[00:01] <spacebug-> dont know. Probably driver problems
[00:01] <ironhalik> MCR1: also, cat /home/your_user_name/.xsession-errors
[00:06] <MCR1> ironhalik: that was a long output :)
[00:06] <ironhalik> uh, you can 'tail -30' it :>
[00:06] <ironhalik> or open it with gedit or sth
[00:07] <MCR1> ok
[00:10] <spacebug-> MCR1: it seems that int3 is a breakpoint. Like if compiz was running in debug mode
[00:12] <MCR1> spacebug-: I used my 11.10 compizconfig configuration and copied my old home dir, maybe that is causing incompatibilities...
[00:13] <MCR1> spacebug-: ** WARNING **: Trying to register gtype 'GMountMountFlags' as enum when in fact it is of type 'GFlags'
[00:13] <spacebug-> what version of compiz do you use?
[00:14] <MCR1> Compiz 0.9.7.0
[00:14] <MCR1> the warning I posted above is from .xsession-errors
[00:15] <MCR1> after that another warning of this type, then the crash...
[00:16] <spacebug-> MCR1: see this chat http://pastebin.com/cD8eigVe
[00:17] <spacebug-> so, because you are running 12.04 BETA 1 or you have some PPA for compiz it is built with debugging on
[00:17] <spacebug-> and for some reason you hit that part of the code that triggers the int 3
[00:17] <spacebug-> might be bad drivers or something else..
[00:18] <spacebug-> of course you could try removeing/resettign the config
[00:18] <MCR1> spacebug-: thx a lot for your help. now I am a bit wiser. still hard to cope with it. gotta fix that.
[00:19] <spacebug-> yeah enoying of cours
[00:19] <spacebug-> e
[00:19] <MCR1> compiz is 0.9.7.0~bzr3025-r3034-p737~precise1
[00:20] <levu> hi, if i apt-get remove network-manager and set the /etc/network/interfaces to http://pastie.org/3514944 then the machine can't connect to the network on startup and it displays "waiting for network configuration..."
[00:20] <levu> what am i doing wrong? i want to set a static IP (w/o GUI)
[00:21] <MCR1> Is there a way to get in contact with actual compiz/unity developers as it seems that the compiz project outside Ubuntu is asleep... ?
[00:21] <chelz> MCR1: you can check the copyright file
[00:22] <MCR1> chelz: ?
[00:22] <chelz> hm
[00:22] <chelz> nvm
[00:23] <chelz> MCR1: http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/c/compiz/compiz_0.8.6-0ubuntu9/compiz.copyright
[00:23] <chelz> from http://packages.ubuntu.com/maverick/compiz -> "copyright file". so yeah that's from maverick, since newer compiz releases don't seem to have one
[00:24] <zzecool> i think something broke vlc
[00:24] <zzecool> is anyone able to play anything with vlc?
[00:24] <FernandoMiguel> I am
[00:25] <spacebug-> levu: seems correct
[00:25] <zzecool> can you try it now
[00:25] <FernandoMiguel> $ apt-cache policy vlc
[00:25] <FernandoMiguel>   Installed: 2.0.0-4
[00:25] <glosoli> zzecool: it brokes Xorg ?
[00:25] <zzecool> i have the same
[00:25] <zzecool> it hungs
[00:25] <FernandoMiguel> zzecool: it works for me
[00:25] <zzecool> and i have to kill -9 it
[00:25] <glosoli> hmm
[00:25] <glosoli> ;D
[00:25] <FernandoMiguel> I'm getting that with totem
[00:25] <FernandoMiguel> on some movies
[00:25] <spacebug-> levu: sure it is eth0 ?
[00:25] <zzecool> strange used to play perfectly
[00:26] <zzecool> like before yesterday
[00:27] <MCR1> zzecool: vlc is broken here as well (v2.1.0 git)
[00:27] <zzecool> MCR1: im using the 2.0.0.0-4
[00:27] <zzecool> but
[00:28] <zzecool> i tried 2.1.0
[00:28] <zzecool> too
[00:28] <zzecool> with the same results
[00:28] <zzecool> just hungs
[00:28] <zzecool> MCR1: its not the vlc its something else in ubunut that cause the problems
[00:28] <MCR1> seems to be a recent update as it played recently...
[00:28] <zzecool> ubuntu*
[00:28] <zzecool> MCR1: indeed
[00:30] <levu> spacebug-: yes, it's eth0
[00:31] <levu> spacebug-: at least it's eth0 when i start the system with network manager enabled
[00:31] <spacebug-> what dowa 'ifconfig -a' in a terminal give you?
[00:31] <spacebug-> does*
[00:33] <levu> spacebug-: eth0 and lo (when network manager is enabled, when it's not i can't get into the system)
[00:34] <levu> it's a vm and all i have is ssh, if it doesn't work i have to restore it from backup :D
[00:35] <spacebug-> hum
[00:36] <spacebug-> levu: anything in the logs?
[00:37] <levu> spacebug-: don't know, i don't get into the machine after rebooting :/
[00:38] <spacebug-> oh yeah
[00:44] <levu> so i just added a second network interface, configured this one via /etc/network/interfaces and the other is (hopefully) configured with network-manager, but on startup there's still the message "Waiting for network configuration..."
[00:46] <spacebug-> levu: I started my virtual machine running 12.04 and removed package network-manager and changed my /etc/network/interfaces to look  like yours (but my numbers for network) and it works great
[00:47] <levu> weird...
[00:47] <spacebug-> maybe you have networknamager handle something more that f-ups when you uninstall it
[00:49] <levu> i just tried to configure it with the interfaces without removing network manager and it works
[00:50] <spacebug-> hum
[00:50] <spacebug-> but since that is still running it takes over anyway?
[00:51] <Russ_W_> I have tested 12.04 Beta 1 64 bit Live CD and can only get to web sites by typing the IP address.  Has anyone else seen this issue?
[00:51] <tr33m4n> Russ_W_, does it happen with any other computer on your network?
[00:51] <Russ_W_> tr33m4n: no all other PC's are fine
[00:51] <levu> spacebug-: seems if network-manager doesn't try to configure interfaces if there is an entry in the interfaces
[00:52] <spacebug-> levu: ok. So then it could work as an ugly hack till you figure out the real resaon =)
[00:52] <levu> spacebug-: yes :) thx for your help :)
[00:53] <spacebug-> yw
[00:53] <tr33m4n> Russ_W_, well I'm not entirely sure, try installing instead :p
[00:53] <Fyodorovna> Russ_W_, what is the card for lan and wireless?
[00:54] <Russ_W_> tr33m4n: lol, it's the mrs win7 PC I'd be dead meat lol
[00:54] <snadge> hmm.. audio corrupion in minecraft
[00:54] <spacebug-> Russ_W_: on the other PC:s have you set them up manually when it comes to IP / DNS ?
[00:54] <snadge> unless you kill pulseaudio and restart minecraft
[00:55] <Russ_W_> Fyodorovna: I will have to go look, it is an HP desktop with all onboard nics...I will go look
[00:55] <snadge> need to stop release of 12.04 until minecraft works perfectly ;)
[00:55] <snadge> and the fglrx driver is fixed
[00:55] <Fyodorovna> Russ_W_, lspci in the terminal wiil list stuff.
[00:55] <Fyodorovna> will*
[00:56] <Russ_W_> spacebug-: No, automagic setup of devices and drivers, never had to mess with anything
[00:56] <tr33m4n> snadge, some interesting things are happening to Java support at the mo, I wouldn't hold your breath
[00:56] <Russ_W_> Fyodorovna: going to look now...
[00:56] <snadge> the bugs arn't that numerous though
[00:57] <spacebug-> Russ_W_: ok. As you describe it it seems that there is something wrong with dns servers but that should be configured automatically. Same with ip adress
[00:57] <snadge> glitchy sound.. which is probably a pulseaudio issue.. and it crashes on exit.. which is just yucky more than it is a huge problem
[00:57] <tr33m4n> snadge, what jre are you using?
[00:57] <snadge> it seems to do it with all of them.. but at the momnet im on oracle 1.6u30
[00:58] <snadge> openjdk 6 or 7 makes no difference
[00:58] <snadge> as does oracle 7
[00:58] <itaylor57> snadge, have your tried oracle 7?
[00:58] <tr33m4n> snadge, well good to hear it works with openjdk anyway
[00:58] <snadge> yeah.. you have to manually update libwjgl to the latest version otherwise it wont even run with oracle 7 ;)
[00:59] <snadge> they all seem to repeatedly crash on exit though.. if i knew more about java / stack tracing etc.. perhaps having the minecraft source code would help, which we dont
[00:59] <snadge> it might be prudent to report it to mojang.. but they traditionally care little about the linux port.. surprising they still support it
[01:00] <snadge> if i had to guess.. Xorg has updated something which is causing it to crash/exception
[01:01] <tr33m4n> snadge, funny, I always thought Minecraft would be a game native to Linux, simply by the way it looks :p
[01:01] <snadge> also running it under compiz.. significantly reduces performance more than it used to.. unity2d less of an issue
[01:04] <snadge> just as well minecraft sucks now and im over it.. but the 1.2 update renewed interest for a few hours
[01:05] <tr33m4n> snadge, never touched it, saw many friends lose many hours over it though
[01:06] <Russ_W_> spacebug-:lspci outputs wired nic is Realtek RTL8101E/RTL8102E wireless is Ralink RT5390 (was not connected wireless at the time)
[01:08] <spacebug-> Russ_W_: well I don't know. If you get an ip and can browse the net using ip but not dns-names it seems the network interface works
[01:27] <Fyodorovna> Russ_W_, you need driver for those I believe.
[01:29] <Russ_W_> Thank you spacebug- Fyodorovna
[01:29] <spacebug-> yw
[01:30] <ChrisGagnon> Is there a liveCD for macbook pros?
[01:35] <Fyodorovna> ChrisGagnon, I believe so here is a link you will have to find the development version if there is one. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MactelSupportTeam/AppleIntelInstallation
[01:36] <Fyodorovna> ChrisGagnon, you might consider a release though really.
[01:37] <ChrisGagnon> I am at a global jam, with someone who wants to test it... we are using virtualbox now.
[01:38] <Raggs> sorry i have to ask, why ubuntu on a macbook pro?
[01:39] <jbicha> Raggs: why not?
[01:40] <Raggs> i can understand replacing XP Vista and even 7 with linux but dont see any advantage of using linux on a mac
[01:40] <Fyodorovna> ChrisGagnon, cool enjoy yourself now. :)
[01:41] <ChrisGagnon> Fyodorovna: thanks :)
[01:41] <jbicha> Raggs: there's quite a bit of Linux-specific software that doesn't run on OS X so if I had a Mac, I'd definitely do it
[01:41] <Fyodorovna> Raggs, it's not your mothers bsd. :)
[01:41] <Daekdroom> Why not buy a regular PC if you're going to install Linux?
[01:42] <Daekdroom> It's cheaper.
[01:42] <Raggs> exactly, save a few hundred
[01:42] <Fyodorovna> Daekdroom, some want to mutliboot probably.
[01:42] <Daekdroom> Well, there's that case.
[01:42] <Fyodorovna> I have a netbook tha is all Ican afford.
[01:42] <Daekdroom> The thing is, don't buy a Mac unless you need OS X.
[01:43] <Fyodorovna> Daekdroom, they just want to check it out.
[01:43] <Daekdroom> I never said they weren't :P
[01:43] <Daekdroom> One could, for example, buy a Mac before learning they prefer a Linux distro.
[01:44] <Raggs> hard to imagine
[01:44] <Fyodorovna> Raggs, dichotomies are all you understand?
[01:44] <jbicha> Raggs: some people have money and like Ubuntu any way :)
[01:45]  * spacebug- has money but I dont want a mac. I want ubuntu ant that is what I'm running on all my computers
[01:46] <Raggs> Fyodorovna, not at all, but i dont understand using a lesser OS on a mac
[01:46] <Fyodorovna> Raggs, lesser in the world opinion or yours?
