[15:00] Hello [15:11] s-fox: Hey [15:11] s-fox: how are you man ? [15:13] Hello genupulas, how are you? [15:18] s-fox , i am good boss [15:18] s-fox: where are you now ? Home or ? [15:19] I am at home [15:19] why? [15:20] s-fox: nothing just like that [15:20] s-fox: whats the GMT [15:21] I will check [15:21] s-fox: hmm i am trying to motivate my studnets to Ubuntu from 2 years up to now i got one person [15:21] those guys are still afraid about a word callled Linux [15:22] 15:21 Sunday (GMT) - Time in United Kingdom [15:23] oh ok we are opposite then mine 21:00 [15:23] 6 hours [15:24] s-fox: main problem we are facing in this area is Intenet [15:24] a better internet [15:26] s-fox: you fell to busy i think , seeya later brother [15:40] * SuperEngineer hands s-fox a big bowl of deserved respect [15:41] Haha, thank you :) [17:38] hello, i've been trying to change the login screen, with both gksu gedit /etc/lightdm/unity-greeter.conf and simple light dm manager but it just changed to black... thanks foir your help [17:42] AAnderson72, could you maybe help me? [17:42] plz... === yofel_ is now known as yofel === JackyAlcine_ is now known as jalcine === jalcine is now known as JackyAlcine_ === JackyAlcine_ is now known as jalcine === jalcine is now known as JackyAlcine_ === JackyAlcine_ is now known as jalcine === jalcine is now known as JackyAlcine_ [20:56] !vpn [20:56] For more information on vpn please refer to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/VPN === JackyAlcine is now known as jalcine [21:12] Can someone give me some advice? First time Unbuntu user with mild scripting knowledge. Having trouble compiling src because of constant lib errors or other issues [21:13] Can someone give me some advice? First time Unbuntu user with mild scripting knowledge. Having trouble compiling src because of constant lib errors or other issues [21:18] c0ldfyre, whats up! [21:18] I can attempt to help or say where you can find help! [21:19] first off, how do you like Ubuntu? [21:19] I love it so far [21:19] Just been having trouble getting src files to play nice [21:20] I can post my prints if need be. These guys are coming up angry on everything I do..lol [21:22] * nlsthzn-work hugs his deb files... [21:22] I tried hugging my src files, but alas.... Nothing..... [21:24] Can anyone tell me why I get this error when I try to compile "Sourceinstaller"? [21:24] can any tell me why I'm getting this error when installing "sourceinstaller" [21:24] checking pkg-config is at least version 0.9.0... yes [21:24] checking for GTK... no [21:24] configure: error: could not detect required GTK >= 2.4 [21:25] src files don't respond well to hugging... they need to be taught some binary manners first... [21:25] sorry for the spam... [21:25] c0ldfyre: sudo aptitude install build-essential [21:26] c0ldfyre: sudo apt-get install libgtk2.0-dev [21:26] Each time you get an error like that, you're missing a -dev package [21:27] the sudo apt install. I can just run these from term as well? [21:28] correct [21:28] right on. lemme try [21:28] yes, or use the software center or synaptic if you prefer that [21:28] thanks guys [21:28] ok [21:29] cool. term is dwnlding them now [21:29] I've been tearing my hair out since like 12am [21:29] lol [21:30] c0ldfyre: do you really need to be compiling from source? === nlsthzn-work is now known as nlsthzn [21:58] What is happening here? [21:58] In file included from sourceinstall-gtk.c:24:0: [21:58] global.h:56:29: fatal error: srcinst/srcinst.h: No such file or directory [21:58] compilation terminated. [21:58] make[2]: *** [sourceinstall_gtk-sourceinstall-gtk.o] Error 1 [21:58] make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/user/src/sourceinstall-gtk-2.5' [21:58] make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 [21:58] make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/user/src/sourceinstall-gtk-2.5' [21:58] make: *** [all] Error 2 [22:08] You have a link to the original tarball of that app you're building there? [22:09] i can get it for you. one moment while I grab it [22:09] sorry I didn't use this link earlier . http://paste.ubuntu.com/869003/ [22:11] ftp://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/sourceinstall/sourceinstall-gtk-2.5rc2.tar.gz [22:11] that's the direct download link [22:13] Hmm. GTK depends, might have to pull in a few more packages onto Kubuntu. [22:13] how do I do that? I've got the build essentials [22:16] ohh.. I didn't read that right the first time..lol [22:26] Lol [22:28] c0ldfyre: you know where to find srcinst? the base package? [22:28] This looks like a UI to a library. [22:29] However, if that was the case, it shouldn't have configured properly. [22:29] Hmm. [22:32] sorry, didn't see your response [22:32] reading* [22:32] what would you suggest I do? [22:35] Find the srcinst dependency, I'm not sure where it is. [22:35] ok [22:40] hey