[14:37] <Pendulum> AlanBell: ping
[14:43] <AlanBell> Pendulum: o/
[14:44] <Pendulum> I'm looking at personas now
[14:44] <Pendulum> one thing I was thinking about last night is that usually Personas don't actually mention the software they're for at all
[14:44] <Pendulum> they're about the computer needs and the person, not the software
[14:45] <Pendulum> (I suspect this is so they can be used universally)
[14:45] <Pendulum> would you object if I pulled out some of the specifics and put it down as a sepeare section below?
[14:45] <AlanBell> sure
[14:46] <AlanBell> as in that is fine, I won't object :)
[14:46] <Pendulum> so saying things like "he uses a screen reader" rather than "he uses Orca" and then at the bottom put a section about Ubuntu specifics (so the software he uses, etc.)
[14:46] <AlanBell> oh I see, yes that is fine
[14:47] <Pendulum> I'm working on Simon now
[14:48] <AlanBell> http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/simon
[14:49] <Pendulum> yeah, I know :)
[14:49] <AlanBell> for the benefit of others :)
[14:49] <Pendulum> I'm just thinking about how to make these more universal so they can be used together and separately as needed
[14:49] <Pendulum> I know the Gnome folks would like to be able to add them to their resources for personas, for example
[14:52] <Pendulum> did we ever discuss what we're using for license? Should we just stay with what the wiki is?
[14:53] <Pendulum> it's CC BY-SA which makes sense to me
[14:59] <AlanBell> yes a CC license makes the most sense I think
[15:05]  * Pendulum has just tweeted
[15:10] <Pendulum> I'm not quite sure I have correct wording for the part of "How to be Simon" I just edited, does someone else want to look at it?
[15:13] <AlanBell> it looks OK to me
[15:13] <Pendulum> okay
[15:13] <AlanBell> I have to go do some stuff, I will be doing more on this later on
[15:13] <Pendulum> I'm doing the Why A Challenge section and then I feel like it just needs to be proofread and it'll be good to go
[15:13] <Pendulum> so I'll move on to John when I finish Simon
[16:18] <AlanBell> hi, I am back
[16:18] <AlanBell> car is washed now
[16:19] <Pendulum> always good
[16:19] <Pendulum> I'm kinda stuck at doing any more with Simon so if you want to look it over, that one might be done :)
[16:20] <AlanBell> ok
[16:21] <AlanBell> lets put that one in a blog article and get pictures and layout right now
[16:22] <Pendulum> do you want to proofread it first?
[16:23] <Pendulum> (I know that if I try to, it won't go well)
[16:23] <AlanBell> yeah, reading through it now
[16:26] <AlanBell> looks good, Experience goals is empty, not quite sure what should go in there
[16:27] <Pendulum> just put something in
[16:28] <Pendulum> behaviours is also empty
[16:28] <Pendulum> (just noticed)
[16:32] <Pendulum> just stuck something in there too
[16:32] <Pendulum> hi brunogirin 
[16:33] <brunogirin> hi Pendulum! I just dropped by to see if I could help with the persona writing
[16:33] <Pendulum> great!
[16:34] <Pendulum> we're finishing up Simon (as you can see). He's partially sighted (in the process of becoming fully blind). Feel free to jump in and make changes if you see things that need to be fixed :)
[16:36] <Pendulum> AlanBell: the accessing the menu bar in beta1 is still broken, right?
[16:36] <AlanBell> it is
[16:36] <AlanBell> well you can access it, but it is silent
[16:36] <Pendulum> (someone posted to the list so I wanted to be able to say, yes, that's a known issue)
[16:37] <AlanBell> it only reads out the shortcuts
[16:38] <Pendulum> jvesouza: Hi, I was just replying to your e-mail. The short answer is, yes, it's broken and that's a known issue.
[16:39] <Pendulum> f10 is actually accessing the menu bar, but it's not reading it out. It's only reading out the shortcuts
[16:40] <Pendulum> (information provided by AlanBell)
[16:40] <jvesouza> Pendulum: OK, thanks!
[16:41] <jvesouza> Pendulum:  At least I am not doing something wrong!
[16:41] <Pendulum> I think we're trying to get it fixed for Beta2, but I'm not sure.
[16:42] <Pendulum> (I don't code and while I remember having a conversation with Luke about it, I don't have memory of what was said for timing)
[16:44] <brunogirin> Pendulum: the Simon persona looks good to me, just corrected a minor typo :-)
[16:44] <Pendulum> oh, good. I can't proofread my own work and I can't proofread things I've read too many times (like the persona)
[16:44] <AlanBell> jvesouza: one thing that has just been done is the code to stop everything being a checkbox menu item
[16:49] <Pendulum> I just learned that Australia has it's own sign language, interesting.
[16:50] <brunogirin> all the personas so far have a condition that is either congenital or that gradually deteriorate
[16:51] <brunogirin> are there any plans to have a persona that has had a sudden change, like Jakie in diveintoaccessibility: http://diveintoaccessibility.info/day_1_jackie.html ?
[16:52] <AlanBell> we were kind of going for a minimum number of personas required to cover all the areas we wanted
[16:52] <jvesouza> Pendulum: AlanBell I will teach linux to some people in Brasil and I'd like to use ubuntu 12.04 because its accessibility.
[16:53] <AlanBell> excellent jvesouza 
[16:53] <brunogirin> AlanBell: makes sense, I'm just wondering if there are specific challenges there that are not covered by the others
[16:53] <Pendulum> brunogirin: I was thinking of making Heniretta, our persona cognative impairments as someone who had traumatic brain injury (TBI)
[16:53] <Pendulum> *Henrietta
[16:55] <jvesouza> AlanBell:  All blind, including myself.
[17:20] <Pendulum> I'm giving myself a crash-course in technical universities and deaf schools in Australia
[17:27]  * Pendulum goes for a lunch break
[18:34] <Pendulum> but I'm back
[19:03] <AlanBell> hi Pendulum