[01:46] <Raggs> i would say both
[01:46] <Fyodorovna> Raggs, beep your wrong that is your opinion. :)
[01:47] <Fyodorovna> It certainly is not mine, a OS is  OS here.
[01:47] <Raggs> Fyodorovna, really, when did linux overtake OSx?
[01:47] <Raggs> i never said it as your opinion
[01:47] <bazhang> Raggs, how does this relate to bug fixing and the development release
[01:47] <Fyodorovna> Raggs, does not matter, it is personal preference, not group think.
[01:48] <jbicha> Raggs: I can contribute and make Ubuntu better, I can't do that for much of OS X
[01:48] <Raggs> perhaps putting word in my mouth isnt a great idea, pay attention to what i actually AM saying
[01:48] <bazhang> lets get back on topic please
[01:49] <Raggs> bazhang, you are right, there was so much conversation going on, sorry for interrupting it
[01:50] <bazhang> Raggs, thats not the point. chit chat in #ubuntu-offtopic
[01:50] <bazhang> this channel is for those interested in testing and bug fixing, not comparing OSes
[02:05] <shane_> Hi guys I have an issue when connecting headphones the speaker sound is not muted and when I restart ubuntu 12.04 beta 1 with the headphones connected, when I disconnect them the speaker sound does not come back.
[02:06] <shane_> I have tested this on a HP desktop and headphones shows in the sound settings output, but on my Acer Aspire 8930g laptop its not there
[02:06] <shane_> any idea, whether this will be fixed before the final release, as it was working fine in 11.10
[02:07] <shane_> I have raised a bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+bug/941219
[02:10] <spacebug-> shane_: did you upgrade och new install?
[02:11] <shane_> yes today
[02:11] <spacebug-> which? upgrade or new install? ;)
[02:11] <shane_> still the same
[02:12] <shane_> new install beta 1
[02:12] <spacebug-> ok
[02:12] <shane_> i had hoped it would fix the issue, but it still remains
[02:12] <spacebug-> I was just thinking if there could be a config / setting that makes it work in 11.10 and not in 12.04 since it is a fresh install
[02:13] <shane_> it had been working since 10.10 to 11.10 with no issues
[02:14] <shane_> all I have now for the output  is digital output (s/pdif) and Analogue output
[02:14] <shane_> no headphone output like I have on my HP desktop
[02:15] <shane_> just wondered if any sounds devs where in tonight
[02:16] <spacebug-> I only have the same outputs for my extra sound card but for my internal it shows headphone also
[02:16] <KI7MT> Question, is there going to be a non-Unity desktop or failsafe for Ubuntu 12.04?
[02:16] <shane_> mine is an internal  realtek
[02:17] <shane_> no KI7MT you would have to install it via the USC
[02:18] <spacebug-> KI7MT: default I think you will have unity and unity 2d (as fallback). You can then ofcourse install gnome-shell and gnome-shell fallback
[02:19] <KI7MT> ok, thanks, that's what I was looking for the gnome-shell that will work, I have several neighbours that want 12.04, but want the same desktop gnome2.x.x
[02:20] <spacebug-> KI7MT: well gnome-shell for 12.04 will not look as the one for 11.10 and older
[02:20] <spacebug-> but the gnome-shell fallback I think will look something like it
[02:21] <KI7MT> Ok, as long as I can get some sort of gnome 2.x looking shell with pull down menu's I can make it work Im sure.
[02:21] <spacebug-> ;)
[02:21] <shane_> gnome-session-fallback if you install that you will have the menu you want
[02:21] <KI7MT> The more I use Ununti the more it's growing on me, but it's a "Very Slow" growth :-)
[02:22] <KI7MT> .. Unity ...
[02:22] <shane_> but its gnome 3, to add to the panel you need to hold now alt and right mouse click
[02:22] <shane_> I have been using unity since 11.04, and love it,
[02:22] <shane_> gnome-shell is far to much like tablet
[02:23] <KI7MT> I've been testing 12.04 servers and XB/LXDE but have stayed clear of Unity until thinngs are pretty stable, if there is such a point.
[02:23] <shane_> seems rather stable now KI7MT
[02:23] <shane_> much faster
[02:24] <KI7MT> Well the servers are doing well I know that much, and most fo the art-work for the other distro's seems to be in place so it's all comming together.
[02:24] <shane_> sweet
[02:25] <KI7MT> Problem I see with 3D Unity is it's going to cut out allot of older hardware from use, it's just going to be too heavy and require to much resource.
[02:25] <spacebug-> well then unity 2D could be the thing
[02:26] <shane_> have to say I agree with you, but its not an issue for me on my 1GB nvidia GPU
[02:26] <KI7MT> It's gonna have to be 2D for allot of folks Im affraid.
[02:26] <shane_> unity2D is looks quite nice now
[02:26] <shane_> looking*
[02:27] <KI7MT> I personally will be ok, I have 2 older i386 laptops for testing, but all my main rigs re 2GB+ and descent GPU's so I'm not too worried there.
[02:28] <KI7MT> Im updating all the CD Images this evening, gonna do a full round of VM installs tomorrow and see how things are shaping up.
[02:28] <spacebug-> I'm running 2D on my virtuell test machine and on one other virtual machine I'm running xubuntu
[02:29] <KI7MT> I test all the ISO for Install, and work on Ubuntu Desktop Apps testing in the QA group.
[02:29] <KI7MT> well I say all, not Cloud, ARM SPC and few of the strange ones.
[02:30] <spacebug-> shane_: about your sound problem, sure it is in alsa and not the sound card driver? I mean that detects when you plug in / out something to / from the card?
[02:31] <shane_> I'm not so sure, I think it has something to do with alsa, as I have seen a few updates to it since alpha releases
[02:31] <spacebug-> ok
[02:32] <shane_> *-multimedia
[02:32] <shane_>        description: Audio device
[02:32] <shane_>        product: 82801I (ICH9 Family) HD Audio Controller
[02:32] <shane_>        vendor: Intel Corporation
[02:32] <shane_>        physical id: 1b
[02:32] <shane_>        bus info: pci@0000:00:1b.0
[02:32] <shane_>        version: 03
[02:32] <shane_>        width: 64 bits
[02:32] <shane_>        clock: 33MHz
[02:32] <shane_>        capabilities: pm msi pciexpress bus_master cap_list
[02:32] <shane_>        configuration: driver=snd_hda_intel latency=0
[02:32] <shane_>        resources: irq:47 memory:db300000-db303fff
[02:32] <Fyodorovna> !pastebin
[02:33] <shane_> sorry I was not aware of this
[02:34] <shane_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/867649/
[02:34] <KI7MT> shane_, how did you get the info on your sound card just then?
[02:35] <shane_> Im not sure now did it the other day, lol and pasted it in a bug report
[02:35] <KI7MT> :-) .. that would be a nice one liner to have :-)
[02:39] <shane_> this is more info http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=73dc8d290b5d5bc17c68b53f044eba21361cbd60
[02:40] <shane_> you can add this in terminal and get it: wget http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh -O alsa-info.sh && bash alsa-info.sh
[02:40] <KI7MT> cool thanks.
[02:43] <shane_> well I hope they fix it, I do a lot of music production,  off to bed now, thanks for the chat guys
[03:00] <c_smith> does anyone here like the new look of LightDM or am I the only one who likes it?
[03:06] <Daekdroom> c_smith, LightDM looks is like the only single thing I haven't seen nobody complain about.
[03:06] <Daekdroom> *anybody
[03:10] <c_smith> Daekdroom, true. it must be good, then.
[03:10] <dr_willis> i dont see the point of the white dot grid in lightdm
[03:11] <dr_willis> or why they dont put a bigger clock calander ir weather report in the emoty space
[03:13] <c_smith> dr_willis, not sure on that part myself, never noticed it, I mainly look at the part I use to log in.
[03:13] <c_smith> xD
[03:15] <Daekdroom> The weather report would be a bit troubling.
[03:15] <Daekdroom> It'd require network AND configuration... but a login screen is something that affects more than 1 user..
[03:16] <Daekdroom> I wonder if it's possible to change the indicators there are in LightDM
[03:16] <snadge> linux as a desktop os still sucks pretty badly :P
[03:17] <snadge> even if unity worked properly, and there was no display driver bugs etc, theres still nothing to run under it anyway hehe
[03:17] <c_smith> snadge, y u no liek Linuks? jk
[03:17] <snadge> it was a struggle just to play minecraft
[03:18] <snadge> fglrx is still a giant turd, with 2 critical bugs
[03:18] <snadge> which are receiving zero attention
[03:18] <Daekdroom> riiiight. Like Windows doesn't have BSOD and other problems.
[03:18] <snadge> haha windows is awesome in comparison ;)
[03:18] <Daekdroom> It's slower ;)
[03:18] <c_smith> but honestly, there is plenty that runs on Linux really nicely, I.E. Revenge Of The Titans, Osmos, Dungeons Of Dredmor, etc. Revenge
[03:19] <dr_willis> fglrx is working better for me in 12* then in 11*
[03:19] <Daekdroom> It's a matter of use, honestly.
[03:19] <snadge> fglrx has two show stopping bugs currently
[03:19] <snadge> window titles not updating (compiz/nux), and xv just crashes X whenever you try to play a video
[03:21] <snadge> i want to punch someone from amd in the nuts :P
[03:21] <Daekdroom> I hate having to say this again, but I hardly think that punching a developer will get them to solve your problem.
[03:21] <snadge> well if theyre from amd, thats surely ok
[03:21] <Daekdroom> AMD is trying to do a great job when it comes to hardware drivers.
[03:22] <snadge> i didnt mean someone from canonical, unless that would help ;)
[03:22] <Daekdroom> I mean, Catalyst is less unstable than the nvidia blob, but they're actively working on the opensource driver, atleast.
[03:22] <Daekdroom> *stable
[03:22] <snadge> in any case, i cant do anything to fix it, and there are people with that assigned responsibility who are failing to do anything about it
[03:23] <snadge> for months now
[03:23] <snadge> if it was windows, that would simply be unacceptable and/or it would be fixed by now
[03:24] <dr_willis> if it was windows they would have a team and a budget also...
[03:24] <snadge> but because its desktop linux, not enough people care. the sad reality
[03:24] <Daekdroom> The Catalyst driver shares code with the Windows driver, dr_willis
[03:25] <snadge> yeah but windows doesnt run compiz, or use xv
[03:25] <snadge> so the linux specific stuff, gets less attention
[03:27] <snadge> but yeah besides problems with proprietary stuff that nobody seems to take ownership of or care about.. 12.04 is great ;)
[03:28] <dr_willis> the gpl driver us working good for my one ati box. so far
[03:29] <snadge> its okay.. noticed the screen corruption after login with lightdm?
[03:29] <snadge> the poor framerate in minecraft and oilrush?
[03:30] <snadge> the lack of hardware video accel support? ;)
[03:31] <KI7MT> Pretty easy to me, get rid of ATI :-)
[03:31] <snadge> inability to output audio via hdmi? hehe
[03:32] <snadge> oh yeah because nouveau is sooo much better
[03:32] <KI7MT> Both ATI an NV have their fair share of ups and downs .. but I gotta say I'm pretty happy with NV cards, had them on all my boxes since 6.xx days on Ubuntu
[03:33] <snadge> yeah but im not going to replace my video card, just because of buggy linux drivers
[03:34] <KI7MT> Well it's a pretty simple solution really, if it's not working, and you want it to work, somethign has to change.