folks [22:40] sup all [22:53] Hey stlsaint [22:53] I'm finally getting a hang and learning my position in F/OSS. [22:53] jalcine: sup [22:54] Did you check out http://open-advice.org? Best thing I read in a while. [22:55] Working on code once more. :) [22:56] wow... it's a nightmare asking for help in some of these channels... These guys are nazis... lol [22:56] c0ldfyre, what channels? [22:56] Lol [22:56] main unbuntu chan [22:56] Don't say ##c++ [22:57] lol [22:57] Hostility in there? [22:57] your sometimes get a rtfm and stuff. but they can be tough. you just gonna pretend like you know whats up [22:57] I've never really popped into that channel. [22:57] ^^ [22:58] truth in f/oss. can't be discouraged. [22:58] well, not in f/oss, but in life as a whole. [22:58] I'm having trouble with libs I guess.. I dun know what's up [22:58] I've had linux for less than 24hrs so it's expected [22:59] windows/mac usr [22:59] good evening [22:59] kristian-aalborg, hello [22:59] I need to get symlinks working with sshfs [22:59] c0ldfyre: thats why i only remain in the BT team channels for support [22:59] sshfs user@host:/path/to/mount/ ~/mountpoint -oauto_cache,reconnect,volname=mountname,defer_permissions,transform_symlinks,follow_symlinks [22:59] is this proper? [23:00] it's from a blog post I found on the subject... the spacing seems wrong [23:00] ive never used symlinks over ssh [23:00] or sshfs [23:00] I'd actually forgotten that they were "sym" [23:02] ok. Jalcine. what did you mean earlier about the srcinst? [23:02] c0ldfyre: I've asked you 3 times now in #ubuntu [23:02] c0ldfyre: WHY are you trying to compile GTK [23:03] c0ldfyre: gtk is massivly important to your system, so why are you trying to compile this, [23:03] im not in #unbuntu. And I've responded to you twice now. [23:03] fail.. wrong window [23:03] you've just left #ubuntu without responding [23:03] so why don't you actually answer in the main window here - "why" you are trying to compile gtk [23:04] I responded to you... twice... scroll back.. [23:04] Is that so, c0ldfyre? [23:04] you have NOT [23:04] c0ldfyre: why are you trying to compile gtk # [23:05] and.. yuo would be incorrect.. if you would like I can C&P my response to you. [23:05] and... [23:05] * jalcine smells smoke. [23:05] I'm trying to compile a source installer [23:05] * jalcine looks to stlsaint for a fire extinguisher. [23:05] c0ldfyre: "why are you trying to copile gtk" [23:06] I want to compile a simple program.. I've got errors. I asked for advice on what to do. I'm not really doing anything.. [23:06] you ARE [23:06] you are trying to compile software, that is what you ARE doing [23:06] * jalcine looks at the package's code. [23:06] I'm asking you "why" [23:06] what do you want to achieve ? [23:06] ok.. lets start over [23:07] How can i unmount a drive when it says its busy? i have no things running [23:07] philipballew: you probaly do have something using it [23:07] philipballew: a shell or something will have it open [23:07] philipballew: give it a min let whatever process running finish [23:08] He's not compiling gtk [23:08] probably that [23:08] I have a src folder.. The src is for a program that auto-compiles as far as I understand. the src is not compiling correctly. so that is where I am and that is what I have DONE [23:08] geirha that was the question in #ubuntu [23:08] i have ./configured, but with errors. [23:08] c0ldfyre: stop [23:08] c0ldfyre: "what" are you trying to compile [23:08] philipballew: you could kill the process running on the drive using lsof [23:08] geirha: it's just a package compiler, it seems from a quick scan.. [23:09] ftp://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/sourceinstall/sourceinstall-gtk-2.5rc2.tar.gz [23:09] good point jalcine [23:09] c0ldfyre: what do you want to actually do ? [23:09] c0ldfyre: "why" are you trying to compile that [23:09] auto-compiler [23:09] ikonia: geriha's right, it's not GTK he's building, but a source compiler. [23:09] jalcine: in #ubuntu - it was gtk hence why I'm trying to clarify [23:10] Seems to be a sort-of package manager for GNU software [23:10] ikonia: does it matter? [23:10] yes [23:10] as he's had ubuntu 4 hours, he may not actually know what he wants to do the job he wants [23:10] c0ldfyre: your ./configure gives errors? or the `make` command? [23:10] compiling a software product with no experience for no reason is not good advice [23:10] c0ldfyre: "why" do you want this software, - what is your end goal ? [23:10] mount -rw is mounting for read write right? [23:11] It does indeed not appear useful in an Ubuntu system [23:11] philipballew: what you trying to do? [23:11] hence why I'm asking questions [23:11] rather than just giving blind info to him [23:11] stlsaint, mount a flash drive to my server to move keys around [23:11] Point made, accepted and understood. [23:11] have you tried a manual