[12:23] <knome> madnick, ?
[12:24] <knome> madnick, can you answer asap
[12:27] <madnick> knome: yes
[12:27] <knome> madnick, great! ochosi needs your help :)
[12:28] <ochosi> hey madnick :)
[12:28] <madnick> hi ochosi :)
[12:28] <ochosi> i'm trying to theme lightdm-gtk-greeter with gtk3 css
[12:28] <ochosi> do you know how to find out the correct classes?
[12:28]  * knome goes setting up 2-step verification for google accts
[12:28] <ochosi> (i tried according to http://developer.gnome.org/gtk3/3.3/GtkCssProvider.html example 24)
[12:29] <madnick> I am acctually nore sure
[12:29] <madnick> not*
[12:29] <ochosi> according to the glade file, the gtkwindow id is "login_window"
[12:30] <madnick> i see
[12:30] <ochosi> looking at the gtk3.3 doc the suggested syntax to match it would be "GtkWindow#login_window"
[12:30] <ochosi> but that doesn't work
[12:30] <madnick> I have never acctually used this feature
[12:30] <ochosi> :(
[12:30] <ochosi> dunno who else i could ask
[12:30] <ochosi> i'm also mostly guessing
[12:30] <madnick> There is a project called something
[12:30] <madnick> that project that unity desktop uses
[12:30] <madnick> they have an irc channel you can ask about lightdm aswell
[12:31] <madnick> pandora? hm, something "pan" i think
[12:32] <ochosi> hm, ok, i'll try to find that then
[12:33] <madnick> I am really sorry I cannot be of more help
[12:34] <ochosi> i guess there's no other way to theme the default greeter
[12:37] <madnick> not in a major way 
[12:37] <ochosi> well, i mostly want a dark theme for it
[12:37] <ochosi> and a few widgets seem broken
[12:38] <ochosi> like the userlist
[12:39] <ochosi> madnick: can't find it here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/ChannelList
[12:40] <ochosi> at least nothing with "pan"
[12:40] <knome> !alis
[12:43] <madnick> hm
[12:43] <madnick> wait
[12:45] <madnick> sorry i cant find it either :\
[15:20] <GridCube> pleia2, knome http://xubuntu.org/news/precisebeta1/ here where it says >nm-connection-manager, should say nm-connection-editor
[16:05] <knome> GridCube, fixed
[16:06] <knome> GridCube, btw, i just added you to the xubuntu-team @ LP
[16:10] <knome> madnick, do you think you could fic the fsck-text for precise in the current plymouth theme?
[16:10] <GridCube> :3 thanks
[16:10] <knome> madnick, also, would transparent PNG's work for the indicator, or do you need a non-transparent one?
[16:11] <GridCube> knome, are we going to use madnick's ligthdm engine for login? or the current oldskull one?
[16:11] <knome> current for precise
[16:11] <GridCube> mmkay
[16:12] <knome> we're trying to get some improvements into it though
[16:13] <knome> GridCube, do you think the current testcases are fine? i mean, does it make sense that with desktop, manual partitioning is mandatory, but with alternate it's run-once ?
[16:13] <knome> GridCube, also, what about wubi? do we have anybody to even test that?
[16:15] <madnick> knome: transparent should work
[16:15] <knome> madnick, okay, thanks. i'll provide you a new throbber sometime soon, if that's okay?
[16:15] <madnick> I will try to get on the fsck-text, i have a vauge memory of already fixing that, but i will see
[16:16] <knome> thanks
[16:16] <madnick> okay sounds good
[16:16] <knome> i think with that, plymouth is almost optimal
[16:16] <GridCube> knome, i haven't done many desktops installs, but i find it rather silly to force manual partitioning on desktop
[16:16] <knome> i mean yeah, the throbber could be circular, but yeah...
[16:16] <GridCube> desktop is for users trying a new desktop, moving from windows to linux, so, forcing them to do high level stuff its silly
[16:16] <knome> GridCube, so that could be run-once? :)
[16:17] <knome> GridCube, well, we aren't forcing. it's just an option, and some want that
[16:17] <knome> GridCube, so what about wubi?
[16:18] <madnick> well, ill get back to you tomorrow, i shall get some much needed sleep :) Poke me if I seem afk, I mostly have IRC open 
[16:18] <knome> madnick, okay, i will. thanks :)
[16:18] <knome> GridCube, i'm generally trying to make the tests doable with current manpower
[16:19] <GridCube> yes, i usually do the autoresize and whole disk, not much about manual, in my tests
[16:19] <knome> GridCube, and trying to direct extra manpower to most useful tests first
[16:19] <GridCube> because i want to know if it doesnt mess things up
[16:19] <GridCube> if thats what youre asking
[16:19] <knome> mmh. what about wubi?