[03:34] <snadge> which takes me back to punching someone from amd in the nuts
[03:35] <snadge> they keep improving things just ever so slightly yo keep you from doing that
[03:35] <KI7MT> Be it the OS, The Card or something. They already ahve your hard earned $$ in their bank, shouting at them probably wont make them move any faster :-)
[03:36] <snadge> if only i knew who to shout at
[03:37] <snadge> they keep themselves well hidden, probably have to hire body guards to move around in public
[03:37] <snadge> for fear of being lynched
[03:37] <KI7MT> Im sure they have a customer feedback forum somewhere.
[03:37] <snadge> i will try catalyst 12.2 when it comes out
[03:38] <snadge> if its still broken, i will remove the card and set fire to it
[03:38] <snadge> and post the charred remains to them
[03:39] <KI7MT> Me personally, I dont buy NV cards for at least a year or more after launch, especially if there going on a Linux Box, even on WinDoze the drivers take a good while to get sorted out.
[03:39] <c_smith> *mails a cockroach I burned alive to snadge*
[03:39] <c_smith> gah, forgot to use the /me tag and drop the asterisks..... curse my WoW playing......
[03:42] <ztag100> Is there a way to update xubuntu to the new beta? or do I need to do a clean install?
[03:43] <jbicha> !final | ztag100
[03:44] <ztag100> that wasn't at all what I was asking
[03:44] <Captain_Proton> ztag100, or check this out http://www.webupd8.org/2011/01/xfce-48-ubuntu-1004-and-1010-ppas.html
[03:44] <ztag100> I have 11.10, can I update that to 12.04 beta?
[03:44] <jbicha> ztag100: yes, if you run update-manager -d
[03:45] <ztag100> Thanks, is that unrecommended?
[03:45] <Captain_Proton> anyone run GS and if so do you know why none of the shell themes do not work
[03:45] <ztag100> I want to try it out and see how it works
[03:45] <KI7MT> ztag100, on these new releases, your better off doing a fresh install rather than upgrading them.
[03:46] <jbicha> ztag100: well 12.04 is just in beta so expect bugs & you may to have fix things yourself
[03:46] <ztag100> KI7MT: what could happen if I don't
[03:46] <KI7MT> keep in mind, there's still allot of bugs and things there working on, so not even the fresh installs go without issue.
[03:46] <ztag100> jbicha: I know that, I was wondering if anything bad could happen from updating rather then a fresh install
[03:46] <ztag100> is it worse?
[03:47] <KI7MT> ztag100, maybe nothing (hopefully), but who knows, the code is in a constant state of upgrade so from one day to the next could be lots of changes.
[03:47] <ztag100> ok
[03:47] <Fyodorovna> ztag100, you can clone the 11.10, so if somethings happens you are covered.
[03:47] <ztag100> I guess I'll give it my best shot
[03:47] <jbicha> ztag100: probably not, it is faster to "upgrade" using the new installer CD but the new ubiquity has bugs
[03:48] <ztag100> I use minimal cds anyway
[03:48] <KI7MT> With regaurds to upgrading, that's just my personal prefrence. I'll upgrade LTS ver to LTS ver but not the point releases or those between.
[03:49] <Captain_Proton> ztag100, just make sure you have a backup ubuntu one work great for that
[03:49] <ztag100> Alright
[03:50] <ztag100> I never acutally used ubuntu one
[03:50] <ztag100> :P
[03:51] <ztag100> ubuntu one doesn't come with xubuntu?!
[03:52] <Captain_Proton> if not you can install it
[03:52] <jbicha> ztag100: ubuntu one only comes by default with ubuntu, but it's easy to install it
[03:53] <ztag100> jbicha: installing now, I'm just surprised it didn't come preinstalled
[03:55] <Daekdroom> I think Ubuntu comes with Ubutu One Installer instead of Ubuntu One itself
[03:57] <ztag100> yah, the package that I just installed was the installer
[04:03] <ztag100> just wondering, does ubuntu one let me backup my system settings? or just files?
[04:05] <bazhang> ask in #ubuntuone ztag100
[04:05] <ztag100> thanks
[04:08] <ztag100> backing up? waste of time!
[04:08]  * ztag100 opens a terminal window and updates
[04:09] <ztag100> alright guys, I'll see you on the other side!
[04:10] <KI7MT> How do you guys to the /me thing  where you get the * then you username in the comments ?
[04:10] <ztag100> what?
[04:10] <ztag100> where?
[04:11] <KI7MT> you just did it a moment ago * ztag100 opens a terminal window and updates
[04:11] <ztag100> ./me
[04:11] <ztag100> its /me
[04:11] <KI7MT> Ahh ok thanks.
[04:11] <ztag100> you just said it
[04:11] <ztag100> lol
[04:11] <KI7MT> ./me so this is me then
[04:11] <ztag100> no
[04:11] <KI7MT> LOL that didn't work
[04:11] <ztag100>  its just /me
[04:12]  * KI7MT just me 
[04:12] <KI7MT> Cool.
[04:12] <KI7MT> ok back to real world stff :-)
[04:12] <ztag100> when somebody says ./command in irc, you don't do the dot it's just so it isn't registered as a command
[04:13] <KI7MT> Oh I see like when you register passwd's and things to the nodes.
[04:15] <ztag100> yah
[04:15] <ztag100> any irc command starts with a /
[04:29] <adam__>  Testing out Lubuntu 12.04 Beta, I keep getting errors and it wants to send a bug report, but all that does is take me to a website. Do I have to create an account just to send an error report?
[04:34] <pangolin> adam__: you do.
[04:34] <pangolin> the developers may ask for extra info not included in the report and without creating an account linked to an email address they can't.
[04:36] <adam__> I see, sorry for the rather noob-ish question, but thanks.
[04:58] <alkisg> The gnome-classic session has a useless keyboard icon instead of an icon showing the active keyboard layout. I read the reasoning for this in http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1858038 but I haven't found a bug report in launchpad about it.
[04:58] <alkisg> Under which package should I file the bug report?
[05:03] <jbicha> alkisg: gnome-settings-daemon
[05:03] <alkisg> Thank you jbicha :)
[05:19] <ztag100> gnome-classic is back?
[05:19] <Sixmsj> how's the speed difference from 12.04 to 11.10
[05:20] <dr_willis> or just anothr confuseing term ;)
[05:20] <ztag100> gnome-classic as in skinned gnome3 or gnome2?
[05:20] <Fyodorovna> ztag100, there is a fallback
[05:20] <ztag100> cool
[05:21] <ztag100> I'm using xubuntu, so it doesn't make a difference to me... but cool
[05:21] <ztag100> I really hope they make a gubuntu
[05:21] <Fyodorovna> pseudo gnome 2 running in gnome 3, just install gnonme-shell and you get gnome 3 with the fallback.
[05:22] <Fyodorovna> gnome-shell*
[05:23] <ztag100> Yes, but just like xubuntu isn't the same as installing xubuntu-desktop on ubuntu... gubuntu wouldn't be the same
[05:24] <dr_willis> cant say i niticed much of a differance in the 2 methods
[05:24] <atari2600a> WHY IS UBUNTU ONE NO LONGER A PACK-IN
[05:24] <atari2600a> seriously guys
[05:24] <atari2600a> why not take the kernel off the disk while you're at it
[05:24] <dr_willis> atari2600a:  i have no idea what you mean
[05:24] <atari2600a> install from a CD then click Ubuntu One
[05:25] <atari2600a> & stop being mean to that nice megaman boy
[05:26] <dr_willis> still no idea .......
[05:27] <ztag100> atar2600a: are you ok?
[05:33] <alkisg> Ah it appears to be a settings migration/update problem, I clean installed precise a couple of months ago and I've been seeing a useless keyboard icon since, but now that I tried gsettings reset-recursively org.gnome.gnome-panel, all is OK, I can see the layout.
[05:34] <alkisg> I can even see the time now, previously it was in the middle of the top panel, in very dark colors :)
[05:36] <alkisg> Another problem that I still have is that the text in the bottom panel is extremely dark, and it's almost hidden over the black background of the panel
[05:39] <alkisg> ...just tried with a new user account, happens there too. Now to find the package where the colors are declared, so that I file a bug there... :-/
[05:41] <dr_willis> i noticed some color and transparecy settings make that hud unuseable also
[05:43] <jbicha> alkisg: that would be either gnome-panel or light-themes, you're probably also interested in bug 828392
[05:43] <alkisg> Thank you jbicha, looking...
[05:49] <alkisg> Yup, that's the one... at least selecting another theme makes things readable again, until hopefully the bug is somehow resolved.
[05:51] <alkisg> Nice, next bugs to tackle, are (1) that lightdm doesn't offer a method to select the session language (does it?), and
[05:51] <alkisg> (2) that lightdm or some other component forces an english-only keyboard layout, instead of respecting the system-wide "us,gr" one...
[05:51] <ztag100> Alright
[05:51] <ztag100> my update is almost done
[05:52] <ztag100> I'll see you on the other side!
[06:05] <dscassel> Hey guys, posted Bug #946104
[06:06] <dscassel> Thoughts? Comments? Am I crazy for wanting this?
[06:07] <dr_willis> not even sure what ayanta is
[06:07] <dscassel> dr_willis: Ayatana is unity, basically.
[06:08] <dr_willis> then its compiz settings?
[06:09] <dr_willis> whats stcky monitor edges do. im not on ubintu right now
[06:09] <dscassel> There are compiz settings, but none of them let you traverse monitors totally unimpeded.
[06:10] <dscassel> The blog post sort of explains it: http://design.canonical.com/2012/01/launcher-reveal-prototype
[06:10] <dscassel> There's a launcher on every monitor now.
[06:11] <dscassel> And in order to un-hide the launcher or get windows to half-maximize on the side of the screen more easily, the make the mouse stop at the monitor edge unless you're moving the mouse really fast.
[06:11] <dr_willis> not ben using multi mon since unity came out. may need to try it again
[06:11] <dscassel> I'm going to post a video. You kinda have to see it.
[06:13] <dr_willis> im on my android phone . limits my options some
[06:13] <alkisg> I was trying to see if the "not able to select a session language" problem was in unity-greeter on in lightdm... so I tried installing other greeters, but none of them works?!
[06:14] <alkisg> I tried lightdm-gtk-greeter and lightdm-webkit-greeter, and I even uninstalled unity-greeter, but I was only getting the dialog to reconfigure my graphics...
[06:15] <micahg> alkisg: make sure you're on lightdm 1.1.3 or 1.1.4.is.1.1.3
[06:15] <alkisg> micahg: dpkg-query -W lightdm => lightdm	1.1.4.is.1.1.3-0ubuntu1
[06:16] <dr_willis> sort of an odd version number
[06:17] <micahg> there were some issues with 1.1.4 not caught before it was uploaded, nor fixable easily, so it was reverted
[06:18]  * alkisg is reading https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lightdm/+bug/803858 ...
[07:36] <crizzy> !help
[07:36] <crizzy> duh
[07:36] <crizzy> what was the command again to check package versions
[07:38] <crizzy> guess there's no hope of getting php 5.4 into oneiric and oneiric will be stuck with 5.3 for 5 years..
[07:44] <cheater_> it's not like it's production ready
[07:44] <cheater_> the php team always fucks up the initial releases
[07:44] <cheater_> you install 5.4 and find out your website is hot pink on full moons
[07:52] <Edico> hi
[07:53] <Edico> skype isn't in any repo?
[07:53] <Num83rGuy> Any known issues with Nvidia drivers?
[07:54] <valdur55> Edico, look on partners repo
[07:55] <Num83rGuy> I can't get the darn nVidia current driver to load.
[07:55] <valdur55> Edico, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Skype
[08:04] <Num83rGuy> I am using beta 1. Fresh install. nvidia drivers install yet do not load. Kernel log says: http://pastebin.com/GaWV2kge
[08:07] <Edico> thanks valdur55
[08:09] <valdur55> Edico, and next time, you should use wiki before asking :)
[08:10] <Edico> valdur55, I had that repository in my software sources but I didn't seen the package
[08:10] <Num83rGuy> Anyone have any ideas on my issue? The xorg.conf looks right.
