[02:47] <head_victim> ikt: cheers for the cleanup
[02:51] <sagaci> damnit, royally screwed up the time for the jam on l.u.c
[02:51] <sagaci> it's UTC, not GMT+10
[02:52] <sagaci> head_victim, maybe when you changed the default time, it changed the event time :/
[02:52] <sagaci> didn't think about that
[02:53] <head_victim> sagaci: I was woken up by reminders on my phone last night
[02:53] <head_victim> :/
[02:53] <sagaci> yeah, I think that's what's happened
[02:53] <sagaci> it's come off the ubuntu-au default timezone which was set to GMT
[02:54] <head_victim> Yeah but I don't know how you did it because everything I ever set up was wrong despite the default
[02:54] <head_victim> The only way I got it right was change the venue to +10 as well
[02:54] <head_victim> But now that appears to ahve screwed up the ones you'd organised.
[02:55] <benonsoftware> So what time will the translation jam start at? 3am GMT?
[02:57] <head_victim> benonsoftware: I believe so
[02:57] <benonsoftware> Ok, cool
[04:10] <sagaci> yeah so 4pm NSW time, as I had on the wiki
[04:11] <jaddi27> sagaci: what is at 4pm?
[04:11] <jaddi27> isn't translations happening now? (I missed the start though)
[04:12] <head_victim> jaddi27: just when we'd thought we'd fixed loco.u.c apparently I'd stuffed it :/
[04:12] <jaddi27> the times are wrong I know
[04:12] <jaddi27> but I didn't see when it started
[04:12] <head_victim> I've given up on getting the ical to do what it's meant to do I think.
[04:13] <head_victim> Open to suggestion but I had tried everything I could think of to make it work and it hasn't.
[04:13] <jaddi27> Yes, I think that is about right. 
[04:13] <head_victim> I don't know why though. No one else seems to be having problems so I had just thought that perhaps it was just me stuffing it up.
[04:13] <jaddi27> I might try to read the code again and work it out
[04:13] <head_victim> None of the other locos seem to mention it
[04:14] <jaddi27> Do the other locos use the ical much?
[04:14] <sagaci> the translation jam
[04:14] <sagaci> and the materials at 9pm
[04:14] <sagaci> NSW time
[04:14] <jaddi27> Oh, I thought the translations jam was from 2-5 NSW time
[04:16] <sagaci> nah, I had it on 3-5am UTC on the wiki and copied that to the l.u.c entry
[04:16] <sagaci> but head_victim changed the #ubuntu-au channel time default to gmt+10 but I forgot to adjust it
[04:17] <sagaci> forgot/didn't realise
[04:17] <jaddi27> ok
[04:17] <head_victim> Yeah but still that doesn't seem to make sense on the ical stuff I get.
[04:18] <sagaci> what do you mean?
[04:18] <jaddi27> I have the wrong times on the Facebook events as well then
[04:18] <head_victim> I was woken at 11pm and 4am with 1 hour reminders
[04:18] <head_victim> So even if oyu add +10 to that it's still wrong.
[04:19] <jaddi27> Yes. What if you do -10 to the times
[04:20] <head_victim> Ubuntu-AU en_AU Translation Jam
[04:20] <head_victim> Sat, 3 March, 23:00 – Sun, 4 March, 01:00
[04:20] <head_victim> THat's what my google ical feed says :/
[04:20] <sagaci> heh
[04:20] <sagaci> weird
[04:21] <head_victim> So + or - 10 is still wrong
[04:21] <jaddi27> yes, it is quite odd
[04:21] <sagaci> translation jam is in around 40 mins
[04:21] <sagaci> just to clear the air
[04:22] <benonsoftware> Ok
[04:22] <head_victim> So yeah I thought it was at 1pm utc+10
[04:22]  * head_victim failes
[04:22] <jaddi27> Ok. I will be out at the start of it, but will be back later
[04:22] <head_victim> failed*
[04:23] <head_victim> Yeah I will be back mid session I'd say
[04:23] <head_victim> sagaci: I assume you were just going to work throuhg some universe packages?
