[15:00] <s-fox> Hello
[15:11] <genupulas> s-fox:  Hey
[15:11] <genupulas> s-fox:  how are you man ?
[15:13] <s-fox> Hello genupulas, how are you?
[15:18] <genupulas> s-fox  , i am good boss
[15:18] <genupulas> s-fox:  where are you now ? Home or ?
[15:19] <s-fox> I am at home
[15:19] <s-fox> why?
[15:20] <genupulas> s-fox:  nothing just like that
[15:20] <genupulas> s-fox:   whats the GMT
[15:21] <s-fox> I will check
[15:21] <genupulas> s-fox:  hmm i am trying to motivate my studnets to Ubuntu from 2 years up to now i got one person
[15:21] <genupulas> those guys are still afraid about a word callled Linux
[15:22] <s-fox> 15:21 Sunday (GMT) - Time in United Kingdom
[15:23] <genupulas> oh ok we are opposite then mine 21:00
[15:23] <genupulas> 6 hours
[15:24] <genupulas> s-fox:  main problem we are facing in this area is Intenet
[15:24] <genupulas> a better internet
[15:26] <genupulas> s-fox:  you fell to busy i think , seeya later brother
[15:40]  * SuperEngineer hands s-fox a big bowl of deserved respect
[15:41] <s-fox> Haha, thank you :)
[17:38] <iku-iku> hello, i've been trying to change the login screen, with both gksu gedit /etc/lightdm/unity-greeter.conf and simple light dm manager but it just changed to black... thanks foir your help
[17:42] <iku-iku> AAnderson72, could you maybe help me?
[17:42] <iku-iku> plz...
[20:56] <philipballew> !vpn
[20:56] <ubot2`> For more information on vpn please refer to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/VPN
[21:12] <c0ldfyre> Can someone give me some advice? First time Unbuntu user with mild scripting knowledge. Having trouble compiling src because of constant lib errors or other issues
[21:13] <c0ldfyre> Can someone give me some advice? First time Unbuntu user with mild scripting knowledge. Having trouble compiling src because of constant lib errors or other issues
[21:18] <philipballew> c0ldfyre, whats up!
[21:18] <philipballew> I can attempt to help or say where you can find help!
[21:19] <philipballew> first off, how do you like Ubuntu?
[21:19] <c0ldfyre> I love it so far
[21:19] <c0ldfyre> Just been having trouble getting src files to play nice
[21:20] <c0ldfyre> I can post my prints if need be. These guys are coming up angry on everything I do..lol
[21:22]  * nlsthzn-work hugs his deb files...
[21:22] <c0ldfyre> I tried hugging my src files, but alas.... Nothing.....
[21:24] <c0ldfyre> Can anyone tell me why I get this error when I try to compile "Sourceinstaller"?
[21:24] <c0ldfyre> can any tell me why I'm getting this error when installing "sourceinstaller"
 checking pkg-config is at least version 0.9.0... yes
 checking for GTK... no
 configure: error: could not detect required GTK >= 2.4
[21:25] <nlsthzn-work> src files don't respond well to hugging... they need to be taught some binary manners first...
[21:25] <c0ldfyre> sorry for the spam...
[21:25] <nlsthzn-work> c0ldfyre: sudo aptitude install build-essential
[21:26] <geirha> c0ldfyre: sudo apt-get install libgtk2.0-dev
[21:26] <geirha> Each time you get an error like that, you're missing a -dev package
[21:27] <c0ldfyre> the sudo apt install. I can just run these from term as well?
[21:28] <nlsthzn-work> correct
[21:28] <c0ldfyre> right on. lemme try
[21:28] <geirha> yes, or use the software center or synaptic if you prefer that
[21:28] <c0ldfyre> thanks guys
[21:28] <c0ldfyre> ok
[21:29] <c0ldfyre> cool. term is dwnlding them now
[21:29] <c0ldfyre> I've been tearing my hair out since like 12am
[21:29] <c0ldfyre> lol
[21:30] <nlsthzn-work> c0ldfyre: do you really need to be compiling from source?
[21:58] <c0ldfyre> What is happening here?
[21:58] <c0ldfyre> In file included from sourceinstall-gtk.c:24:0:
[21:58] <c0ldfyre> global.h:56:29: fatal error: srcinst/srcinst.h: No such file or directory
[21:58] <c0ldfyre> compilation terminated.
[21:58] <c0ldfyre> make[2]: *** [sourceinstall_gtk-sourceinstall-gtk.o] Error 1
[21:58] <c0ldfyre> make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/user/src/sourceinstall-gtk-2.5'
[21:58] <c0ldfyre> make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
[21:58] <c0ldfyre> make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/user/src/sourceinstall-gtk-2.5'
[21:58] <c0ldfyre> make: *** [all] Error 2
[22:08] <jalcine> You have a link to the original tarball of that app you're building there?
