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head_victimikt: cheers for the cleanup02:47
sagacidamnit, royally screwed up the time for the jam on l.u.c02:51
sagaciit's UTC, not GMT+1002:51
sagacihead_victim, maybe when you changed the default time, it changed the event time :/02:52
sagacididn't think about that02:52
head_victimsagaci: I was woken up by reminders on my phone last night02:53
head_victim:/02:53
sagaciyeah, I think that's what's happened02:53
sagaciit's come off the ubuntu-au default timezone which was set to GMT02:53
head_victimYeah but I don't know how you did it because everything I ever set up was wrong despite the default02:54
head_victimThe only way I got it right was change the venue to +10 as well02:54
head_victimBut now that appears to ahve screwed up the ones you'd organised.02:54
benonsoftwareSo what time will the translation jam start at? 3am GMT?02:55
head_victimbenonsoftware: I believe so02:57
benonsoftwareOk, cool02:57
sagaciyeah so 4pm NSW time, as I had on the wiki04:10
jaddi27sagaci: what is at 4pm?04:11
jaddi27isn't translations happening now? (I missed the start though)04:11
head_victimjaddi27: just when we'd thought we'd fixed loco.u.c apparently I'd stuffed it :/04:12
jaddi27the times are wrong I know04:12
jaddi27but I didn't see when it started04:12
head_victimI've given up on getting the ical to do what it's meant to do I think.04:12
head_victimOpen to suggestion but I had tried everything I could think of to make it work and it hasn't.04:13
jaddi27Yes, I think that is about right. 04:13
head_victimI don't know why though. No one else seems to be having problems so I had just thought that perhaps it was just me stuffing it up.04:13
jaddi27I might try to read the code again and work it out04:13
head_victimNone of the other locos seem to mention it04:13
jaddi27Do the other locos use the ical much?04:14
sagacithe translation jam04:14
sagaciand the materials at 9pm04:14
sagaciNSW time04:14
jaddi27Oh, I thought the translations jam was from 2-5 NSW time04:14
sagacinah, I had it on 3-5am UTC on the wiki and copied that to the l.u.c entry04:16
sagacibut head_victim changed the #ubuntu-au channel time default to gmt+10 but I forgot to adjust it04:16
sagaciforgot/didn't realise04:17
jaddi27ok04:17
head_victimYeah but still that doesn't seem to make sense on the ical stuff I get.04:17
sagaciwhat do you mean?04:18
jaddi27I have the wrong times on the Facebook events as well then04:18
head_victimI was woken at 11pm and 4am with 1 hour reminders04:18
head_victimSo even if oyu add +10 to that it's still wrong.04:18
jaddi27Yes. What if you do -10 to the times04:19
head_victimUbuntu-AU en_AU Translation Jam04:20
head_victimSat, 3 March, 23:00 – Sun, 4 March, 01:0004:20
head_victimTHat's what my google ical feed says :/04:20
sagaciheh04:20
sagaciweird04:20
head_victimSo + or - 10 is still wrong04:21
jaddi27yes, it is quite odd04:21
sagacitranslation jam is in around 40 mins04:21
sagacijust to clear the air04:21
benonsoftwareOk04:22
head_victimSo yeah I thought it was at 1pm utc+1004:22
* head_victim failes04:22
jaddi27Ok. I will be out at the start of it, but will be back later04:22
head_victimfailed*04:22
head_victimYeah I will be back mid session I'd say04:23
head_victimsagaci: I assume you were just going to work throuhg some universe packages?04:23
benonsoftwareI should be here all session04:23
* jaddi27 will be back in a while04:27
sagacihead_victim, I was going to go through fixing some of the mistakes and a few universe packages, yeah04:28
head_victimsagaci: good stuff. I like jaddi27 will be back about half way through I'd say04:29
head_victimsorry, I thought I was going to make this one until I stuffed up all the times04:29
sagacidisregarding ical, I think these things should be in local time04:29
head_victimThe problem is for the irc channel, what is local time? We go across up to 5 tz's in summer04:30
sagaciI'll be back for the jam04:31
benonsoftwareJam Time? :D05:04
sagaciok, translation jam...05:07
sagaci#startmeeting translation jam05:07
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sagaci#link http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-au/1463/detail/05:10
sagaciyou can participate by fixing the strings already in launchpad by searching strings... http://people.ubuntu.com/~jpickett/translations/en_AU-20120302.tar.gz or you can translate packages from universe that are listed here -- https://translations.launchpad.net/translations/+products-with-translations05:12
sagacinote that these packages aren't all from universe in ubuntu but if you trawl through the lists and see a project you like or is in ubuntu universe, it would be nice to translate them too05:13
sagacia word substitution table can be found here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EnglishTranslation/WordSubstitution05:14