[04:23] <benonsoftware> I should be here all session
[04:27]  * jaddi27 will be back in a while
[04:28] <sagaci> head_victim, I was going to go through fixing some of the mistakes and a few universe packages, yeah
[04:29] <head_victim> sagaci: good stuff. I like jaddi27 will be back about half way through I'd say
[04:29] <head_victim> sorry, I thought I was going to make this one until I stuffed up all the times
[04:29] <sagaci> disregarding ical, I think these things should be in local time
[04:30] <head_victim> The problem is for the irc channel, what is local time? We go across up to 5 tz's in summer
[04:31] <sagaci> I'll be back for the jam
[05:04] <benonsoftware> Jam Time? :D
[05:07] <sagaci> ok, translation jam...
[05:07] <sagaci> #startmeeting translation jam
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[05:10] <sagaci> #link http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-au/1463/detail/
[05:12] <sagaci> you can participate by fixing the strings already in launchpad by searching strings... http://people.ubuntu.com/~jpickett/translations/en_AU-20120302.tar.gz or you can translate packages from universe that are listed here -- https://translations.launchpad.net/translations/+products-with-translations
[05:13] <sagaci> note that these packages aren't all from universe in ubuntu but if you trawl through the lists and see a project you like or is in ubuntu universe, it would be nice to translate them too
[05:14] <sagaci> a word substitution table can be found here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EnglishTranslation/WordSubstitution
[05:19] <benonsoftware> sagaci: I have a question, .po files what where do I enter the translations?
[05:20] <sagaci> are you adding new translations or fixing them
[05:20] <benonsoftware> sagaci: Well its not Ubuntu related but it would be new translations
[05:22] <sagaci> usually .po files have a msgid and a msgstr
[05:22] <sagaci> you put your translation into the msgstr field
[05:22] <benonsoftware> Ok, thanks
[05:23] <sagaci> but if it's a project translatable on launchpad, I'd be inclined to just use the web interface
[05:23] <benonsoftware> Yes, I always do that
[05:29] <sagaci> first package and it has a bug -- https://translations.launchpad.net/drapes/trunk/+pots/drapes/en_AU/4/+translate
[05:34] <sagaci> should have had a bug jam after this
[06:16] <head_victim> sagaci: so with the file on your people.u.c site, if I extract it what you're proposing is something like "grep /path/to/extracted/files *common misspelling*"
[06:17] <head_victim> And then do you head back to launchpad to update the string?
[06:17] <jaddi27> sagaci: I am here now
[06:19] <jaddi27> switching to ubuntu - back soon
[06:23] <sagaci> head_victim, cd ~/pathtopo/*; grep -i "centre" ./* > centre
[06:23] <sagaci> head_victim, then grep -i "msgstr" centre >> result
[06:23] <sagaci> less result
[06:24] <sagaci> obviously search for center
[06:24] <head_victim> Ok, I did a search for trash even and found a fair few results
[06:24] <sagaci> seaching for alog will get dialog, analog, etc
[06:24] <sagaci> wastebin/basket
[06:24] <sagaci> just look down the word substitution list and pick out common strings
[06:24] <sagaci> brb
[06:24] <head_victim> Ok thats because they're all showing up in the msgid 
[06:25] <jaddi27> sagaci, What would you like me to look at (when you are ready)
[06:25] <head_victim> Starting to make sense :)
[06:25] <head_victim> jaddi27: http://paste.ubuntu.com/866256/
[06:26] <head_victim> Give you an idea of the plan of attack
[06:27] <jaddi27> Ok. Are certain people doing certain strings via grep?
[06:27] <head_victim> Not that I'm aware of, feel free to suggest them as you do them
[06:27] <jaddi27> Ok
[06:32] <sagaci> head_victim, yeah then you do that list and search for msgstr
[06:32] <sagaci> I've done a few a while back but it would be wise to start a table/list
[06:33] <sagaci> if you're working on a big screen it's also a good idea to open batch=300's of the templates so you can easily find/fix them in lp
[06:39] <head_victim> Ok, I coupled 2 greps together to give me a reasonable output "grep 'string' /path/to/extracted/dir/* | grep 'msgstr'"
[06:41] <head_victim> Is it worth adding a column to the wordsub table for "date checked" and "who by" ?
[06:41] <head_victim> Instead of creating a whole other list of checked ones?
[06:52] <jaddi27> head_victim, I think that could be useful
[06:52] <jaddi27> where is that table again?
[06:55] <head_victim> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EnglishTranslation/WordSubstitution
[06:55] <head_victim> Didn't we set up an enau one though?