[22:09] <c0ldfyre> i can get it for you. one moment while I grab it
[22:09] <c0ldfyre> sorry I didn't use this link earlier . http://paste.ubuntu.com/869003/
[22:11] <c0ldfyre> ftp://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/sourceinstall/sourceinstall-gtk-2.5rc2.tar.gz
[22:11] <c0ldfyre> that's the direct download link
[22:13] <jalcine> Hmm. GTK depends, might have to pull in a few more packages onto Kubuntu.
[22:13] <c0ldfyre> how do I do that? I've got the build essentials
[22:16] <c0ldfyre> ohh.. I didn't read that right the first time..lol
[22:26] <jalcine> Lol
[22:28] <jalcine> c0ldfyre: you know where to find srcinst? the base package?
[22:28] <jalcine> This looks like a UI to a library.
[22:29] <jalcine> However, if that was the case, it shouldn't have configured properly.
[22:29] <jalcine> Hmm.
[22:32] <c0ldfyre> sorry, didn't see your response
[22:32] <c0ldfyre> reading*
[22:32] <c0ldfyre> what would you suggest I do?
[22:35] <jalcine> Find the srcinst dependency, I'm not sure where it is.
[22:35] <c0ldfyre> ok
[22:40] <stlsaint> hey folks
[22:40] <stlsaint> sup all
[22:53] <jalcine> Hey stlsaint
[22:53] <jalcine> I'm finally getting a hang and learning my position in F/OSS.
[22:53] <stlsaint> jalcine: sup
[22:54] <jalcine> Did you check out http://open-advice.org? Best thing I read in a while.
[22:55] <jalcine> Working on code once more. :)
[22:56] <c0ldfyre> wow... it's a nightmare asking for help in some of these channels... These guys are nazis... lol
[22:56] <philipballew> c0ldfyre, what channels?
[22:56] <jalcine> Lol
[22:56] <c0ldfyre> main unbuntu chan
[22:56] <jalcine> Don't say ##c++
[22:57] <c0ldfyre> lol
[22:57] <jalcine> Hostility in there?
[22:57] <philipballew> your sometimes get a rtfm and stuff. but they can be tough. you just gonna pretend like you know whats up
[22:57] <jalcine> I've never really popped into that channel.
[22:57] <jalcine> ^^
[22:58] <jalcine> truth in f/oss. can't be discouraged.
[22:58] <jalcine> well, not in f/oss, but in life as a whole.
[22:58] <c0ldfyre> I'm having trouble with libs I guess.. I dun know what's up
[22:58] <c0ldfyre> I've had linux for less than 24hrs so it's expected
[22:59] <c0ldfyre> windows/mac usr
[22:59] <kristian-aalborg> good evening
[22:59] <philipballew> kristian-aalborg, hello
[22:59] <kristian-aalborg> I need to get symlinks working with sshfs
[22:59] <stlsaint> c0ldfyre: thats why i only remain in the BT team channels for support
[22:59] <kristian-aalborg> sshfs user@host:/path/to/mount/ ~/mountpoint -oauto_cache,reconnect,volname=mountname,defer_permissions,transform_symlinks,follow_symlinks
[22:59] <kristian-aalborg> is this proper?
[23:00] <kristian-aalborg> it's from a blog post I found on the subject... the spacing seems wrong
[23:00] <stlsaint> ive never used symlinks over ssh
[23:00] <stlsaint> or sshfs
[23:00] <kristian-aalborg> I'd actually forgotten that they were "sym"
[23:02] <c0ldfyre> ok. Jalcine. what did you mean earlier about the srcinst?
[23:02] <ikonia> c0ldfyre: I've asked you 3 times now in #ubuntu
[23:02] <ikonia> c0ldfyre: WHY are you trying to compile GTK
[23:03] <ikonia> c0ldfyre: gtk is massivly important to your system, so why are you trying to compile this,
[23:03] <c0ldfyre> im not in #unbuntu. And I've responded to you twice now.
[23:03] <c0ldfyre> fail.. wrong window
[23:03] <ikonia> you've just left #ubuntu without responding
[23:03] <ikonia> so why don't you actually answer in the main window here - "why" you are trying to compile gtk
[23:04] <c0ldfyre> I responded to you... twice... scroll back..
[23:04] <jalcine> Is that so, c0ldfyre?
[23:04] <ikonia> you have NOT
[23:04] <ikonia> c0ldfyre: why are you trying to compile gtk #
[23:05] <c0ldfyre> and.. yuo would be incorrect.. if you would like I can C&P my response to you.
