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Nicolas_Leonida2hi01:47
Nicolas_Leonida2I've installed samba01:47
Nicolas_Leonida2this is my smb.conf : http://pastebin.com/ETH5yxLU01:48
Nicolas_Leonida2the windows computer can not discover the ubuntu server, \\server doesn't work01:48
Nicolas_Leonida2and ubuntu server can't ping the windows computer by name either01:48
Nicolas_Leonida2what could be wrong?01:49
Skaagwhat's a good web panel for the latest ubuntu server?01:54
taiprescpanel the best known, most use centos with that though02:01
taipresnot sure if it's locked to that distro or not02:01
taipresdirectadmin good02:01
taipresplesk just got hacked so i'd avoid them02:01
taipreswebmin is free02:02
shaunowebmin has a pretty terrible record on debian-based distros too.  zentyal is the one I hear being thrown around most often02:07
shauno(webmin doesn't always do things "the debian way", which causes issues when the distro does.  don't fight your distro.)02:08
Nicolas_Leonida2Hey can someone help me with this? http://superuser.com/questions/396657/samba-share-can-not-be-discovered-from-windows-7-in-ubuntu02:11
JanCSkaag: web panel to do what?02:19
Skaagbasically add apache sites, create/manage mysql databases, etc.02:19
SkaagI'm trying out ehcp now02:19
SkaagI use DirectAdmin on some systems, It's fine, but I prefer something that relies on the ubuntu packages of php and mysql02:20
SkaagI never heard about Zentyal02:20
JanCthere is also SysCP, which was written for Debian-like systems02:21
Skaagit is no longer supported02:21
JanCand it's in the Ubuntu repositories02:21
Skaagthe owner said he posted it on github so others can perhaps fork it02:21
JanCthere is a fork of SysCP somewhere02:22
Skaagyes, Froxlor02:23
JanChm, I used SysCP several years ago, worked well back then02:24
JanCseems like Froxlor is still active?02:25
Skaagyes it is02:25
Skaagit even looks pretty good02:25
Skaagyou can see a demo here: http://demo.froxlor.org/02:25
JanCwell, sure looks a lot fancier than SysCP, but most important is whether it is working as well as SysCP02:27
Skaaggood question - I'm about to investigate02:31
JanCand somebody should package it instead of SysCP probably  ☺02:32
angelleyeSo I had some virtual hosts configured in apache, but it was all default mod_php.  I was having permissions issues, so I installed SuPHP, but now my PHP pages won't load correctly on the server.  I've searched and searched and everything says I just need to make sure my directories are 755 and my files are 644.  They are.  I still can't get past this.  Would love some advice, please.03:03
Skaagmy suggestion is mod_ruid203:05
angelleyeonce i get a handle on getting the site(s) to use the handler I want, then I'd love to try something else.  But is there anything you can tell me about how to at least make it work with suphp right now?03:06
rax_hi03:06
rax_any web server admins here03:06
rax_pref who run wwordpress03:06
angelleyeon my live servers I have WHM/Cpanel or Plesk, and in each there's a simple drop down where I can change the site's PHP handler03:06
rax_cpane/whm only runs on centos03:06
twbrax_: maybe try #wordpress first?03:06
rax_yeah but I want ubuntu web admins03:07
rax_:)03:07
angelleyewell, whatever it's doing on centos seems to work03:07
angelleyei need to do the same here03:07
angelleyei can see two different php.ini files in my server.  one for mod_php and one for cgi03:07
rax_I'm trying to migrate a site now03:07
angelleyeso it seems like maybe my sites are just seeing the wrong one..??03:07
rax_causing me problems03:07
twbangelleye: so edit one and see if it affects those sites.03:08
angelleyehow would I see?  i can't get PHP to load at all right now.03:08
rax_anyone use ebox03:08
rax_here03:08
twb!anyone > rax_03:09
ubotturax_, please see my private message03:09
rax_thanks03:09
angelleyethe only one that was there originally was /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini, and everything was working fine except for my permissions issues.  Then I just installed suphp following a guide online which matched the same steps I see pretty much everywhere, and everything followed the screenshots accordingly, but now none of my sites load and the guides all act like there's nothing else to it.03:10
