[18:46] <snail> mōrena
[19:33] <ajmitch> morning
[19:46] <ibeardslee> morning
[19:52] <ajmitch> seems like even windows in a VM isn't immune to suddenly breaking without warning, came to my desk to see it complaining & wanting to do a system restore :)
[19:53] <chilts> morning
[19:57] <chilts> yikes, I'm getting married in less than two weeks! :)
[19:59] <snail> chilts: being married is great, one no longer has to stress about the wedding
[19:59] <chilts> heh, yeah, I think that happens a lot
[19:59] <chilts> I'm looking forward to having more time to do other things, but looking forward to the day itself (can't do anything more then)
[20:00] <thumper> morning
[20:27] <mwhudson> morning
[21:14] <snail> http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10789863
[21:17] <mwhudson> i want a cotton candy for $48
[22:01] <ojwb> morning
[22:16] <lifeless> mwhudson: so back country eh?
[22:45] <mwhudson> lifeless: just trying to find a route i once drove to show to a friend
[22:47] <lifeless> mwhudson: tried osm ?
[22:47] <mwhudson> lifeless: no, maybe i should have though
[22:47] <mwhudson> (i beat google maps into submission in the end)
[22:49] <mwhudson> mmm, osm is better on locations but worse on roads
[22:55] <ojwb> patches welcome!
[23:30] <chilts> ojwb: do you do Open Street Map stuff?
[23:30] <chilts> I keep meaning to do it, but Java puts me off and as far as I remember the JavaScript editor is pretty bad
[23:30] <chilts> I'd love to make a good one in JS for them, but I can't afford the time
[23:30] <ojwb> i haven't for quite a while
[23:31] <ojwb> the javascript one had improved quite a lot last time I used it
[23:31] <chilts> oh right, so you just log in and go
[23:31] <chilts> that would be useful
[23:31] <ojwb> there's a C or C++ one too, which wasn't bad but a bit rough in places
[23:31] <ojwb> but that's quite likely to have evolved too
[23:32] <chilts> wonder if they have an API
[23:32] <ojwb> yeah, there is
[23:32] <chilts> hmm ... http://www.openstreetmap.org/ or http://www.openstreetmap.org.nz/
[23:32] <chilts> wonder if the data is the same, or who has the 'master' copy
[23:33] <ojwb> the latter is some local OSM user(s), but I don't think they've done much with it
[23:33] <ojwb> it should be the same data
[23:34] <chilts> "You need a Flash player to use Potlatch, the OpenStreetMap Flash editor. You can download Flash Player from Adobe.com. Several other options are also available for editing OpenStreetMap."
[23:34] <chilts> :(
[23:34] <chilts> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Editing#The_top_two <- Flash and Java
[23:34] <ojwb> oh, it was flash not javascript
[23:35] <chilts> yeah :(
[23:35] <chilts> nope, no mention of JavaScript on that page at all
[23:36] <ojwb> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Merkaartor is the one I used mostly
[23:36] <chilts> ojwb: what the smallest, easiest, most miniscule thing you can do on OSM to make an edit (ie. a good test for a JS editor)?
[23:36] <ojwb> add a point feature, I guess
[23:36] <chilts> like a postbox or something?
[23:37] <ojwb> yeah
[23:37] <chilts> I see my street isn't correct since it's been extended recently
[23:37] <ojwb> if you mean for testing, I think there's a sandbox
[23:37] <chilts> righto, cool
[23:37] <chilts> well, I guess I'll have a play in April sometime :D
[23:37] <chilts> oh, and merkaartor looks like it's in Lucid and wants to install 74MB, which I'll try later on
[23:39] <chilts> lots of QT4 stuff
[23:40] <ojwb> i don't see anything about a sandbox, perhaps I'm confused
[23:41] <ojwb> but it's usually not hard to find a missing postbox or tree or ...
[23:42] <G> chilts: ojwb: (jumping in the convo blind not having read backlog) but there is a NZ Mailing list that is discussing getting LINZ data properly imported
[23:43]  * ojwb knows
[23:43] <G> chilts: http://groups.google.com/group/nzopengis?hl=en.
[23:49] <chilts> yeah, but I'm more interested in being able to edit the map easily ... which I don't think is possible yet (without using Flash)
[23:49] <chilts> or Java
[23:49] <chilts> ie. rock on up to a website and start editing - nothing to install