[08:10] <valdur55> Ok :)
[08:13] <whqing> is anyone konw? why is hud not installing on my 12.04?
[08:13] <whqing> unity version is 5.4
[08:14] <whqing> the system is up to date now
[08:20] <chelz> when booting the xubuntu 12.04 beta iso it seems to skip straight to a desktop, how do i change boot options like splash, quiet, etc?
[08:22] <Num83rGuy> Meh, I gotta go t bed. :P
[08:23] <chelz> hm, mashing f6 seemed to do it
[08:24] <chelz> woo
[08:36] <Edico> where does it keep firefox the bookmarks file?
[08:38] <cheako> There is an issue with migrating those /types/ of folders to encrypted home.  Where the max name length in smaller.
[08:39] <cheako> The code now properly expresses the length constraints to apps that check, however copying is still not possible.
[08:42] <zzecool> Edico: for such questions search google
[08:43] <micahg> zzecool: this is a support channel and that's a valid question
[08:43] <zzecool> micahg: it is a support channel about precise
[08:43] <micahg> zzecool: yes, if the user is on precise, that's a valid support question ;)
[08:44] <zzecool> micahg: instead of arguing like a kid answer him
[08:44] <zzecool> Edico: Bookmarks are placed in folder .mozilla (hidden folder in your home directory)
[08:45] <zzecool> just search google i did the same
[08:45] <swat_> hi all
[08:45] <micahg> Edico: there's a sqlite db in the profile folder there
[08:46] <swat_> just had a compiz crash on precise, tried running apport but it complains that my 'compiz-core' is not a valid ubuntu package
[08:46] <swat_> which confuses me because i believe my system is pretty much standard!
[08:46] <zzecool> :o
[08:46] <zzecool> something is broken
[08:46] <zzecool> can you try an update?
[08:46] <swat_> i have, it all looksgood
[08:47] <zzecool> did apport started on his own or did you manually used ubuntu-bug
[08:47] <zzecool> ?
[08:48] <zzecool> glosoli: noob :O
[08:48] <glosoli> zzecool: are you watching me pervert ? :DDD
[08:48] <zzecool> :o :x
[08:48] <swat_> zzecool: apt-port started on its own
[08:49] <swat_> i've just done an apt-cache show on compiz-core
[08:49] <swat_> it appears that it is an optional package
[08:49] <swat_> now, i did upgrade this box from 11.10 - so maybe somethign has gone wrong along the way
[08:49] <micahg> !coc > glosoli
[08:49] <zzecool> did you reboot ?
[08:49] <swat_> zzecool: yup
[08:49] <zzecool> one sec
[08:50] <glosoli> micahg: emm ? ;D
[08:50] <glosoli> zzecool: any updates ?
[08:50] <zzecool> no
[08:50] <zzecool> ;/
[08:50] <zzecool> some icetea ...
[08:50] <zzecool> an nautilus
[08:50] <zzecool> and
[08:51] <swat_> zzecool: ah no, it says compiz-core replaces compiz-wrapper
[08:51]  * glosoli looking forward to Monday, new ATI Drivers will be out, I hope they will fix my problems.
[08:51] <zzecool> swat_: try to run on terminal :   ubuntu-bug compiz-core
[08:51] <zzecool> it will trigger apport on compiz-core
[08:51] <glosoli> zzecool: acpi-support updated
[08:51] <glosoli> for me
[08:51] <zzecool> eh ?
[08:53] <swat_> The problem cannot be reported:
[08:53] <swat_> This is not an official Ubuntu package. Please remove any third party package and try again.
[08:53] <swat_> hmm
[08:53] <zzecool> hmm
[08:53] <glosoli> don't report compiz core
[08:53] <glosoli> report compiz
[08:53] <zzecool> glosoli: its working fine on me
[08:53] <zzecool> if i try to report it
[08:53] <glosoli> zzecool: hmm
[08:53] <zzecool> swat_: maybe you are running some 3rd party ppas?
[08:54] <zzecool> compiz team or anything ?
[08:54] <zzecool> that using a diff version
[08:54] <zzecool> whats your compiz core version
[08:54] <swat_> zzecool: i don't believe so
[08:54] <zzecool> mine is 1:0.9.7.0~bzr2995-0ubuntu5
[08:55] <swat_> 1:0.9.7.0~bzr2995-0ubuntu5
[08:55] <swat_> how bzr :-)
[08:56] <kaen> anyone getting "no codecs found!" from snd_hda_intel?
[08:56] <kaen> no sound after a fresh install an hour ago :/
[08:57] <zzecool> swat_: your apport version ?
[08:58] <zzecool> is it the Version: 1.94-0ubuntu1 ?
[09:00] <zzecool> swat_: plus chekc if you have whoopsie 0.1.14 installed
[09:05] <swat_> zzecool: yup to both
[09:05] <zzecool> swat_: i dont know then
[09:06] <zzecool> there is something wrong
[09:06] <zzecool> try to run update again using the main archive server
[09:06] <zzecool> but i dont think this is the prob
[09:06] <glosoli> zzecool: ever tryed wunderlist
[09:06] <glosoli>  ?
[09:07] <zzecool> glosoli: yes
[09:07] <zzecool> it is cool
[09:07] <zzecool> i like it
[09:07] <swat_> i also appear to have a polling loop on compiz
[09:07] <glosoli> zzecool: have installed in insystem maybe ?
[09:07] <zzecool> insystem ?
[09:07] <glosoli> I found that some  libs are missing in precise, but there is webupd8 script for that
[09:07] <glosoli> zzecool: in ubuntu
[09:07] <zzecool> ah yes
[09:07] <zzecool> + the libs
[09:09] <zzecool> swat_:  polling or pulling ?
[09:09] <swat_> zzecool: pollin
[09:09] <swat_> lots of lines like this in the strace as well:
[09:09] <swat_> recv(5, 0x85f71a0, 4096, 0)             = -1 EAGAIN (Resource temporarily unavailable)
[09:13] <glosoli> zzecool: global menu is not working with Wunderlist ?
[09:13] <zzecool> i dont have it installed right now here
[09:14] <glosoli> zzecool: but had it global menu last time when you used it ?
[09:14] <zzecool> swat_: you can try to remove it completely  using recovery  login
[09:14] <zzecool> and reinstall
[09:14] <zzecool> together with all the other compiz packages + unity
[09:15] <swat_> i could- though not sure what that would achieve
[09:15] <zzecool> true
[09:17] <zzecool> glosoli: i dont remember
[09:23] <glosoli> zzecool: you use Chrome or Chromium ?
[09:23] <zzecool> chrome
[09:24] <zzecool> unstable is broken though
[09:24] <zzecool> im bakc in beta
[09:24] <zzecool> back
[09:24] <glosoli> zzecool: how broken  ?
[09:24] <zzecool> its crashes
[09:24] <zzecool> all the time
[09:25] <glosoli> would you mind opening  4 tabs for random pages an giving me screenshot ?
[09:47] <zzecool> how can i trigger gnome-online-accounts ?
[09:47] <zzecool> i cant seem to find the icon in system settings
[09:52] <AnAnt> Hello, did anyone try upgrading from Lucid to Precise beta ?
[09:52] <KM0201> no
[09:56] <KM0201> i clean installed it (i never upgrade)
[10:16] <ironhalik> AnAnt: Its supposed to work, and I would guess it will work
[10:17] <ironhalik> but prepare for the worst, backup everything :>
[10:33] <freezer> hi
[10:33] <freezer> how to enable aesni-intel in ubuntu 12.04?
[10:34] <freezer> the module seems to be present, i guess i need to load it into the ramdisk/during bootup?
[10:34] <SwedeMike> how can you tell it's not used?
[10:35] <freezer> i did a dd if=/dev/sda and got around 500mb/s (SSD)
[10:35] <freezer> i did the same on the dmcrypt, but only around 150mb/s
[10:35] <freezer> on Fedora i benchmarked aesni before and got ~800mb/s with my i7
[10:35] <SwedeMike> and you could see that the dmcrypt process used all cpu?
[10:36] <ironhalik> freezer: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/precise/man4/aesni.4freebsd.html
[10:36] <freezer> 'kworker' uses 100%
[10:37] <ironhalik> freezer: I belive the link is what you're looking for
[10:37] <freezer> ironhalik, found that one, where do i edit the kernel options?
[10:37] <SwedeMike> ironhalik: isn't that for the freebsd kernel?
[10:37] <ironhalik> nah
[10:37] <freezer> and i wonder since i already loaded the module, shouldn't it work right away?
[10:38] <freezer> or does it need to be at bootup, before luksOpen?
[10:38] <ironhalik> SwedeMike: uh, It may be :D
[10:38] <ironhalik> sec
[10:38] <SwedeMike> freezer: check out contents of  /proc/crypto and see if it has aes-ni in there
[10:38] <SwedeMike> hm, my aes-ni in my ubuntu 11.10 seems to have stopped working, I don't see it in there. Wird.
[10:39] <SwedeMike> weird
[10:39] <freezer> SwedeMike, yes about 10 different ones
[10:40] <freezer> but if it were working correctly, it shouldn't create 100% cpu at only 150mb/s
[10:40] <SwedeMike> correct.
[10:41] <freezer> also, filezilla @ sftp is also creating high cpu, not sure if it would benefit from aesni though
[10:41] <SwedeMike> I modprobed aesni-intel and now it seems to use aes-ni
[10:42] <SwedeMike> name         : cbc(aes)
[10:42] <SwedeMike> driver       : cbc-aes-aesni
[10:42] <SwedeMike> module       : aesni_intel
[10:42] <SwedeMike> and I have stuff like that i /proc/crpypto
[10:42] <freezer> can you can a benchmark?
[10:42] <SwedeMike> so somewhere along the line it stopped loading the omdule by default
[10:42] <freezer> *run
[10:42] <SwedeMike> let me see
[10:42] <freezer> seems like it
[10:44] <SwedeMike> I can't benchmark because my md raid is being checked right now, so performance is not optimal
[10:44] <SwedeMike> $ lsmod | grep -i aesni
[10:44] <SwedeMike> aesni_intel            55586  0
[10:44] <SwedeMike> cryptd                 20530  1 aesni_intel
[10:44] <SwedeMike> aes_x86_64             17208  1 aesni_intel
[10:45] <freezer> you could try http://wiki.debianforum.de/Benchmark_f%C3%BCr_Festplattenverschl%C3%BCsselung
[10:45] <SwedeMike> dunno if it's a problem that it's not loaded prior to cryptsetup starting, and that's why it's not used
[10:45] <freezer> that's what i did @ Fedora
[10:45] <freezer> maybe i do it again just to be sure i don't have issues with the harddrive
[10:46] <freezer> it uses a RAMdisk for the benchmark
[10:46] <SwedeMike> but try to make sure that aesni-intel is loaded as soon as possible, per your initial thought about initrd
[10:46] <SwedeMike> that's definitely something I would try first
[10:48] <SwedeMike> I know I had this working out of the box in the ubuntu versions back 1-2 years, so this is a regression
[10:48] <SwedeMike> but it seems to be a problem in 11.10 as well
[10:49] <freezer> 1072689152 bytes (1.1 GB) copied, 1.36638 s, 785 MB/s
[10:49] <freezer> hmmm
[10:49] <freezer> so from the (newly mounted & created) ramdisk it works
[10:50] <SwedeMike> yeah, so if you make sure it's loaded before your crypted harddrives are luksOpened, you'll probably get it working
[10:50] <freezer> how do i make it load in the ramdisk?
[10:51] <freezer> add it to /etc/initramfs-tools/modules ?
[10:51] <SwedeMike>    /etc/mkinitrd/modules
[10:52] <SwedeMike> or hmm
[10:52] <SwedeMike> http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/dapper/man8/mkinitrd.8.html "You will  either  have  to
[10:52] <SwedeMike>               use  the  appropriate  MODULES  setting, or copy them in using a
[10:52] <SwedeMike>               script in /etc/mkinitrd/scripts."
