head_victim | ikt: cheers for the cleanup | 02:47 |
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sagaci | damnit, royally screwed up the time for the jam on l.u.c | 02:51 |
sagaci | it's UTC, not GMT+10 | 02:51 |
sagaci | head_victim, maybe when you changed the default time, it changed the event time :/ | 02:52 |
sagaci | didn't think about that | 02:52 |
head_victim | sagaci: I was woken up by reminders on my phone last night | 02:53 |
head_victim | :/ | 02:53 |
sagaci | yeah, I think that's what's happened | 02:53 |
sagaci | it's come off the ubuntu-au default timezone which was set to GMT | 02:53 |
head_victim | Yeah but I don't know how you did it because everything I ever set up was wrong despite the default | 02:54 |
head_victim | The only way I got it right was change the venue to +10 as well | 02:54 |
head_victim | But now that appears to ahve screwed up the ones you'd organised. | 02:54 |
benonsoftware | So what time will the translation jam start at? 3am GMT? | 02:55 |
head_victim | benonsoftware: I believe so | 02:57 |
benonsoftware | Ok, cool | 02:57 |
sagaci | yeah so 4pm NSW time, as I had on the wiki | 04:10 |
jaddi27 | sagaci: what is at 4pm? | 04:11 |
jaddi27 | isn't translations happening now? (I missed the start though) | 04:11 |
head_victim | jaddi27: just when we'd thought we'd fixed loco.u.c apparently I'd stuffed it :/ | 04:12 |
jaddi27 | the times are wrong I know | 04:12 |
jaddi27 | but I didn't see when it started | 04:12 |
head_victim | I've given up on getting the ical to do what it's meant to do I think. | 04:12 |
head_victim | Open to suggestion but I had tried everything I could think of to make it work and it hasn't. | 04:13 |
jaddi27 | Yes, I think that is about right. | 04:13 |
head_victim | I don't know why though. No one else seems to be having problems so I had just thought that perhaps it was just me stuffing it up. | 04:13 |
jaddi27 | I might try to read the code again and work it out | 04:13 |
head_victim | None of the other locos seem to mention it | 04:13 |
jaddi27 | Do the other locos use the ical much? | 04:14 |
sagaci | the translation jam | 04:14 |
sagaci | and the materials at 9pm | 04:14 |
sagaci | NSW time | 04:14 |
jaddi27 | Oh, I thought the translations jam was from 2-5 NSW time | 04:14 |
sagaci | nah, I had it on 3-5am UTC on the wiki and copied that to the l.u.c entry | 04:16 |
sagaci | but head_victim changed the #ubuntu-au channel time default to gmt+10 but I forgot to adjust it | 04:16 |
sagaci | forgot/didn't realise | 04:17 |
jaddi27 | ok | 04:17 |
head_victim | Yeah but still that doesn't seem to make sense on the ical stuff I get. | 04:17 |
sagaci | what do you mean? | 04:18 |
jaddi27 | I have the wrong times on the Facebook events as well then | 04:18 |
head_victim | I was woken at 11pm and 4am with 1 hour reminders | 04:18 |
head_victim | So even if oyu add +10 to that it's still wrong. | 04:18 |
jaddi27 | Yes. What if you do -10 to the times | 04:19 |
head_victim | Ubuntu-AU en_AU Translation Jam | 04:20 |
head_victim | Sat, 3 March, 23:00 – Sun, 4 March, 01:00 | 04:20 |
head_victim | THat's what my google ical feed says :/ | 04:20 |
sagaci | heh | 04:20 |
sagaci | weird | 04:20 |
head_victim | So + or - 10 is still wrong | 04:21 |
jaddi27 | yes, it is quite odd | 04:21 |
sagaci | translation jam is in around 40 mins | 04:21 |
sagaci | just to clear the air | 04:21 |
benonsoftware | Ok | 04:22 |
head_victim | So yeah I thought it was at 1pm utc+10 | 04:22 |
* head_victim failes | 04:22 | |
jaddi27 | Ok. I will be out at the start of it, but will be back later | 04:22 |
head_victim | failed* | 04:22 |
head_victim | Yeah I will be back mid session I'd say | 04:23 |
head_victim | sagaci: I assume you were just going to work throuhg some universe packages? | 04:23 |
benonsoftware | I should be here all session | 04:23 |
* jaddi27 will be back in a while | 04:27 | |
sagaci | head_victim, I was going to go through fixing some of the mistakes and a few universe packages, yeah | 04:28 |
head_victim | sagaci: good stuff. I like jaddi27 will be back about half way through I'd say | 04:29 |
head_victim | sorry, I thought I was going to make this one until I stuffed up all the times | 04:29 |
sagaci | disregarding ical, I think these things should be in local time | 04:29 |
head_victim | The problem is for the irc channel, what is local time? We go across up to 5 tz's in summer | 04:30 |
