[00:01] dont know. Probably driver problems [00:01] MCR1: also, cat /home/your_user_name/.xsession-errors [00:06] ironhalik: that was a long output :) [00:06] uh, you can 'tail -30' it :> [00:06] or open it with gedit or sth [00:07] ok [00:10] MCR1: it seems that int3 is a breakpoint. Like if compiz was running in debug mode [00:12] spacebug-: I used my 11.10 compizconfig configuration and copied my old home dir, maybe that is causing incompatibilities... [00:13] spacebug-: ** WARNING **: Trying to register gtype 'GMountMountFlags' as enum when in fact it is of type 'GFlags' [00:13] what version of compiz do you use? [00:14] Compiz 0.9.7.0 [00:14] the warning I posted above is from .xsession-errors [00:15] after that another warning of this type, then the crash... [00:16] MCR1: see this chat http://pastebin.com/cD8eigVe [00:17] so, because you are running 12.04 BETA 1 or you have some PPA for compiz it is built with debugging on [00:17] and for some reason you hit that part of the code that triggers the int 3 [00:17] might be bad drivers or something else.. [00:18] of course you could try removeing/resettign the config [00:18] spacebug-: thx a lot for your help. now I am a bit wiser. still hard to cope with it. gotta fix that. [00:19] yeah enoying of cours [00:19] e [00:19] compiz is 0.9.7.0~bzr3025-r3034-p737~precise1 [00:20] hi, if i apt-get remove network-manager and set the /etc/network/interfaces to http://pastie.org/3514944 then the machine can't connect to the network on startup and it displays "waiting for network configuration..." [00:20] what am i doing wrong? i want to set a static IP (w/o GUI) [00:21] Is there a way to get in contact with actual compiz/unity developers as it seems that the compiz project outside Ubuntu is asleep... ? [00:21] MCR1: you can check the copyright file [00:22] chelz: ? [00:22] hm [00:22] nvm [00:23] MCR1: http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/c/compiz/compiz_0.8.6-0ubuntu9/compiz.copyright [00:23] from http://packages.ubuntu.com/maverick/compiz -> "copyright file". so yeah that's from maverick, since newer compiz releases don't seem to have one [00:24] i think something broke vlc [00:24] is anyone able to play anything with vlc? [00:24] I am [00:25] levu: seems correct [00:25] can you try it now [00:25] $ apt-cache policy vlc [00:25] Installed: 2.0.0-4 [00:25] zzecool: it brokes Xorg ? [00:25] i have the same [00:25] it hungs [00:25] zzecool: it works for me [00:25] and i have to kill -9 it [00:25] hmm [00:25] ;D [00:25] I'm getting that with totem [00:25] on some movies [00:25] levu: sure it is eth0 ? [00:25] strange used to play perfectly [00:26] like before yesterday [00:27] zzecool: vlc is broken here as well (v2.1.0 git) [00:27] MCR1: im using the 2.0.0.0-4 [00:27] but [00:28] i tried 2.1.0 [00:28] too [00:28] with the same results [00:28] just hungs [00:28] MCR1: its not the vlc its something else in ubunut that cause the problems [00:28] seems to be a recent update as it played recently... [00:28] ubuntu* [00:28] MCR1: indeed [00:30] spacebug-: yes, it's eth0 [00:31] spacebug-: at least it's eth0 when i start the system with network manager enabled === zzecool is now known as zzecool_afk [00:31] what dowa 'ifconfig -a' in a terminal give you? [00:31] does* [00:33] spacebug-: eth0 and lo (when network manager is enabled, when it's not i can't get into the system) [00:34] it's a vm and all i have is ssh, if it doesn't work i have to restore it from backup :D [00:35] hum [00:36] levu: anything in the logs? [00:37] spacebug-: don't know, i don't get into the machine after rebooting :/ [00:38] oh yeah [00:44] so i just added a second network interface, configured this one via /etc/network/interfaces and the other is (hopefully) configured with network-manager, but on startup there's still the message "Waiting for network configuration..." [00:46] levu: I started my virtual machine running 12.04 and removed package network-manager and changed my /etc/network/interfaces to look like yours (but my numbers for network) and it works great [00:47] weird... [00:47] maybe you have networknamager handle something more that f-ups when you uninstall it [00:49] i just tried to configure it with the interfaces without removing network manager and it works [00:50] hum [00:50] but since that is still running it takes over anyway? [00:51] I have tested 12.04 Beta 1 64 bit Live CD and can only get to web sites by typing the IP address. Has anyone else seen this issue? [00:51] Russ_W_, does it happen with any other computer on your network? [00:51] tr33m4n: no all other PC's are fine [00:51] spacebug-: seems if network-manager