[10:55] <freezer> root@rship:~# cat aes.txt | grep aesni
[10:55] <freezer> Adding module /lib/modules/3.2.0-17-generic/kernel/arch/x86/crypto/aesni-intel.ko
[10:55] <freezer> that's output from update-initramfs
[10:56] <freezer> but there's lots of output, not sure if it will actually be loaded
[10:57] <freezer> SwedeMike, there is no /etc/mkinitrd
[10:57] <freezer> i just try to reboot..
[10:57] <freezer> brb
[11:03] <freezer> re
[11:03] <freezer> so now it's being loaded at boot-time
[11:04] <freezer> 4143972352 bytes (4.1 GB) copied, 10.3614 s, 400 MB/s
[11:04] <freezer> that looks a lot  better ;)
[11:05] <freezer> 19193135104 bytes (19 GB) copied, 38.5639 s, 498 MB/s
[11:05] <freezer> kworker @ 77% cpu load
[11:07] <freezer> so it really seems like the luksOpen has to happen while aesni support is already loaded
[11:34] <zorael> precise linux-headers-3.2.0-16-lowlatency depends on linux-headers-3.2.0-16, which doesn't exist in the repos (only -17 and -18). should it be like this or am I missing something?
[11:38] <micahg> zorael: no, it needs to be updated
[12:26] <carl0s-> did Intel HDA audio just get broke?
[12:27] <penguin42> it's playing music for me here
[12:27] <carl0s-> hmm
[12:27] <carl0s-> my laptop has no sound :(
[12:27] <penguin42> 3.2.0-17-generic
[12:27] <carl0s-> everything looks right, but I hear nothing
[12:27] <carl0s-> it's as though I have the headphones output selected
[12:27] <carl0s-> or something
[12:29] <carl0s-> the Sound control panel just says "Built-in Audio". I can't remember if it used to say Intel HDA Audio or something
[12:33] <ironhalik> anyone got any ideas, how I could stream all audio from one precise to another precise over LAN?
[12:36] <penguin42> ironhalik: Pulse audio should let you do that
[12:36] <penguin42> carl0s-: If you do    pactl info   what does it say for Default sink and Default source?
[12:39] <carl0s-> penguin42, alsa_output.pci...
[12:40] <penguin42> carl0s-: OK, that's good
[12:40] <carl0s-> yep thought so
[12:40] <carl0s-> it's just like the volume is all the way down.. everything looks/acts right.
[12:41] <Siegel-> hi. i was here yesterday inquiring about how to install my network card. i followed the instructions on this page: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx
[12:41] <penguin42> carl0s-: You could try running alsamixer and making sure everything is on
[12:42] <Siegel-> my card model is BCM4318. its supporter by the b43 package. i followed the installation directions and terminal said it was already the newest version, thus nothing was installed. still the wifi icon on my keyboard is turned off. i go to additional drivers and it wont allow me to enable propieraty drivers
[12:43] <carl0s-> thanks penguin42 . It all looks good though, and the sliders move in tandem with the desktop's volume control.
[12:43] <penguin42> hmm
[12:47] <Siegel-> does anyone have any idea?
[12:54] <Siegel-> does anyone know anything about this command that might help me? dmesg | grep wlan
[12:54] <Siegel-> concerning my wireless network card
[12:55] <penguin42> dmesg just gives all the kernel's messages
[12:55] <penguin42> Siegel-: And  doing dmesg | grep wlan   just looks for any messages from the kernel with the text 'wlan' in
[12:56] <penguin42> Siegel-: So yeh it's kind of useful for some stuff - but what's your original problem?
[12:56] <Siegel-> penguin42: i see. then i dont see how it directly connects.
[12:56] <Siegel-> penguin42: my original problem is that since i upgraded to 12.04, my wifi icon wont turn on when i boot and my wireless cannot be enabled.
[12:57] <Siegel-> i followed the directions on how to install my model. its the b43 package and terminal said the newest version had already been installed
[13:01] <carl0s-> penguin42, it's working through the headphones! weird..
[13:01] <carl0s-> penguin42, I re-selected Speakers, and it's still not working through there.
[13:03] <carl0s-> by the way.. has anybody reported the bug of various windows not showing up in the window switcher??
[13:03] <penguin42> carl0s-: These things sometimes happen; it's possible that output is muted, or the driver is confused about how the outputs are wired
[13:03] <Siegel-> penguin42: is it possible that i am lacking some firmware?? how do i extract it
[13:03] <penguin42> Siegel-: Not sure, I don't do much wifi stuff
[13:03] <Siegel-> penguin42: ok thanks anyway
[13:04] <carl0s-> the Sound control panel doesn't show up in the alt-tab window switcher..
[13:04] <carl0s-> penguin42, well it's unmuted in the UI, so either some part of the config is left broken or perhaps the driver is. I'm sure it'll sort itself out in due course though.
[13:06] <carl0s-> when I select "Speakers", it still comes out the headphones, so I guess it's confused.
[13:07] <Siegel-> penguin42: my wireless worked automatically with 11.10. do you think a fresh install of 11.10 would sort it out?
[13:07] <penguin42> Siegel-: Possibly
[13:07] <Siegel-> penguin42: i guess ill do that anyway
[13:07] <Siegel-> just need to get a usb stick
[13:15] <ironhalik> Ok, I played with alsa/pulse audio, and now Ive got nonexistend SPDIF output set as default, and cant set it back to any other :)
[13:15] <ironhalik> not in gnome settings or alsamixer
[13:17] <ironhalik> God, I hate ALSA :>
[13:22] <MCR1> I have a internal speaker (mono) inside my computer case (HP) - when I attach a cable to the analog output the internal speaker is disabled - is it possible to change this behaviour somewhere to not have to plug out the cable manually to turn on the internal speaker ?
[13:22] <MCR1> the Ubuntu sound settings do not allow much changes here...
[13:24] <ironhalik> Ive got SPDIF output only there
[13:24] <ironhalik> funny thing is, my lappy has only analog output :/
[13:24] <MCR1> :P
[13:25] <ironhalik> alsa is one of the worst parts of the whole linux ecosystem
[13:25] <jack> use pulseaudio
[13:26] <ironhalik> I might try
[13:27] <ironhalik> hmm, there was some old gnome swiss army knife of configurations for alsa
[13:27] <ironhalik> cant remeber the name
[13:35] <ironhalik> Guys, any ideas? The analog stereo output is missing, only SPDIF. Sound works in lightdm
[13:36] <ironhalik> I was stupid enough to click on SPDIF output in the soundsettings, when there were non others :>
[13:53] <UnknownFearNG> Having problems with a dual-boot system running Ubuntu 12.04 LTS and Windows 7. Every time I shut down the computer from Ubuntu, I cannot boot into Ubuntu. I can get passed the login screen, then it freezes. I have to physically boot into Windows, restart the computer and then boot into Ubuntu. Anyone know why this is happening? I was going to remove Windows 7 and just run Ubuntu, but now I'm thinking I may not be able to
[13:56] <penguin42> UnknownFearNG: Well, obviously that's a bug - you should report into Launchpad
[13:57] <UnknownFearNG> But it happened with 11.10 and 11.04 as well, not just 12.04
[13:59] <penguin42> well that's still a bug that needs reporting - otherwise it'll never get fixed!
[14:01] <penguin42> UnknownFearNG: So boot into ubuntu, make sure you have a launchpad account, and then open a terminal, and run     ubuntu-bug linux
[14:01] <penguin42> UnknownFearNG: Explain the problem in the web page that comes up, and ubuntu-bug will attach a load of information about your hardware
[14:01] <UnknownFearNG> OK, I'm doing that now
[14:02] <ironhalik> against what package should I file a bug if it regards the gnome sound settings menu?
[14:07] <Daekdroom> ironhalik, you can run "ubuntu-bug" and follow the steps if you're unsure about the package.
[14:09] <ironhalik> Thanks
[14:13] <UnknownFearNG> penguin42: I seem to have found the error. I tried booting with a previous kernel after shut down and it worked. I think it's the latest kernel that seems to have the issue
[14:13] <penguin42> UnknownFearNG: I thought you said it happened in 11.10 as well?
[14:14] <UnknownFearNG> It did with kernel 3.0.0.17 generic. I had 3.0.0.16 so I tried that and it worked
[14:14] <UnknownFearNG> Did 11.10 not have 3.0.0.17?
[14:16] <funkebone> Just how unpredictable is the new beta?
[14:16] <funkebone> And, through updates, will the beta eventually not be beta?
[14:18] <yofel_> UnknownFearNG: there is no 3.0.0-17 kernel
[14:18] <yofel_> only 3.0.0-16 and 3.2.0-17
[14:18] <funkebone> I just looked at the timeline, and it looks like its slated for a beginning of May release.
[14:18] <UnknownFearNG> Sorry, I have 3.2.0-17 then. It happens on that kernel, but 3.0.0-16 works fine
[14:18] <yofel_> !final | funkebone
[14:19] <funkebone> thanks yofel_
[14:20] <penguin42> UnknownFearNG: Hmm I'd add those as comments into the bug report - but it could be more subtle; because your hang happens only when you boot one thing and then another, the act of bringing up the grub menu and selecting the other kernel could change it - heck anything could change it!
[14:20] <UnknownFearNG> penguin42: On that right now, thanks for the help :)
[14:21] <penguin42> UnknownFearNG: No problem
[14:42] <allain> Hey. I've uninstalled network-manager and am using /etc/network/interfaces to configure a wifi using WPA. Problem is it boots up with it setup, it locks at the desktop. If I comment everything out and then boot up then uncomment it, the restart service, all is golden. How do I start troubleshooting this?
[14:44] <FernandoMiguel> micahg: your G+ profile is weird :S
[15:20] <Edico> how is better for a ntfs device, to have an entry in fstab and mount it automatically when the system starts or to not have an entry in fstab and mountit using nautilus (with a single click)?
[15:21] <Daekdroom> I havve my ntfs partition on a fstab entry and no problems.
[15:22] <oobscure> hello, I'm using Firefox alpha aka Aurora as my daily browser. I want to set it as my default browser, but it's not available via GUI under Settings>System>Details>default applications. I created a .desktop file for Aurora, and copied it both in /usr/share/applications and .local/share/applications. That worked with regard to make Aurora show up in the global applications list, but it's still not available as a default web browser choice
[15:35] <Edico> php 5.4 was released, ubuntu 12.04 will maintain an official package for it?
[15:38] <ironhalik> Id guess not
[15:39] <ironhalik> But not sure about all the different freezes :>
[15:47] <zzecool> i think we allrdy got SO MANY openjdk updates than anything else
[15:48] <zzecool> everytime i refresh there is a openjdk update + icetea
[16:04] <Edico> I don't like too much unity
[16:05] <Edico> lots of useful things I've have before are not anymore now
[16:08] <Edico> how can I set the default view in all folders to be list and a smaller zoom level?
[16:08] <penguin42> any kde users finding their weather app not working as of last update?
[16:08] <Daekdroom> Edico, that is not Unity's fault, btw.
[16:09] <Daekdroom> It's in the first tab of the Nautilus preferences.
[16:10] <Edico> Daekdroom, I've found, thanks
[16:12] <Edico> Daekdroom, complains about unity I have about panels, cause I can't find how to add some applets to the above panel, how to have the menu in the window application not in the panel
[16:13] <Daekdroom> Applets don't exist anymore.
[16:13] <Daekdroom> Well, they never existed for Unity :P
[16:13] <Daekdroom> Classic GNOME still has them.
[16:13] <Edico> that system monitor applet was useful
[16:14] <Daekdroom> There's a system monitor indicator.
[16:14] <Edico> how can I add it to panel?