[23:05] <c0ldfyre> and...
[23:05]  * jalcine smells smoke.
[23:05] <c0ldfyre> I'm trying to compile a source installer
[23:05]  * jalcine looks to stlsaint for a fire extinguisher.
[23:05] <ikonia> c0ldfyre: "why are you trying to copile gtk"
[23:06] <c0ldfyre> I want to compile a simple program.. I've got errors. I asked for advice on what to do. I'm not really doing anything..
[23:06] <ikonia> you ARE
[23:06] <ikonia> you are trying to compile software, that is what you ARE doing
[23:06]  * jalcine looks at the package's code.
[23:06] <ikonia> I'm asking you "why"
[23:06] <ikonia> what do you want to achieve ?
[23:06] <c0ldfyre> ok.. lets start over
[23:07] <philipballew> How can i unmount a drive when it says its busy? i have no things running
[23:07] <ikonia> philipballew: you probaly do have something using it
[23:07] <ikonia> philipballew: a shell or something will have it open
[23:07] <stlsaint> philipballew: give it a min let whatever process running finish
[23:08] <geirha> He's not compiling gtk
[23:08] <philipballew> probably that
[23:08] <c0ldfyre> I have a src folder.. The src is for a program that auto-compiles as far as I understand. the src is not compiling correctly. so that is where I am and that is what I have DONE
[23:08] <ikonia> geirha that was the question in #ubuntu
[23:08] <c0ldfyre> i have ./configured, but with errors.
[23:08] <ikonia> c0ldfyre: stop
[23:08] <ikonia> c0ldfyre: "what" are you trying to compile
[23:08] <jalcine> philipballew: you could kill the process running on the drive using lsof <drive>
[23:08] <jalcine> geirha: it's just a package compiler, it seems from a quick scan..
[23:09] <c0ldfyre> ftp://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/sourceinstall/sourceinstall-gtk-2.5rc2.tar.gz
[23:09] <philipballew> good point jalcine
[23:09] <ikonia> c0ldfyre: what do you want to actually do ?
[23:09] <ikonia> c0ldfyre: "why" are you trying to compile that
[23:09] <c0ldfyre> auto-compiler
[23:09] <jalcine> ikonia: geriha's right, it's not GTK he's building, but a source compiler.
[23:09] <ikonia> jalcine: in #ubuntu - it was gtk hence why I'm trying to clarify
[23:10] <geirha> Seems to be a sort-of package manager for GNU software
[23:10] <jalcine> ikonia: does it matter?
[23:10] <ikonia> yes
[23:10] <ikonia> as he's had ubuntu 4 hours, he may not actually know what he wants to do the job he wants
[23:10] <jalcine> c0ldfyre: your ./configure gives errors? or the `make` command?
[23:10] <ikonia> compiling a software product with no experience for no reason is not good advice
[23:10] <ikonia> c0ldfyre: "why" do you want this software, - what is your end goal ?
[23:10] <philipballew> mount -rw is mounting for read write right?
[23:11] <geirha> It does indeed not appear useful in an Ubuntu system
[23:11] <stlsaint> philipballew: what you trying to do?
[23:11] <ikonia> hence why I'm asking questions
[23:11] <ikonia> rather than just giving blind info to him
[23:11] <philipballew> stlsaint, mount a flash drive to my server to move keys around
[23:11] <jalcine> Point made, accepted and understood.
[23:11] <stlsaint> have you tried a manual mount?
[23:11] <c0ldfyre> It was suppose to keep me from having to hit terminal everytime I want to compile a src folder.
[23:12] <stlsaint> philipballew: mount /dev/sdc /mnt
[23:12] <stlsaint> ?
[23:12] <jalcine> c0ldfyre: why do you need this built?
[23:12] <c0ldfyre> like i said, it's from what I understand it to be
[23:12] <ikonia> c0ldfyre: there should be no need for you to compile software
[23:12] <ikonia> coalwater: what software do you actually want to build ?
[23:12] <ikonia> oops
[23:12] <philipballew> yeah i ran sudo mount -rw /dev/sdc/ /media
[23:12] <philipballew>  and it mounts (bad front port) but it sayd /media is read only
[23:12] <ikonia> c0ldfyre: what software do you actually want to build ?
[23:12] <ikonia> c0ldfyre: (what software do you want to build that you need/want to use this system for)
[23:12] <philipballew> stlsaint,
[23:13] <c0ldfyre> thanks guys.. but you're stressing me the fuck out.. thanks
[23:13] <c0ldfyre> later..lol
[23:13] <ikonia> c0ldfyre: that language is unacceptable
[23:13] <ikonia> he left #ubuntu as he wouldn't answer questions, there is more going on than he is telling the channel
[23:13] <philipballew> that guy confuses me
[23:14] <jalcine> c0ldfyre, any package or piece of software you'd need would be in Ubuntu's repositories.
