[00:57] exit [00:57] quit [00:58] ragequit [08:25] \o [08:51] Morning [08:51] \o/ popey [08:51] * TheOpenSourcerer haz tickets [08:52] yay [08:54] Time for going back to bed now. Was up at 04:20# [08:56] 3.5 hours.. [08:56] then: http://20vanalphen.nl/web/images/uploads/bestanden/Parcours_overzicht_2011_totaal_Pdf.pdf [08:59] wow you are doing parcour? [09:00] AlanBell: 20km run/race [09:00] not the leaping off buildings kind? [09:01] No, the "We've closed the roads so you can run" kind :) [09:01] with ~8k people [09:01] nice [09:01] night night all. [09:01] \o TheOpenSourcerer [09:06] * dwatkins wanders in with tea [10:16] Morning all [10:33] o/ [10:38] Huawei E367 mobile dongle - will it work oh with Ubuntu? [10:38] [can't test it myself until 14-03 - blew my current allowance - complained - they upgraded me to the E367 with a 15GB allowance - but must not use till 14th... [10:40] * MartijnVdS has a laptop with built-in 3G modem, so I have no idea [10:40] oh dear - just seen bug #776959 [10:40] Launchpad bug 776959 in Baltix "huawei e367 does not work" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/776959 [10:41] ....but it *does* claim a fix :) [10:46] MartijnVdS: can't you rush out & get one now so you can test it for me? :D [11:25] good morning everyone. [11:27] o/ brobostigon [11:28] o/ SuperEngineer [11:33] * SuperEngineer prepares to turn off brain & go shopping.... bfn [11:33] similer here, and it is raining. [12:33] i just installed Ubuntu :o [12:33] woo [12:33] got a new PC :p [12:33] but need to update it alot only CD i found was 10.10 [12:34] this computer seems faster with Ubuntu [12:34] but still want Windows 7 for gayming [12:38] hi bittin [12:39] Hi AlanBell [12:39] yeah, I heard there are games on windows [12:39] playing with my new Intel Dualcore i got from dad and his wife [12:39] only ever found minesweeper and solitaire when I used it though [12:39] they wanted to buy a new laptop instead, and only problem with this was that the SATA drive needed a change :p [12:40] haven't used Ubuntu in forever [12:40] its purple nowdays [12:40] I have a new desktop on order for my parents, should arrive this week [12:40] cool [12:40] going to put 12.04 on it for them [12:41] cool [12:41] last time i used Ubuntu it was 10.04 [12:41] but had a 10.10 CD laying around, but updating this to 11.04 atm [12:41] update-manager -d [12:41] :) [12:43] had some old P3s and P4s running Windows XP and Lubuntu here, now i got this DualCore monster running Windows 7 and Ubuntu 11.04 [12:43] I would keep going with the upgrades to get it to 11.10 [12:43] and maybe the beta of 12.04 [12:44] the earlier versions of Unity are a bit challenging in places [12:45] ah i think i will use gnome3 instead [12:45] not a big fan of Unity [12:46] should try to get a better gfx card then: Radeon HD 3450 also [12:46] and play some BF3 [12:47] Ubuntu Natty Narwahls Narwhals Narwhals Swimming in the Ocean [12:48] causing a comotion [13:18] well they would with those long pointy things [13:21] * SuperEngineer settles down from shopping... turns brain back on [13:22] it is snowing [13:22] no it's not [13:22] * penguin42 agrees with SuperEngineer [13:23] majority verdict has it - it is *not* snowing - therefore AlanBell is on drugs? [13:24] well sleety rain [13:24] [pardon the humour - had apint on way back from shopping ;) [14:01] hi SuperEngineer [14:01] hi PhantomBoo [14:02] SuperEngineer: do you think they've guessed? [14:02] PhantomBoo: nah.. not for at at least 10 secounds yet [14:03] SuperEngineer: so how's the dual personality going? [14:03] thats a nice IP address you have there [14:03] PhantomBoo: ooo, *very* much the same as yours [14:04] ;) [14:04] got a new device? [14:04] [just trying out IRC in Pigrin... nah! sticking with this methinks] [14:05] [....bye PhantomBoo ] [14:05] I tried the mono based IRC client a while back, seemed OK if you are not in many channels [14:05] that meant to say *pidgin btw] [14:06] there won't be any mono on the 12.04 CD now I presume [14:06] theopensourcerer should do a blog post on how to install mono :) [14:06] yeh... what was the decision on that? momo - or no mono? [14:06] I think no mono [14:06] oh well [14:06] I will check in a bit [14:07] wonder if directhex can help with a command to install every mono based thing in the repos [14:12] no mono that I can find [14:13] AlanBell: apt-cache rdepends maybe? [14:13] yeah, I was just thinking that [14:13] so what do all mono