[16:14] <Daekdroom> Install indicator-multiload package
[16:15] <Daekdroom> then ALT+F2 'indicator-multiload' , right click it, go to preferences and select Autostart.
[16:15] <Daekdroom> and change it to suit your tastes
[16:17] <delight> penguin42: seems to work fine .. which one do you use  yawp oder the general weather plasmoid ?
[16:17] <Edico> nice :)
[16:19] <penguin42> delight: It says 'LCD weather station'
[16:20] <delight> penguin42: yes ... i just tryed that one too ... not showing any info
[16:20] <delight> penguin42: try this package plasma-widget-yawp
[16:20] <delight> yawp is pretty cool
[16:21] <penguin42> delight: Hmph that worked for a while
[16:22] <delight> penguin42: maybe ... i never used it before ... you still can try Yet Another Weather Plasmoid if you like ... at least till lcd weather is working again
[16:24] <penguin42> heck - yawp is impressive!
[16:25] <delight> penguin42: ;)
[16:26] <penguin42> delight: It's a wonderful bit of KDE configurability - the panel option screen is lovely!
[16:30] <penguin42> delight: It doesn't help that the temperature seems to have dived by about 10c in the last day or two :-(
[16:42] <piotr_kuna> hi there :)
[16:45] <piotr_kuna> hello!
[16:59] <FernandoMiguel> LOL
[16:59] <FernandoMiguel> gwibber is set to upload to yfrong instead of yfrog
[16:59]  * FernandoMiguel files
[17:03] <delight> anybody else here who had problem with wpa when upgrading from 11.10 to 12.04b1 ?
[17:04] <delight> switched my network temporary to wep, cause wpa is not working for me since the upgrade
[17:05] <pmjdebruijn> not really
[17:05] <pmjdebruijn> it just works over here
[17:05] <pmjdebruijn> which driver are you using?
[17:05] <pmjdebruijn> by any chance a proprietary one?
[17:11] <FernandoMiguel> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gwibber/+bug/946473
[17:12] <Daekdroom> There is no yfrog/yfrong on my gwibber prefences.
[17:12] <Daekdroom> *preferences
[17:16] <bjsnider> that could be a typo, or a huge conspiracy
[17:21] <FernandoMiguel> Daekdroom: it's right there on my screenshot
[17:21] <FernandoMiguel> hi bjsnider
[17:22] <bjsnider> hi
[17:22] <Daekdroom> FernandoMiguel, I don't have a yfrong option, really.
[17:22] <FernandoMiguel> I know
[17:22] <FernandoMiguel> gwibber is one of those app going to NO OPTIONS
[17:37] <notlistening> Hi I am running 12.04 updated today and can not get my 3G modem to register when plugging it in
[17:37] <notlistening> The only thing I can access is the usb storage, I have configured the system as before but now it will not add in the usb serial interfaces
[17:38] <notlistening> The option modules is not picking up the modem properly any ideas?
[17:39] <notlistening> Also I have blacklisted usb-storage but still the module is added in when I plugin the device
[18:05] <dr_willis> !find boot-repair
[18:06] <dr_willis> Bummer. I was hoping it would get included by default
[18:09] <freezer> !find remmina
[18:09] <freezer> has anyone been testing this? I found it rather unstable @ Fedora
[18:10] <dr_willis> !info remmina
[18:10] <dr_willis> replacement for vino?
[18:10] <dr_willis> !info vino
[18:10] <freezer> it uses freerdp
[18:11] <freezer> from the same devs in fact
[18:11] <freezer> 1.x was just released in 2012
[18:11] <dr_willis> given the issues ive seen with vino.. thats not somthing to brag about. :)
[18:12] <dr_willis> heh - remmina does seem to do nx also.. thats nice
[18:12] <freezer> rdp in general runs really smooth with it
[18:12] <freezer> however, the app crashed/froze a lot @ Fedora
[18:12] <freezer> it does VNC and SSH as well, i love the GUI
[18:12] <dr_willis> Hmm.. says its optional. but its allreay installed for me..
[18:13] <freezer> i'm using it productively @ work. So i was considering to switch to Ubuntu, given it runs stable here
[18:15] <dr_willis> well 12.x is still in testing. :) so beta and stable.. are often not in the same sentance,.
[18:16] <freezer> i think remmina was developed closely to debian. Even the stable release in Fedora was freezing on me
[18:18] <dr_willis> hmm. cant seem to get to a remmina vnc session on this linux box from my windows box. :) i maybe doing it wrong
[18:24] <freezer> error msg?
[18:24] <dr_willis> Unknown VeNCrypt authentication scheme from VNC server: 2
[18:25] <dr_willis> thats when i tried the reverse...   remmina to --->  windows vnc session
[18:25] <dr_willis> lets try the other way again. i never did get an error mesage.
[18:25] <freezer> [26696.487022] ata2: limiting SATA link speed to 1.5 Gbps
[18:25] <freezer> hhm ;_
[18:25] <freezer> that was sata hotplug though
[18:28] <dr_willis> oh well.. work on it later.
[19:22] <DrHalan> hey.. is it still possible to import a package from sid that hasn't been packaged yet?
[19:24] <zzecool> glosoli:
[19:24] <glosoli> ?
[19:24] <zzecool> did you tried wunderkit
[19:24] <glosoli> hmm no, how is it different
[19:24] <glosoli>  ?
[19:25] <zzecool> its a social network with wunderlist build in
[19:25] <zzecool> nice deisign
[19:25] <zzecool> but a bit complicated
[19:25] <zzecool> design*
[19:25] <zzecool> afk
[19:26] <glosoli> zzecool: Why would I want to share my wunderlist with anyone :D
[19:26] <zzecool> i dont know
[19:27] <zzecool> So they will now not only what you are doing now but what you are planing lol
[19:27] <zzecool> in what world are we living
[19:27]  * zzecool watching ancient aliens  =)  afk
[19:37] <glosoli> zzecool: :DD
[19:46] <DrHalan> can somebody help me with my packageing issue?
[19:46] <glosoli> what kind of issue
[19:46] <DrHalan> i want to import a package from sid to precise
[19:46]  * penguin42 scrolls back
[19:46] <DrHalan> namely "libogre-1.7.4"
[19:47] <penguin42> DrHalan: If sid has a package you can grab the source package from sid and it may have a good chance of building on precise
[19:47] <penguin42> DrHalan: Of course it might not if it's got a bunch of other dependencies that are also in sid
[19:47] <DrHalan> okay.. but how do i get it to be included in the actual ubuntu repositoriesß
[19:47] <DrHalan> it shouldn't as its just a point release. libogre-1.7.3 is already in precise
[19:48] <penguin42> oh, erm that needs answering by someone who knows the procedures - I think it's a bit late for precise; but I think it would need a bug with a particular set of people subscribed
[19:49] <jtaylor> is it a bugfix only release?
[19:51] <Fyodorovna> jtaylor, no such thing.
[19:53] <penguin42> DrHalan: Why do you need the new one? Is it a minor fix or is something horribly broken in the current one?
[19:53] <DrHalan> well, i need at least 1.7.3-4
[19:53] <DrHalan> the current version in precise 1.7.3-3 is indeed horribly broken
[19:54] <DrHalan> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ogre/+bug/913523
[19:55] <penguin42> hmm, so the debian maintainer has marked it fix committed because it's fixed on his side but not on the ubuntu side
[19:55] <DrHalan> yeah
[19:56] <DrHalan> so i just want to know what to do know…. i don't really understand who is responsible for the package... ubuntu has no package maintainers right?
[19:56] <jtaylor> no
[20:00] <jack-> DrHalan: debian debs usually work fine on ubuntu
[20:00] <DrHalan> its not about that jack-
[20:00] <DrHalan> fact is
[20:00] <DrHalan> when people upgrade from oneiric the packages will brake
[20:00] <DrHalan> and so will some apps that use those packages..
[20:01] <jack> break, not brake
[20:01] <DrHalan> the problem was introduced because the packages were changed to support multiarch
[20:02] <jtaylor> urg that library looks awful
[20:02] <bjsnider> DrHalan, just submit a sync request for the upstream debian version
[20:03] <DrHalan> how do i do that? by fileing a bug?
[20:03] <bjsnider> yep
[20:03] <jtaylor> its not so easy now
[20:03] <bjsnider> it's a type of bug
[20:03] <jtaylor> we need a feature freeze exception
[20:03] <jtaylor> and a transition
[20:03] <bjsnider> you'll have to provide a damned good reason
[20:03] <jtaylor> the crappy thing has no poper soversioning
[20:04] <jtaylor> how did that make it into debian?
[20:04] <bjsnider> who develops it?
[20:04] <DrHalan> who develops Ogre3Dß
[20:05] <DrHalan> ogre3d is the most popular opensource 3d-engine afaik
[20:05] <bjsnider> what's the point of the lib? what does it do?
[20:05] <mikeconcepts> nm-applet crashes when I try to connect to a hidden network, Dell D410, any work around, have seen bug reports but not found work around, please help if you can
[20:06] <jtaylor> a library that breaks compatibility on a minor release has no place in debian/ubuntu if you ask me ._.
[20:06] <jtaylor> even if it is so popular
[20:07] <DrHalan> the break is because the libs were moved from /usr/lib to /usr/lib/multiarch-triplet
[20:07] <DrHalan> which isn't so easy because it uses a plugin system
[20:07] <jtaylor> that does not break anything
[20:07] <jtaylor> it may require some fixing but the location of the library does not break abi and api
[20:08] <bjsnider> jtaylor, it was a soname bump?
[20:09] <jtaylor> yes
[20:10] <jtaylor> not a large transition, so when someone gets a ffe it can be done
[20:10] <DrHalan> well there is a configfile in the package that tells the application where the plugins are and iirc the file wasn't updated when the plugin-locations changed
[20:11] <jtaylor> it also has an issue with the hardening flags
[20:12] <DrHalan> what i don't understand however
[20:12] <DrHalan> is that they're different packages in debina for minor versions
[20:12] <DrHalan> although the API doesn't change..
[20:12] <jtaylor> it did change
[20:13] <jtaylor> either that or the package is bd
[20:13] <jtaylor> bad
[20:14] <DrHalan> maybe it did
[20:25] <andrewaclt> If I'm usuing 12.04 LTS beta, is switching to the 12.04 release just a matter of apt-get upgrade? Do oyu have to run do-release-upgrade?
[20:27] <andrewaclt> nevermind answered in #ubuntu
[20:40] <micahg> FernandoMiguel: I shouldn't have one :)
[20:40] <FernandoMiguel> ah
[20:40] <FernandoMiguel> so that's why
[20:48] <esmirlin> chicos he instalado la beta1 de ubuntu 12.04 y no puedo iniciar la versión 3d de unity, directamente se inicia la versión 2d, os pasa a alguno más¿?
[20:49] <esmirlin> hey guys i cant start ubuntu 12.04 beta1 in unity 3d always log in in 2d, anyone is having same issue?
[20:49] <FernandoMiguel> !es | esmirlin
[20:50] <FernandoMiguel> esmirlin: compiz is a tad broken for a few days
[20:50] <FernandoMiguel> could be it
[20:50] <faissal> hi guys, any idea how i can configure the notify-osd overlays ??? i would like to change its position
[20:51] <DrHalan> faissal: they're hardcoded afaik
[20:51] <faissal> DrHalan: i remember u could change the position in previous version
[20:52] <esmirlin> FernandoMiguel: the thing is that the livecd works perfectly
[20:52] <faissal> DrHalan: half of my OSD notification is out the screen range
[20:53] <Fyodorovna> esmirlin, update and upgrade in 2d and check additional drivers.
[20:53] <esmirlin> Fyodorovna: i already did it, i'm using a hybrid card
[20:54] <Fyodorovna> esmirlin, and you find it unnecessary to actually name it eh.