rax_webmin isn't supported officially on  ubuntu03:10
rax_im trying to use ebox to administer a wordpress blog, and its not able to let me in03:10
twbSorry, I do not provide support for any WHCP.03:11
rax_keep getting my connection refused03:11
rax_dont' know what a whcp03:11
rax_its ok03:11
rax_thanks anyway03:11
rax_ill keep tinkering away03:11
rax_ebox is just what is featured here https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/serverguide/C/ebox.html03:11
twbWeb Hosting Control Panel -- cpanel, plesk, ebox, webmin, etc.03:12
rax_twb are you a website host03:13
rax_how do you manage your sites03:13
rax_just SSH in ?03:13
twbYes.03:14
rax_what about monitoring03:14
twbnagios and collectd03:14
rax_you're right03:14
twbBut because I will not allow PHP on my systems, blog.cyber.com.au is actually managed by wordpress.com, not by me03:14
rax_ill uninstall ebox03:14
rax_why no php03:15
twbBecause PHP is responsible for over one quarter of all security issues every year03:15
rax_but03:17
rax_any serious website needs php03:17
angelleyein WHM on my live server there's a section called "Configure PHP and SuExec" and in there is a drop down that allows me to change the PHP 5 Handler from suphp, dso, fcgi, and cgi.  so that must issue some sort of command when I submit a change here, right?  Any idea what the equivelant is in Ubuntu?03:17
rax_no clue... :(03:18
twbrax_: if by "website" you mean an application, there are non-negligible alternatives to PHP for server-side scripts; from the venerable perl, to python, to new-shiny-js (nodejs), to edge cases like seaside (smalltalk), C, and haskell.03:19
twbAnd of course tomcat, but I am not a fan of Java either.03:19
rax_you're right03:20
rax_but theres a lot of cms out there03:20
rax_like wordpress03:20
rax_drupal03:20
rax_joomla03:20
rax_that rely on mysql and php03:20
rax_facebook usesp hp03:20
rax_php**03:20
rax_you're inferring php is a bad programming language03:20
twbrax_: that's because CMSs are built by and for idiots.03:20
rax_:(03:20
twbI'm not *inferring* anything.  PHP is an obsenely poor programming language.03:21
twb*obscenely03:21
rax_how come03:21
rax_due to security flaws?03:21
angelleyehe'd just rather waste his time building everything from scratch cuz it makes him feel cool.03:22
twbThe abysmal security record from PHP is a side effect of its poor (or absent) design, and its large community of undereducated users03:22
angelleyeunderedcuated users...that's the problem03:22
angelleyephp isn't the problem03:22
rax_perhaps03:23
rax_all good points though.03:23
rax_there isn't any absolute answer here though03:23
twbangelleye: actually the PHP core has significant issues, too.03:23
rax_in reality developers and users exist within their realms, and a significant portion of companies and devs use PHP03:23
twbangelleye: e.g. the recent hash fix that introduced a remote execution vulnerability.03:23
rax_id rather work with Ubuntu03:23
rax_then debian03:23
rax_or centos03:23
rax_i have some cpanel/whm servers too03:23
rax_im trying to move away for my Vps customers03:24
twbrax_: obviously if your $boss says you have to use PHP, then you have to either suck it up and use it, convince him otherwise, or get a better job03:24
rax_what about ASP.NET?03:24
twbI know nothing of that because it's proprietary and/or platform-specific.03:25
rax_a lot of websites rely on Windows03:25
masumotokhello, I am trying to install ubuntu-orchestra. when I login to http://localhost/cobbler_web/ and click any menu like "distros", I enforcely am taken back to login screen. it only happens when I use chrome( IE, firefox, no problem). does anyone know what kind of settings are necessary to chrome?03:27
rax_never used orchestra03:30
rax_what is it03:30
masumotokrax_: http://cloud.ubuntu.com/2011/10/getting-started-with-ubuntu-orchestra-servers-in-concert/03:31
twbrax_: some kind of change management / provisioning / cloud thing03:32
rax_ah cool03:37
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rax_for some reason vsftpd isn't retrieving a directory04:19
rax_anyone have any ideas?04:19
rax_im logging in as a user who's a sudo04:19
ch33z____who cares04:20
ch33z____read the manual04:20
gnomecd i have04:22