doesn't try to configure interfaces if there is an entry in the interfaces [00:52] levu: ok. So then it could work as an ugly hack till you figure out the real resaon =) [00:52] spacebug-: yes :) thx for your help :) [00:53] yw [00:53] Russ_W_, well I'm not entirely sure, try installing instead :p [00:53] Russ_W_, what is the card for lan and wireless? [00:54] tr33m4n: lol, it's the mrs win7 PC I'd be dead meat lol [00:54] hmm.. audio corrupion in minecraft [00:54] Russ_W_: on the other PC:s have you set them up manually when it comes to IP / DNS ? [00:54] unless you kill pulseaudio and restart minecraft [00:55] Fyodorovna: I will have to go look, it is an HP desktop with all onboard nics...I will go look [00:55] need to stop release of 12.04 until minecraft works perfectly ;) [00:55] and the fglrx driver is fixed [00:55] Russ_W_, lspci in the terminal wiil list stuff. [00:55] will* [00:56] spacebug-: No, automagic setup of devices and drivers, never had to mess with anything [00:56] snadge, some interesting things are happening to Java support at the mo, I wouldn't hold your breath [00:56] Fyodorovna: going to look now... [00:56] the bugs arn't that numerous though [00:57] Russ_W_: ok. As you describe it it seems that there is something wrong with dns servers but that should be configured automatically. Same with ip adress [00:57] glitchy sound.. which is probably a pulseaudio issue.. and it crashes on exit.. which is just yucky more than it is a huge problem [00:57] snadge, what jre are you using? [00:57] it seems to do it with all of them.. but at the momnet im on oracle 1.6u30 [00:58] openjdk 6 or 7 makes no difference [00:58] as does oracle 7 [00:58] snadge, have your tried oracle 7? [00:58] snadge, well good to hear it works with openjdk anyway [00:58] yeah.. you have to manually update libwjgl to the latest version otherwise it wont even run with oracle 7 ;) [00:59] they all seem to repeatedly crash on exit though.. if i knew more about java / stack tracing etc.. perhaps having the minecraft source code would help, which we dont [00:59] it might be prudent to report it to mojang.. but they traditionally care little about the linux port.. surprising they still support it [01:00] if i had to guess.. Xorg has updated something which is causing it to crash/exception [01:01] snadge, funny, I always thought Minecraft would be a game native to Linux, simply by the way it looks :p [01:01] also running it under compiz.. significantly reduces performance more than it used to.. unity2d less of an issue [01:04] just as well minecraft sucks now and im over it.. but the 1.2 update renewed interest for a few hours [01:05] snadge, never touched it, saw many friends lose many hours over it though [01:06] spacebug-:lspci outputs wired nic is Realtek RTL8101E/RTL8102E wireless is Ralink RT5390 (was not connected wireless at the time) [01:08] Russ_W_: well I don't know. If you get an ip and can browse the net using ip but not dns-names it seems the network interface works [01:27] Russ_W_, you need driver for those I believe. [01:29] Thank you spacebug- Fyodorovna [01:29] yw [01:30] Is there a liveCD for macbook pros? [01:35] ChrisGagnon, I believe so here is a link you will have to find the development version if there is one. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MactelSupportTeam/AppleIntelInstallation [01:36] ChrisGagnon, you might consider a release though really. [01:37] I am at a global jam, with someone who wants to test it... we are using virtualbox now. [01:38] sorry i have to ask, why ubuntu on a macbook pro? [01:39] Raggs: why not? [01:40] i can understand replacing XP Vista and even 7 with linux but dont see any advantage of using linux on a mac [01:40] ChrisGagnon, cool enjoy yourself now. :) [01:41] Fyodorovna: thanks :) [01:41] Raggs: there's quite a bit of Linux-specific software that doesn't run on OS X so if I had a Mac, I'd definitely do it [01:41] Raggs, it's not your mothers bsd. :) [01:41] Why not buy a regular PC if you're going to install Linux? [01:42] It's cheaper. [01:42] exactly, save a few hundred [01:42] Daekdroom, some want to mutliboot probably. [01:42] Well, there's that case. [01:42] I have a netbook tha is all Ican afford. [01:42] The thing is, don't buy a Mac unless you need OS X. [01:43] Daekdroom, they just want to check it out. [01:43] I never said they weren't :P [01:43] One could, for example, buy a Mac before learning they prefer a Linux distro. [01:44] hard to imagine [01:44] Raggs, dichotomies are all you understand? [01:44] Raggs: some people have money and like Ubuntu any way :) [01:45] * spacebug- has money but