benonsoftwaresagaci: I have a question, .po files what where do I enter the translations?05:19
sagaciare you adding new translations or fixing them05:20
benonsoftwaresagaci: Well its not Ubuntu related but it would be new translations05:20
sagaciusually .po files have a msgid and a msgstr05:22
sagaciyou put your translation into the msgstr field05:22
benonsoftwareOk, thanks05:22
sagacibut if it's a project translatable on launchpad, I'd be inclined to just use the web interface05:23
benonsoftwareYes, I always do that05:23
sagacifirst package and it has a bug -- https://translations.launchpad.net/drapes/trunk/+pots/drapes/en_AU/4/+translate05:29
sagacishould have had a bug jam after this05:34
head_victimsagaci: so with the file on your people.u.c site, if I extract it what you're proposing is something like "grep /path/to/extracted/files *common misspelling*"06:16
head_victimAnd then do you head back to launchpad to update the string?06:17
jaddi27sagaci: I am here now06:17
jaddi27switching to ubuntu - back soon06:19
sagacihead_victim, cd ~/pathtopo/*; grep -i "centre" ./* > centre06:23
sagacihead_victim, then grep -i "msgstr" centre >> result06:23
sagaciless result06:23
sagaciobviously search for center06:24
head_victimOk, I did a search for trash even and found a fair few results06:24
sagaciseaching for alog will get dialog, analog, etc06:24
sagaciwastebin/basket06:24
sagacijust look down the word substitution list and pick out common strings06:24
sagacibrb06:24
head_victimOk thats because they're all showing up in the msgid 06:24
jaddi27sagaci, What would you like me to look at (when you are ready)06:25
head_victimStarting to make sense :)06:25
head_victimjaddi27: http://paste.ubuntu.com/866256/06:25
head_victimGive you an idea of the plan of attack06:26
jaddi27Ok. Are certain people doing certain strings via grep?06:27
head_victimNot that I'm aware of, feel free to suggest them as you do them06:27
jaddi27Ok06:27
sagacihead_victim, yeah then you do that list and search for msgstr06:32
sagaciI've done a few a while back but it would be wise to start a table/list06:32
sagaciif you're working on a big screen it's also a good idea to open batch=300's of the templates so you can easily find/fix them in lp06:33
head_victimOk, I coupled 2 greps together to give me a reasonable output "grep 'string' /path/to/extracted/dir/* | grep 'msgstr'"06:39
head_victimIs it worth adding a column to the wordsub table for "date checked" and "who by" ?06:41
head_victimInstead of creating a whole other list of checked ones?06:41
jaddi27head_victim, I think that could be useful06:52
jaddi27where is that table again?06:52
head_victimhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/EnglishTranslation/WordSubstitution06:55
head_victimDidn't we set up an enau one though?06:55
jaddi27Yes, we did somewhere. I will have a look for it06:55
head_victimhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/Projects/Translation/WordSubstitution06:56
jaddi27https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/Projects/Translation/TranslationChecklist06:56
sagaciobviously strings like ize will get false positives like size but it's not too big of a deal06:58
sagaciI've done strings like colour, dialog and honour06:58
head_victimI've done a fair few now and not finding any in the files, awesome stuff :)07:28
benonsoftwareSo with the confusion what time is the Materials Jam on?07:45
sagaci9pm nsw07:46
benonsoftwareWell I might have to skip it, however I will certainly read the logs07:46
sagaciok then I'll be working towards making a release poster for the sydney event07:47
benonsoftwareOk07:48
benonsoftwarebtw is it me or is the website down?07:49
head_victimCrap, it is again.07:52
head_victimI'm going to file an RT as this is a bit ongoing.07:53
head_victimAnd they still haven't pointed .com.au to it either07:53
sagacimarch and still website issues?07:54
head_victimWell the actual website isn't an issue, the hosting appears to have changed in stability from the previous install.07:55
head_victimbradm: I do recall you asking to be pinged if we saw more issues with the website.08:20
head_victimNot sure if that's still the case but we're getting "Fatal error: Call to undefined function drupal_init_path() in /srv/drupal-locoteams/www6/includes/bootstrap.inc on line 1212" appearing multiple times lately for bits and pieces here and there08:21
benonsoftwareIsn't the meeting still going? :D08:37
bradmhead_victim: might be worth throwing that into a RT09:00
head_victimbradm: no worries. Not sure why but it's happened multiple times now. Sometimes I have to bug people to get it fixed other times it fixes without my intervention09:20
head_victimI'm going to start a new one, the original website upgrade has actually been done I guess.09:23
benonsoftwaresagaci: Did you end the bot?09:33
sagacinope09:33
