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| diplo | Morning all | 08:00 |
|---|---|---|
| jacobw | morning diplo | 08:18 |
| shookees | Hey! :) | 09:18 |
| popey | Morning all | 09:39 |
| AlanBell | morning | 09:43 |
| * AlanBell wonders if Ubuntu will run on a Qualcomm MSM 8260A/8960 Snapdragon S4 Krait Dual-core 1.5Ghz CPU | 09:43 | |
| christel | good morning alans :) | 09:47 |
| === exaem|zzz is now known as exaem | ||
| AlanBell | ooh our new freepbx thing thinks # is a pound sign | 10:49 |
| AlanBell | good morning christel | 10:49 |
| diplo | + | 10:52 |
| AlanBell | http://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/vm-instructions.wav that is better | 10:56 |
| diplo | What the states call the pound sign isn't it | 11:01 |
| AlanBell | apparenly it was once an abbreviation for lbs the old weight unit of measure | 11:03 |
| AlanBell | that the Americans still use to break satellites with etc | 11:04 |
| mattt | morning all | 11:04 |
| diplo | morning mattt | 11:08 |
| AlanBell | hash key installed \o/ | 11:14 |
| brobostigon | good morning everyone. | 11:42 |
| MartijnVdS | \o | 11:43 |
| brobostigon | o/ | 11:43 |
| daubers | o/ | 11:43 |
| MartijnVdS | o// o// \\o \\o | 11:43 |
| brobostigon | eeek, what happened there on bbc news 24, they killed click, half way through, and why has the weather came on. ? | 11:44 |
| brobostigon | ohdear, seems some minion pressed the wrong button. | 11:45 |
| mattt | yo diplo | 12:17 |
| mattt | well, off to homebase for paint | 12:17 |
| * mattt is doing the DIY thing today :-/ | 12:17 | |
| diplo | Tuesday for me :) | 12:17 |
| popey | do we have a sane way to install skype on ubuntu 12.04 yet? | 12:33 |
| popey | AlanBell / ali1234 ? | 12:33 |
| AlanBell | no | 12:38 |
| AlanBell | we have two equivalent not-sane ways | 12:38 |
| AlanBell | either the 64bit package from natty, or the 32 bit package from oneiric | 12:38 |
| AlanBell | each installs the same version, which works, and a heap of :i386 libs, which dpkg sometimes removes and re-adds for no apparent reason | 12:39 |
| diplo | Anyone know if dotdeb is a safe/ok place to install packages from ? | 12:41 |
| MartijnVdS | diplo: What do you need from them? | 12:42 |
| diplo | php5-fpm for lucid | 12:42 |
| diplo | https://launchpad.net/~nginx/+archive/php5.3 | 12:46 |
| diplo | seems nginx team are doing something for it already | 12:46 |
| popey | AlanBell: ugh, ta | 12:47 |
| * AlanBell starts a hangout on G+ | 12:51 | |
| daubers | uh oh | 12:51 |
| ali1234 | popey: just send them this link: http://archive.canonical.com/pool/partner/s/skype/skype_2.2.0.35-0oneiric2_i386.deb | 12:58 |
| ali1234 | the bug with software center is fixed | 12:58 |
| brobostigon | eeek, G+ was crawling there. | 13:05 |
| AlanBell | it was a bit, but we could see you, it was mostly static images though | 13:07 |
| brobostigon | yes, | 13:07 |
| brobostigon | aswell as it being on my eeepc, so somewhat resource limited. | 13:10 |
| brobostigon | AlanBell: and nice hat, :) | 13:10 |
| * MartijnVdS is setting up rrdtool/collectd on an old AP | 13:10 | |
| MartijnVdS | which will also get temparature/pressure data from a sensor connected to an arduino :) | 13:11 |
| brobostigon | :) | 13:11 |
| cliftonts | That's better! | 13:46 |
| cliftonts | I managed to lose the channel | 13:46 |
| cliftonts | so who's about then? | 13:54 |
| * penguin42 yawns | 13:54 | |
| cliftonts | well said | 13:54 |
| daubers | o/ | 13:56 |
| cliftonts | well, this is exciting isn't it? | 13:59 |
| penguin42 | terribly | 13:59 |
| cliftonts | i wonder where they've all gone | 14:00 |
| daubers | lunch time probably | 14:00 |
| alexcockell | Sorry guys... | 14:01 |
| cliftonts | why? what have you done? | 14:02 |
