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Name141is Lubuntu now "offical"01:02
wxlName141: has been01:04
stlsaintName141: yes it is01:04
wxlName141: in fact, we now have beta 1 of precise/12.04 which should be officially released within the next 60 days or so01:04
wxlName141: (which you can download direct from canonical if you like)01:05
Name141wxl: Alrighty.  I assume my 4670 will do just fine in Lubuntu? I haven't check to see if it has 3D support and all ?01:05
wxlName141: here's feedback from a 4670 user http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=11460635&postcount=1901:09
wxlName141: 3d support means different things to different people but regardless of what it is, even if it's not out of the box, it's a canonical variant, so you can install anything from the repos, e.g. compiz01:10
Name141wxl: I just want to replace XP with something that sure the ..er.. sure aint Unity.01:11
Name141everything but mIRC is native to linux I use anyway.01:12
wxlName141: well yeah anything will work :D01:20
valdur55http://youtu.be/VC7wXPcqjhM funny bug :)01:21
Name141was VLC updated to 2.0 yet? I wonder ?01:21
wxlName141: the nice thing about lubuntu is minimal resource usage. admittedly it can be a bit spartan for some folks. but i think if you want to do something like 3d e.g. (i do a lot of audio) then it keeps the os/gui from hogging all your resources01:21
wxlName141: i'd say grab a live cd and have at it01:22
valdur55damn xubuntu :(01:22
Name141yeah, I might as well install it.01:23
wxlsure, you can try it first tho01:23
wxloh man i just found out l2ork uses ubuntu. i'm going to coerce them to use lubuntu http://l2ork.music.vt.edu/main/?page_id=5601:24
wxlall this darn compiling. someone needs to teach them how to make a ppa ;)01:25
wxlsorry, off-topic but interesting01:25
wxloff to home. holler at us if you need help Name14101:29
kanliotsomeone messed with the default terminal colors in precise.  is this a bug?02:45
deitarionDoes anyone know which icon the update manager wants to use for "some repos couldn't be updated from" which is missing from the default Lubuntu icon theme?03:18
deitarion(The repo which provides my preferred Timidity patch set is unreliable and I'm not overly fond of having an eye-grabbing red "no" sign in my otherwise monochrome tray)03:22
Name141wxl: I can't download large files till 1 AM anyway lol, so no need to holler about nothing till atleast like.. 3 AM lol03:54
Name141anyway, I'm assuming it'll probably run fine with a E2160 + 4670 ?04:02
Name141and 2GB RAM (DDR2.. forgot what speed)04:02
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wxlName141: yeah you should be more than fine04:27
Name141wxl: I just wish I could find something else than hughesnet out in the country ;p05:27
wxlName141: sattelite ;)05:51
Name141wxl: that's what it is06:17
* wxl yawns07:11
mysteriousdarrenWild Blue?07:14
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James_KLhello , installing lubuntu , gives that error x86_64 : http://bitsy.me/img4dy - WTF?10:29
XethronWhat is lubuntu's minimum system requirements?10:52
UnknownArtistshi am using a fresh installation of lubuntu on my external hdd on my notebook11:02
UnknownArtistsnow i plugged in a second (external) monitor11:03
UnknownArtistsbut all the setup-tools for my monitors doesn't mention the monitor11:03
UnknownArtistsexcept of the nvidia tool it shows the monitor but only under the GPU0-settings11:03
UnknownArtiststhe Xserver disply configuration only sais: unabble to load x display configuration page. failed to query noscanout for screen 011:04
UnknownArtistswhat can i do to activate my external monitor11:05
UnknownArtists?11:05
phillwXethron: take a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu#System_Requirements11:14
UnknownArtistsok found it out by myself11:25
UnknownArtistshad to use another nvidia driver11:25
phillwUnknownArtists: thnks for checking back :)11:58
Xethron_phillw, thanks :)12:00