sagaci | I'll be back for the jam | 04:31 |
benonsoftware | Jam Time? :D | 05:04 |
sagaci | ok, translation jam... | 05:07 |
sagaci | #startmeeting translation jam | 05:07 |
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sagaci | #link http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-au/1463/detail/ | 05:10 |
sagaci | you can participate by fixing the strings already in launchpad by searching strings... http://people.ubuntu.com/~jpickett/translations/en_AU-20120302.tar.gz or you can translate packages from universe that are listed here -- https://translations.launchpad.net/translations/+products-with-translations | 05:12 |
sagaci | note that these packages aren't all from universe in ubuntu but if you trawl through the lists and see a project you like or is in ubuntu universe, it would be nice to translate them too | 05:13 |
sagaci | a word substitution table can be found here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EnglishTranslation/WordSubstitution | 05:14 |
benonsoftware | sagaci: I have a question, .po files what where do I enter the translations? | 05:19 |
sagaci | are you adding new translations or fixing them | 05:20 |
benonsoftware | sagaci: Well its not Ubuntu related but it would be new translations | 05:20 |
sagaci | usually .po files have a msgid and a msgstr | 05:22 |
sagaci | you put your translation into the msgstr field | 05:22 |
benonsoftware | Ok, thanks | 05:22 |
sagaci | but if it's a project translatable on launchpad, I'd be inclined to just use the web interface | 05:23 |
benonsoftware | Yes, I always do that | 05:23 |
sagaci | first package and it has a bug -- https://translations.launchpad.net/drapes/trunk/+pots/drapes/en_AU/4/+translate | 05:29 |
sagaci | should have had a bug jam after this | 05:34 |
head_victim | sagaci: so with the file on your people.u.c site, if I extract it what you're proposing is something like "grep /path/to/extracted/files *common misspelling*" | 06:16 |
head_victim | And then do you head back to launchpad to update the string? | 06:17 |
jaddi27 | sagaci: I am here now | 06:17 |
jaddi27 | switching to ubuntu - back soon | 06:19 |
sagaci | head_victim, cd ~/pathtopo/*; grep -i "centre" ./* > centre | 06:23 |
sagaci | head_victim, then grep -i "msgstr" centre >> result | 06:23 |
sagaci | less result | 06:23 |
sagaci | obviously search for center | 06:24 |
head_victim | Ok, I did a search for trash even and found a fair few results | 06:24 |
sagaci | seaching for alog will get dialog, analog, etc | 06:24 |
sagaci | wastebin/basket | 06:24 |
sagaci | just look down the word substitution list and pick out common strings | 06:24 |
sagaci | brb | 06:24 |
head_victim | Ok thats because they're all showing up in the msgid | 06:24 |
jaddi27 | sagaci, What would you like me to look at (when you are ready) | 06:25 |
head_victim | Starting to make sense :) | 06:25 |
head_victim | jaddi27: http://paste.ubuntu.com/866256/ | 06:25 |
head_victim | Give you an idea of the plan of attack | 06:26 |
jaddi27 | Ok. Are certain people doing certain strings via grep? | 06:27 |
head_victim | Not that I'm aware of, feel free to suggest them as you do them | 06:27 |
jaddi27 | Ok | 06:27 |
sagaci | head_victim, yeah then you do that list and search for msgstr | 06:32 |
sagaci | I've done a few a while back but it would be wise to start a table/list | 06:32 |
sagaci | if you're working on a big screen it's also a good idea to open batch=300's of the templates so you can easily find/fix them in lp | 06:33 |
head_victim | Ok, I coupled 2 greps together to give me a reasonable output "grep 'string' /path/to/extracted/dir/* | grep 'msgstr'" | 06:39 |
head_victim | Is it worth adding a column to the wordsub table for "date checked" and "who by" ? | 06:41 |
head_victim | Instead of creating a whole other list of checked ones? | 06:41 |
jaddi27 | head_victim, I think that could be useful | 06:52 |
jaddi27 | where is that table again? | 06:52 |
head_victim | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EnglishTranslation/WordSubstitution | 06:55 |
head_victim | Didn't we set up an enau one though? | 06:55 |
jaddi27 | Yes, we did somewhere. I will have a look for it | 06:55 |
head_victim | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/Projects/Translation/WordSubstitution | 06:56 |
jaddi27 | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/Projects/Translation/TranslationChecklist | 06:56 |