gnomelike 9 times04:22
gnomeevery one of them04:22
gnomeand they don't say at the end of them..04:22
gnome'this fundamentally doesn't work'04:22
gnomeer ch33z04:22
gnomei am using orc to deply to a 10 machines cluster for mpi research04:23
gnomei encounter all kinds of bs. :004:23
twbhttp://mywiki.wooledge.org/FtpMustDie04:24
qman___yep, FTP was never a good idea, and now that SFTP is so laughably easy to set up and use, there's no excuse for it04:27
twbqman___: it was probably a good idea when the incumbent was UUCP04:29
twbBack when there were nearly 100 computers in the world04:29
rax_lol04:37
rax_wghats this04:37
rax_thats funny04:39
rax_sftp huh04:39
rax_I'm stuck with FTP04:41
rax_i take it  you don't use vstpd04:42
qman___there's no reason to use FTP at all04:42
qman___every FTP client worth its salt now supports SFTP04:42
rax_alright forget it04:42
rax_im just installing webmin04:42
rax_this commadn line business is taking too long04:42
twbPlonk.04:43
qman___well, good luck with that, but be aware that once you do that, we can't help you04:44
qman___webmin breaks things in weird ways and is akin to voiding the warranty04:44
twbs/wierd/stupid/04:44
rax_what does it break05:07
rax_webmin is awesome.05:07
rax_i coldn't get FTP going05:08
rax_I'm using the file manager in webmin05:08
rax_to do this05:08
qman___rax_, the things that webmin breaks are too varied and unpredictable to list or predict, that's why it's not supported05:13
rax_just a few libraries that aren't.05:15
rax_debian supports it05:15
rax_theres no webmin equivalent05:15
rax_http://www.webmin.com/deb.html05:15
qman___that's not correct05:17
qman___debian is supported by webmin, but webmin is not supported by debian05:17
rax_right05:17
rax_sorry05:17
rax_how about this05:17
rax_installing webmin05:17
rax_doing all the intiial configuration work05:17
rax_using their built in tools05:17
qman___not supported05:17
rax_then uninstalling, through apt-get remove05:17
rax_i installed it from binaries05:17
rax_usnig dpkg05:17
rax_in that guide05:18
qman___installing and using is what does the damage05:18
qman___and that damage is not undone by removing05:18
rax_what damage does it do05:18
qman___breaks config files05:19
qman___doesn't follow the debian way05:19
twbwebmin's .deb is just a tarball converted to a deb05:19
rax_oh05:19
twbwebmin will update itself in-place, breaking checksums against its own deb05:19
rax_I don't understand all the hate for this great applicatin05:20
rax_what about virtualmin05:20
twbLast time I checked, there were at least three critical errors and over a hundred non-critical errors in webmin's .deb05:20
rax_but it works so great.05:20
rax_:(05:20
qman___if you consider breaking package management great, ok05:20
qman___but we can't support that, and we can't support your broken system after webmin breaks it05:21
rax_im not asking for any support - its not like im paying for this OS to begin with05:21
rax_i appreciate your feedback on the matter though05:22
rax_i still don't understand why webmin "breaks" anything05:22
qman___it is well known to break package management and cause other software to not work as expected05:25
qman___because of that we cannot support or recommend it05:26
qman___if it works for you, that's your prerogative05:26
rax_well05:27
rax_my original problem was managing a website05:27
rax_im looking for some remote tools to make this easier05:27
rax_webmin has a lot of built in tools05:27
rax_like the file manager05:28
rax_along with the mysql manager too05:28
rax_qman what do you suggset05:29
rax_for remote tools05:29
qman___I don't know exactly what you're getting at05:30
qman___SFTP works great for file management05:30
rax_I don't think wordpress supports sftp05:30
rax_ftps is another story05:30
qman___I don't know anything about wordpress, but if it's running on ubuntu, you can use sftp05:31
qman___that is, I don't know anything about using wordpress05:32
qman___I know plenty about sites that use wordpress getting spammed and hacked05:32
rax_yeah i manage about 3005:32
rax_all on cpanel hosts05:32
rax_they do fine.05:33
rax_im trying to get away from cpanel though05:33
rax_licensing fees and processing overhead05:33
rax_is killing me05:33
