[01:02] <Name141> is Lubuntu now "offical"
[01:04] <wxl> Name141: has been
[01:04] <stlsaint> Name141: yes it is
[01:04] <wxl> Name141: in fact, we now have beta 1 of precise/12.04 which should be officially released within the next 60 days or so
[01:05] <wxl> Name141: (which you can download direct from canonical if you like)
[01:05] <Name141> wxl: Alrighty.  I assume my 4670 will do just fine in Lubuntu? I haven't check to see if it has 3D support and all ?
[01:09] <wxl> Name141: here's feedback from a 4670 user http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=11460635&postcount=19
[01:10] <wxl> Name141: 3d support means different things to different people but regardless of what it is, even if it's not out of the box, it's a canonical variant, so you can install anything from the repos, e.g. compiz
[01:11] <Name141> wxl: I just want to replace XP with something that sure the ..er.. sure aint Unity.
[01:12] <Name141> everything but mIRC is native to linux I use anyway.
[01:20] <wxl> Name141: well yeah anything will work :D
[01:21] <valdur55> http://youtu.be/VC7wXPcqjhM funny bug :)
[01:21] <Name141> was VLC updated to 2.0 yet? I wonder ?
[01:21] <wxl> Name141: the nice thing about lubuntu is minimal resource usage. admittedly it can be a bit spartan for some folks. but i think if you want to do something like 3d e.g. (i do a lot of audio) then it keeps the os/gui from hogging all your resources
[01:22] <wxl> Name141: i'd say grab a live cd and have at it
[01:22] <valdur55> damn xubuntu :(
[01:23] <Name141> yeah, I might as well install it.
[01:23] <wxl> sure, you can try it first tho
[01:24] <wxl> oh man i just found out l2ork uses ubuntu. i'm going to coerce them to use lubuntu http://l2ork.music.vt.edu/main/?page_id=56
[01:25] <wxl> all this darn compiling. someone needs to teach them how to make a ppa ;)
[01:25] <wxl> sorry, off-topic but interesting
[01:29] <wxl> off to home. holler at us if you need help Name141
[02:45] <kanliot> someone messed with the default terminal colors in precise.  is this a bug?
[03:18] <deitarion> Does anyone know which icon the update manager wants to use for "some repos couldn't be updated from" which is missing from the default Lubuntu icon theme?
[03:22] <deitarion> (The repo which provides my preferred Timidity patch set is unreliable and I'm not overly fond of having an eye-grabbing red "no" sign in my otherwise monochrome tray)
[03:54] <Name141> wxl: I can't download large files till 1 AM anyway lol, so no need to holler about nothing till atleast like.. 3 AM lol
[04:02] <Name141> anyway, I'm assuming it'll probably run fine with a E2160 + 4670 ?
[04:02] <Name141> and 2GB RAM (DDR2.. forgot what speed)
[04:27] <wxl> Name141: yeah you should be more than fine
[05:27] <Name141> wxl: I just wish I could find something else than hughesnet out in the country ;p
[05:51] <wxl> Name141: sattelite ;)
[06:17] <Name141> wxl: that's what it is
[07:11]  * wxl yawns
[07:14] <mysteriousdarren> Wild Blue?
[10:29] <James_KL> hello , installing lubuntu , gives that error x86_64 : http://bitsy.me/img4dy - WTF?
[10:52] <Xethron> What is lubuntu's minimum system requirements?
[11:02] <UnknownArtists> hi am using a fresh installation of lubuntu on my external hdd on my notebook
[11:03] <UnknownArtists> now i plugged in a second (external) monitor
[11:03] <UnknownArtists> but all the setup-tools for my monitors doesn't mention the monitor
[11:03] <UnknownArtists> except of the nvidia tool it shows the monitor but only under the GPU0-settings
[11:04] <UnknownArtists> the Xserver disply configuration only sais: unabble to load x display configuration page. failed to query noscanout for screen 0
[11:05] <UnknownArtists> what can i do to activate my external monitor
[11:05] <UnknownArtists> ?
[11:14] <phillw> Xethron: take a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu#System_Requirements
[11:25] <UnknownArtists> ok found it out by myself
[11:25] <UnknownArtists> had to use another nvidia driver
[11:58] <phillw> UnknownArtists: thnks for checking back :)
[12:00] <Xethron_> phillw, thanks :)
[12:01] <Xethron> phillw, how smooth would lubuntu run on a 700 MHz PIII IBM Laptop with 128MB of RAM?