I dont want a mac. I want ubuntu ant that is what I'm running on all my computers [01:46] Fyodorovna, not at all, but i dont understand using a lesser OS on a mac [01:46] Raggs, lesser in the world opinion or yours? [01:46] i would say both [01:46] Raggs, beep your wrong that is your opinion. :) [01:47] It certainly is not mine, a OS is OS here. [01:47] Fyodorovna, really, when did linux overtake OSx? [01:47] i never said it as your opinion [01:47] Raggs, how does this relate to bug fixing and the development release [01:47] Raggs, does not matter, it is personal preference, not group think. [01:48] Raggs: I can contribute and make Ubuntu better, I can't do that for much of OS X [01:48] perhaps putting word in my mouth isnt a great idea, pay attention to what i actually AM saying [01:48] lets get back on topic please [01:49] bazhang, you are right, there was so much conversation going on, sorry for interrupting it [01:50] Raggs, thats not the point. chit chat in #ubuntu-offtopic [01:50] this channel is for those interested in testing and bug fixing, not comparing OSes [02:05] Hi guys I have an issue when connecting headphones the speaker sound is not muted and when I restart ubuntu 12.04 beta 1 with the headphones connected, when I disconnect them the speaker sound does not come back. [02:06] I have tested this on a HP desktop and headphones shows in the sound settings output, but on my Acer Aspire 8930g laptop its not there [02:06] any idea, whether this will be fixed before the final release, as it was working fine in 11.10 [02:07] I have raised a bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+bug/941219 [02:07] Launchpad bug 941219 in alsa-driver (Ubuntu) "Speaker Sound does not disable when Headphones are connected. Ubuntu 12.04 Alpha 2 " [Undecided,New] [02:10] shane_: did you upgrade och new install? [02:11] yes today [02:11] which? upgrade or new install? ;) [02:11] still the same [02:12] new install beta 1 [02:12] ok [02:12] i had hoped it would fix the issue, but it still remains [02:12] I was just thinking if there could be a config / setting that makes it work in 11.10 and not in 12.04 since it is a fresh install [02:13] it had been working since 10.10 to 11.10 with no issues [02:14] all I have now for the output is digital output (s/pdif) and Analogue output [02:14] no headphone output like I have on my HP desktop [02:15] just wondered if any sounds devs where in tonight [02:16] I only have the same outputs for my extra sound card but for my internal it shows headphone also [02:16] Question, is there going to be a non-Unity desktop or failsafe for Ubuntu 12.04? [02:16] mine is an internal realtek [02:17] no KI7MT you would have to install it via the USC [02:18] KI7MT: default I think you will have unity and unity 2d (as fallback). You can then ofcourse install gnome-shell and gnome-shell fallback [02:19] ok, thanks, that's what I was looking for the gnome-shell that will work, I have several neighbours that want 12.04, but want the same desktop gnome2.x.x [02:20] KI7MT: well gnome-shell for 12.04 will not look as the one for 11.10 and older [02:20] but the gnome-shell fallback I think will look something like it [02:21] Ok, as long as I can get some sort of gnome 2.x looking shell with pull down menu's I can make it work Im sure. [02:21] ;) [02:21] gnome-session-fallback if you install that you will have the menu you want [02:21] The more I use Ununti the more it's growing on me, but it's a "Very Slow" growth :-) [02:22] .. Unity ... [02:22] but its gnome 3, to add to the panel you need to hold now alt and right mouse click [02:22] I have been using unity since 11.04, and love it, [02:22] gnome-shell is far to much like tablet [02:23] I've been testing 12.04 servers and XB/LXDE but have stayed clear of Unity until thinngs are pretty stable, if there is such a point. [02:23] seems rather stable now KI7MT [02:23] much faster [02:24] Well the servers are doing well I know that much, and most fo the art-work for the other distro's seems to be in place so it's all comming together. [02:24] sweet [02:25] Problem I see with 3D Unity is it's going to cut out allot of older hardware from use, it's just going to be too heavy and require to much resource. [02:25] well then unity 2D could be the thing [02:26] have to say I agree with you, but its not an issue for me on my 1GB nvidia GPU [02:26] It's gonna have to be 2D for allot of folks Im affraid. [02:26] unity2D is looks quite nice now [02:26] looking* [02:27] I personally will be ok, I have 2 older i386 laptops for testing, but all my main rigs re 2GB+ and descent GPU's so I'm not too worried