[16:19] <knome> (still asking the same question :P)
[16:20] <GridCube> can't do wubi tests
[16:20] <knome> do we have anybody to even do that?
[16:20] <GridCube> no idea
[16:20] <knome> have you seen any wubi test for xubuntu been done ever?
[16:20] <knome> skaet, you there?
[16:20] <GridCube> not that i know off, but a friend of mine installed 11.10 with wubi a few weeks ago
[16:20] <knome> yeah, i see
[16:20] <GridCube> no problems on her end
[16:47] <ochosi> knome: just to be sure, you'll take care of plymouth?
[16:47] <knome> ochosi, i will
[16:47] <ochosi> knome: ok good, then i can remove that from my list
[16:47] <knome> :)
[16:47]  * knome just ate pasta with naga jolokia, again :)
[16:47] <ochosi> greybird's gtk3 is finally bug-free again in precise
[16:47] <knome> love it
[16:47] <ochosi> no clue what naga jolokia is
[16:48] <knome> chili
[16:48] <ochosi> but i gotta vacuum the living room now
[16:48] <knome> 2x hotter than habanero
[16:48] <ochosi> mm :)
[16:48] <GridCube> ochosi, question, its possible to make greybird borders at least 2px, 1px its just not working for so many people
[16:48] <knome> GridCube, that's why there's the resize-grip :)
[16:48] <knome> and we should really promote shortcuts like alt+right-click-drag
[16:49] <GridCube> ooooo
[16:49] <GridCube> i've never heard of that one
[16:49] <knome> hahah, yeah
[16:49] <GridCube> D:
[16:49] <knome> that's why we should promote
[16:49] <GridCube> THATS AWESOME
[16:49] <knome> yup, no worry of 1px border...
[16:51] <ochosi> GridCube: usually telling the people about the shortcut is even better than thicker window-borders
[16:52] <ochosi> but yeah, i know, some people have also been moaning about it on the forums
[16:52] <knome> :)
[16:52] <ochosi> personally i think it's ok that you can resize xfwm easily in the top corners
[16:52] <GridCube> this is something that should go to a faq
[16:53] <ochosi> yup
[16:53] <ochosi> something like the shortcuts-overlay in unity could also be nice for xubuntu
[16:53] <knome> GridCube, let's say we're planning a whole article on it and the other shortcuts :P
[16:53] <GridCube> good
[17:33] <Marcin_> hi
[18:29] <pleia2> ochosi: did you get my email re: artwork page to review?
[19:32] <astraljava> knome: others: I created an initial version of -live. You can find it @ https://code.launchpad.net/~astraljava/+junk/xubuntu-live, because I'm not a part of ~xubuntu-dev.
[19:33] <astraljava> Note that this is just a rename of everything Ubuntu Studio so far, so changes will happen largely, still.
[19:33] <astraljava> But check it out, point out bugs etc.
[19:34] <astraljava> And whenever you feel like it, create a project under your team, and merge my branch to that.
[19:48] <knome> astraljava, mmh, need to look at that. i was thinking that maybe we want to postpone until P+1
[19:48] <knome> astraljava, what do you think?
[19:48] <knome> astraljava, i mean, rather wait now, and push it as soon as possible in the Q cycle, then allow people to test it and see if there are problems
[19:49] <knome> astraljava, and, now you are a member of xubuntu-team
[20:13] <astraljava> knome: I don't really have an opinion. Whatever you want to do about it.
[20:13] <astraljava> knome: Ok, thanks. I can register the project later, and register the branch for that project, then.
[20:14] <astraljava> I'll be sleeping now, gotta wake up at 5:30 tomorrow.
[21:25] <ScottL> can someone help me with some bash magic?
[21:26] <ScottL> i want to install a default settings file for JACK for new installs, but if the file exists (i.e. the use is installing ubuntustudio-default-settings and already has settings) i don't want it to install
[21:26] <GridCube> ScottL, :P wouldnt #bash be like the best place to ask?, just sayan
[21:29] <chelz> sounds like a packaging thing
[21:29] <micahg> ScottL: you don't need bash magic, but a postinst that installs it on install only
[22:31] <ScottL> micahg, correct, that's what i really meant, sorry for the confusion
[22:47] <ScottL> micahg, would this be a good example to use?  http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/precise/xubuntu-default-settings/precise/view/head:/debian/xubuntu-default-settings.postinst