[12:03] <phillw> Xethron: it will not be the fastest system in the world, but a PIII should be faster than a PII which is as about as low as we go.
[12:04] <phillw> I'd suggest 512MB of Swap on a 128MB system. Also, you will have to use the alternate CD as you do not have enough RAM to use the Desktop install.
[12:05] <Xethron> I currently have a CLI of Arch Linux installed, using vim and gcc for programming. I have developed the need to view PDF's, however FrameBuffer is too slow, and takes me forever to find the right page in a 800 page document...
[12:05] <Xethron> So I am looking to install something with a x for the sole reason to view PDF's and maybe video's
[12:06] <phillw> Xethron: if you have the hard disk space, you can dual boot to fully test.
[12:06] <Xethron> I have downloaded the minimul install...
[12:07] <Xethron> But ill try the duel boot thing perhaps
[12:07] <phillw> hmm, okay - you could have used the Alternate 11.10, but mini install will be okay.
[12:08] <Xethron> ah :/
[12:08] <Xethron> Whats the difference?
[12:08] <phillw> if you do go for manual partitioning, you tell lubuntu to use your existing /swap partition to save disk space.
[12:09] <Xethron> I will
[12:09] <Xethron> I set it up to 512mb...
[12:09] <Xethron> So it should be perfect :)
[12:09] <phillw> Alternate has the system on the CD and is a text based version of the Desktop system. mini-iso contains just the very basic ubuntu kernel stuff and reqiures to be connected by ethernet to get the lubuntu system.
[12:10] <phillw> It does have the advantage in your case, of being able to install lubuntu-core which is the slimmest lubuntu we do!
[12:11] <Xethron> How big is the install roughly? Just curious as I have a set internet
[12:11] <phillw> about same as a CD for desktop, it will be less for -core. (so about 500-600 MB)
[12:12] <Hetman> hello i have little problem ;) when i clicking right mouse on my desktop i have openbox, how can i switch bax to that lxde thing ?
[12:12] <Xethron> thanks phillw, you have been a great help :)
[12:13] <phillw> Hetman: I thought right click was supposed to open open-box? Let me go check :)
[12:13] <Hetman> phillw: i turn it on, but before that i have that menu from lxde - where i can change wallpaper add folder to the desktop create activator
[12:14] <phillw> Hetman: I've had to ask, as I don't have access to a lubuntu system at the moment & my memory isn't good enough!
[12:16] <Hetman> no problem ;) no i look for command to get that desktop setting i want to change my wallpaper ;p in obconf there is no option for that
[12:16] <phillw> Hetman: is this the issue? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/FAQ/Guides#Right-clicking_on_desktop_pulls_up_a_menu_that_is_missing_the_.22Desktop_Preferences.22_option_and_now_I_can.27t_change_my_wallpaper
[12:16] <Hetman> yeah
[12:16] <Hetman> thanks
[12:17] <phillw> you're welcome :)
[12:36] <Xethron_> phillw, I cant seem to format unpartitioned space...
[12:37] <Xethron_> nvm
[12:37] <Xethron_> wait, no, that didn't work ether
[12:39] <Xethron_> it says its unusable...
[12:39] <phillw> Xethron_: make sure the hard drive is not mounted
[12:39] <Xethron_> I have shrinked one partition (7.9GB to 6GB)
[12:40] <Xethron_> Now I have 1.9GB of unusable space
[12:40] <Xethron_> How do I format it to ext2?
[12:41] <phillw> Xethron_: the format you want is ext4, but have you comitted the change of shrinking the partition to the hard disk yet?
[12:43] <Xethron_> no, it keeps saying I haven't selected a root filesystem yet
[12:43] <Xethron_> haha
[12:44] <Xethron_> wait, I believe it has been written to disk
[12:46] <phillw> he he. allocate / to the unallocated area - choose ext4 and put an X in the box to format it, then select your /swap partition and mark it is to be used as swap. When you commit, it should do both options at the same time.
[12:48] <Xethron_> Ok, when I select the "unusable" space, and press enter, it says: "How to use this free space: [Show Cylinder/head/sector information]"
[12:49] <Xethron_> When I select that, it says "The free space starts from (808,116,57) and ends at 1035,254,63)
[12:49] <Xethron_> When I select continue, im back at the partitioner
[12:51] <phillw> Xethron_: exit the partitioner and re-boot. Then go back into manually partition and try again is all I can think of off the top of my head. It was a long time ago I wrote up the instructions for mini-iso and I don't have a mini-iso with me (I'm away from home).