mount? [23:11] It was suppose to keep me from having to hit terminal everytime I want to compile a src folder. [23:12] philipballew: mount /dev/sdc /mnt [23:12] ? [23:12] c0ldfyre: why do you need this built? [23:12] like i said, it's from what I understand it to be [23:12] c0ldfyre: there should be no need for you to compile software [23:12] coalwater: what software do you actually want to build ? [23:12] oops [23:12] yeah i ran sudo mount -rw /dev/sdc/ /media [23:12] and it mounts (bad front port) but it sayd /media is read only [23:12] c0ldfyre: what software do you actually want to build ? [23:12] c0ldfyre: (what software do you want to build that you need/want to use this system for) [23:12] stlsaint, [23:13] thanks guys.. but you're stressing me the fuck out.. thanks [23:13] later..lol [23:13] c0ldfyre: that language is unacceptable [23:13] he left #ubuntu as he wouldn't answer questions, there is more going on than he is telling the channel [23:13] that guy confuses me [23:14] c0ldfyre, any package or piece of software you'd need would be in Ubuntu's repositories. [23:14] he left [23:14] There's over 20,000 packages there (last time I checked Muon). [23:14] mm. [23:14] philipballew: same here. [23:15] * jalcine goes back to hacking Bugzilla. [23:15] I would like to remind everyone here that by being in this channel you are offering advice to help new users. Not judge their intentions! [23:15] no-one was judging him [23:15] ikonia: there is no reason for you to tell a user that" there should be no need for you to compile software" [23:16] stlsaint: so let me get this straight [23:16] stlsaint: a user who has used linux for 4 hours is trying to compile software for no reason and with no-understanding of what he's doing or why (that he is telling the channel) and you think the best advice is to just blindly give him commands [23:16] rather than find out what he actually wants to do and advise him properly [23:17] ikonia: no, but your method was not one of dealing with a new user. You have to understand...that new user has no idea that software compiling is as advanced as it truly is. To them it might be something simple [23:17] I know [23:17] that's why I was ASKING him what he wanted to do [23:17] what his end goal was [23:18] ikonia: again, you stated that there is no reason for them to compile software. [23:18] that is exactly how to treat new users, ask them what they want to do [23:18] stlsaint: there isn't [23:18] You are wrong [23:18] stlsaint: until he can explain what he wants to do and show that he "needs" or "genuinly wants" to [23:18] now is there a reson for that user to compile gtk? probably not. But to say that there is no reason to compile software is a extremely fasle statement [23:18] get a grip [23:19] a 4 hour user of linux - there is NO need to compile software [23:19] if the user wants to compile sometimes its because they dont know ubuntu has repos [23:19] if there is he should be in a position to explain why he wants to [23:19] So why wont you explain to them what compilation entails instead of telling them they dont need to do it! [23:19] philipballew: exactly, hence trying to find out what he really wanted to / end result was [23:19] stlsaint: because he wouldn't tell us what he actually wanted to do [23:19] if he truly needs to mount, might be an odd situation [23:19] complie... [23:19] and he clearly didn't understand what he was doing [23:20] my mind is on mounting, sorry [23:20] ikonia: again this is a new user you are dealing with. If you want to deal with advanced users who think they know everything than feel free to spend your time in #arch channels [23:20] so in that situation there is no need for a user to compile [23:20] stlsaint: if you want to miss-guide users spend your time in another channel [23:20] but with a new user our job is to aid, support and educate. Obviously you were not doing that hence they left. [23:20] stlsaint: clearly not [23:20] stlsaint: the guy has more info than is letting on [23:21] that's why he quit #ubuntu channel and came here [23:21] I put effrot in to try to find out what he actually really wanted to do [23:21] to try to steer him properly [23:21] assumption [23:21] that "is" helping a new user properly [23:21] GUYS!!! MOVE THIS TO #ubuntu-beginners-team [23:21] ikonia: im not here to swing swords but ive been in ths channel much longer than you and im telling you....you were wrong in dealing with that user [23:21] NOW! [23:21] :) [23:21] lol [23:22] that is all... [23:22] philipballew: you can talk normally without the random caplock, people don't need it [23:22] i know i can. [23:22] o.o [23:23] carry on... [23:23] * stlsaint goes to compile some software....just cause. [23:23] ah the fun and games of the internet [23:24] lol, 'tis the ebb and flow of it, is it not? [23:32] LinuxNewb: welcome back [23:35] * jalcine should turn on joins/parts.