| alexcockell | Nothing... just been browsing... mostly lurking.. | 14:05 |
| cliftonts | I'm at work but it's pretty quiet here too so I'm twiddling my thumbs | 14:05 |
| cliftonts | I'm not even sure how to tell if I've been disconnected when it's this quiet! | 14:29 |
| SuperEngineer | o/ | 14:36 |
| SuperEngineer | sssssh | 14:36 |
| cliftonts | oh look! Life! | 14:42 |
| SuperEngineer | [as Marvin said] life... don't talk to me life. Here I am, brain the size of a planet.... ;) | 14:44 |
| daubers | !ping | 14:45 |
| lubotu3 | another contentless ping... sigh... | 14:45 |
| SuperEngineer | [whoops - that should be... "me *about* life"] (sorry Mr. Adams | 14:46 |
| SuperEngineer | !ping Marvin | 14:46 |
| SuperEngineer | [that got the bot!] | 14:47 |
| SuperEngineer | dear lubotu3 - thanks for your | 14:50 |
| SuperEngineer | pm - Sorry, I don't know anything about 'ping Marvin' | 14:50 |
| * AlanBell reboots SuperEngineer | 14:50 | |
| SuperEngineer | click click | 14:51 |
| MartijnVdS | AlanBell: I think you broke his ZIP drive | 14:51 |
| SuperEngineer | ;) | 14:51 |
| AlanBell | if people are bored feel free to join #ubuntu-accessibility where we are doing some work on fictional persona documents, profiles of people who use accessibility tools | 14:52 |
| cliftonts | afternoon AlanBell | 14:52 |
| AlanBell | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Accessibility/Personas | 14:52 |
| AlanBell | and specifically http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/simon | 14:52 |
| ali1234 | AlanBell: did you see that thing i linked the other day | 15:49 |
| ali1234 | vinuxproject.org | 15:50 |
| ali1234 | i'm just wondering why they have a seperate project | 15:53 |
| popey | thats been going for quite a while | 15:55 |
| brunogirin | ali1234: reading the accessibility list, I'd say that's because they feel that Ubuntu doesn't put enough emphasis on accessibility | 15:56 |
| AlanBell | basically because they can make a different compromise in that project | 16:06 |
| AlanBell | in the main Ubuntu the design team dream up some new visual crack and it gets in | 16:06 |
| AlanBell | then later on someone tells them how broken it is and we set about fixing it | 16:06 |
| AlanBell | stuff like the global menu, *everything* is a checkbox menu item | 16:07 |
| AlanBell | visually it all looks like normal menus, but it is rather broken for screen readers (there is a fix landing soon to set the hints so they look like the right type of items to screen readers) | 16:08 |
| AlanBell | stuff like the HUD arrives without being readable | 16:09 |
| AlanBell | the hold super to get a list of shortcuts is non keyboard focussable so orca users have no hope of getting to it | 16:09 |
| SuperEngineer | thought... include shortcuts as a main document in home folder. A document is readable to screen reader. | 16:12 |
| AlanBell | sure, there are ways of doing alternatives and workarounds | 16:13 |
| AlanBell | a static document doesn't cut it because the overlay updates if you change the shortcuts | 16:13 |
| SuperEngineer | [include mthe document in Update Manager? | 16:14 |
| SuperEngineer | *the | 16:14 |
| AlanBell | yeah, there are any number of places it could have been put, but it is broken by design | 16:15 |
| AlanBell | in orca preferences there is a keybindings page with most shortcuts on it | 16:16 |
| AlanBell | but that isn't really the point. The shortcuts overlay is a new feature that landed with zero thought whatsoever that it might be totally inaccessible | 16:16 |
| SuperEngineer | that's a whoops then.... will put brain to work for better idea | 16:17 |
| brunogirin | AlanBell: I see that sort of problems all the time with web site design; it's actually quite a difficult nut to crack! | 16:19 |
