fabo: an idea when you'll have time to look at them?
[22:03] <schnelle> starbuck: famous ghost taskbar bug
[22:04] <yofel> twobolts: iso testing is coordinated on http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/ - if you go on the beta1 testing page you can at least see how it looks like
[22:04] <starbuck> what is that, never experienced it ?
[22:04] <schnelle> and taskbar doesn't respond to click bug too. i have all of them if qt isnt patched :(
[22:04] <starbuck> btw updating backports: does anyone know if there is an option to run apt-get command with automatic confirmation of any configuration dialog with the suggested default option? 
[22:04] <yofel> starbuck: happens with the default taskbar and open source graphics drivers it seems
[22:04] <yofel> at least I never saw it with the nvidia driver
[22:05] <starbuck> yofel: okay, and what it does in case I stumble across it since my update to 4.8?
[22:05] <Riddell> bonsoir
[22:05] <yofel> starbuck: I have no idea if that applies to debconf, but apt-get has -y --force-yes
[22:06] <twobolts> yofel: thanks, I'll read that page and do try to start.
[22:06] <yofel> starbuck: it keeps the task entries in the taskbar when you close an application, I'm not really use
[22:06] <starbuck> Ha, i have this bug too !
[22:06] <schnelle> starbuck: If you are interested, i wrote to devel list about it> 
[22:07] <yofel> ...really sure how to trigger it
[22:07] <starbuck> yep, that is bug also here
[22:07] <schnelle> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2012-February/005794.html
[22:07] <starbuck> schnelle: thanks and that would be fixed with 4.8?
[22:07] <starbuck> yofel: okay, does -y -force-yes also apply if default suggested is N [No], like KDM settings new or current?
[22:07] <yofel> twobolts: there's no milestone images to test right now, but I can give you a rundown on how it's done using a daily built image as an example
[22:07] <starbuck> yofel: or does it always apply YES
[22:07] <yofel> starbuck: no idea
[22:08] <schnelle> well i used one ppa with qt 4.7.4 patched, but then i had update from backports to qt 4.8 and now i have these bugs again
[22:08] <starbuck> yep, i have it too now with 4.8 backports
[22:08] <schnelle> starbuck: yes it should be fixed. it is qt bug
[22:09] <CIA-42> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kdenetwork] Philip Muškovac * 168 * debian/ (patches/no_home_set.diff changelog control patches/series) * New upstream release - drop no_home_set.diff - applied upstream
[22:09] <schnelle> There is ppa with patched Qt: https://launchpad.net/~hrvojes/+archive/qt.
[22:09] <yofel> Riddell: you don't by chance know if qt 4.8.1 will be released in time for precise?
[22:11] <Riddell> yofel: I'm afriad not, there's still no public release schedule for qt as far as I know
[22:11] <Riddell> fregl probably has the inside knowledge
[22:11] <twobolts> yofel: ok
[22:11] <yofel> :/
[22:12] <yofel> well, let's see what fabo says
[22:13] <schnelle> this bug is also annoying in beta1> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-font-family/+bug/744812
[22:19] <yofel> twobolts: sorry, something came up, maybe someone else can give you an introduction. If not, I'm usually online every day, so just stick around
[22:20]  * yofel is off for the day
[22:21] <twobolts> yofel: ok thanks
[22:24] <Riddell> wow, two people offering to help in the last two hours
[22:24] <Riddell> alas handholding is a slow process with low success rate
[22:25] <Riddell> and unless we have a nightrose I don't think we can spent too much energy on it, but well worth being nice and discussing as long as it doesn't take too long