[06:55] <jaddi27> Yes, we did somewhere. I will have a look for it
[06:56] <head_victim> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/Projects/Translation/WordSubstitution
[06:56] <jaddi27> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/Projects/Translation/TranslationChecklist
[06:58] <sagaci> obviously strings like ize will get false positives like size but it's not too big of a deal
[06:58] <sagaci> I've done strings like colour, dialog and honour
[07:28] <head_victim> I've done a fair few now and not finding any in the files, awesome stuff :)
[07:45] <benonsoftware> So with the confusion what time is the Materials Jam on?
[07:46] <sagaci> 9pm nsw
[07:46] <benonsoftware> Well I might have to skip it, however I will certainly read the logs
[07:47] <sagaci> ok then I'll be working towards making a release poster for the sydney event
[07:48] <benonsoftware> Ok
[07:49] <benonsoftware> btw is it me or is the website down?
[07:52] <head_victim> Crap, it is again.
[07:53] <head_victim> I'm going to file an RT as this is a bit ongoing.
[07:53] <head_victim> And they still haven't pointed .com.au to it either
[07:54] <sagaci> march and still website issues?
[07:55] <head_victim> Well the actual website isn't an issue, the hosting appears to have changed in stability from the previous install.
[08:20] <head_victim> bradm: I do recall you asking to be pinged if we saw more issues with the website.
[08:21] <head_victim> Not sure if that's still the case but we're getting "Fatal error: Call to undefined function drupal_init_path() in /srv/drupal-locoteams/www6/includes/bootstrap.inc on line 1212" appearing multiple times lately for bits and pieces here and there
[08:37] <benonsoftware> Isn't the meeting still going? :D
[09:00] <bradm> head_victim: might be worth throwing that into a RT
[09:20] <head_victim> bradm: no worries. Not sure why but it's happened multiple times now. Sometimes I have to bug people to get it fixed other times it fixes without my intervention
[09:23] <head_victim> I'm going to start a new one, the original website upgrade has actually been done I guess.
[09:33] <benonsoftware> sagaci: Did you end the bot?
[09:33] <sagaci> nope
[09:33] <sagaci> #vote end meeting?
[09:33] <meetingology> Please vote on: end meeting?
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[09:33] <sagaci> +1
[09:33] <meetingology> +1 received from sagaci
[09:33] <sagaci> #endvote
[09:33] <meetingology> Voting ended on: end meeting?
[09:33] <meetingology> Votes for:1 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[09:33] <meetingology> Motion carried
[09:33] <sagaci> #endmeeting
[09:33] <meetingology> Meeting ended Sat Mar  3 09:33:59 2012 UTC.  
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[09:34] <sagaci> time to rediscover my inkscape and impress skillz
[09:35] <benonsoftware> :)
[09:36] <head_victim> I just wish I had an ounce of creativity.
[09:36]  * benonsoftware has none
[09:36] <head_victim> bradm: RT 19390 if you needed/wanted it
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[09:59] <airtonix> head_victim: i recently released this django site made with inkscape : http://www.flowersbyrita.com.au/
[10:00] <head_victim> airtonix: nice work
[10:00] <airtonix> i've got some other killer designs ready to use, but rules of our company etc
[10:05] <sagaci> #startmeeting materials jam
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[10:06] <sagaci> This links up with the artwork jam that other teams have run in the past but I guess I wanted to make it broad enough for all ubuntu flyers/posters/artwork/etc
[10:07] <airtonix> head_victim: we've elected to make heavy use of the new css framework called bootstrap. it's pretty awesome (doubly so when you use lesscss)
[10:07] <airtonix> head_victim: http://twitter.github.com/bootstrap/
[10:08] <sagaci> http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-au/1500/detail/
[10:08] <benonsoftware> I have to go now but I will read the logs tomorrow morning
[10:09] <sagaci> no worries
[10:12] <airtonix> sagaci: do you have any kind of wording or guidlines that artwork should contain?