| brunogirin | even with guidelines line WCAG, which you don't have in desktop UI design | 16:19 |
| AlanBell | sure, it can be hard | 16:19 |
| SuperEngineer | hmmm... what about a long key press in Orca causing playback of a shortcut list audio file? | 16:19 |
| brunogirin | maybe that could be something to do? create a UCAG for Ubuntu UI design? | 16:19 |
| AlanBell | the thing is the gnome framework does actually work, you have to go out of your way to break it | 16:19 |
| brunogirin | which Unity does s | 16:21 |
| brunogirin | as it's all under the hood | 16:21 |
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| AlanBell | yeah, stuff like the dash and lenses are not treeview widgets althought they look a bit like one, the launcher isn't standard, the global menu abuses the menu items etc. | 16:22 |
| AlanBell | it is kind of fixable mostly, but would be nice if it was designed in from the start | 16:23 |
| brunogirin | agreed but finding good developers with accessibility experience is hard | 16:25 |
| AlanBell | yeah, which is why I want to get more general awareness of the requirement and how to test things with orca | 16:27 |
| AlanBell | you don't need to be blind to find out your application is broken for blind users | 16:27 |
| brunogirin | true but having seen how a blind user uses a computer helps a lot with understanding the issues | 16:27 |
| AlanBell | or visually impaired users like Simon http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/simon | 16:28 |
| brunogirin | I never understood them until I saw Robin Christopherson from AbilityNet do a talk at a conference | 16:28 |
| AlanBell | http://ubuntuaccessibility.wordpress.com/2011/04/06/meet-daniela/ our blind persona | 16:28 |
| penguin42 | AlanBell: I'm curious about the ubuntu-won't boot without a monitor | 16:34 |
| AlanBell | penguin42: that is worth a re-test with a live CD | 16:35 |
| cliftonts | wow! what happened while I was gone? | 16:39 |
| ahayzen | Is the Compiz Enhanced Zoom enabled by default in 12.04 or do you have to start it via CCSM or System Settings? | 16:49 |
| Azelphur | how do you flush DNS in Ubuntu? Every single guide seems to tell me to install a caching deamon first which seems stupid xD | 16:58 |
| cliftonts | As far as I'm aware it's enabled but there are no key combinations enabled for it | 16:58 |
| AlanBell | ahayzen: just checking now | 16:58 |
| penguin42 | Azelphur: on 12.04 there is already a cache installed | 16:58 |
| Azelphur | on 11.10? | 16:58 |
| ahayzen | AlanBell: thanks was just wondering | 16:58 |
| Azelphur | maybe it's my router doing the caching :P | 16:59 |
| penguin42 | Azelphur: Not by default; and I don't think there is any DNS caching at all - hmm | 16:59 |
| Azelphur | well actually something is weird, because I've edited my hosts file and it's still resolving bad info | 17:00 |
| MartijnVdS | Azelphur: Processes only read /etc/hosts and /etc/resolv.conf once | 17:01 |
| AlanBell | ahayzen: yes, cliftonts is right, the plugin is turned on but there are no bindings set which is a bit useless | 17:01 |
| Azelphur | MartijnVdS: yea, I'm running dig and getting the old results | 17:01 |
| MartijnVdS | Azelphur: so you might need to restart the process that's doing the lookup | 17:01 |
| MartijnVdS | Azelphur: ah, caching NS? :) | 17:01 |
| Azelphur | dig is a run once thing, it doesn't stay open | 17:01 |
| Azelphur | *shrug* | 17:01 |
| MartijnVdS | Hm, cool. Channel tunnel gets GSM by July. | 17:02 |
| ahayzen | AlanBell: weird, in oneiric I had to add my on key combo... I usually go for Super+Button 4 | 17:02 |
| AlanBell | ahayzen: yeah, me too, super+button4/button5 to zoom out | 17:02 |