thingies depend on? [14:14] mono-runtime? [14:15] I thought the decision [if mono was not going to be CD}, it would be available in repos [though I haven't checked] [14:16] it is [14:16] there was never any question about removing it from the repos [14:16] except on some really obscure architecture like solaris or aix [14:17] http://paste.ubuntu.com/868268/ [14:17] still seems a waste to move "CD" size up to just above Cd & thewrefore DVD required... & not include it? [14:18] on line 45 of that there is |libzeroc-ice3.4-cil. What is the | for? [14:18] [Stuart Langridge] My new phone, 2012 edition - http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2012/03/04/my-new-phone-2012-edition [14:18] dunno, have we bust the CD size? [14:19] I thought that was also the intention [/me looks for relevant info] [14:20] [14:20] 6 Key Changes in Next Ubuntu 12.04 Precise Pangolin | Tech Drive-in [14:20] Nov 12, 2011 ... Ubuntu 12.04 Precise Pangolin's ISO size will increase to 750MB and hence it won't fit into CD anymore. It is a rather reasonable move in my ... [14:21] sure, it was appproved that it wouldn't be a problem if we went to 750, but right now it is 701MB [14:21] ooo - now that *is* a pleasant surprise [14:22] * TOShrun haz installed 12.04 on my lappy. [14:23] One thing I find a tad annoying is if you minimise an app there is no obvious way to find which desktop it is on. If you click the launcher to maximise it again and you are in the wrong workspace then nothing happens. [14:24] * SuperEngineer hates that "word" [i.e. "lappy"] [14:24] what you need is my little script to add window quicklists to the launcher icons [14:24] Ah. [14:25] http://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/quicklists.py [14:25] grab that, make it executeable and run it [14:26] then right click things in the launcher and see lots of happy lists of windows [14:28] quit [14:31] AlanBell: Still doesn't tell me which wspace an app is on [14:31] Or do I need to restart unity [14:31] no, but you can select it and you go to the right workspace and it unminimises [14:32] would you like it to show the workspace in the quicklists? [14:32] or sort by workspace or something? [14:32] Not for me it doesn't [14:33] Ah sorry my bad left click, not right :-) [14:33] odd. If I minimise something, then go to a different workspace and select it from the quicklist then I whoosh over to the correct workspace and it opens [14:33] thanks, that is a big improvement [14:34] a thought [ & a question ]... is 12.04 the time to move to 64bit - or stay at 32bit? Are apps in 12.04/64bit ok for day to say use? [14:34] I was using the right click popup menu to select it. That doesn't seem to wiz me to the right workspace [14:34] SuperEngineer: you are still on 32 bit!! [14:34] yep [14:35] SuperEngineer: I've not used a 32bit desktop since 9.10 IIRC [14:35] from habit only [14:35] * SuperEngineer downloads 64bit to try [14:35] yeah, 64 bit is totally and utterly fine [14:35] thanks [14:35] installing skype pulls in a heap of 32bit stuff, then it works [14:35] flash works fine, everything works fine [14:36] Anyone using skype-wrapper successfully on 12.04? [14:36] what does that do? [14:36] Puts skype into the messaging menu [14:36] Apparently [14:37] But it was a bag of fail when I tried it yesterday. [14:37] NOt that I tried very hard. Only started it once then had to go out. [14:37] oh OK, that might be useful, better than the panel icon that vanishes for no apparent reason [14:37] Yes. [14:38] !info skype-wrapper [14:38] so I always knew which to pick in 32 bit but which of the many/sevaral in 64 bit ? [desktop]. intel chip - use the amd64 iso? [14:38] Package skype-wrapper does not exist in oneiric [14:38] what is the package name for it? [14:38] it's a PPA [14:38] Google it. [14:38] oh, right [14:38] You need his unstable pps for precise. [14:38] SuperEngineer: amd64 iso [14:39] s\ppa [14:39] thanks AlanBell [14:50] someone needs to hack the n900 skype binaries to run on x86 thru qemu [14:51] that would be the best thing ever [14:51] arm binaries? [14:52] or even better canonical should licence them from collabora [14:52] what exactly does n900 run? [14:53] debian [14:53] mangled debian, but still debian [14:53] then you should be able to install qemu-user or possibly qemu-user-static and an ARM userland and get it to run - with a bit of a fight [14:53] yes but its not a stand alone exe [14:54] it's a proper telepathy plugin [14:54] that's a bit of a pain; it's probably easier to run the whole thing [14:54] well yeah but i can already do that [14:54] skype UI sucks [14:55] http://eion.robbmob.com/ does that do enough? [14:57] maybe [14:57] i'll try it in a bit [14:58] it says it will do everything the skype UI will do, but I only see screenshots of text IM chatting [14:58] yeah [14:58] I think voice and video calling is kind of a core feature of skype [14:58] indeed [15:00] while I'm downloading the 64bit beta - here's a [non-Ubuntu] question that's bugging me... [15:00] Hello [15:00] what the heck did I put in twitter [#SuprEngr] that made my following jump 80% [from a very low 5 to a low 9]? I'm only a casual user! [15:01] o/ s-fox - glad to see see you here [15:01] Hello SuperEngineer [15:02] How are you doing, been a while [15:02] [assume s- = silver?] [15:02] I've been ok thanks [15:02] Good :) [15:03] I hope all well with your good self [15:03] Yes, I am well again thank you :) Watching the 6 nations rugby [15:03] :) [15:04] [no better sport than that!] [15:07] for those that are wondering.. s-fox offered to mentor me in #Ubuntu-Beginners - but I kept getting sent from home and never had a chance to follow it through! [15:07] AlanBell: mono-complete installs all of src:mono. there's no command to install all mono-based apps 'cos that'd be stupid [15:08] yeah, it would be stupid, but I am not going to let a little thing like that stop me [15:08] the rdepends of mono-runtime looks fairly comprehensive, do you think it misses anything? [15:11] AlanBell: mono-runtime brings in the bare minimum - enough for the mono infrastructure to work (e.g. installing mono libraries uses the "gacutil" command, mono-runtime pulls in enough for gacutil to run) [15:11] Afternoon guys [15:11] Any of you used Nginx before ? [15:11] diplo: Briefly. As a reverse proxy [15:12] directhex: Right but every mono app is going to be an redepend on mono-runtime then ? [15:12] Just failing to get php to work with it, wondering if anyone has any pointers [15:12] it's fastcgi iiuc [15:12] yeah installed php5-fpm and it's running and all looks good [15:13] No errors, just get 502 bad gateway after 10 secs or so of trying to load [15:13] penguin42: yes, assuming it wasn't packaged by babboons. anything with a .net .exe file should depend on mono-runtime [15:13] directhex: if I install this lot http://paste.ubuntu.com/868268/ have I missed anything? [15:14] Ireland got a sneaky try then! [15:14] Bad France [15:14] AlanBell: nothing obvious. except for the monodevelop addins [15:15] and various other plugins i guess, e.g. banshee plugins [15:17] not sure why you'd want all that installed though, it's such an ecclectic mix of random apps [15:18] bible study, IDE, graphic calculator, etc [15:23] directhex: well theopensourcerer has done various blog articles on the mono stuff on the CD and how to take it all off, I thought as there is no mono stuff on the 12.04 CD then an article about how to put it all on would be nice [15:23] ah, the ol' reddit switch-a-roo [15:31] AlanBell: So is there no tomboy in 12.04 then? I thought that was a pretty popular app. [15:32] you can install it and if you are upgrading it will still be there [15:33] ok [15:33] and it still syncs to Ubuntu One I think, just doesn't expose the content on the website there [15:33] if I read the articles right, I don't use it myself [15:35] me neither. [15:36] So if 12.04 is mono free wtf won't it fit on a CD??? What has been added to make it so much bigger? [15:36] um, it *does* fit [15:37] Oh - I though I saw you saying earlier it was going to be 750Mb or so. [15:37] no, I quite specifically said the opposite :) [15:37] it is 701MB [15:37] ah my bad [15:38] it was agreed that it could go to 750, but they didn't need to [15:38] largely because of the mono change I guess [15:38] So no need for a Chicken Little remix this time round then... [15:39] nope, directhex made that [15:39] I know [15:39] i blew away the CLR repo a few days ago [15:52] Annoying that a number of the Thunderbird dialogues are too long for my (normal size) laptop monitor. [15:55] like "Thunderbirds are GO!" [15:55] FIVE! [15:55] FOUR! [15:55] FOUR! [15:56] THREE! [15:56] TWO! [15:56] ONE! [16:02] stop shouting - my virtual ears hurt [16:03] 0 upgraded, 411 newly installed, 0 to remove and 88 not upgraded. [16:03] Need to get 170 MB of archives. [16:03] After this operation, 530 MB of additional disk space will be