[20:55] <esmirlin> sorry, i don't really understand hardware stuff :(
[20:56] <Fyodorovna> esmirlin, details are important if you can give any.
[20:56] <esmirlin> ok so normally i use bumblebee in 11.04
[20:56] <esmirlin> sorry 11.10
[20:56] <esmirlin> so maybe if i install it here it can works
[20:58] <Deihmos> windows snap does not work
[21:02] <esmirlin> Fyodorovna: ??
[21:03] <Fyodorovna> esmirlin, yes, I'm not really familiar with bumblebee, I would look on the web, really running a development with that graphic setup leaves you sort of out in the breeze alone .
[21:09] <Deihmos> the beta should be called alpha
[21:09] <Deihmos> I get so many crash messages
[21:09] <jpds> Deihmos: I get none.
[21:09] <Deihmos> lucky you
[21:09] <Fyodorovna> development is not for begginers
[21:10] <freezer> hi
[21:11] <zzecool> Deihmos: in alpha 2 there were less crashes
[21:11] <zzecool> thats true
[21:11] <zzecool> but its is going to be ok
[21:11] <KingPhisher> Hello everyone, I was having a problem in 11.10 and upgraded to 12.04, but the problem persists. I had previously installed gimp from a ppa, but then I purged it and tried to reinstall gimp through sudo apt-get install gimp. This is the output: http://pastie.org/3521345 . I have also tried compiling from source, but it doesn't work either.
[21:11] <zzecool> nothing its fatal
[21:12] <Deihmos> does windows snap work for anyone
[21:13] <zzecool> KingPhisher: disable all 3rd party ppas
[21:13] <zzecool> and leave only the official running
[21:13] <Fyodorovna> Deihmos, works in my gnome 3
[21:13] <zzecool> and retry
[21:13] <KingPhisher> how would i do that?
[21:13] <Deihmos> does it work in the unity desktop
[21:14] <zzecool> KingPhisher: how do you instal a program whats your experience do you use synaptic , apt-get , update manager ?
[21:14] <zzecool> tell me so i can guide you
[21:15] <KingPhisher> zzecool: i have used mainly apt-get from the command line
[21:15] <zzecool> ok
[21:16] <KingPhisher> update manager for updates
[21:16] <DrHalan> libogre-1.7.4 from sid failed to install and now im unable to remove it from dkpg :/
[21:16] <zzecool> do you have synaptic installed?
[21:16] <DrHalan> it has no files installed.. can i somehow remove the entry for it in the dpkg-database?
[21:16] <KingPhisher> i don't know let me check
[21:16] <zzecool> nevermind
[21:16] <zzecool> KingPhisher: run the update manager
[21:16] <KingPhisher> zzecool: i have synaptic
[21:16] <zzecool> ah
[21:17] <zzecool> ok run synaptic
[21:17] <KingPhisher> with sudo i guess right?
[21:17] <zzecool> no
[21:17] <zzecool> dont use terminal
[21:17] <KingPhisher> ok
[21:17] <zzecool> at all
[21:17] <zzecool> open the dash type synaptic and it will appear
[21:17] <zzecool> it is going to ask you for pass no need a sudo
[21:17] <KingPhisher> ok do i authenticate
[21:17] <zzecool> yeap
[21:18] <KingPhisher> ok
[21:18] <zzecool> go settings
[21:18] <zzecool> repositories
[21:18] <KingPhisher> yup
[21:18] <zzecool> in the first tab is everything checked?
[21:19] <KingPhisher> yes
[21:19] <zzecool> ok
[21:19] <zzecool> go to 2nd
[21:19] <KingPhisher> here only canonical partners and independent are checked
[21:19] <KingPhisher> 4 checks in totla
[21:19] <zzecool> hmmm
[21:20] <KingPhisher> bunch of ppas are unchecked it says disabled on upgrade to precise
[21:20] <zzecool> i see
[21:20] <krise> I need some advaice here.Im running kubuntu 12.04. Im useing 2 desktops, one is regular desktop and other search and launch.With 11.04 there was no panels shown on search and launch desktop. How can i hidem now
[21:20] <zzecool> this is the repositories that you have add  probably following tutorials on the net
[21:20] <zzecool> to add new software
[21:21] <KingPhisher> yes
[21:21] <zzecool> wait a sex
[21:21] <zzecool> sec
[21:21] <zzecool> lol
[21:21] <KingPhisher> haha
[21:21] <KingPhisher> irc is a typo fest
[21:21] <zzecool> im a typo monster
[21:21] <zzecool> 2 on 3 are typos
[21:21] <zzecool> ;p
[21:22] <zzecool> so close the sources window
[21:22] <zzecool> and go back to synaptics
[21:22] <KingPhisher> yep
[21:22] <FernandoMiguel> zzecool: add-apt----
[21:22] <zzecool> up on there is a small filter box
[21:22] <zzecool> FernandoMiguel: ?
[21:22] <FernandoMiguel> there's no synaptic installed this days
[21:22] <FernandoMiguel> only software center
[21:23] <KingPhisher> FernandoMiguel: i have it installed
[21:23] <zzecool> FernandoMiguel: we know that it isnt installed by default this isnt news
[21:23] <FernandoMiguel> :)
[21:23] <zzecool> KingPhisher: type there gimp
[21:23] <zzecool> and check if anything related to gimp is installed
[21:24] <KingPhisher> whole whack of stuff related to gimp
[21:24] <KingPhisher> but: The program 'gimp' is currently not installed.  You can install it by typing:
[21:24] <KingPhisher> sudo apt-get install gimp
[21:24] <zzecool> is gimp  , gimp common  etc installed/
[21:24] <zzecool> sec
[21:25] <KingPhisher> no there is nothing in the installed version field
[21:25] <KingPhisher> wait!
[21:25] <KingPhisher> except gimp-data and libgimp
[21:25] <zzecool> aha
[21:25] <KingPhisher> uninstall?
[21:26] <zzecool> right click on them remove including the configuration
[21:26] <KingPhisher> ok
[21:26] <zzecool> press apply
[21:26] <KingPhisher> removing...
[21:26] <zzecool> ok
[21:26] <zzecool> pray
[21:26] <zzecool> ;p
[21:26] <KingPhisher> praying is essential :P
[21:26] <zzecool> it is
[21:26] <zzecool> :)
[21:27] <KingPhisher> ok ill retry apt-get?
[21:27] <zzecool> especially the old days where almost anything could result in kernel panic  lol
[21:27] <KingPhisher> ahh kernel panic the bsod of linux ;)
[21:27] <zzecool> ;p
[21:27] <zzecool> ok
[21:28] <zzecool> so now you can install gimp like follow
[21:28] <KingPhisher> oh wait i have to close synaptic
[21:28] <zzecool> apt
[21:28] <zzecool> or synaptic
[21:28] <zzecool> or software center
[21:28] <zzecool> in synaptic you filter for gimp
[21:28] <zzecool> and right click install only gimp
[21:28] <KingPhisher> apt-get is downloading so far so good
[21:28] <zzecool> and it will pull the dependencies alone
[21:28] <zzecool> its the same
[21:29] <zzecool> synaptics is a gui for apt
[21:29] <KingPhisher> i figured that ;p
[21:29] <swat_> evening
[21:29] <zzecool> ok try to install
[21:29] <KingPhisher> ok wait now there is a new error upon running gimp
[21:29] <zzecool> is it installed?
[21:29] <KingPhisher> yeah
[21:30] <zzecool> so we made it with this
[21:30] <zzecool> but found a new one
[21:30] <KingPhisher> gimp: error while loading shared libraries: libgegl-0.0.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[21:30] <KingPhisher> back to synaptic i guess to search for this
[21:30] <zzecool> yes
[21:31] <zzecool> search for libgegl
[21:31] <zzecool> it is there
[21:31] <zzecool> i have it installed
[21:31] <juppidu> hi guys, I cannot find sun-java6-plugin, so was on partner's repo, wasn't it?
[21:31] <zzecool> juppidu: not any more
[21:31] <KingPhisher> ok how about uninstalling this and gimp and then reinstalling
[21:31] <zzecool> KingPhisher: it was allrdy installed?
[21:32] <KingPhisher> yup
[21:32] <zzecool> strange
[21:32] <zzecool> you can right click reinstall
[21:32] <juppidu> zzecool: well so I have to install it from oracle?
[21:32] <jtaylor> juppidu: sun-java is illegal to distribute now
[21:32] <jtaylor> you must download it yourself
[21:32] <itaylor57> juppidu, http://www.webupd8.org/2011/09/how-to-install-oracle-java-7-jdk-in.html
[21:32] <juppidu> ok
[21:32] <micahg> juppidu: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-security-announce/2012-January/001554.html
[21:32] <zzecool> juppidu: follow that link :P
[21:32] <juppidu> :O
[21:32] <juppidu> ok
[21:33] <itaylor57> juppidu, i run oracle 7 myself
[21:33] <juppidu> I need to use aptana and it want java :|
[21:33] <zzecool> itaylor57: but you run the script every day because every day we have an openjdk update  loool
[21:33] <zzecool> ;p
[21:35] <juppidu> and if use lucid partners?
[21:35] <freezer> will precise future kernel 3.3?
[21:35] <freezer> *feature
[21:35] <juppidu> I'll get some problems?
[21:35] <zzecool> maybe
[21:36] <zzecool> juppidu: not for you i dont know
[21:36] <micahg> freezer: only as backport kernel later
[21:36] <zzecool> freezer: maybe we have some time before kernel freeze
[21:36] <micahg> although probably not 3.3
[21:36] <itaylor57> zzecool, i can run oracle 7 or open jdk 7, but java dist hasn't change in weeks
[21:36] <juppidu> zzecool: ok I'll try it
[21:36] <micahg> zzecool: freezer: no, 3.2 was decided for precise
[21:36] <zzecool> ohh didnt know that
[21:37] <zzecool> is there any significnt improvement on 3.3 ?
[21:37] <zzecool> significant *
[21:37] <freezer> rc6 powersave?
[21:37] <micahg> we have rc6 features in 3.2
[21:37] <zzecool> i think we allrdy have that
[21:38] <zzecool> the one that the vga goes in deep freeze state and doesnt eat power right ?
[21:38] <micahg> freezer: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2012-February/034782.html
[21:38] <freezer> sounds good
[21:38] <KingPhisher> zzecool: thanks for the help! i removed libgegl and libbabl and then reinstalled everything and now it works.
[21:39] <zzecool> KingPhisher: my pleasure  :)
[21:39] <zzecool> KingPhisher: you have some work with your ppa's now
[21:39] <KingPhisher> haha
[21:40] <ESphynx> hey guys, what's with this 'Alt', Release shortcut?
[21:40] <zzecool> there is an application that check if there is support for the same ppa in precise and re-enables them
[21:40] <zzecool> ESphynx: ?
[21:40] <ESphynx> zzecool: I press alt, release, and it brings up a 'Search: ' bar
[21:40] <ESphynx> Unity thing or what not
[21:40] <zzecool> it called HUD
[21:40] <ESphynx> it seriously intereferes with my app
[21:41] <zzecool> i can help you with disabling it
[21:41] <ESphynx> alt activates my app menu bar.
[21:41] <zzecool> if you want
[21:41] <ESphynx> please :)
[21:41] <KingPhisher> i dunno doesn't appear for me
[21:41] <zzecool> ok
[21:41] <zzecool> ESphynx: do you have ccsm installed?
[21:41] <ESphynx> I wish you'd help me kill it from existence... but I realize you might be unwilling :P
[21:41] <ESphynx> zzecool: hmm don't think I have on this particular VM.
[21:41] <zzecool> install it
[21:41] <ESphynx> ok.
[21:42] <zzecool> because i dont remember the gsettings command :F
[21:42] <ESphynx> what's the name again
[21:42] <ESphynx> compiz- ....
[21:42] <freezer> which VM can you guys recommend for direct x games?