| AlanBell | I will see if that can be set up by default if you turn on zoom in the accessibility settings thing | 17:02 |
| Azelphur | MartijnVdS: *shrug* if I've edited hosts though there's no cache that should override that? | 17:03 |
| MartijnVdS | Azelphur: dig doesn't look at /etc/hosts, only at DNS | 17:03 |
| Azelphur | MartijnVdS: derp :D | 17:03 |
| MartijnVdS | ¯\(°_o)/¯ | 17:04 |
| ahayzen | AlanBell: In 11.10 i get 'No shortcut set' from the Universal Access... so how is the user supposed to enable this? | 17:04 |
| AlanBell | ahayzen: with ccsm right now | 17:05 |
| ahayzen | thats not the best solution really is it? ... As CCSM comes up with that warning at startup in 12.04? | 17:05 |
| AlanBell | no it is a pathetic solution | 17:06 |
| * AlanBell bzr branches gnome-control-centre | 17:06 | |
| ali1234 | all compiz bindings are messed up on 12.04 right now | 17:06 |
| ali1234 | i can't even switch workspaces from the keyboard | 17:06 |
| penguin42 | ali1234: Have you tried windows-ctrl-arrow (rather than alt?) | 17:09 |
| AlanBell | ali1234: ctrl+alt+cursor | 17:09 |
| penguin42 | AlanBell: I thought 12.04 had changed away from ctrl? | 17:09 |
| AlanBell | I think they might have had problems with things taking control of super from the nux layer | 17:09 |
| AlanBell | unity is rather greedy when it comes to grabbing keys | 17:10 |
| * ahayzen wishes Gnome-control-centre was in python | 17:13 | |
| ali1234 | yeah none of that stuff works | 17:14 |
| ali1234 | e-zoom doesn't work either | 17:14 |
| ahayzen | ali1234: I thought this was supposed to be an LTS release with everything being stable and fixed? | 17:15 |
| ali1234 | i think the idea of stable releases was abandoned about a year ago | 17:16 |
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| ahayzen | what when Unity was released for the Desktop? | 17:16 |
| penguin42 | ahayzen: Stable isn't quite the same as all fixed | 17:16 |
| AlanBell | ahayzen: it is not released yet | 17:17 |
| AlanBell | the last LTS did not have unity in it | 17:17 |
| brunogirin | hence why we are here | 17:17 |
| ali1234 | there is still a bug in natty that effectively crashes the machine and forces a reset, and it can't be fixed because unity has no same development history | 17:17 |
| ahayzen | But its in Beta ... i guess there is a month and a bit | 17:17 |
| ali1234 | only the latest version on unity ever gets any work done on it, and none of that work can be backported to the supposed "stable" release | 17:18 |
| penguin42 | ali1234: If it crashes the machine that's not unity's fault - that's the graphics driver | 17:18 |
| penguin42 | (or kernel) | 17:18 |
| ali1234 | penguin42: it crashes the machine because unity gets confused and stops accepting input | 17:18 |
| ali1234 | it is absolutely 100% unity's fault, and nobody knows how it got fixed, and the change that fixes it can't be applied to the version on natty because it's so different | 17:19 |
| gord | ^^ all nonsense | 17:19 |
| AlanBell | gosh that whole chunk of universal access settings is all about gnome-magnifier which we don't ship | 17:19 |
| ali1234 | you can of course go and read the bug report if you want to | 17:19 |
| ahayzen | AlanBell: Thats not good right? | 17:20 |
| AlanBell | ahayzen: not great, and indeed this is .c files :~/ | 17:21 |
| ahayzen | I should really learn C aswell as Python ... but coursework comes first :( | 17:21 |
| AlanBell | the .ui files are xml things, probably should be edited with some version of glade, but I never seem to have the same version of glade that has been used to create the UI files | 17:21 |
| brunogirin | AlanBell: well, like most of GNOME TBH | 17:22 |
| AlanBell | wonder if it all works if you have gnome-mag installed | 17:23 |
| ali1234 | bug 826059 | 17:24 |