there. [02:28] Im updating all the CD Images this evening, gonna do a full round of VM installs tomorrow and see how things are shaping up. [02:28] I'm running 2D on my virtuell test machine and on one other virtual machine I'm running xubuntu [02:29] I test all the ISO for Install, and work on Ubuntu Desktop Apps testing in the QA group. [02:29] well I say all, not Cloud, ARM SPC and few of the strange ones. [02:30] shane_: about your sound problem, sure it is in alsa and not the sound card driver? I mean that detects when you plug in / out something to / from the card? [02:31] I'm not so sure, I think it has something to do with alsa, as I have seen a few updates to it since alpha releases [02:31] ok [02:32] *-multimedia [02:32] description: Audio device [02:32] product: 82801I (ICH9 Family) HD Audio Controller [02:32] vendor: Intel Corporation [02:32] physical id: 1b [02:32] bus info: pci@0000:00:1b.0 [02:32] version: 03 [02:32] width: 64 bits [02:32] clock: 33MHz [02:32] capabilities: pm msi pciexpress bus_master cap_list [02:32] configuration: driver=snd_hda_intel latency=0 [02:32] resources: irq:47 memory:db300000-db303fff [02:32] !pastebin [02:32] For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://imagebin.org/?page=add | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic. [02:33] sorry I was not aware of this [02:34] http://paste.ubuntu.com/867649/ [02:34] shane_, how did you get the info on your sound card just then? [02:35] Im not sure now did it the other day, lol and pasted it in a bug report [02:35] :-) .. that would be a nice one liner to have :-) [02:39] this is more info http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=73dc8d290b5d5bc17c68b53f044eba21361cbd60 [02:40] you can add this in terminal and get it: wget http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh -O alsa-info.sh && bash alsa-info.sh [02:40] cool thanks. [02:43] well I hope they fix it, I do a lot of music production, off to bed now, thanks for the chat guys [03:00] does anyone here like the new look of LightDM or am I the only one who likes it? === Omega- is now known as Omega [03:06] c_smith, LightDM looks is like the only single thing I haven't seen nobody complain about. [03:06] *anybody [03:10] Daekdroom, true. it must be good, then. [03:10] i dont see the point of the white dot grid in lightdm [03:11] or why they dont put a bigger clock calander ir weather report in the emoty space [03:13] dr_willis, not sure on that part myself, never noticed it, I mainly look at the part I use to log in. [03:13] xD [03:15] The weather report would be a bit troubling. [03:15] It'd require network AND configuration... but a login screen is something that affects more than 1 user.. [03:16] I wonder if it's possible to change the indicators there are in LightDM [03:16] linux as a desktop os still sucks pretty badly :P [03:17] even if unity worked properly, and there was no display driver bugs etc, theres still nothing to run under it anyway hehe [03:17] snadge, y u no liek Linuks? jk [03:17] it was a struggle just to play minecraft [03:18] fglrx is still a giant turd, with 2 critical bugs [03:18] which are receiving zero attention [03:18] riiiight. Like Windows doesn't have BSOD and other problems. [03:18] haha windows is awesome in comparison ;) [03:18] It's slower ;) [03:18] but honestly, there is plenty that runs on Linux really nicely, I.E. Revenge Of The Titans, Osmos, Dungeons Of Dredmor, etc. Revenge [03:19] fglrx is working better for me in 12* then in 11* [03:19] It's a matter of use, honestly. [03:19] fglrx has two show stopping bugs currently [03:19] window titles not updating (compiz/nux), and xv just crashes X whenever you try to play a video [03:21] i want to punch someone from amd in the nuts :P [03:21] I hate having to say this again, but I hardly think that punching a developer will get them to solve your problem. [03:21] well if theyre from amd, thats surely ok [03:21] AMD is trying to do a great job when it comes to hardware drivers. [03:22] i didnt mean someone from canonical, unless that would help ;) [03:22] I mean, Catalyst is less unstable than the nvidia blob, but they're actively working on the opensource driver, atleast. [03:22] *stable [03:22] in any case, i cant do anything to fix it, and there are people with that assigned responsibility who are failing to do anything about it [03:23] for months now [03:23] if it was windows, that would simply be unacceptable and/or it would be fixed by now [03:24] if it was windows they would have a team and a budget also... [03:24] but because its desktop linux, not enough people care. the sad reality [03:24] The Catalyst driver shares code with the Windows driver, dr_willis [03:25] yeah but windows doesnt run compiz, or use xv [03:25] so the linux specific stuff, gets less attention [03:27] but yeah besides problems with proprietary stuff that nobody seems to take ownership of or care about.. 