[21:42] <zzecool> compizconfig-settings-manager i thing
[21:42] <ESphynx> thanks
[21:42] <zzecool> freezer: win 7 :D
[21:42] <ESphynx> zzecool: can you explain me the logic of this?
[21:43] <zzecool> you can search for it
[21:43] <freezer> zzecool, hhaha
[21:43] <zzecool> its actually your application menu
[21:43] <zzecool> a search in the menu.
[21:43] <zzecool> i didnt like it
[21:43] <freezer> vmware workstation lags my system to death
[21:44] <esmirlin> Fyodorovna: hey is there any way to add this to precise? ppa:ubuntu-x-swat/x-updates ???
[21:44] <zzecool> freezer: if you are a gamer then you are doomed to dual boot
[21:44] <zzecool> or have a win 7 machine
[21:44] <ESphynx> zzecool: got ccsm up ...
[21:44] <freezer> was Fedora though, but i'm traumatized and rather not try it under ubuntu
[21:44] <zzecool> sad but true
[21:44] <zzecool> ok
[21:44] <zzecool> wait
[21:44] <zzecool> ESphynx: go to unity plugin
[21:44] <freezer> zzecool, not really, i just need to use it for testing if gameservers works, no good FPS required
[21:45] <Fyodorovna> esmirlin, there isn't  precise on it yet
[21:45] <esmirlin> ahh ok so this is the problem
[21:45] <ESphynx> zzecool: ok got it :P thanks.
[21:45] <juppidu> zzecool: oh it was removed from lucid too :(
[21:45] <zzecool> :)
[21:45] <Fyodorovna> generally for older ati I believe anyway.
[21:45] <zzecool> ESphynx: its was the first option
[21:45] <zzecool> :)
[21:45] <ESphynx> zzecool: seriously, I wish WMs were less intrusive.
[21:45] <zzecool> Kill it with fire before it lay eggs
[21:46] <ESphynx> Alt-+ shortcut for examples
[21:46] <ESphynx> or even F* !!
[21:46] <zzecool> :o
[21:46] <ESphynx> leave those to the apps! please! :)
[21:51] <juppidu> thanks to all bye
[21:52] <marvrll> Hi. I have just ran do-release-upgrade (from 10.04 LTS to 12.04-beta1 LTS) and I'm wondering what will happen with my ppa's forr lucid? they will got automagically "converted" to precise?
[21:54] <marvrll> I have ppa for nginx, mpd, and xorg-edgers
[21:54] <Daekdroom> I think they are commented out upon upgrade.
[21:54] <Daekdroom> You have to check whether they are available for precise first.,
[21:55] <pangolin> Daekdroom: marvrll correct, all PPA's  get commented out and not used for the upgrade.
[22:02] <atari2600a> okay now software-center got magically removed
[22:02] <FernandoMiguel> lol
[22:03] <marvrll> whoa
[22:03] <atari2600a> every release cycle
[22:03] <ESphynx> guys, how does one build a 32 bit package on a 64 bit machine, with multiarch?
[22:03] <atari2600a> EVERY FREAKING ONE
[22:03] <jpds> atari2600a: Hi.
[22:03] <atari2600a> key packages manage to remove themselves from existence
[22:03] <Fyodorovna> atari2600a, you probably removed something that removed it as well, were you looking.
[22:03] <atari2600a> jpds, do I know you?
[22:03] <atari2600a> Fyodorovna, any removes I've done were autoremoves
[22:04] <atari2600a> this is a fresh install
[22:04] <jpds> atari2600a: Do you have the ubuntu-desktop package installed?
[22:04] <atari2600a> jpds, dear god I hope so
[22:04] <Fyodorovna> atari2600a, could of happened with a install as well.
[22:04] <atari2600a> okay what the hell it was gone
[22:04] <atari2600a> how does that even happen
[22:04] <jpds> atari2600a: Not sure, but you should always check it's there before upgrading.
[22:05] <atari2600a> I DIDN'T UPGRADE
[22:05] <atari2600a> *unless you mean a non-dist-upgrade
[22:05] <atari2600a>  this explains why Ubuntu One was magically missing as well though
[22:05] <atari2600a> I don't get it...what could have removed it...
[22:06] <atari2600a> maybe ubuntu-restricted extras or ubuntu-restricted-addons?
[22:06] <jpds> No.
[22:08] <Fyodorovna> atari2600a, if your having so many problems maybe you should ask if running a development is wise, at least for a stable emotional state.
[22:18] <atari2600a> skype maybe?
[22:19] <jpds> atari2600a: No, I have that installed.
[22:19] <zzecool> atari2600a: read this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1641400
[22:19] <zzecool> its for ppl like you whining  because they didnt knew
[22:19] <zzecool> :)
[22:20] <zzecool> now on you will know :)
[22:21] <zzecool> And one more hind is when using an laph or Beta stick to the main archive and not your local mirrors as they get lazy with the updates
[22:21] <zzecool> and gives you more "partial update" errors
[22:22] <zzecool> cause the dependencies not fulfilled
[22:32] <marvrll> okay, now grub-pc configurator is asking me which of my partition (or disk - I've got only one - sda) is GRUB install device... i have /dev/sda (disk) /dev/sda1 (/boot) and /dev/sda3 (/)
[22:32] <marvrll> which to choose?
[22:33] <marvrll>  /dev/sda, I think?
[22:33] <jpds> zzecool: Who said the mirrors were lazy?
[22:33] <zzecool> i did
[22:34] <jpds> zzecool: You know that they're a community run effort and most are set to sync every 6 hours?
[22:35] <marvrll> help?
[22:35] <zzecool> jpds: no i dont know that but i had serious problems with some locals
[22:35] <ActionParsnip> marvrll: set it to /dev/sda   as you only have 1 drive
[22:35] <jpds> zzecool: Then contact the admins and let them know.
[22:35] <zzecool> there were 1 or 2 days old
[22:35] <marvrll> ActionParsnip: done. thanks.
[22:36] <jpds> zzecool: As I said, contact the admins, they're the only ones that can fix it.
[22:38] <zzecool> jpds: when someone is having dependencies problem and we are here trying to find a fix  , im not going to contact anyone  im just advice to use the main and 99% of the time works
[22:38] <zzecool> i know what you trying to do
[22:39] <zzecool> dont be afraid the testers are not so many to introduce any problem and the final update  on the release date
[22:39] <jpds> zzecool: No, as a mirror admin myself, I like to be told when there are problems.
[22:39] <zzecool> im not giving this advice on #ubuntu
[22:42] <zzecool> jpds: i see
[22:58] <jakko> how do I get the same dock behavior in 12.04?
[22:59] <jakko> in 11.10 the dock would auto hide in fullscreen
[23:01] <Daekdroom> jakko, System settings > Appearance > Behaviour
[23:03] <jakko> i don't wan tit always hidden. that's the only option I see
[23:03] <jakko> in 11.10 it remained visible unless an app was full screen
[23:05] <Daekdroom> jakko, you're after 'dodge active windows' option, which was removed for good
[23:06] <jakko> well that sucks
[23:07] <glosoli> jakko: even there were many complains, it won't come back :)
[23:08] <jakko> I found it to be good feature WHen I use the window snap i get the full screen
[23:09] <jakko> having to apps open in snap side by side makes it uneven with the dock
[23:09] <glosoli> jakko: I did too :) Now I'm just trying to get used to Always Shwon
[23:09] <glosoli> Shown''
[23:11] <jakko> no way to manually hide the doskc ?
[23:11] <jakko> dock
[23:12] <glosoli> you can't either it is always shown are hidden
[23:12] <glosoli> hidden = auto hidden
[23:13] <jakko> and there is no way to put the dock at the bottom?
[23:16] <Daekdroom> jakko, not by default. There is a modified version of Unity that has the Launcher at the bottom, but it's not working with Precise's Unity AFAIK
[23:16] <Daekdroom> *as far as I know
[23:25] <filo1234> hi all, I'm looking for a problem using gphpedit, it doesn't create a new file, btw I'm using lubuntu now and I'll like to know if this issue is lxde related or afflict gnome too, so can someone install gphpedit and say me if gets same problem? thanks
[23:27] <filo1234> http://paste.ubuntu.com/869105/ this is the error
[23:31] <KI7MT> I'm testing Ubuntu ISO installs in VirtualBox, currently on UB-DESK-AMD64, and my monitor type is not being identified, nor can I change the resolution beyond 1024x768, any ideas?
[23:32] <FernandoMiguel> KI7MT: install vb tools
[23:34] <KI7MT> Ok,. let me give that a whirl.
[23:40] <KI7MT> FernandoMiguel, Ok, I've installed them, do i need to reboot the box, or just log out & back in ?
[23:40] <FernandoMiguel> reboot vm
[23:44] <KI7MT> kk
[23:47] <zuti> what would be the way to compile wine with 12.04? build-dep doesn't get the needed libraries
[23:48] <glosoli> zuti: why would you need to compile ?
[23:50] <zuti> the included version doesn't work for me as well as the ones i previously compiled. don't know why, would like to compare
[23:50] <KI7MT> FernandoMiguel, ok, now the monitor is saying it's VBX, but Im unable to change anything in the display properties.
[23:51] <KI7MT> In fact I can't even close the display properties box now.
[23:51] <zuti> glosoli: also to apply patches if need be...
[23:51] <glosoli> zuti: hmm what exactly doesn't work ?
[23:52] <FernandoMiguel> zuti: with multi arch mixed on that, it gets way trickier
[23:52] <KI7MT> It finally let me change things, however, its still stuck at a mx res of 1024x768
[23:52] <FernandoMiguel> KI7MT: change to the size you want and refresh the HOST size
[23:52] <jiohdi> I put in do-release-upgrade, trying to get 12.04 beta, but got, no new upgrade available
[23:52] <jiohdi> why/
[23:53] <jiohdi> ?
[23:53] <zuti> glosoli: i have just been testing with a few installed games, and they seem to be failing left and right compared to a few days ago on old setup
[23:53] <Num83rGuy> Does anyone know what is blocking the nvidia drivers from working?
[23:53] <glosoli> zuti: maybe because of new wine ?
[23:53] <FernandoMiguel> jiohdi: add -d
[23:53] <zuti> glosoli: was using rc4 before
[23:54] <jiohdi> don't upgrades block new drivers, you may have to re-install nvidia drivers?
[23:54] <glosoli> zuti: aa sorry :) got the same strange problems as teamviewer worked fine on Oneiric, on Precise not that fine
[23:54] <zuti> FernandoMiguel: yup, i noticed. fun fun :)
[23:54] <jiohdi> thanks FernandoMiguel  :)
[23:55] <KI7MT> FernandoMiguel, I figured it out, you have to be in full-screen-mode to get the higher resolutions.
[23:56] <Num83rGuy> Nah, they install fine and the modules load but are blocked by nouveau. uninstalling nouveau uninstalls most if not all thing that use X.
[23:57] <Num83rGuy> Trying to figure out how to block nouveau from loading so that the nvidia drivers can work.
[23:57] <zuti> glosoli: yep... would be nice to compile the version i previously had and check if everything works. i see even the winehq wiki is telling to build-dep wine1.4:i386 on 12.04, but that's a no go.
[23:57] <Num83rGuy> Perhaps I need to do it another way.
[23:58] <Num83rGuy> I haven't seen reports of this either.
[23:58] <Danawar2> Hey Ubuntu#1 How do i change 12.04 to gnome?
[23:58] <Num83rGuy> Maybe it's only me.
[23:59] <ActionParsnip> danawar2: Ubuntu 12.04 already has gnome if you are not using Xubntu, Lubuntu or Kubuntu
[23:59] <oldos2er> Num83rGuy: how are you trying to install them? Recommded way is to run jockey-gtk
[23:59] <Danawar2> My is using unity
[23:59] <Num83rGuy> That would be it.
[23:59] <_Marcus> How much memory does 12.04 take up?