sagaci | obviously strings like ize will get false positives like size but it's not too big of a deal | 06:58 |
sagaci | I've done strings like colour, dialog and honour | 06:58 |
head_victim | I've done a fair few now and not finding any in the files, awesome stuff :) | 07:28 |
benonsoftware | So with the confusion what time is the Materials Jam on? | 07:45 |
sagaci | 9pm nsw | 07:46 |
benonsoftware | Well I might have to skip it, however I will certainly read the logs | 07:46 |
sagaci | ok then I'll be working towards making a release poster for the sydney event | 07:47 |
benonsoftware | Ok | 07:48 |
benonsoftware | btw is it me or is the website down? | 07:49 |
head_victim | Crap, it is again. | 07:52 |
head_victim | I'm going to file an RT as this is a bit ongoing. | 07:53 |
head_victim | And they still haven't pointed .com.au to it either | 07:53 |
sagaci | march and still website issues? | 07:54 |
head_victim | Well the actual website isn't an issue, the hosting appears to have changed in stability from the previous install. | 07:55 |
head_victim | bradm: I do recall you asking to be pinged if we saw more issues with the website. | 08:20 |
head_victim | Not sure if that's still the case but we're getting "Fatal error: Call to undefined function drupal_init_path() in /srv/drupal-locoteams/www6/includes/bootstrap.inc on line 1212" appearing multiple times lately for bits and pieces here and there | 08:21 |
benonsoftware | Isn't the meeting still going? :D | 08:37 |
bradm | head_victim: might be worth throwing that into a RT | 09:00 |
head_victim | bradm: no worries. Not sure why but it's happened multiple times now. Sometimes I have to bug people to get it fixed other times it fixes without my intervention | 09:20 |
head_victim | I'm going to start a new one, the original website upgrade has actually been done I guess. | 09:23 |
benonsoftware | sagaci: Did you end the bot? | 09:33 |
sagaci | nope | 09:33 |
sagaci | #vote end meeting? | 09:33 |
meetingology | Please vote on: end meeting? | 09:33 |
meetingology | Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me) | 09:33 |
sagaci | +1 | 09:33 |
meetingology | +1 received from sagaci | 09:33 |
sagaci | #endvote | 09:33 |
meetingology | Voting ended on: end meeting? | 09:33 |
meetingology | Votes for:1 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0 | 09:33 |
meetingology | Motion carried | 09:33 |
sagaci | #endmeeting | 09:33 |
meetingology | Meeting ended Sat Mar 3 09:33:59 2012 UTC. | 09:33 |
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sagaci | time to rediscover my inkscape and impress skillz | 09:34 |
benonsoftware | :) | 09:35 |
head_victim | I just wish I had an ounce of creativity. | 09:36 |
* benonsoftware has none | 09:36 | |
head_victim | bradm: RT 19390 if you needed/wanted it | 09:36 |
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airtonix | head_victim: i recently released this django site made with inkscape : http://www.flowersbyrita.com.au/ | 09:59 |
head_victim | airtonix: nice work | 10:00 |
airtonix | i've got some other killer designs ready to use, but rules of our company etc | 10:00 |
sagaci | #startmeeting materials jam | 10:05 |
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sagaci | This links up with the artwork jam that other teams have run in the past but I guess I wanted to make it broad enough for all ubuntu flyers/posters/artwork/etc | 10:06 |
airtonix | head_victim: we've elected to make heavy use of the new css framework called bootstrap. it's pretty awesome (doubly so when you use lesscss) | 10:07 |
airtonix | head_victim: http://twitter.github.com/bootstrap/ | 10:07 |
sagaci | http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-au/1500/detail/ | 10:08 |
benonsoftware | I have to go now but I will read the logs tomorrow morning | 10:08 |
sagaci | no worries | 10:09 |
airtonix | sagaci: do you have any kind of wording or guidlines that artwork should contain? | 10:12 |
sagaci | jaddi27 should be able to help you out with that | 10:15 |
jaddi27 | yep, I can help with guidelines on logos | 10:16 |
jaddi27 | Logos and colours: http://design.canonical.com/the-toolkit/ubuntu-logo-and-circle-of-friends/ | 10:17 |
jaddi27 | Brand Guidelines: http://design.canonical.com/the-toolkit/ubuntu-brand-guidelines/ | 10:17 |
jaddi27 | Trademark policy: http://www.ubuntu.com/aboutus/trademarkpolicy | 10:18 |