rax_all websites hosted on dedicated or vps's05:33
rax_running centos05:33
qman___well, if I was going to run a wordpress site, I'd start with 'apt-get install wordpress'05:34
rax_apt-get install wordpress05:35
rax_i have no idea what that command does05:35
rax_i need to be able to configure virtual hosts05:35
rax_name based05:35
rax_that command overrides a whole bunch of stuff05:35
qman___name based virtual hosts are easy05:36
qman___well-covered in the server guide05:36
rax_yeah but05:39
rax_well05:39
rax_to be honest05:39
rax_im looking at a way to use kvm05:39
rax_to virtualize environments05:39
rax_theres an appliance from turnkey linux05:40
rax_a wordpress appliance05:40
rax_I want to run the Xen image05:40
rax_but I have no idea how to configur ekvm05:40
rax_configure**05:40
qman___Xen and KVM are two completely different softwares05:40
qman___you can't use a Xen image on KVM or the opposite05:40
rax_shows you how much I know about virtualizing on ubuntu05:41
qman___but you don't need some prepackaged image either05:41
qman___if all you want is a wordpress server image, just create one05:42
qman___install blank ubuntu server, apt-get install wordpress, configure basics, and save it05:42
qman___there's your wordpress appliance05:42
rax_apt-get install wordpress isn't enough though. I'm trying to migrate a wordpress site over.05:43
rax_that'd be great if i was just starting a site.05:43
qman___the turnkey appliance is going to be the same deal05:44
qman___I don't know wordpress, but importing data is most likely going to be just importing the database and ensuring the right packages are installed05:44
qman___and maybe a config.php05:44
rax_yep05:45
rax_essentially05:45
rax_then changing the config05:45
rax_and created a mysql database user05:45
rax_etc..etc..05:45
rax_ill look into apt-get install wordpress05:45
rax_aalthough i know its not fo rme, ive tried it.05:45
qman___well, having not used it before, that's where I'd start05:46
qman___but if you want to get more custom, just install LAMP and work from there05:46
qman___use the dependencies listed for the wordpress package to know what's required05:46
rax_yeah dude05:49
rax_im on it05:49
rax_just using webmin05:49
rax_to manage it all05:49
rax_got htop open in another window05:49
rax_watching all the files move around05:49
rax_i really love webmin <305:50
rax_great software.05:50
rax_completely free to boot.05:50
rax_damnit06:23
rax_mysql06:23
rax_so tricky06:23
twbKids these days...06:51
eagles0513875hey guys06:59
eagles0513875i have a question what is the URL that i need to use when trying to do a network install of ubuntu 10.04. when its at the part where it has to look for a release file on a particular mirror it seems like its unable to find the release file regardless of what mirror i give it07:00
uvirtbot`New bug: #946137 in exim4 (main) "4.76.3-3ubuntu3 : update-exim4.conf crashed with SIGSEGV in __libc_start_main()" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/94613707:41
RoyKanyone here tried sanlock?08:59
RoyKanyone that knows what might be starting dnsmasq on this machine? it's running kvm on 11.1013:46
JanClibvirt?13:47
JanCRoyK: ^^^13:48
wondermansomeone please for the love of god help me diagnose this15:40
wondermanhttp://pastebin.com/ByFDFWMB15:40
SpamapSwonderman: can I do it just for the love of belgian waffles?16:03
wondermansure...16:03
wondermanive looked into everything i can think of16:03
SpamapSwonderman: is it ongoing or a one time thing?16:04
wondermanongoing16:04
SpamapSwonderman: perhaps your log format is just wrong?16:04
wondermanlike how?16:05
SpamapSwonderman: in your config files there's a default LogFormat (assuming thats an apache log?)16:05
wondermanthats not all my log, i grepped it for "408"16:05
SpamapSwonderman: ah ok16:05
SpamapSwonderman: apache right?16:06
wondermanyes16:06
SpamapSwonderman: ah, thats a DoS then16:06
SpamapSwonderman: 408, request timeout16:06
SpamapSwonderman: means the other side is trying to exhaust your connections16:06
wondermanits not a dos16:06
wondermanits normal traffic, for the most part16:07
wondermansame ip rarely comes up16:07
SpamapSwonderman: well why else would you have many IPs failing to submit requests?16:07
wondermanthats why i am here?16:07