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Xethronphillw, how smooth would lubuntu run on a 700 MHz PIII IBM Laptop with 128MB of RAM?12:01
phillwXethron: it will not be the fastest system in the world, but a PIII should be faster than a PII which is as about as low as we go.12:03
phillwI'd suggest 512MB of Swap on a 128MB system. Also, you will have to use the alternate CD as you do not have enough RAM to use the Desktop install.12:04
XethronI currently have a CLI of Arch Linux installed, using vim and gcc for programming. I have developed the need to view PDF's, however FrameBuffer is too slow, and takes me forever to find the right page in a 800 page document...12:05
XethronSo I am looking to install something with a x for the sole reason to view PDF's and maybe video's12:05
phillwXethron: if you have the hard disk space, you can dual boot to fully test.12:06
XethronI have downloaded the minimul install...12:06
XethronBut ill try the duel boot thing perhaps12:07
phillwhmm, okay - you could have used the Alternate 11.10, but mini install will be okay.12:07
Xethronah :/12:08
XethronWhats the difference?12:08
phillwif you do go for manual partitioning, you tell lubuntu to use your existing /swap partition to save disk space.12:08
XethronI will12:09
XethronI set it up to 512mb...12:09
XethronSo it should be perfect :)12:09
phillwAlternate has the system on the CD and is a text based version of the Desktop system. mini-iso contains just the very basic ubuntu kernel stuff and reqiures to be connected by ethernet to get the lubuntu system.12:09
phillwIt does have the advantage in your case, of being able to install lubuntu-core which is the slimmest lubuntu we do!12:10
XethronHow big is the install roughly? Just curious as I have a set internet12:11
phillwabout same as a CD for desktop, it will be less for -core. (so about 500-600 MB)12:11
Hetmanhello i have little problem ;) when i clicking right mouse on my desktop i have openbox, how can i switch bax to that lxde thing ?12:12
Xethronthanks phillw, you have been a great help :)12:12
phillwHetman: I thought right click was supposed to open open-box? Let me go check :)12:13
Hetmanphillw: i turn it on, but before that i have that menu from lxde - where i can change wallpaper add folder to the desktop create activator12:13
phillwHetman: I've had to ask, as I don't have access to a lubuntu system at the moment & my memory isn't good enough!12:14
Hetmanno problem ;) no i look for command to get that desktop setting i want to change my wallpaper ;p in obconf there is no option for that12:16
phillwHetman: is this the issue? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/FAQ/Guides#Right-clicking_on_desktop_pulls_up_a_menu_that_is_missing_the_.22Desktop_Preferences.22_option_and_now_I_can.27t_change_my_wallpaper12:16
Hetmanyeah12:16
Hetmanthanks12:16
phillwyou're welcome :)12:17
Xethron_phillw, I cant seem to format unpartitioned space...12:36
Xethron_nvm12:37
Xethron_wait, no, that didn't work ether12:37
Xethron_it says its unusable...12:39
phillwXethron_: make sure the hard drive is not mounted12:39
Xethron_I have shrinked one partition (7.9GB to 6GB)12:39
Xethron_Now I have 1.9GB of unusable space12:40
Xethron_How do I format it to ext2?12:40
phillwXethron_: the format you want is ext4, but have you comitted the change of shrinking the partition to the hard disk yet?12:41
Xethron_no, it keeps saying I haven't selected a root filesystem yet12:43
Xethron_haha12:43
Xethron_wait, I believe it has been written to disk12:44
phillwhe he. allocate / to the unallocated area - choose ext4 and put an X in the box to format it, then select your /swap partition and mark it is to be used as swap. When you commit, it should do both options at the same time.12:46
Xethron_Ok, when I select the "unusable" space, and press enter, it says: "How to use this free space: [Show Cylinder/head/sector information]"12:48
Xethron_When I select that, it says "The free space starts from (808,116,57) and ends at 1035,254,63)12:49