[10:15] <sagaci> jaddi27 should be able to help you out with that
[10:16] <jaddi27> yep, I can help with guidelines on logos
[10:17] <jaddi27> Logos and colours: http://design.canonical.com/the-toolkit/ubuntu-logo-and-circle-of-friends/
[10:17] <jaddi27> Brand Guidelines: http://design.canonical.com/the-toolkit/ubuntu-brand-guidelines/
[10:18] <jaddi27> Trademark policy: http://www.ubuntu.com/aboutus/trademarkpolicy
[10:18] <jaddi27> Logo guidelines (The important one to read for this, I think): http://design.ubuntu.com/assets/ubuntu-logo
[10:18] <jaddi27> Other Artwork (kubuntu, xubuntu, etc): https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Official
[10:19] <jaddi27> Basically you just need to read the logo guidelines (for spacing requirements), and make sure that you are not using the logo or Ubuntu name in a bad way
[10:19] <jaddi27> For the promotional material, we should be fine using the logos
[10:27] <sagaci> jaddi27, where can one get the animal photos
[10:27] <sagaci> lynx, meerkat, pangolin?
[10:27] <jaddi27> Um, I haven't actually seen them yet. I will have a look
[10:29] <jaddi27> sagaci, You can go to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DevelopmentCodeNames, which links to the wikipedia page for each animal. Maybe those images would be alright?
[10:30] <sagaci> yeah, I was meaning more of the animal artwork they have on the official ubuntu shirts
[10:33] <head_victim> I don't think they actually release that artwork, but then again I'm not sure anyone has asked
[10:35] <sagaci> http://i.imgur.com/jgOKX.png head_victim 
[10:37] <head_victim> Hah well there you go.
[10:37] <jaddi27> sagaci, Good to see you found some
[10:38] <sagaci> google images <33
[10:38] <head_victim> I'd also highly recommend using spreadubuntu to host the created content as well
[10:39] <head_victim> I pilfer heaps of stuff from there.
[10:40] <sagaci> taking note of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Precise
[10:41] <jaddi27> perfect
[10:46] <sagaci> http://i.imgur.com/TcRsy.png
[10:55] <head_victim> sagaci: you using the ubuntu fonts?
[10:56] <sagaci> ubuntu and ubuntu condensed
[10:56] <head_victim> It looks a little narrow, ahh condensed makes sense then
[10:56] <sagaci> i'll just get rid of the middle cirlce
[10:56] <sagaci> circle
[10:59] <sagaci> http://i.imgur.com/qaM10.png
[11:17] <sagaci> http://i.imgur.com/VxQfI.png
[11:27] <sagaci> #endmeeting
[11:27] <meetingology> Meeting ended Sat Mar  3 11:27:05 2012 UTC.  
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[11:27] <sagaci> http://i.imgur.com/LfDub.png -- head_victim 
[11:27] <head_victim> Haha
[11:34] <sagaci> http://spreadubuntu.org/en/material/poster/1204-sydney-release-party
[11:45] <head_victim> jaddi27:  bug 786322 and bug 610416 might be related
[11:45] <lubotu2> Launchpad bug 786322 in LoCo Team Portal "Google Calendar showing appointments early" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/786322
[11:45] <lubotu2> Launchpad bug 610416 in LoCo Team Portal "Time of events is shown in UTC, not local time" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/610416
[11:45] <head_victim> Forgot -chat didn't have the bots
[11:45] <head_victim> looking at 610416 starting aroudn comment 18
[11:48] <jaddi27> Yes, that would be a related issue
[11:49] <jaddi27> I will keep reading the code for a bit - I just installed pytz to experiment with it
[11:49] <jaddi27> I know from work that timezones are extremely annoying to deal with
[11:51] <head_victim> I don't code with time zones but I already know that they're annoying :/
[11:52] <jaddi27> head_victim, I think we should use 'Australia/Brisbane' for everything from now on - it is better than 'Etc/GMT+10'
[11:54] <jaddi27> head_victim, http://paste.ubuntu.com/866538/
[11:54] <jaddi27> That should give an example of why things have appeared as '-1000' when using 'Etc/GMT+10'
[11:54] <head_victim> jaddi27: I was hoping to avoid using a set location on the basis it might upset those not in the location. That's why I was using the _10 because at least that just means most people fall udner that most of the year.
[11:55] <jaddi27> Yes, that is a good idea
[11:55] <jaddi27> I will try out 'Etc/gmt-10' and see what it does
[11:56] <jaddi27> Ok. Using 'Etc/gmt-10' does what we want
[11:56] <jaddi27> Somehow it seems to be back to front
[11:57] <jaddi27> Here is an explanation: https://bugs.launchpad.net/pytz/+bug/786022
[11:57] <lubotu2> Ubuntu bug 786022 in pytz "Etc/GMT* zones seem to be inverted" [Undecided,Won't fix]
[12:00] <jaddi27> Based on a couple of pages I have just read, it seems that the 'etc/...' timezones are legacy ones that should not be used where possible
[12:00] <head_victim> Well that does explain things 
[12:00] <jaddi27> So while it is not the best, using brisbane might be the best option
[12:01] <jaddi27> or we could use sydney, but i don't really want to add potential DST issues in as well
[12:01] <head_victim> Well would it be ok to use the -10 as the team default and create events in local time?