| lubotu3 | Launchpad bug 826059 in unity (Ubuntu) "unity gets stuck in 'expose' mode when you drag an icon over a launcher icon and hold it there" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/826059 | 17:24 |
| ali1234 | ^ apparently this bug is all nonsense | 17:24 |
| ali1234 | "it never happened" | 17:24 |
| mgdm | How do I move the Unity dock to the right of the screen? It's not obvious... | 18:11 |
| mgdm | (I'm not sure if I mean 'dock' or 'launcher' or something else) | 18:12 |
| mgdm | Oh, you can't. Brilliant. | 18:13 |
| SuperEngineer | Anyone found a way of including G+ in Gwibber yet? | 18:16 |
| DJones | http://iloveubuntu.net/gwibber-receive-google-plugin-probably-ubuntu-1204 looks like its not ready yet | 18:18 |
| ahayzen | I though the G+ API was read-only at the moment? | 18:22 |
| SuperEngineer | according to bug #805452 - it is still reads only | 18:23 |
| lubotu3 | Launchpad bug 805452 in Gwibber "Add Google+ Service to Gwibber" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/805452 | 18:23 |
| SuperEngineer | [my opinion is that G+ thinks revenue is endangered if other apps have access] | 18:26 |
| DJones | AlanBell: Have you seen the last email to the list? | 18:31 |
| AlanBell | yes | 18:32 |
| DJones | I did wonder if that was part of your testing | 18:32 |
| DJones | to see what responses it got | 18:32 |
| AlanBell | there are a few reports of it starting muted, I have had it happen to me, I will go find the bugs in a bit | 18:33 |
| * brunogirin rearranged gmail folders, now thunderbird is synchronising 10k messages: oops! | 18:55 | |
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| * AlanBell slaps unity and the HUD | 19:50 | |
| AlanBell | if you turn off the key to show the HUD so alt doesn't get pinched by unity when you are using virtual machines it breaks alt+prtscr | 19:50 |
| ali1234 | did it also break your workspace switching? | 19:51 |
| AlanBell | no | 19:53 |
| MartijnVdS | ali1234: no that's the remapping of Ctrl+Alt+arrows to Super+Shift+arrows | 19:53 |
| MartijnVdS | automagically | 19:53 |
| MartijnVdS | for some weird reason | 19:53 |
| ali1234 | ah | 19:54 |
| ali1234 | yeah that works | 19:54 |
| * MartijnVdS mapped them back | 19:55 | |
| AlanBell | it was super+shift+arrows for me yesterday | 19:55 |
| tombrough | apt-get install xfce ;-) | 19:57 |
| ali1234 | why? | 19:57 |
| tombrough | anything to get away from unity .... | 19:57 |
| ali1234 | if i wanted to use a barely supported and out of date desktop... i'd use gnome fallback | 19:57 |
| tombrough | each to his own ... | 19:58 |
| ali1234 | how do i configure this new dnsmasq stuff? | 19:58 |
| MartijnVdS | dpkg --purge dnsmasq | 19:58 |
| ali1234 | i don't think that will help | 19:58 |
| MartijnVdS | My system works fine without it | 19:59 |
| ali1234 | i want to configure a dns server for specific domain | 19:59 |
| MartijnVdS | I don't see what it adds | 19:59 |
| MartijnVdS | it breaks bits of ipv6 | 19:59 |
| ali1234 | i don't use ipv6 | 19:59 |
| MartijnVdS | dnsmasq is a dhcp server.. why are they installing dhcp servers on all machines? | 19:59 |
| ali1234 | wrong | 20:00 |
| ali1234 | clue is in name | 20:00 |
| MartijnVdS | "Dnsmasq is a lightweight, easy to configure, DNS forwarder and DHCP server." | 20:00 |
| MartijnVdS | from apt-cache show | 20:00 |
| MartijnVdS | Description-en: Small caching DNS proxy and DHCP/TFTP server | 20:00 |
| ali1234 | DNS forwarder | 20:00 |
| MartijnVdS | No, also a server. | 20:00 |
| ali1234 | so how do i configure it? | 20:00 |
| MartijnVdS | by editing a file in /etc? | 20:00 |
| ali1234 | which one? | 20:01 |
| MartijnVdS | dnsmasq.conf? | 20:01 |
| ali1234 | does not exist | 20:01 |