Xethron_When I select continue, im back at the partitioner12:49
phillwXethron_: exit the partitioner and re-boot. Then go back into manually partition and try again is all I can think of off the top of my head. It was a long time ago I wrote up the instructions for mini-iso and I don't have a mini-iso with me (I'm away from home).12:51
Xethron_haha. np :)12:55
leszekhi15:10
phillwleszek: hi :)15:10
phillwXethron: how's it going?15:20
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Xethronphillw, I gave up due to Internet. I did find out however that my University has Kubuntu 11.10 DVD images on their server which I can download for free. Is it possible to install Lubuntu through the Kubuntu DVD in order to save downloads?18:25
XethronBecause, im just gessing here, but the main difference is kde vs lxde...18:26
XethronAnd I don't want any of the added apps besides a PDF viewer, and maybe a video/music player. And maybe a gui text editor. Other than that, all the other apps I use are CLI based, like vim and gcc and so forth.18:27
KM0201Xethron: you should be able to..  lxde is in the repos, but you'll have all that KDE bloat18:27
Xethron:/18:27
SentynelXethron: you can install lubuntu-desktop and remove the kde packages, sure, but you will need to download the lxde components when you do that18:28
XethronOk, yea, that I don't want18:28
XethronMy PC will crash under that18:28
Name141I'm having to go in to tty1 (ctrl + Alt + F1 ) to trigger my KVM switch's hotlink keys (scroll lock + scroll lock) and then when I switch back to the lubuntu machine, ctrl + alt + F7 to return to the GUI.  Anyway to just be able to use scroll lock + scroll lock in the way that windows OS' do to trigger the KVM switch ?18:28
XethronFine, ill just ask a friend to download for me18:29
SentynelXethron: the lubuntu packages are probably a lot smaller than the whole iso, and if you don't want any of the apps you could just install lubuntu-core, which'll be even smaller18:30
sovtwareor LXDE is similar to KDE when it comes to the menu?18:33
KM0201sovtware: other than it doesn't suck18:34
KM0201Xethron: where do you live if you don't mind me asking? (US?)18:34
sovtwareKM0201 I mean with KDE and stuck to me I like but I can not have it I have now XFCE menu but I do not like me too much in terms of speed and stability can download and view the faster will it be?18:37
XethronSouth Africa :)18:37
KM0201Xethron: ah ok.. well, i've mailed CD's to folks in the US on a few occasions, usually only cost a buck...18:38
KM0201if you were in the US, i was gonna mail you one18:38
Xethronwait wait wait... :D18:39
XethronMy university has lubuntu 11.10 and 12.04 :D18:39
Xethronman, they are up to date18:39
KM0201well hey, there you go. (i'm running 12.04 at the moment)18:39
XethronIll go download it for free this Monday18:39
Xethron12.04 is still in dev right?18:40
KM0201free is good18:40
XethronYea, we can download stuff from the UP server for free if we use one of their PC's18:40
sovtwareI install and see podobo is lighter than the other thing I do not like gnome18:41
sovtwareI walk around the plate appears later18:46
ubi_hi18:47
KM0201o/18:47
ubi_guys, what version of lubuntu should i install, there are many of them and that confuses me18:47
Name14111.10 probably.18:48
KM0201ubi_: 11.10 is the current stable version, i'd go w/ that18:48
ubi_11.10 will be supported until April 2013 says, what that means18:49
* KM0201 is running 12.0418:49
Name141You'll have to update then.18:49
KM0201ubi_: exactly what it means, it will be supported (with security updates, etc..) until april '1318:49
KM0201!lts18:49
ubottuLTS means Long Term Support. LTS versions of Ubuntu will be supported for 3 years on the desktop, and 5 years on the server. The current LTS version of Ubuntu is !Lucid (Lucid Lynx 10.04)18:49
ubi_so is it safe to install it now18:49
KM0201ubi_: yes, it is the current stable release18:49
ubi_i am getting that :)18:50
KM0201is lubuntu 12.04, gonna be LTS?18:50