used. [16:03] is what is required to install all of mono (less the plugins and fiddly bits) [16:04] why do something "stupid" like that? ;) [16:05] http://paste.ubuntu.com/868423/ to see what it does [16:07] well you're pulling in apache [16:08] why doesn't gwibber have it's buttons on the top bar? I thought it was an "integrated" app? [16:08] Oh I see, only when it is full screen. [16:10] and i wouldn't bother pulling in debug packages either [16:13] AlanBell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/868433/ is a list without pointless duplication or highly esoteric interfaces to development tools nobody uses [16:17] hmph, autopano-sift is still in the archve [16:19] http://paste.ubuntu.com/868442/ looks good [16:24] AlanBell: bear in mind more than 100 meg of that is model trains. [16:24] http://packages.ubuntu.com/precise/bve-route-cross-city-south [16:29] excellent [16:32] without openBVE it drops from 157MB to 128MB of archives, so only 29MB of compressed train [16:33] AlanBell: space on disk though [16:34] yup [16:35] the winforms-and-tao-opengl mix used by openbve is also used by other cross-platform games, even commercial ones [16:40] * MartijnVdS listens to some Demoscene Time Machine [16:40] Bleepy goodness! [16:46] listening to popey http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oG1WkI8h40 talk about some cool stuff [16:51] AlanBell: why do you want to install "everything mono" [16:52] How can I give my user account privileges to read and write in folders/files which are owned by www-data? [16:52] gpasswd -a www-data [16:53] ali1234: What does that command do? [16:53] add you to group www-data [16:53] ali1234: Ok, thanks =] [16:53] of course it's debatable whether this is a good idea or not [16:54] Why would it be a bad idea? I guess in terms of security. But the alternative is a lot of chowning [16:57] ali1234: Trying to "rm index.html" from /var/www gives me permission denied after adding myself to the group via the command you gave me. Any ideas? [16:57] you have to log out and log in again [16:57] and you have to check group permissions too [17:00] ali1234: Doh. /var/www is by default owned by root, not www-data [17:15] so you can't change the web site when you h4x0r it [17:18] ali1234: well I wanted to find out what everything mono is [17:25] AlanBell: but why? [17:41] to see what's left to replace? [17:44] oh good. aq doesn't mention me in the blog post. [17:44] Myrtti: you wanted a mention? [17:44] no I didn't [17:45] If I had, I'd said "oh boo." [17:45] maybe you were being ironic/sarcastic [17:45] hard to tell from this side of the internet ;) [17:49] oh dear [17:49] SO just found cooking.stackexchange.com === AndrewGe1 is now known as AndrewGee [18:59] thinking about getting myself one of those little robot hoovers, the amazon reviews are a great read: so far it has resisted chucking itself down the stairs "which was nice" [18:59] hahaha [19:00] I bet 99% of people "test" the stairs on the first day ;) [19:00] just too tempting [19:00] they still don't seem to have invented a little robot hoover than can do the stairs too though, once they do that, we'll know its the future [19:01] be nice if it made coffee too [19:01] i think your looking for a maid or something [19:01] robot maid [19:01] try japan [19:01] why not just a maid? ;/ [19:02] robot maid is the future, regular maid is the past [19:02] I personally doubt all these robots will happen [19:03] some huge man made problem will come about before we get that far [19:04] well it already is happening, more menial jobs get replaced with robots every day - not what you might envisage from the jetsons, but still, mechanical-computerized devices [19:04] yeh [19:04] I'm thinking totally automated stuff [19:05] :) [19:05] bank robot gives me my money so i can go to the asda robot to get my noms so i can come home and have my robot hoover take away all the crumbs from said noms [19:06] haven't these robots made you redundant when it comes to the transfer of money, with your cash cards? ;) [19:07] i still have to get cash out occasionally :) the wonderful fantastic local chinese two streets over doesn't accept cards [19:07] haha [19:07] i would eat there every night if i didn't think it would make me grow two sizes too big [19:08] Who needs a robot maid when you can have a RoboGeisha http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgrKLjoWcbs [19:38] wait, what? [19:38] there's someone inside