[23:14] <geirha> he left
[23:14] <jalcine> There's over 20,000 packages there (last time I checked Muon).
[23:14] <jalcine> mm.
[23:14] <jalcine> philipballew: same here.
[23:15]  * jalcine goes back to hacking Bugzilla.
[23:15] <stlsaint> I would like to remind everyone here that by being in this channel you are offering advice to help new users. Not judge their intentions!
[23:15] <ikonia> no-one was judging him
[23:15] <stlsaint> ikonia: there is no reason for you to tell a user that" there should be no need for you to compile software"
[23:16] <ikonia> stlsaint: so let me get this straight
[23:16] <ikonia> stlsaint: a user who has used linux for 4 hours is trying to compile software for no reason and with no-understanding of what he's doing or why (that he is telling the channel) and you think the best advice is to just blindly give him commands
[23:16] <ikonia> rather than find out what he actually wants to do and advise him properly
[23:17] <stlsaint> ikonia: no, but your method was not one of dealing with a new user. You have to understand...that new user has no idea that software compiling is as advanced as it truly is. To them it might be something simple
[23:17] <ikonia> I know
[23:17] <ikonia> that's why I was ASKING him what he wanted to do
[23:17] <ikonia> what his end goal was
[23:18] <stlsaint> ikonia: again, you stated that there is no reason for them to compile software.
[23:18] <ikonia> that is exactly how to treat new users, ask them what they want to do
[23:18] <ikonia> stlsaint: there isn't
[23:18] <stlsaint> You are wrong
[23:18] <ikonia> stlsaint: until he can explain what he wants to do and show that he "needs" or "genuinly wants" to
[23:18] <stlsaint> now is there a reson for that user to compile gtk? probably not. But to say that there is no reason to compile software is a extremely fasle statement
[23:18] <ikonia> get a grip
[23:19] <ikonia> a 4 hour user of linux - there is NO need to compile software
[23:19] <philipballew> if the user wants to compile sometimes its because they dont know ubuntu has repos
[23:19] <ikonia> if there is he should be in a position to explain why he wants to
[23:19] <stlsaint> So why wont you explain to them what compilation entails instead of telling them they dont need to do it!
[23:19] <ikonia> philipballew: exactly, hence trying to find out what he really wanted to / end result was
[23:19] <ikonia> stlsaint: because he wouldn't tell us what he actually wanted to do
[23:19] <philipballew> if he truly needs to mount, might be an odd situation
[23:19] <philipballew> complie...
[23:19] <ikonia> and he clearly didn't understand what he was doing
[23:20] <philipballew> my mind is on mounting, sorry
[23:20] <stlsaint> ikonia: again this is a new user you are dealing with. If you want to deal with advanced users who think they know everything than feel free to spend your time in #arch channels
[23:20] <ikonia> so in that situation there is no need for a user to compile
[23:20] <ikonia> stlsaint: if you want to miss-guide users spend your time in  another channel
[23:20] <stlsaint> but with a new user our job is to aid, support and educate. Obviously you were not doing that hence they left.
[23:20] <ikonia> stlsaint: clearly not
[23:20] <ikonia> stlsaint: the guy has more info than is letting on
[23:21] <ikonia> that's why he quit #ubuntu channel and came here
[23:21] <ikonia> I put effrot in to try to find out what he actually really wanted to do
[23:21] <ikonia> to try to steer him properly
[23:21] <nlsthzn> assumption
[23:21] <ikonia> that "is" helping a new user properly
[23:21] <philipballew> GUYS!!! MOVE THIS TO #ubuntu-beginners-team
[23:21] <stlsaint> ikonia: im not here to swing swords but ive been in ths channel much longer than you and im telling you....you were wrong in dealing with that user
[23:21] <philipballew> NOW!
[23:21] <philipballew> :)
[23:21] <nlsthzn> lol
[23:22] <philipballew> that is all...
[23:22] <ikonia> philipballew: you can talk normally without the random caplock, people don't need it
[23:22] <philipballew> i know i can.
[23:22] <jalcine> o.o
[23:23] <stlsaint> carry on...
[23:23]  * stlsaint goes to compile some software....just cause.
[23:23] <nlsthzn> ah the fun and games of the internet
[23:24] <jalcine> lol, 'tis the ebb and flow of it, is it not?
[23:32] <stlsaint> LinuxNewb: welcome back
[23:35]  * jalcine should turn on joins/parts.