SpamapSwonderman: unless this server is behind a reverse proxy, and you're logging the Forwarded-For addresess.16:08
wondermanhow can i tell that?, ive not touched any settings with ym hosting provider16:08
wondermanit could be DNS issue?16:08
SpamapSwonderman: DNS, no.16:08
wondermanwell, no proxying here16:08
SpamapSwonderman: 408 is issued by apache to a client when it takes too long to make a request16:09
wondermani know..16:09
wondermanthey have to have made an original request, to get the connection in the first place16:10
SpamapSwonderman: the default "Timeout" is 300 seconds http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/mod/core.html#timeout16:11
wondermancorrect16:11
wonderman:S16:12
wondermanive been trying to diagnose this for a week now16:12
wondermanprob is the 408 gives me nothing to go by...16:12
SpamapSwonderman: is it causing an actual problem or just the logs?16:12
wondermanjust logs, but i cannot tell what these 1000s of clients is experiencing16:13
SpamapSwonderman: they're not experiencing anything.. they've connected and failed to do anything with the connection in 300s ..16:14
SpamapSwonderman: I have about 0.01% 408's in my server logs16:14
wondermancould my content cause that?16:15
wondermanno idea how many for me, but easily 5%16:15
SpamapSI don't think content would cause it..16:15
wondermanit cant be clients, how could so many people brow a website, and not request anything?16:16
wondermankind of impossible if you ask me16:16
wondermanvia a browser16:16
SpamapSar/$16:17
SpamapSdoh16:18
SpamapSwonderman: because they're broken16:18
wondermandoesnt make sense16:19
wonderman:)16:19
SpamapSwonderman: could be a spider.. some botnet looking for more to compromise16:19
wondermani checked 50 ips16:19
wondermanthey are general traffic16:19
SpamapSwonderman: ahh.. any possibility they're getting firewalled somehow?16:21
wondermani dont have any firewall whatesoever currently, not sure about hardware FW, but i doubt it as i have to pay for that :)16:21
KiallAnyone else seeing connection failures to us-east-1.ec2.archive.ubuntu.com?17:01
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donalhi all18:08
donalI'm trying to run an application on ubuntu18:09
donalthe app needs to send email18:09
donalI've looked at the instructions for installing postfix https://help.ubuntu.com/11.04/serverguide/C/postfix.html18:09
donalthey seem scary18:09
donaland there's lots of different choices presented, most of which I don't understand18:10
donalall I want to use the SMTP server for is sending email from my application18:10
donalapart from installing the server itself, what do I need to do in terms of configuration?18:11
viezerddonal: see if this helps http://www.postfix.org/STANDARD_CONFIGURATION_README.html#null_client18:13
donalthanks viezerd18:15
viezerdyw18:15
donalam I right in assuming that postfix can only send mail, i.e. it can't receive mail too ?18:16
viezerddonal: postfix can also receive mail, from other mailservers, and then for example pass it to an IMAP or POP server18:19
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RoyKJanC: yep20:02
ch33zI TELL YOU!!20:53
philipballewIf I want to have two ssh servers on a network. Should I only open a port for one and allow the other's to just be accsessed via the computer connected to the outside server or open ports for all of them?20:54
JanCphilipballew: depends on your use case really, but having only one accessible from outside might be better; just don't relax the security on those who aren't accessible from outside because you think they are safe...21:05
philipballewtrue, I need to set up rsa keys on them  and also today I am setting up a vpn server on one. Is there anything security wise a vpn needs I might not have thought of that i would do normally for ssh?21:06
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qman___philipballew, having more than one at the same IP on different ports causes key errors if you try to access both from the same host21:23
qman___SSH key verification doesn't treat different ports as different servers, only IPs21:23
qman___so, unless you've got a very specific set of circumstances, it's best to have a 'gateway' SSH server to access the rest21:23
qman___or use a VPN21:23