| MartijnVdS | maybe in one of the pre/post up/down-scripts in /etc/network/ | 20:01 |
| MartijnVdS | uhr s/scripts/dirs | 20:01 |
| ali1234 | --conf-file=/var/run/nm-dns-dnsmasq.conf | 20:01 |
| ali1234 | so i need to patch network manager probably | 20:02 |
| AlanBell | http://www.stgraber.org/2012/02/24/dns-in-ubuntu-12-04/ | 20:02 |
| ali1234 | that should be easy enough | 20:02 |
| ali1234 | yeah that page doesn't answer any of my questions at all | 20:02 |
| AlanBell | ok so ask stgraber | 20:03 |
| ali1234 | where can i find him? ;) | 20:04 |
| MartijnVdS | Canada. | 20:04 |
| AlanBell | stgraber is here | 20:04 |
| ali1234 | will it obey extra configs in /etc/dnsmasq.d? | 20:04 |
| ali1234 | one way to find out i guess | 20:05 |
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| ali1234 | looks like it doesn't | 20:10 |
| jpds | ali1234: http://www.stgraber.org/2012/02/24/dns-in-ubuntu-12-04/ | 20:10 |
| MartijnVdS | ali1234: configure the interface in /etc/network/interfaces so n-m doesn't pick it up | 20:10 |
| ali1234 | no | 20:10 |
| MartijnVdS | then you can use whatever you want | 20:10 |
| ali1234 | i don't want to configure an interface | 20:10 |
| ali1234 | i don't want to configure my stuff manually | 20:10 |
| ali1234 | this is not 1997 | 20:10 |
| ali1234 | i just want to add an extra DNS server for a specific domain | 20:11 |
| ali1234 | i just need to get two extra lines into the dnsmasq configuration somehow | 20:11 |
| MartijnVdS | But.. configuring things is for POWER USERS and Ubuntu is not for them! </design_team> | 20:11 |
| dwatkins | haha | 20:11 |
| ali1234 | yes, configuring interfaces manually is for power users | 20:12 |
| dwatkins | doing it from the command line is old skool | 20:12 |
| jpds | dwatkins: No, we have nm-tool for doing that. | 20:12 |
| dwatkins | ah ok, jpds | 20:12 |
| ali1234 | you lot are worse than me | 20:15 |
| ali1234 | so i can patch this into networ-manager | 20:25 |
| penguin42 | nm-cli lets you bring stuff up and down from the command line; not sure what else you can do from the command line; you could tweek /etc/NetworkManager - but I'm not sure how much is changeable from the config files | 20:28 |
| ali1234 | nothing, all the dnsmasq config is hardcoded or comes from an autogenerated config file which is also hard coded | 20:28 |
| ali1234 | oh hang on whats this "any other random configs" sounds like what i need | 20:29 |
| ali1234 | but where does tjhat come from? | 20:30 |
| MartijnVdS | (this is why I removed dnsmasq) | 20:31 |
| ali1234 | wah wah wah | 20:31 |
| ali1234 | you removed dnsmasq because you are too afraid to read source code? | 20:31 |
| penguin42 | ali1234: My /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf has a line dns=dnsmasq I guess taking that out might do it? | 20:32 |
| ali1234 | might do what? | 20:32 |
| ali1234 | i dont want to disable dnsmasq | 20:32 |
| penguin42 | oh, someone did | 20:32 |
| penguin42 | oh, you wanted to add some stuff didn't you - hmm | 20:32 |
| ali1234 | i want to actually, you know, use it | 20:32 |
| penguin42 | ali1234: I'd try and stop nm starting it's own | 20:34 |
| ali1234 | then i will have to start it manually myself | 20:34 |
| penguin42 | nod | 20:34 |
| ali1234 | and make sure it is always running | 20:34 |
| ali1234 | otherwise no internet | 20:34 |
| penguin42 | I'd assume it can be made to start at boot | 20:35 |
| ali1234 | looks like i need to make a plugin. sounds easy enough | 20:36 |
| penguin42 | is the Ubuntu dnsmasq thing hacked in or done as a plugin? | 20:37 |
| popey | Evening all. | 20:48 |
| MartijnVdS | \o mr Pope | 20:48 |
| popey | ooh! you! | 20:49 |
| popey | i have a friend moving to .nl soon | 20:49 |
| MartijnVdS | Good choice :) | 20:49 |