[12:55] <Xethron_> haha. np :)
[15:10] <leszek> hi
[15:10] <phillw> leszek: hi :)
[15:20] <phillw> Xethron: how's it going?
[18:25] <Xethron> phillw, I gave up due to Internet. I did find out however that my University has Kubuntu 11.10 DVD images on their server which I can download for free. Is it possible to install Lubuntu through the Kubuntu DVD in order to save downloads?
[18:26] <Xethron> Because, im just gessing here, but the main difference is kde vs lxde...
[18:27] <Xethron> And I don't want any of the added apps besides a PDF viewer, and maybe a video/music player. And maybe a gui text editor. Other than that, all the other apps I use are CLI based, like vim and gcc and so forth.
[18:27] <KM0201> Xethron: you should be able to..  lxde is in the repos, but you'll have all that KDE bloat
[18:27] <Xethron> :/
[18:28] <Sentynel> Xethron: you can install lubuntu-desktop and remove the kde packages, sure, but you will need to download the lxde components when you do that
[18:28] <Xethron> Ok, yea, that I don't want
[18:28] <Xethron> My PC will crash under that
[18:28] <Name141> I'm having to go in to tty1 (ctrl + Alt + F1 ) to trigger my KVM switch's hotlink keys (scroll lock + scroll lock) and then when I switch back to the lubuntu machine, ctrl + alt + F7 to return to the GUI.  Anyway to just be able to use scroll lock + scroll lock in the way that windows OS' do to trigger the KVM switch ?
[18:29] <Xethron> Fine, ill just ask a friend to download for me
[18:30] <Sentynel> Xethron: the lubuntu packages are probably a lot smaller than the whole iso, and if you don't want any of the apps you could just install lubuntu-core, which'll be even smaller
[18:33] <sovtware> or LXDE is similar to KDE when it comes to the menu?
[18:34] <KM0201> sovtware: other than it doesn't suck
[18:34] <KM0201> Xethron: where do you live if you don't mind me asking? (US?)
[18:37] <sovtware> KM0201 I mean with KDE and stuck to me I like but I can not have it I have now XFCE menu but I do not like me too much in terms of speed and stability can download and view the faster will it be?
[18:37] <Xethron> South Africa :)
[18:38] <KM0201> Xethron: ah ok.. well, i've mailed CD's to folks in the US on a few occasions, usually only cost a buck...
[18:38] <KM0201> if you were in the US, i was gonna mail you one
[18:39] <Xethron> wait wait wait... :D
[18:39] <Xethron> My university has lubuntu 11.10 and 12.04 :D
[18:39] <Xethron> man, they are up to date
[18:39] <KM0201> well hey, there you go. (i'm running 12.04 at the moment)
[18:39] <Xethron> Ill go download it for free this Monday
[18:40] <Xethron> 12.04 is still in dev right?
[18:40] <KM0201> free is good
[18:40] <Xethron> Yea, we can download stuff from the UP server for free if we use one of their PC's
[18:41] <sovtware> I install and see podobo is lighter than the other thing I do not like gnome
[18:46] <sovtware> I walk around the plate appears later
[18:47] <ubi_> hi
[18:47] <KM0201> o/
[18:47] <ubi_> guys, what version of lubuntu should i install, there are many of them and that confuses me
[18:48] <Name141> 11.10 probably.
[18:48] <KM0201> ubi_: 11.10 is the current stable version, i'd go w/ that
[18:49] <ubi_> 11.10 will be supported until April 2013 says, what that means
[18:49]  * KM0201 is running 12.04
[18:49] <Name141> You'll have to update then.
[18:49] <KM0201> ubi_: exactly what it means, it will be supported (with security updates, etc..) until april '13
[18:49] <KM0201> !lts
[18:49] <ubi_> so is it safe to install it now
[18:49] <KM0201> ubi_: yes, it is the current stable release
[18:50] <ubi_> i am getting that :)
[18:50] <KM0201> is lubuntu 12.04, gonna be LTS?
[18:50] <KM0201> ubi_: no, lubuntu 12.04 is still beta 1, very buggy, you're new, don't do that
[18:50] <Name141> Yes.
[18:50] <ubi_> im gonna get 11.10
[18:50] <KM0201> thats what you want to do.