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sagacitime to rediscover my inkscape and impress skillz09:34
benonsoftware:)09:35
head_victimI just wish I had an ounce of creativity.09:36
* benonsoftware has none09:36
head_victimbradm: RT 19390 if you needed/wanted it09:36
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airtonixhead_victim: i recently released this django site made with inkscape : http://www.flowersbyrita.com.au/09:59
head_victimairtonix: nice work10:00
airtonixi've got some other killer designs ready to use, but rules of our company etc10:00
sagaci#startmeeting materials jam10:05
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sagaciThis links up with the artwork jam that other teams have run in the past but I guess I wanted to make it broad enough for all ubuntu flyers/posters/artwork/etc10:06
airtonixhead_victim: we've elected to make heavy use of the new css framework called bootstrap. it's pretty awesome (doubly so when you use lesscss)10:07
airtonixhead_victim: http://twitter.github.com/bootstrap/10:07
sagacihttp://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-au/1500/detail/10:08
benonsoftwareI have to go now but I will read the logs tomorrow morning10:08
sagacino worries10:09
airtonixsagaci: do you have any kind of wording or guidlines that artwork should contain?10:12
sagacijaddi27 should be able to help you out with that10:15
jaddi27yep, I can help with guidelines on logos10:16
jaddi27Logos and colours: http://design.canonical.com/the-toolkit/ubuntu-logo-and-circle-of-friends/10:17
jaddi27Brand Guidelines: http://design.canonical.com/the-toolkit/ubuntu-brand-guidelines/10:17
jaddi27Trademark policy: http://www.ubuntu.com/aboutus/trademarkpolicy10:18
jaddi27Logo guidelines (The important one to read for this, I think): http://design.ubuntu.com/assets/ubuntu-logo10:18
jaddi27Other Artwork (kubuntu, xubuntu, etc): https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Official10:18
jaddi27Basically you just need to read the logo guidelines (for spacing requirements), and make sure that you are not using the logo or Ubuntu name in a bad way10:19
jaddi27For the promotional material, we should be fine using the logos10:19
sagacijaddi27, where can one get the animal photos10:27
sagacilynx, meerkat, pangolin?10:27
jaddi27Um, I haven't actually seen them yet. I will have a look10:27
jaddi27sagaci, You can go to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DevelopmentCodeNames, which links to the wikipedia page for each animal. Maybe those images would be alright?10:29
sagaciyeah, I was meaning more of the animal artwork they have on the official ubuntu shirts10:30
head_victimI don't think they actually release that artwork, but then again I'm not sure anyone has asked10:33
sagacihttp://i.imgur.com/jgOKX.png head_victim 10:35
head_victimHah well there you go.10:37
jaddi27sagaci, Good to see you found some10:37
sagacigoogle images <3310:38
head_victimI'd also highly recommend using spreadubuntu to host the created content as well10:38
head_victimI pilfer heaps of stuff from there.10:39
sagacitaking note of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Precise10:40
jaddi27perfect10:41
sagacihttp://i.imgur.com/TcRsy.png10:46
head_victimsagaci: you using the ubuntu fonts?10:55
sagaciubuntu and ubuntu condensed10:56
head_victimIt looks a little narrow, ahh condensed makes sense then10:56
sagacii'll just get rid of the middle cirlce10:56
sagacicircle10:56
sagacihttp://i.imgur.com/qaM10.png10:59
sagacihttp://i.imgur.com/VxQfI.png11:17
sagaci#endmeeting11:27
meetingologyMeeting ended Sat Mar  3 11:27:05 2012 UTC.  11:27
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sagacihttp://i.imgur.com/LfDub.png -- head_victim 11:27
head_victimHaha11:27
sagacihttp://spreadubuntu.org/en/material/poster/1204-sydney-release-party11:34
head_victimjaddi27:  bug 786322 and bug 610416 might be related11:45
lubotu2Launchpad bug 786322 in LoCo Team Portal "Google Calendar showing appointments early" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/78632211:45
lubotu2Launchpad bug 610416 in LoCo Team Portal "Time of events is shown in UTC, not local time" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/61041611:45
head_victimForgot -chat didn't have the bots11:45
head_victimlooking at 610416 starting aroudn comment 1811:45
jaddi27Yes, that would be a related issue11:48
jaddi27I will keep reading the code for a bit - I just installed pytz to experiment with it11:49
jaddi27I know from work that timezones are extremely annoying to deal with11:49
head_victimI don't code with time zones but I already know that they're annoying :/11:51
jaddi27head_victim, I think we should use 'Australia/Brisbane' for everything from now on - it is better than 'Etc/GMT+10'11:52
jaddi27head_victim, http://paste.ubuntu.com/866538/11:54