| popey | can I give him your email addy for help if he has any localisation issues? | 20:49 |
| popey | ☺ | 20:49 |
| MartijnVdS | Assuming he's done his basic homework, sure :) | 20:50 |
| popey | like which broadband provider, that kind of local issues | 20:50 |
| popey | he was looking it up but it was all in hurdy gurdy language | 20:50 |
| MartijnVdS | Broadband depends a lot on location. And whether he also wants TV, phone, etc. | 20:51 |
| popey | yeah, details I am unaware of | 20:51 |
| popey | he's got a week to find a place | 20:51 |
| MartijnVdS | anyway, sure :) | 20:51 |
| popey | and its his first week at work | 20:51 |
| popey | he has a relocation company who should do everything for him | 20:51 |
| popey | but always nice to have a 2nd opinion from a local ☺ | 20:51 |
| MartijnVdS | popey: funda.nl + Google translate ;) | 20:52 |
| MartijnVdS | (if only.. :)) | 20:52 |
| christel | IK WIL EEN OPBLAASSCHAAP | 21:24 |
| * christel communicates with MartijnVdS | 21:24 | |
| Azelphur | google translates that as "I want an inflatable sheep" XD | 21:24 |
| christel | \o/ | 21:25 |
| christel | that is indeed what i said :D | 21:25 |
| Azelphur | rofl, I agree with your motives and wish to join your cause. | 21:25 |
| christel | wooo | 21:25 |
| * DJones offers a pin | 21:25 | |
| * Azelphur wears pin with pride | 21:28 | |
| christel | hehe | 21:28 |
| daftykins | that pin won't mix well with inflatable sheep | 21:42 |
| mgdm | wt | 21:44 |
| mgdm | f | 21:44 |
| mgdm | that was a hell of a moment to reattach irssi | 21:44 |
| daftykins | :D | 21:45 |
| daftykins | as was it for i | 21:45 |
| christel | haha | 21:52 |
| czajkowski | aloha | 22:45 |
| daftykins | yo | 22:46 |
| tombrough | will the raspberry pi really make a difference ? will kids be enthused to learn programming or will they simply go back to their xbox, playstation or wii? | 22:46 |
| daftykins | imo all kids have laptops these days so i doubt it'll change anything | 22:50 |
| popey | evening | 22:54 |
| daftykins | hi | 22:54 |
| tombrough | perhaps instead of introducing another gadget, perhaps we should ban all game consoles.... if you want to play games fine ... but you will have to write them first.... | 22:55 |
| daftykins | *shudder* | 22:56 |
| daftykins | can you just do that after GTA V is out please? | 22:56 |
| popey | i think the rpi has a certain niche possibility | 22:56 |
| tombrough | but its very doubtful that it will actually achieve its primary purpose of introducing more kids to programming. | 22:57 |
| popey | i am optimistic | 22:58 |
| * andypiper jumps up and down saying "me too" | 22:59 | |
| andypiper | it definitely needs a nice curriculum and tools behind it | 22:59 |
| andypiper | (evening all) | 22:59 |
| tombrough | we need course ware, teachers and national curriculum that promotes and enthuses programming rather than office "productivity" tools. | 22:59 |
| andypiper | indeed - and we are working on the course ware | 22:59 |
| tombrough | but the pi and its software will not provide that silver bullet it cannot work on its own it needs a co-ordinated strategy. At my school (in the 80's) we had plenty of BBC Micros but no teachers ... it worked for me because when it came to learning about computers I was self motivated, but these are much different times. | 23:02 |
| andypiper | there are things afoot which cannot yet be spoken of | 23:03 |
| tombrough | ? | 23:05 |
| * penguin42 wonders if andypiper is really slardybartfarst | 23:35 | |
| penguin42 | I don't really see how the PI will help teach programming TBH | 23:38 |
| andypiper | on its own - it won't. But it is affordable -> greater accessibility. The rest requires curriculum and support | 23:58 |
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