12.04 is great ;) [03:28] the gpl driver us working good for my one ati box. so far [03:29] its okay.. noticed the screen corruption after login with lightdm? [03:29] the poor framerate in minecraft and oilrush? [03:30] the lack of hardware video accel support? ;) [03:31] Pretty easy to me, get rid of ATI :-) [03:31] inability to output audio via hdmi? hehe [03:32] oh yeah because nouveau is sooo much better [03:32] Both ATI an NV have their fair share of ups and downs .. but I gotta say I'm pretty happy with NV cards, had them on all my boxes since 6.xx days on Ubuntu [03:33] yeah but im not going to replace my video card, just because of buggy linux drivers [03:34] Well it's a pretty simple solution really, if it's not working, and you want it to work, somethign has to change. [03:34] which takes me back to punching someone from amd in the nuts [03:35] they keep improving things just ever so slightly yo keep you from doing that [03:35] Be it the OS, The Card or something. They already ahve your hard earned $$ in their bank, shouting at them probably wont make them move any faster :-) [03:36] if only i knew who to shout at [03:37] they keep themselves well hidden, probably have to hire body guards to move around in public [03:37] for fear of being lynched [03:37] Im sure they have a customer feedback forum somewhere. [03:37] i will try catalyst 12.2 when it comes out [03:38] if its still broken, i will remove the card and set fire to it [03:38] and post the charred remains to them [03:39] Me personally, I dont buy NV cards for at least a year or more after launch, especially if there going on a Linux Box, even on WinDoze the drivers take a good while to get sorted out. [03:39] *mails a cockroach I burned alive to snadge* [03:39] gah, forgot to use the /me tag and drop the asterisks..... curse my WoW playing...... [03:42] Is there a way to update xubuntu to the new beta? or do I need to do a clean install? [03:43] !final | ztag100 [03:43] ztag100: If you install a development version of Ubuntu Precise and keep up with package updates, then you will be upgraded to the official release of 12.04 when it comes out. To make sure, type « sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade » in a terminal. Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1. [03:44] that wasn't at all what I was asking [03:44] ztag100, or check this out http://www.webupd8.org/2011/01/xfce-48-ubuntu-1004-and-1010-ppas.html [03:44] I have 11.10, can I update that to 12.04 beta? [03:44] ztag100: yes, if you run update-manager -d [03:45] Thanks, is that unrecommended? [03:45] anyone run GS and if so do you know why none of the shell themes do not work [03:45] I want to try it out and see how it works [03:45] ztag100, on these new releases, your better off doing a fresh install rather than upgrading them. [03:46] ztag100: well 12.04 is just in beta so expect bugs & you may to have fix things yourself [03:46] KI7MT: what could happen if I don't [03:46] keep in mind, there's still allot of bugs and things there working on, so not even the fresh installs go without issue. [03:46] jbicha: I know that, I was wondering if anything bad could happen from updating rather then a fresh install [03:46] is it worse? [03:47] ztag100, maybe nothing (hopefully), but who knows, the code is in a constant state of upgrade so from one day to the next could be lots of changes. [03:47] ok [03:47] ztag100, you can clone the 11.10, so if somethings happens you are covered. [03:47] I guess I'll give it my best shot [03:47] ztag100: probably not, it is faster to "upgrade" using the new installer CD but the new ubiquity has bugs [03:48] I use minimal cds anyway [03:48] With regaurds to upgrading, that's just my personal prefrence. I'll upgrade LTS ver to LTS ver but not the point releases or those between. [03:49] ztag100, just make sure you have a backup ubuntu one work great for that [03:49] Alright [03:50] I never acutally used ubuntu one [03:50] :P [03:51] ubuntu one doesn't come with xubuntu?! [03:52] if not you can install it [03:52] ztag100: ubuntu one only comes by default with ubuntu, but it's easy to install it [03:53] jbicha: installing now, I'm just surprised it didn't come preinstalled [03:55] I think Ubuntu comes with Ubutu One Installer instead of Ubuntu One itself [03:57] yah, the package that I just installed was