jaddi27That should give an example of why things have appeared as '-1000' when using 'Etc/GMT+10'11:54
head_victimjaddi27: I was hoping to avoid using a set location on the basis it might upset those not in the location. That's why I was using the _10 because at least that just means most people fall udner that most of the year.11:54
jaddi27Yes, that is a good idea11:55
jaddi27I will try out 'Etc/gmt-10' and see what it does11:55
jaddi27Ok. Using 'Etc/gmt-10' does what we want11:56
jaddi27Somehow it seems to be back to front11:56
jaddi27Here is an explanation: https://bugs.launchpad.net/pytz/+bug/78602211:57
lubotu2Ubuntu bug 786022 in pytz "Etc/GMT* zones seem to be inverted" [Undecided,Won't fix]11:57
jaddi27Based on a couple of pages I have just read, it seems that the 'etc/...' timezones are legacy ones that should not be used where possible12:00
head_victimWell that does explain things 12:00
jaddi27So while it is not the best, using brisbane might be the best option12:00
jaddi27or we could use sydney, but i don't really want to add potential DST issues in as well12:01
head_victimWell would it be ok to use the -10 as the team default and create events in local time?12:01
head_victimAnd set the irc channel to -10?12:01
jaddi27We should be able to. The only issue is that it might show 'etc/gmt-10' which would confuse people12:01
head_victimHm I guess I can ask the question as to if they use DST or not if you set it as a location12:02
jaddi27Based on what I know of pytz, it automatically uses DST12:03
jaddi27so if you set it to Sydney, it would automatically use DST when it starts for the year12:04
head_victimOk, and loco.u.c just dropped you both as admins again12:04
jaddi27Yes, I saw that. It is a fun system to use12:04
head_victimOk, but as long as people set events at the right time and we set the team default and irc to the -10 (with an explanation of why) the other events with different tz should work still?12:06
jaddi27I think so. I am still to read that section of code, but I assume that would be the case12:09
jaddi27head_victim, I think you added us to the wrong section - We should be admins, not contacts12:10
head_victimSorry, also updated the irc and team defaults to the -1012:12
head_victimOh and TAH DAH it's put your wiki jam at 1030 :)12:13
head_victimAnd the irc meeting at 2000 correctly12:13
jaddi27I just changed it to be that12:13
jaddi27so the wiki jam is not quite a good test12:13
head_victimJust waiting for my google calendar to update to see if it works12:19
jaddi27The ical feed has definitely changed in places, so it might be better12:22
head_victimStill showing up wrong in my google but it might take a little while to propagate.12:28
jaddi27Yes, hard to know. The meeting next weekend is correct on my calendar, but this weekend's events are wrong still12:33
head_victimI guess we'll just wait and see for a day or so12:43
head_victimAh the team meeting is set at EST12:44
head_victimNot sure what EST that is referring to though.12:44
head_victimI know EST has several tz uses12:44
head_victimAnd it's dropped the admins again :/12:45
jaddi27I have a feeling EST is Brisbane in this case - You can set a timezone when you create a meeting, or use the Team Default, and for the March meeting I selected Australia/Brisbane12:47
head_victimEST would be less confusing than UTC-1012:48
jaddi27Yes, certainly would be12:49
head_victimOk, changed them both to EST, seemed to work for sagaci12:50
jaddi27So the timezone for the team is now Australia/Brisbane? or was there an EST option?12:52
head_victimEST option12:52
jaddi27ok12:53
jaddi27something like Australia/EST ?12:53
head_victimNah it was just EST but there was also an EST5EDT which may be the other EST I knew of12:53
jaddi27Ok12:54
head_victimI'll stop playing with it now, honest ;)12:55
jaddi27head_victim, 'EST' translates to -500012:56
jaddi27so that is not quite right12:56
head_victimWell how was it working then? sagaci had that set for his Sydney event12:56
head_victimOk, so utc-10 for now and I'll put it to the list to set a specific location for the team and irc channel going into the future?12:57
head_victimjaddi27: I've put them all back to ETC/GMT-1013:05
jaddi27Ok13:06
head_victimIf that doesn't work we can move them to EST13:06
head_victimNo idea why but the ones sagaci set using them work perfect on my ical13:06
head_victimMaybe the tz translation is easier for that format or something13:06
jaddi27Australia/Sydney also shows up as EST13:06
head_victimI couldn't find a definitive list on the pytz website though13:07
jaddi27So I think he might have selected that timezone, and I used Australia/Brisbane for the March meeting, and that is why13:07
jaddi27I have been testing it out in the console - that is the only way I could find in my brief searches13:07

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