her, though... I'm confused [19:38] the tank is awesome [19:51] Brian Blessed is going into space. [19:52] Fly my bird men [19:52] bigcalm: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcDN409ZBv4 ;) [19:52] evening [19:52] (I know that's a Flash Gordon reference, but I'd just seen this video) [19:52] hiya popey [19:53] evening folks [19:56] hi czajkowski also [19:57] good weekend folks ? [19:58] Today I learned that people clone their pets. It's been an amusing weekend in general. [19:58] How's czajkowski? [20:04] good thanks my folks were over [20:04] so ate lots of yummy foods, and caught a play and did some sight seeing [20:04] anyone know how a person gets to torquay if they don't have access to a car, train seems very long [20:05] helicopter [20:05] thumb a lift? [20:06] train is quite short, the track is very long though [20:06] popey: looking at 5 hrs and 2 changes [20:07] just wondered was there an airport in the region or something [20:07] czajkowski: whereabouts from? [20:07] london [20:07] sounds about right [20:07] 4 hours from farnborough [20:07] yeah, google maps says 6 hours via public transport in general [20:07] it is a proper long way by car [20:07] its 3-3.5 hours by car from farnborough [20:07] so yeah, long [20:07] the trains are pretty good west out of London as I imagine you're aware, looks like they aren't so good south from Weston [20:08] so brighton, torquay and beckenham are 3 plays I want to see but have yet to do so after being here 16 months :/ [20:08] torquay isnt much to see [20:08] plenty better places [20:08] I know but I've just had it in my head and watched a funny show [20:08] ah [20:08] wont be till the weather picks up [20:08] could do them in sequence, I guess [20:09] brighton is nice and easy [20:09] i used to go there quite a bit [20:09] am open to suggestions to see places in the UK [20:09] specificaly the england and wales bit [20:09] depends what you want to see and do ☺ [20:09] :) [20:09] faulty towers isn't a real hotel in torquay [20:09] visit Hull first, and everywhere will be great [20:10] AlanBell: thats every day in this apartment :) [20:10] Oxford's nice, czajkowski. [20:10] Farnham is great :) [20:10] well given this is where I go when I go homem http://url.ie/e79n [20:10] aye Oxford and cambridge are on my to see list [20:10] :) [20:11] suggest - if visiting Torquay - hope on quick bus to Paignton, or better still Dartmouth - so much better [20:11] *hop [20:13] hmm can see a lot of people were active at UGJ over the weekend, good few questions tagged against launchpad instead of ubuntu [20:15] \o/ bletchley park [20:16] czajkowski: Also, a trip to the Gower would be awesome [20:16] Best Ice Cream in the world at Verdis in the mumbles [20:19] Beer is nice. (the place) [20:19] There's a neat train place there [20:20] shall make a list and do some sight seeing this summer [20:20] cheers [20:20] we should do a beer train run again sometime [20:20] http://www.watercressonline.co.uk/section.php?xSec=191 [20:20] czajkowski: Geeknics! [20:20] Geeknic in the Gower be aces [20:20] daubers: I as thinking more summer holidays but yeah :) [20:22] Still aiming to do a Geeknic at Bletchley [20:22] popey: if you organise one let me know so I can tell J more his kinda thing than mine I'd die from all the beer [20:22] there is cider too [20:22] :) [20:23] the beer is not compulsory to drink [20:23] we mostly go for the chatter / social [20:23] ahh ok [20:24] intellectualism.* [20:24] but the beer is of course an added bonus at 2 quid a pint [20:24] \o/ [20:27] popey: wow [20:27] popey: so when we going [20:27] * AlanBell gets out credit card [20:27] which one do you want? [20:27] lets try and make sure I am not on holiday this time [20:28] I seem to recall I was having an unutterably ghastly time in the Gower last time there was a RAT outing [20:29] czajkowski: sorry bit behind in the conversation, there is an airport at Exeter, not sure if you can fly from London though? [20:29] ollyclark: thanks [20:31] ah yes but I've one stop via AMS or Jersey [20:31] train it shall be [20:31] AlanBell: popey july ? [20:33] july sounds good [20:49] hi all, I am trying to burn an lubuntu CD. brasero says that my empty cd is not adaquate media [20:49] I then try to run it again (from CLI) and it says that brasero is already open. [20:50] use the `killall` command to kill brasero, `killall brasero` [20:51] thanks, letś see if that worked. [20:52] simulating the burn. [20:57]