KM0201ubi_: no, lubuntu 12.04 is still beta 1, very buggy, you're new, don't do that18:50
Name141Yes.18:50
ubi_im gonna get 11.1018:50
KM0201thats what you want to do.18:50
ubi_ty18:50
KM0201lubuntu 12.04, will be out in april, then you can upgrade to 12.04, then your desktop will be supported for 5yrs18:51
KM0201lol, well, guess he didn't care abou tthat18:51
ed3678654greetings, I am new to linux, installed lubuntu everything was ok, then changed something in desktop settings and now on the main screen when clicked right mouse button, the options like create new folder dissapeared instead I have  new options like emulate terminal obcong, reconfigure restart, etc. My question is how do I change it back the way it was?19:09
smile4evered3678654: you tried logging out and logging in back again? :)19:10
tr33m4ned3678654, think you may of accidentally changed a setting to do with showing the openbox menu instead of LXDE19:10
tr33m4nthe menu you are now seeing is the openbox menu (the window manager)19:11
ed3678654yes I have tried that, still its the same, I changed something in desktop settings (ticked one of the boxes) and now this happens19:11
smile4everhmm :s19:12
tr33m4nsurely you can go back into the settings from the menu and change the setting back?19:12
tr33m4nI remember there being a setting to show the openbox menu or not, however currently I am on Ubu not Lubu19:13
ed3678654how can I go into settings when that menu was accesible by clicking the right mouse button19:13
ed3678654?19:13
smile4evered3678654: i'll look for you :)19:13
tr33m4ned3678654, sorry I'm not familiar with your configuration... do you not have a menu button in the task bar on the bottom left?19:14
tr33m4nor try running obconf from the command line if you can get a prompt up19:15
ed3678654I have weird looking X button19:15
ed3678654I think thats menu19:15
tr33m4ntry it and see19:15
smile4evered3678654: Actually, I was able to fix it.  It seems that "openbox-lxde" was the standard startup in /etc/xdg/lxsession/LXDE/config.  I changed it to "openbox" and that seems to work.  I rather liked the LXDE mouse menu, as it had a few other features with it.  But the inability to change the menu was ultimately a problem.19:16
smile4everyou need to change it in the other way :)19:16
smile4everso not openbox but openbox-lxde :)19:16
smile4evertry running from terminal: sudo leafpad /etc/xdg/lxsession/LXDE/config19:17
smile4everand change the setting from openbox to openbox-lxde19:17
smile4everand than save :)19:17
ed3678654(config) opedned but the file is empty19:18
smile4everhmm.. wont work :|19:18
smile4everLubuntu has special folders: )19:18
smile4everwait a moment :) i will look into it even more19:18
smile4ever:p19:18
smile4eversudo leafpad /etc/xdg/lxsession/Lubuntu/desktop.conf19:19
smile4everand change the window-manager line to "window_manager=openbox-lubuntu"19:19
smile4everwithout those double quotes :)19:19
smile4eversave it and log out :)19:19
tr33m4nthink he just changed it in lxde login screen19:20
ed3678654but its already like that19:20
ed3678654"window_manager=openbox-lubuntu"19:20
smile4evered3678654: :|19:20
smile4evercrazy :|19:20
tr33m4ni think essentially it had defaulted somehow on the lxde login screen, but all is right now ed3678654 ?19:21
ed3678654no, when I click right button I still get obcong reconfigurte restart etc19:22
ed3678654ok i will try logging out19:23
wxlshoot this is in the faq19:24
smile4everwxl: you mean add it? :p19:24
wxlno the solution is there19:25
smile4everwxl: really :p19:25
tr33m4nwxl let me guess, obconf, change a tick box :p19:25
ed3456765ok so I still get that open box thng/dialog..19:29
wxltr33m4n: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/FAQ/Guides#Right-clicking_on_desktop_pulls_up_a_menu_that_is_missing_the_.22Desktop_Preferences.22_option_and_now_I_can.27t_change_my_wallpaper19:29
wxl^^^ ed345676519:29
smile4evered3456765: happy Lubuntu'ing :D19:29