[12:01] <head_victim> And set the irc channel to -10?
[12:01] <jaddi27> We should be able to. The only issue is that it might show 'etc/gmt-10' which would confuse people
[12:02] <head_victim> Hm I guess I can ask the question as to if they use DST or not if you set it as a location
[12:03] <jaddi27> Based on what I know of pytz, it automatically uses DST
[12:04] <jaddi27> so if you set it to Sydney, it would automatically use DST when it starts for the year
[12:04] <head_victim> Ok, and loco.u.c just dropped you both as admins again
[12:04] <jaddi27> Yes, I saw that. It is a fun system to use
[12:06] <head_victim> Ok, but as long as people set events at the right time and we set the team default and irc to the -10 (with an explanation of why) the other events with different tz should work still?
[12:09] <jaddi27> I think so. I am still to read that section of code, but I assume that would be the case
[12:10] <jaddi27> head_victim, I think you added us to the wrong section - We should be admins, not contacts
[12:12] <head_victim> Sorry, also updated the irc and team defaults to the -10
[12:13] <head_victim> Oh and TAH DAH it's put your wiki jam at 1030 :)
[12:13] <head_victim> And the irc meeting at 2000 correctly
[12:13] <jaddi27> I just changed it to be that
[12:13] <jaddi27> so the wiki jam is not quite a good test
[12:19] <head_victim> Just waiting for my google calendar to update to see if it works
[12:22] <jaddi27> The ical feed has definitely changed in places, so it might be better
[12:28] <head_victim> Still showing up wrong in my google but it might take a little while to propagate.
[12:33] <jaddi27> Yes, hard to know. The meeting next weekend is correct on my calendar, but this weekend's events are wrong still
[12:43] <head_victim> I guess we'll just wait and see for a day or so
[12:44] <head_victim> Ah the team meeting is set at EST
[12:44] <head_victim> Not sure what EST that is referring to though.
[12:44] <head_victim> I know EST has several tz uses
[12:45] <head_victim> And it's dropped the admins again :/
[12:47] <jaddi27> I have a feeling EST is Brisbane in this case - You can set a timezone when you create a meeting, or use the Team Default, and for the March meeting I selected Australia/Brisbane
[12:48] <head_victim> EST would be less confusing than UTC-10
[12:49] <jaddi27> Yes, certainly would be
[12:50] <head_victim> Ok, changed them both to EST, seemed to work for sagaci
[12:52] <jaddi27> So the timezone for the team is now Australia/Brisbane? or was there an EST option?
[12:52] <head_victim> EST option
[12:53] <jaddi27> ok
[12:53] <jaddi27> something like Australia/EST ?
[12:53] <head_victim> Nah it was just EST but there was also an EST5EDT which may be the other EST I knew of
[12:54] <jaddi27> Ok
[12:55] <head_victim> I'll stop playing with it now, honest ;)
[12:56] <jaddi27> head_victim, 'EST' translates to -5000
[12:56] <jaddi27> so that is not quite right
[12:56] <head_victim> Well how was it working then? sagaci had that set for his Sydney event
[12:57] <head_victim> Ok, so utc-10 for now and I'll put it to the list to set a specific location for the team and irc channel going into the future?
[13:05] <head_victim> jaddi27: I've put them all back to ETC/GMT-10
[13:06] <jaddi27> Ok
[13:06] <head_victim> If that doesn't work we can move them to EST
[13:06] <head_victim> No idea why but the ones sagaci set using them work perfect on my ical
[13:06] <head_victim> Maybe the tz translation is easier for that format or something
[13:06] <jaddi27> Australia/Sydney also shows up as EST
[13:07] <head_victim> I couldn't find a definitive list on the pytz website though
[13:07] <jaddi27> So I think he might have selected that timezone, and I used Australia/Brisbane for the March meeting, and that is why
[13:07] <jaddi27> I have been testing it out in the console - that is the only way I could find in my brief searches