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| MonsterKiller | Hey, using the Encyclopedia, have a factoid i want to set but when i set it, it says it already means something. if i do "no X is Y" it says the factoid isnt known to it yet | 15:32 |
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| MonsterKiller | if i try to make it forget it, it says it doesnt exist yet | 15:33 |
| MonsterKiller | :/ | 15:33 |
| _d4vid | bazhang, there? | 16:39 |
| _d4vid | bazhang, iam wait about 4 days to -q me .. nothing happens | 16:40 |
| _d4vid | bazhang, i can not send messages to channel | 16:40 |
| _d4vid | bazhang, i mean #ubuntu-ru | 16:40 |
| jpds | MonsterKiller: 'unforget' it and try changing it again. | 17:58 |
| MonsterKiller | ah. ty | 17:59 |
| MonsterKiller | :) | 17:59 |
| Fuchs | pangolin: looking good | 21:12 |
| pangolin | thank you for your help | 21:13 |
| Fuchs | pangolin: I'd still recommend using SSL though | 21:13 |
| pangolin | how do i go about doing that? | 21:14 |
| Fuchs | Xchat it was? | 21:15 |
| pangolin | yup | 21:15 |
| Fuchs | I think it has a setting in the server configuration dialog. Are you directly connecting to freenode, or do you have a bouncer or such? | 21:16 |
| pangolin | direct | 21:16 |
| Fuchs | then there should be a checkbox in the server dialogue | 21:16 |
| pangolin | I need to check the Accept invalid cert box also right? | 21:18 |
| Fuchs | I sure hope our certs are valid :) | 21:18 |
| Fuchs | but yes, depending on what system certs you have, why not. | 21:19 |
| EvilResistance | the certs are valid, but yoiu need the root certs | 21:19 |
| EvilResistance | on ubuntu, the root certs for freenode arent included for the cert authority | 21:19 |
| EvilResistance | but the certs are indeed valid | 21:19 |
| EvilResistance | in XChat, you need to put the SSL port in place of 6667. | 21:20 |
| EvilResistance | then say "Connect to server via SSL" | 21:20 |
| EvilResistance | and of course, tell it to ignore cert errors and what not | 21:20 |
| pangolin | heh | 21:20 |
| EvilResistance | for me, i just connect to my ZNC, doesnt matter if i use SSL or not, since the ZNC is connected to freenode with SSL :p | 21:21 |
| EvilResistance | but that's me :P | 21:21 |
| Fuchs | same for me, but SSL on both lines | 21:21 |
| EvilResistance | indeed | 21:22 |
| EvilResistance | same for me, too, but my phone doesnt like SSL for some reason | 21:22 |
| EvilResistance | so... | 21:22 |
| EvilResistance | for that only, i use non=SSL | 21:22 |
| EvilResistance | but its rare i dont have my laptop, so :p | 21:22 |
| Fuchs | pangolin: perfect now :) | 21:24 |
| pangolin | weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee | 21:25 |
| pangolin | thanks again for the help Fuchs and you too EvilResistance | 21:25 |
| EvilResistance | pangolin, yep | 21:25 |
| JanC | ignoring SSL cert errors is bad ;) | 21:25 |
| EvilResistance | JanC, the alternative is updating the ca-certificates package with additional root certificates | 21:26 |
| pangolin | I chose not to accept invalid certs | 21:26 |
| EvilResistance | pangolin, you might run inot the random "I will randomly return an invalid cert" error, that is common with FreeNode | 21:26 |
| EvilResistance | granted, it happens mor eoften with Windows, but it does occasionally happen on Ubuntu / Linux | 21:26 |
| JanC | EvilResistance: you can also install a cert manually (after checking it is legit, of course) | 21:26 |
| EvilResistance | JanC, indeed, but the ca-certificates package is missing key CA certs | 21:27 |
| EvilResistance | i had to manually install the CA root certs for a legit SSL certification company | 21:27 |
| JanC | to be honest, I think that package includes lots of non-legit CA keys :P | 21:27 |
| EvilResistance | :P | 21:28 |
| JanC | most CA companies are a fraud | 21:28 |
| EvilResistance | VeriSign is a fraud? | 21:28 |
| Fuchs | pangolin: you're welcome | 21:28 |
| JanC | yes | 21:28 |
| EvilResistance | startcom ssl is a fraud? | 21:28 |
| Fuchs | thanks for flying freenode, here is a bag of peanuts *hands* | 21:28 |
| pangolin | salted? | 21:28 |
| JanC | I got a VeriSign SSL cert for a not yet existing company once, so I don't trust them :P | 21:28 |
| EvilResistance | JanC, then take your prejudice out of here, VeriSign is a legit company. | 21:29 |
| Fuchs | pangolin: no, due to legal actions from former passengers. But here is a small bag of salt, for your convenience *hands* | 21:29 |
| * EvilResistance takes the unsalted peanuts | 21:29 | |
| JanC | "please fax the request on a letter with your company logo" | 21:29 |
| EvilResistance | pangolin, i got a box of bags of salted, roasted peanuts. here you go, have them all | 21:29 |
| pangolin | much appreciated | 21:30 |
| JanC | EvilResistance: Verisign has managed to sell Microsoft certs to a third party at least once... :P | 21:30 |
| JanC | seriously, they are NOT legit | 21:30 |
| EvilResistance | JanC, idc? | 21:30 |
| EvilResistance | i dont use VeriSign anyways | 21:31 |
| JanC | many CA are sub-CA of VeriSign | 21:31 |
| * Fuchs looks at the discussion and sneaks away, whistling innocently | 21:32 | |
| JanC | personally I prefer a private CA and an out-of-band way to check fingerprints on it | 21:32 |
| JanC | or even a self-signed cert | 21:32 |
| * EvilResistance pulls Fuchs back here using a graviton beam | 21:32 | |
| EvilResistance | JanC, StartSSL doesnt use VeriSign | 21:32 |
| EvilResistance | they're their own :p; | 21:32 |
| * Fuchs bites and walks away again | 21:32 | |
| JanC | EvilResistance: but how well do they check SSL cert applications? | 21:33 |
| EvilResistance | JanC, there's three levels of certs: | 21:33 |
| EvilResistance | domain only without individual verification | 21:33 |
| EvilResistance | individual/owner verification (requires actual personal info) | 21:33 |
| EvilResistance | and then full verification whcih includes business verification with tax records informations | 21:34 |
| JanC | that doesn't give me a lot of confidence... ;) | 21:34 |
| EvilResistance | and you have to pay for the verification fo rhte first and second | 21:34 |
| JanC | only the last one is maybe legit | 21:34 |
| EvilResistance | the first one is free, but doesnt actually do anything | 21:34 |
| EvilResistance | (the actual personal info needed includes IRS tax records if you're in the USA, as well as background checks) | 21:34 |
| JanC | EvilResistance: but the first one will be accepted as legit by browsers etc. | 21:34 |
| EvilResistance | you know, why yhe hell am I arguing this... | 21:35 |
| EvilResistance | you want to not trust SSL, finbe | 21:35 |
| EvilResistance | dont drag people into this argument though | 21:35 |
| JanC | I trust the basics of SSL, I do not trust most CA | 21:35 |
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