phillwXethron: yes it is, and you can also then switch to pure lubuntu from any of the *buntu family. We are a family and do encourage people to try and decide which is best suited for thier needs.19:30
tr33m4nI knew it was something like that :) not running Lubu at the mo, couldn't provide exact support19:30
smile4evertr33m4n: i'm lubuntu but i didn't knew how to get it back after you disabled it :p19:31
smile4everi was looking for the window but you can't find it if you disable the option :p19:31
ed3456765Yessssss that fixed it, thanks alot guys19:31
wxltr33m4n: you need a vm19:31
wxlnp ed345676519:31
phillwXethron: the pure lxde is at http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purelxde but on the left hand side he says how to remove any previous flavour you have tried once you have decided and remove all the apps from the other system.19:32
tr33m4nwxl running test arch tomcat vm atm on an underpowered laptop, think 2 would kill it :p19:32
phillwXethron: those instructions do NOT remove data. If you then wish to re-install a program, all your stuff (profiles etc.) will still be there.19:33
phillwYou can trust psychocats, he is a main suppport forum staffer & is a guy I both know & thank for taking the time to write up a correct version of instructions.19:34
sovtwareLXDE downloading it may just be me good to walk :)19:38
sovtwareI have XFCE Unity Gnome I do not like Gnome ... KDE and I stuck to the windows do not come back! I have one good walk a graphical desktop19:42
phillwsovtware: see the link I posted for Xethron to get the list of everything to remove. I'm due in a meeting in 15 mins, but I'm sure one the guys will talk you taking everything else out & leave you with lubuntu19:46
phillwIf not, Ping and I'll let you know when meeting is finished19:46
Xethronhttp://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purelxde19:47
phillwsorry Xethron I meant to ping sovtware19:53
XethronI just forwarded him the link :)19:54
sovtware:-)19:54
sovtware3 GB RAM Graphics giforce AMD 8500 Duo and KDE 2.6 I stuck with Unity I prefer not to write :-) XFCE is great only because it is so Gnome;/ I still see Lubuntu20:02
sovtwareI use goggles translator: P so do not laugh in case of errors20:02
sovtwaremessed something xD20:03
CTtechguywhat is the default network manger?21:06
nothingspecialCTtechguy, network-manager21:09
CTtechguynothingspecial: thank you21:19
nothingspecialnp21:19
mattwj2002hi guys21:54
mattwj2002could I get some help with audio routing?21:54
mattwj2002how do you disable one sound card and route all the sound to a bluetooth headset like you can easily do in windows21:55
mattwj2002bluetooth is enable and all setup21:55
mattwj2002with blueman21:55
wxlmattwj2002: alt-f2, type `alsamixer`, hit enter21:58
mattwj2002is ssh okay?21:59
mattwj2002I am right next to it21:59
wxlsure21:59
mattwj2002okay I am there21:59
wxlthat's the lubuntu system audio controls21:59
wxlpretty basic but it does the trick21:59
wxland it's kind of self explanitory-- tells you what to do22:00
wxlwhat i'm not sure of, not using bluetooth, is if the bluetooth device comes across as an audio device to the system22:00
mattwj2002I don't see my bluetooth there though22:00
wxlcan't imagine it wouldn't but i'm not sure22:00
wxlmattwj2002: looks like you may have to do this by hand http://blueman-project.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=31822:02
wxlyeah here's better instructions https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BluetoothHeadset22:05
wxljust ignore the pulseaudio stuff22:05
mattwj2002okay22:08
mattwj2002hmm22:08
wxlthere is package bluez-alsa too22:08
mattwj2002what is that?22:09
wxlBluetooth ALSA support22:09
wxl;)22:09
wxli'd try the instructions above-- moding the asoundrc is pretty easy22:10
wxlto be frank i'm not sure of the right answer and i don't have a device to test it with22:11
wxlhopefully that gives you enough of a start tho to figure it out22:11
mattwj2002thanks22:14
sovtwaregoodnight all22:19
tr33m4nnight22:20

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