philipballewyeah. one is .200 and one is 201. the 200 is my ssh and vpn server. the other monitors and logs the network. make sure our neighbors we let share dont look at porn and such21:24
philipballewi like to use vpn to connect to and surf the web. but ssh to connect and play with the shell21:29
stgraberhallyn: http://www.stgraber.org/2012/03/04/booting-an-ubuntu-12-04-virtual-machine-in-an-lxc-container/21:36
Canadian1296I'm having some problems with postfix acessing my mysql database. I'm getting `Mar  4 14:37:07 server postfix/trivial-rewrite[18415]: warning: connect to mysql server localhost: Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2)` in mail.log21:39
ikoniaCanadian1296: sounds like mysql isnt running21:40
Canadian1296ikonia: It is, I just checked21:41
ikoniaCanadian1296: how did you check21:41
Canadian1296ikonia: sudo service mysql status21:41
ikoniaCanadian1296: that is not valid21:41
ikoniaCanadian1296: try to connect to the database with the mysql client21:42
Canadian1296Alright21:42
Canadian1296`mysql -u mail -p` (type password). I get a mysql prompt.21:42
Canadian1296ikonia: ^^21:43
lamontthe socket isn't linked inside the chroot and the daemon in question is running chrooted21:43
Canadian1296lamont: How do I fix it?21:43
lamontthat'd be my guess21:43
ikoniawho says he's chrooting ?21:43
ikoniait' wrong21:43
ikonia(mysql doesn't chroot by default)21:43
lamontthat or the daemon doesn't have access to /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock21:43
Canadian1296And i didnt tell it to, so it''s not.21:43
lamontpostfix21:43
Canadian1296How do I check if it does?21:44
ikoniacheck if the socket file exists  /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock21:44
ikoniathen check the permissions21:44
ikonia(it should exist if you have connected)21:44
ikoniaCanadian1296: mysql -u mail -D $database -p21:45
Canadian1296ikonia: It exists and is owned my mysql:mysql. Permissions 77721:45
Canadian1296ikonia: and I can connect with that command21:46
lamonttrivial-rewrite defaults to chrooted...  if this fixes it, then that's the issue.  note that the fix is wrong in all kinds of ways I don't have time to go into:21:46
lamontmkdir -p /var/spool/postfix/var/run/mysqld/; mount -o bind /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock /var/spool/postfix/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock21:46
ikonialamont: what are you doing ?21:46
Canadian1296ikonia: Should I run what he just said?21:47
lamontikonia: making the mysql socket available inside the postfix chroot21:47
ikonialamont: ooh, you mean postfix is chrooted21:47
lamontikonia: verily21:47
ikonialamont: sorry, I thought you where saying mysql was running chrooted21:47
Canadian1296How do I tell?21:47
ikoniaCanadian1296: well, it seems a sensible approach if you are running postfix chrooted21:47
ikoniaCanadian1296: look in the config file21:47
lamontanyway, I'll let you two work through it, I'm supposed to be across town21:47
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lamontCanadian1296: if you didn't change master.cf, postfix trivial-rewrite is running chrooted21:48
lamontand I know for a fact that postfix-mysql maps package does nothing about dealing with the socket21:48
Canadian1296I didnt change master.cf21:48
lamontso your issue would (1) make sense, and (2) be a bug that I'd love someone to suggest a proper answer for21:48
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ikoniaI dont think postfix should create mysql sockets in chroot by default21:49
ikoniathat's part of understanding what you are doing21:49
Canadian1296ikonia: Either way, how do I fix it?21:49
ikoniafollow lamont about creating a socket in your postfix chroot21:50
Canadian1296ikonia: Didn't work. I'm just going to start over :/21:56
ikoniaok21:56
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nmittalis there a GUI to setup RAID 1 on my machine23:35
philipballewHow would someone recommend transferring flies over ssh? I know there are so many options and one is better then others23:41
patdk-lapscp23:42
patdk-laprsync23:42
philipballewpatdk-lap, thank you. I have used rsync before. Maybe today ill try scp23:46
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