[18:50] <ubi_> ty
[18:51] <KM0201> lubuntu 12.04, will be out in april, then you can upgrade to 12.04, then your desktop will be supported for 5yrs
[18:51] <KM0201> lol, well, guess he didn't care abou tthat
[19:09] <ed3678654> greetings, I am new to linux, installed lubuntu everything was ok, then changed something in desktop settings and now on the main screen when clicked right mouse button, the options like create new folder dissapeared instead I have  new options like emulate terminal obcong, reconfigure restart, etc. My question is how do I change it back the way it was?
[19:10] <smile4ever> ed3678654: you tried logging out and logging in back again? :)
[19:10] <tr33m4n> ed3678654, think you may of accidentally changed a setting to do with showing the openbox menu instead of LXDE
[19:11] <tr33m4n> the menu you are now seeing is the openbox menu (the window manager)
[19:11] <ed3678654> yes I have tried that, still its the same, I changed something in desktop settings (ticked one of the boxes) and now this happens
[19:12] <smile4ever> hmm :s
[19:12] <tr33m4n> surely you can go back into the settings from the menu and change the setting back?
[19:13] <tr33m4n> I remember there being a setting to show the openbox menu or not, however currently I am on Ubu not Lubu
[19:13] <ed3678654> how can I go into settings when that menu was accesible by clicking the right mouse button
[19:13] <ed3678654> ?
[19:13] <smile4ever> ed3678654: i'll look for you :)
[19:14] <tr33m4n> ed3678654, sorry I'm not familiar with your configuration... do you not have a menu button in the task bar on the bottom left?
[19:15] <tr33m4n> or try running obconf from the command line if you can get a prompt up
[19:15] <ed3678654> I have weird looking X button
[19:15] <ed3678654> I think thats menu
[19:15] <tr33m4n> try it and see
[19:16] <smile4ever> ed3678654: Actually, I was able to fix it.  It seems that "openbox-lxde" was the standard startup in /etc/xdg/lxsession/LXDE/config.  I changed it to "openbox" and that seems to work.  I rather liked the LXDE mouse menu, as it had a few other features with it.  But the inability to change the menu was ultimately a problem.
[19:16] <smile4ever> you need to change it in the other way :)
[19:16] <smile4ever> so not openbox but openbox-lxde :)
[19:17] <smile4ever> try running from terminal: sudo leafpad /etc/xdg/lxsession/LXDE/config
[19:17] <smile4ever> and change the setting from openbox to openbox-lxde
[19:17] <smile4ever> and than save :)
[19:18] <ed3678654> (config) opedned but the file is empty
[19:18] <smile4ever> hmm.. wont work :|
[19:18] <smile4ever> Lubuntu has special folders: )
[19:18] <smile4ever> wait a moment :) i will look into it even more
[19:18] <smile4ever> :p
[19:19] <smile4ever> sudo leafpad /etc/xdg/lxsession/Lubuntu/desktop.conf
[19:19] <smile4ever> and change the window-manager line to "window_manager=openbox-lubuntu"
[19:19] <smile4ever> without those double quotes :)
[19:19] <smile4ever> save it and log out :)
[19:20] <tr33m4n> think he just changed it in lxde login screen
[19:20] <ed3678654> but its already like that
[19:20] <ed3678654> "window_manager=openbox-lubuntu"
[19:20] <smile4ever> ed3678654: :|
[19:20] <smile4ever> crazy :|
[19:21] <tr33m4n> i think essentially it had defaulted somehow on the lxde login screen, but all is right now ed3678654 ?
[19:22] <ed3678654> no, when I click right button I still get obcong reconfigurte restart etc
[19:23] <ed3678654> ok i will try logging out
[19:24] <wxl> shoot this is in the faq
[19:24] <smile4ever> wxl: you mean add it? :p
[19:25] <wxl> no the solution is there
[19:25] <smile4ever> wxl: really :p
[19:25] <tr33m4n> wxl let me guess, obconf, change a tick box :p
[19:29] <ed3456765> ok so I still get that open box thng/dialog..
[19:29] <wxl> tr33m4n: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/FAQ/Guides#Right-clicking_on_desktop_pulls_up_a_menu_that_is_missing_the_.22Desktop_Preferences.22_option_and_now_I_can.27t_change_my_wallpaper
[19:29] <wxl> ^^^ ed3456765
[19:29] <smile4ever> ed3456765: happy Lubuntu'ing :D
[19:30] <phillw> Xethron: yes it is, and you can also then switch to pure lubuntu from any of the *buntu family. We are a family and do encourage people to try and decide which is best suited for thier needs.