jaddi27 | Logo guidelines (The important one to read for this, I think): http://design.ubuntu.com/assets/ubuntu-logo | 10:18 |
jaddi27 | Other Artwork (kubuntu, xubuntu, etc): https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Official | 10:18 |
jaddi27 | Basically you just need to read the logo guidelines (for spacing requirements), and make sure that you are not using the logo or Ubuntu name in a bad way | 10:19 |
jaddi27 | For the promotional material, we should be fine using the logos | 10:19 |
sagaci | jaddi27, where can one get the animal photos | 10:27 |
sagaci | lynx, meerkat, pangolin? | 10:27 |
jaddi27 | Um, I haven't actually seen them yet. I will have a look | 10:27 |
jaddi27 | sagaci, You can go to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DevelopmentCodeNames, which links to the wikipedia page for each animal. Maybe those images would be alright? | 10:29 |
sagaci | yeah, I was meaning more of the animal artwork they have on the official ubuntu shirts | 10:30 |
head_victim | I don't think they actually release that artwork, but then again I'm not sure anyone has asked | 10:33 |
sagaci | http://i.imgur.com/jgOKX.png head_victim | 10:35 |
head_victim | Hah well there you go. | 10:37 |
jaddi27 | sagaci, Good to see you found some | 10:37 |
sagaci | google images <33 | 10:38 |
head_victim | I'd also highly recommend using spreadubuntu to host the created content as well | 10:38 |
head_victim | I pilfer heaps of stuff from there. | 10:39 |
sagaci | taking note of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Precise | 10:40 |
jaddi27 | perfect | 10:41 |
sagaci | http://i.imgur.com/TcRsy.png | 10:46 |
head_victim | sagaci: you using the ubuntu fonts? | 10:55 |
sagaci | ubuntu and ubuntu condensed | 10:56 |
head_victim | It looks a little narrow, ahh condensed makes sense then | 10:56 |
sagaci | i'll just get rid of the middle cirlce | 10:56 |
sagaci | circle | 10:56 |
sagaci | http://i.imgur.com/qaM10.png | 10:59 |
sagaci | http://i.imgur.com/VxQfI.png | 11:17 |
sagaci | #endmeeting | 11:27 |
meetingology | Meeting ended Sat Mar 3 11:27:05 2012 UTC. | 11:27 |
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sagaci | http://i.imgur.com/LfDub.png -- head_victim | 11:27 |
head_victim | Haha | 11:27 |
sagaci | http://spreadubuntu.org/en/material/poster/1204-sydney-release-party | 11:34 |
head_victim | jaddi27: bug 786322 and bug 610416 might be related | 11:45 |
lubotu2 | Launchpad bug 786322 in LoCo Team Portal "Google Calendar showing appointments early" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/786322 | 11:45 |
lubotu2 | Launchpad bug 610416 in LoCo Team Portal "Time of events is shown in UTC, not local time" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/610416 | 11:45 |
head_victim | Forgot -chat didn't have the bots | 11:45 |
head_victim | looking at 610416 starting aroudn comment 18 | 11:45 |
jaddi27 | Yes, that would be a related issue | 11:48 |
jaddi27 | I will keep reading the code for a bit - I just installed pytz to experiment with it | 11:49 |
jaddi27 | I know from work that timezones are extremely annoying to deal with | 11:49 |
head_victim | I don't code with time zones but I already know that they're annoying :/ | 11:51 |
jaddi27 | head_victim, I think we should use 'Australia/Brisbane' for everything from now on - it is better than 'Etc/GMT+10' | 11:52 |
jaddi27 | head_victim, http://paste.ubuntu.com/866538/ | 11:54 |
jaddi27 | That should give an example of why things have appeared as '-1000' when using 'Etc/GMT+10' | 11:54 |
head_victim | jaddi27: I was hoping to avoid using a set location on the basis it might upset those not in the location. That's why I was using the _10 because at least that just means most people fall udner that most of the year. | 11:54 |
jaddi27 | Yes, that is a good idea | 11:55 |
jaddi27 | I will try out 'Etc/gmt-10' and see what it does | 11:55 |
jaddi27 | Ok. Using 'Etc/gmt-10' does what we want | 11:56 |
jaddi27 | Somehow it seems to be back to front | 11:56 |
jaddi27 | Here is an explanation: https://bugs.launchpad.net/pytz/+bug/786022 | 11:57 |
lubotu2 | Ubuntu bug 786022 in pytz "Etc/GMT* zones seem to be inverted" [Undecided,Won't fix] | 11:57 |
jaddi27 | Based on a couple of pages I have just read, it seems that the 'etc/...' timezones are legacy ones that should not be used where possible | 12:00 |