the installer [04:03] just wondering, does ubuntu one let me backup my system settings? or just files? [04:05] ask in #ubuntuone ztag100 [04:05] thanks [04:08] backing up? waste of time! [04:08] * ztag100 opens a terminal window and updates [04:09] alright guys, I'll see you on the other side! [04:10] How do you guys to the /me thing where you get the * then you username in the comments ? [04:10] what? [04:10] where? [04:11] you just did it a moment ago * ztag100 opens a terminal window and updates [04:11] ./me [04:11] its /me [04:11] Ahh ok thanks. [04:11] you just said it [04:11] lol [04:11] ./me so this is me then [04:11] no [04:11] LOL that didn't work [04:11] its just /me [04:12] * KI7MT just me [04:12] Cool. [04:12] ok back to real world stff :-) [04:12] when somebody says ./command in irc, you don't do the dot it's just so it isn't registered as a command [04:13] Oh I see like when you register passwd's and things to the nodes. [04:15] yah [04:15] any irc command starts with a / [04:29] Testing out Lubuntu 12.04 Beta, I keep getting errors and it wants to send a bug report, but all that does is take me to a website. Do I have to create an account just to send an error report? [04:34] adam__: you do. [04:34] the developers may ask for extra info not included in the report and without creating an account linked to an email address they can't. [04:36] I see, sorry for the rather noob-ish question, but thanks. [04:58] The gnome-classic session has a useless keyboard icon instead of an icon showing the active keyboard layout. I read the reasoning for this in http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1858038 but I haven't found a bug report in launchpad about it. [04:58] Under which package should I file the bug report? [05:03] alkisg: gnome-settings-daemon [05:03] Thank you jbicha :) [05:19] gnome-classic is back? [05:19] how's the speed difference from 12.04 to 11.10 [05:20] or just anothr confuseing term ;) [05:20] gnome-classic as in skinned gnome3 or gnome2? [05:20] ztag100, there is a fallback [05:20] cool [05:21] I'm using xubuntu, so it doesn't make a difference to me... but cool [05:21] I really hope they make a gubuntu [05:21] pseudo gnome 2 running in gnome 3, just install gnonme-shell and you get gnome 3 with the fallback. [05:22] gnome-shell* [05:23] Yes, but just like xubuntu isn't the same as installing xubuntu-desktop on ubuntu... gubuntu wouldn't be the same [05:24] cant say i niticed much of a differance in the 2 methods [05:24] WHY IS UBUNTU ONE NO LONGER A PACK-IN [05:24] seriously guys [05:24] why not take the kernel off the disk while you're at it [05:24] atari2600a: i have no idea what you mean [05:24] install from a CD then click Ubuntu One [05:25] & stop being mean to that nice megaman boy [05:26] still no idea ....... [05:27] atar2600a: are you ok? [05:33] Ah it appears to be a settings migration/update problem, I clean installed precise a couple of months ago and I've been seeing a useless keyboard icon since, but now that I tried gsettings reset-recursively org.gnome.gnome-panel, all is OK, I can see the layout. [05:34] I can even see the time now, previously it was in the middle of the top panel, in very dark colors :) [05:36] Another problem that I still have is that the text in the bottom panel is extremely dark, and it's almost hidden over the black background of the panel [05:39] ...just tried with a new user account, happens there too. Now to find the package where the colors are declared, so that I file a bug there... :-/ [05:41] i noticed some color and transparecy settings make that hud unuseable also [05:43] alkisg: that would be either gnome-panel or light-themes, you're probably also interested in bug 828392 [05:43] Launchpad bug 828392 in gnome-panel (Ubuntu) "light-themes don't display well in gnome-panel 3+" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/828392 [05:43] Thank you jbicha, looking... [05:49] Yup, that's the one... at least selecting another theme makes things readable again, until hopefully the bug is somehow resolved. [05:51] Nice, next bugs to tackle, are (1) that lightdm doesn't offer a method to select the session language (does it?), and [05:51] (2) that lightdm or some other component forces an english-only keyboard layout, instead of respecting the system-wide "us,gr" one... [05:51] Alright [05:51] my update is almost done [05:52] I'll see you on the other side! [06:05] Hey guys, posted Bug #946104 [06:05] Launchpad bug 946104 in Ayatana Design "multimonitor: Please give me a way to turn off sticky monitor edges" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/946104 [06:06]