[19:30] <tr33m4n> I knew it was something like that :) not running Lubu at the mo, couldn't provide exact support
[19:31] <smile4ever> tr33m4n: i'm lubuntu but i didn't knew how to get it back after you disabled it :p
[19:31] <smile4ever> i was looking for the window but you can't find it if you disable the option :p
[19:31] <ed3456765> Yessssss that fixed it, thanks alot guys
[19:31] <wxl> tr33m4n: you need a vm
[19:31] <wxl> np ed3456765
[19:32] <phillw> Xethron: the pure lxde is at http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purelxde but on the left hand side he says how to remove any previous flavour you have tried once you have decided and remove all the apps from the other system.
[19:32] <tr33m4n> wxl running test arch tomcat vm atm on an underpowered laptop, think 2 would kill it :p
[19:33] <phillw> Xethron: those instructions do NOT remove data. If you then wish to re-install a program, all your stuff (profiles etc.) will still be there.
[19:34] <phillw> You can trust psychocats, he is a main suppport forum staffer & is a guy I both know & thank for taking the time to write up a correct version of instructions.
[19:38] <sovtware> LXDE downloading it may just be me good to walk :)
[19:42] <sovtware> I have XFCE Unity Gnome I do not like Gnome ... KDE and I stuck to the windows do not come back! I have one good walk a graphical desktop
[19:46] <phillw> sovtware: see the link I posted for Xethron to get the list of everything to remove. I'm due in a meeting in 15 mins, but I'm sure one the guys will talk you taking everything else out & leave you with lubuntu
[19:46] <phillw> If not, Ping and I'll let you know when meeting is finished
[19:47] <Xethron> http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purelxde
[19:53] <phillw> sorry Xethron I meant to ping sovtware
[19:54] <Xethron> I just forwarded him the link :)
[19:54] <sovtware> :-)
[20:02] <sovtware> 3 GB RAM Graphics giforce AMD 8500 Duo and KDE 2.6 I stuck with Unity I prefer not to write :-) XFCE is great only because it is so Gnome;/ I still see Lubuntu
[20:02] <sovtware> I use goggles translator: P so do not laugh in case of errors
[20:03] <sovtware> messed something xD
[21:06] <CTtechguy> what is the default network manger?
[21:09] <nothingspecial> CTtechguy, network-manager
[21:19] <CTtechguy> nothingspecial: thank you
[21:19] <nothingspecial> np
[21:54] <mattwj2002> hi guys
[21:54] <mattwj2002> could I get some help with audio routing?
[21:55] <mattwj2002> how do you disable one sound card and route all the sound to a bluetooth headset like you can easily do in windows
[21:55] <mattwj2002> bluetooth is enable and all setup
[21:55] <mattwj2002> with blueman
[21:58] <wxl> mattwj2002: alt-f2, type `alsamixer`, hit enter
[21:59] <mattwj2002> is ssh okay?
[21:59] <mattwj2002> I am right next to it
[21:59] <wxl> sure
[21:59] <mattwj2002> okay I am there
[21:59] <wxl> that's the lubuntu system audio controls
[21:59] <wxl> pretty basic but it does the trick
[22:00] <wxl> and it's kind of self explanitory-- tells you what to do
[22:00] <wxl> what i'm not sure of, not using bluetooth, is if the bluetooth device comes across as an audio device to the system
[22:00] <mattwj2002> I don't see my bluetooth there though
[22:00] <wxl> can't imagine it wouldn't but i'm not sure
[22:02] <wxl> mattwj2002: looks like you may have to do this by hand http://blueman-project.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=318
[22:05] <wxl> yeah here's better instructions https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BluetoothHeadset
[22:05] <wxl> just ignore the pulseaudio stuff
[22:08] <mattwj2002> okay
[22:08] <mattwj2002> hmm
[22:08] <wxl> there is package bluez-alsa too
[22:09] <mattwj2002> what is that?
[22:09] <wxl> Bluetooth ALSA support
[22:09] <wxl> ;)
[22:10] <wxl> i'd try the instructions above-- moding the asoundrc is pretty easy
[22:11] <wxl> to be frank i'm not sure of the right answer and i don't have a device to test it with
[22:11] <wxl> hopefully that gives you enough of a start tho to figure it out
[22:14] <mattwj2002> thanks
[22:19] <sovtware> goodnight all
[22:20] <tr33m4n> night