head_victim | Well that does explain things | 12:00 |
jaddi27 | So while it is not the best, using brisbane might be the best option | 12:00 |
jaddi27 | or we could use sydney, but i don't really want to add potential DST issues in as well | 12:01 |
head_victim | Well would it be ok to use the -10 as the team default and create events in local time? | 12:01 |
head_victim | And set the irc channel to -10? | 12:01 |
jaddi27 | We should be able to. The only issue is that it might show 'etc/gmt-10' which would confuse people | 12:01 |
head_victim | Hm I guess I can ask the question as to if they use DST or not if you set it as a location | 12:02 |
jaddi27 | Based on what I know of pytz, it automatically uses DST | 12:03 |
jaddi27 | so if you set it to Sydney, it would automatically use DST when it starts for the year | 12:04 |
head_victim | Ok, and loco.u.c just dropped you both as admins again | 12:04 |
jaddi27 | Yes, I saw that. It is a fun system to use | 12:04 |
head_victim | Ok, but as long as people set events at the right time and we set the team default and irc to the -10 (with an explanation of why) the other events with different tz should work still? | 12:06 |
jaddi27 | I think so. I am still to read that section of code, but I assume that would be the case | 12:09 |
jaddi27 | head_victim, I think you added us to the wrong section - We should be admins, not contacts | 12:10 |
head_victim | Sorry, also updated the irc and team defaults to the -10 | 12:12 |
head_victim | Oh and TAH DAH it's put your wiki jam at 1030 :) | 12:13 |
head_victim | And the irc meeting at 2000 correctly | 12:13 |
jaddi27 | I just changed it to be that | 12:13 |
jaddi27 | so the wiki jam is not quite a good test | 12:13 |
head_victim | Just waiting for my google calendar to update to see if it works | 12:19 |
jaddi27 | The ical feed has definitely changed in places, so it might be better | 12:22 |
head_victim | Still showing up wrong in my google but it might take a little while to propagate. | 12:28 |
jaddi27 | Yes, hard to know. The meeting next weekend is correct on my calendar, but this weekend's events are wrong still | 12:33 |
head_victim | I guess we'll just wait and see for a day or so | 12:43 |
head_victim | Ah the team meeting is set at EST | 12:44 |
head_victim | Not sure what EST that is referring to though. | 12:44 |
head_victim | I know EST has several tz uses | 12:44 |
head_victim | And it's dropped the admins again :/ | 12:45 |
jaddi27 | I have a feeling EST is Brisbane in this case - You can set a timezone when you create a meeting, or use the Team Default, and for the March meeting I selected Australia/Brisbane | 12:47 |
head_victim | EST would be less confusing than UTC-10 | 12:48 |
jaddi27 | Yes, certainly would be | 12:49 |
head_victim | Ok, changed them both to EST, seemed to work for sagaci | 12:50 |
jaddi27 | So the timezone for the team is now Australia/Brisbane? or was there an EST option? | 12:52 |
head_victim | EST option | 12:52 |
jaddi27 | ok | 12:53 |
jaddi27 | something like Australia/EST ? | 12:53 |
head_victim | Nah it was just EST but there was also an EST5EDT which may be the other EST I knew of | 12:53 |
jaddi27 | Ok | 12:54 |
head_victim | I'll stop playing with it now, honest ;) | 12:55 |
jaddi27 | head_victim, 'EST' translates to -5000 | 12:56 |
jaddi27 | so that is not quite right | 12:56 |
head_victim | Well how was it working then? sagaci had that set for his Sydney event | 12:56 |
head_victim | Ok, so utc-10 for now and I'll put it to the list to set a specific location for the team and irc channel going into the future? | 12:57 |
head_victim | jaddi27: I've put them all back to ETC/GMT-10 | 13:05 |
jaddi27 | Ok | 13:06 |
head_victim | If that doesn't work we can move them to EST | 13:06 |
head_victim | No idea why but the ones sagaci set using them work perfect on my ical | 13:06 |
head_victim | Maybe the tz translation is easier for that format or something | 13:06 |
jaddi27 | Australia/Sydney also shows up as EST | 13:06 |
head_victim | I couldn't find a definitive list on the pytz website though | 13:07 |
jaddi27 | So I think he might have selected that timezone, and I used Australia/Brisbane for the March meeting, and that is why | 13:07 |
jaddi27 | I have been testing it out in the console - that is the only way I could find in my brief searches | 13:07 |
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