[05:43] <pitti> Good morning
[07:36] <nigelb> Morning pitti!
[10:02] <mvo> if someone could check/accept the release-upgrader-apt to lucid-proposed I will make the auto-upgrade-tester run against that to check that #927993 is really fixed with it. there should be no regression potential as by default we use the release-upgrader-apt in lucid-updates
[10:42] <infinity> mvo: I sure wish apt's build system could make the diffs between source versions even MORE unreadable. ;)
[10:42] <infinity> mvo: Looks good, though.  Accepting.
[10:47] <infinity> mvo: FTBFS.  You broke translations.
[10:51]  * infinity fixes.
[11:00] <infinity> mvo: Unless you're already fixing it, I'll fix your apt upload for you.
[12:03] <mvo> infinity: I haven't fixed it yet, sorry, was at lunch, I can do it (its trivial) but will be equally happy if you do it :)
[12:30] <mvo> infinity: I fixed it and re-uploaded, sorry for the trouble
[12:49] <infinity> mvo: Accepted.
[12:49] <mvo> ta!
[12:58] <mvo> infinity: yay! i386 build - now in binary NEW, I wasn't aware that proposed needs to go through both NEWs, I learn something new every day :)
[13:01] <cjwatson> -proposed isn't special regarding NEW
[13:09] <infinity> Although, it seems like a bug that -proposed doesn't check -updates for NEW status.
[13:10] <infinity> (I had to NEW the source too for the same reason, despite it already existing in updates)
[13:10] <mvo> hm, so https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/release-upgrader-apt/0.8.16~exp12ubuntu1~upgrader3/+build/3260800 tells me that there are a a bunch of binaries in -proposed that need NEW)
[13:10] <infinity> I assume it's only comparing to the release pocket.
[13:10] <mvo> aha, that makes sense
[13:10] <infinity> mvo: Yeah, they'll get processes when all the builds are done.
[13:10] <infinity> processed too.
[13:11] <infinity> Err, crap, and I realised I NEWed it to universe, not main.  Will fix when I accept the binaries.
[13:16] <cjwatson> it's based on whatever LP considers the ancestry of the pocket to be
[13:16] <cjwatson> I kind of maybe agree that -proposed ought to include -updates in its ancestry.  I think.
[13:16] <infinity> You'd think.
[13:17] <infinity> It gets this right WRT which pockets are represented in sources.list, you'd think those same inheritance rules would only exist in one place (though obviously not).
[13:18] <infinity> ie: release < security < updates < proposed
[13:21] <cjwatson> Anyone have an opinion on whether bug 920545 needs a freeze exception?
[13:21] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 920545 in ntfs-3g "[update request] NTFS-3G, new STABLE Version 2012.1.15 [Precise]" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/920545
[13:21] <cjwatson> We've tended to keep ntfs-3g pretty well up to date in the past.
[13:22] <infinity> I believe the argument in the past was always "ntfs drivers kinda suck, so any bugs fixed are a win".
[13:22] <infinity> I suspect that's still true.
[13:22] <cjwatson> There are some new features, but they mostly seem to be opt-in kind of things.
[13:23] <infinity> I see at least two fixes in there that fix real (visible to me) bugs.
[13:23] <cjwatson> The library has got itself multiarched, but AFAICT it's only really usable by the ntfs-3g package itself seeing as it's no longer a separate sonamed binary package.
[13:23] <infinity> So, I'd wave it through on the "can't be worse than it is" basis.
[13:23] <cjwatson> So I can't see how that would break anything.
[13:24] <Daviey> cjwatson: TBH, your opinion carries this.. it's only you that ever touches it.. so i guess you understand the issues more than the rest of us :)
[13:24] <cjwatson> infinity: which, out of interest?
[13:24] <infinity>     ntfs-3g: fixed endless recursion when MFT extents are described by themselves
[13:24] <infinity>     ntfs-3g: fixed truncation of DOS file names (12 ntfschars, not 12 utf8 chars)
[13:24] <infinity> Those two.
[13:24] <cjwatson> Daviey: with a clothes peg firmly on my nose, I should add
[13:24] <Daviey> heh
[13:24] <infinity> I've run into the former, and it's nasty.  And the latter is just cosmetically ugly.
[13:25] <Daviey> infinity: You sound like quite an ntfs user :)
[13:25] <infinity> I used to run NT on several machines.  I'm reformed.
[13:27] <Daviey> likely story..
[13:27] <infinity> I wonder if anyone's working on a decent Linux driver for the new Win8 filesystem, or if we have to go through another ten years of reverse engineering pain.
[13:27] <cjwatson> right, thanks all.  uploaded the merge.
[13:39] <infinity> mvo: Component fixed and binaries accepted to main, should publish in the :03 run.
[13:41] <mvo> awsome, thanks! I prepare the auto-upgrade-tester to use it instead of the -updates version
[14:45] <pitti> huh, why did ntfsprogs suddenly go to universe..
[14:45]  * pitti promotes it back to main
[14:46] <cjwatson> probably because ntfs-3g turned it into a transitional package
[14:52] <pitti> ah, so udisks' recommends need updating
[14:56] <davmor2> cjwatson: do you happen to have a system you can try a d-i install on that has a wireless card in it?  if I go on wlan0 as my main network interface, I get q1. as If you would like to use any available network, leave this field blank,  I do,  It does a search finds nothing,  q2to skip wireless config and continue leave this field blank I do again and then it goes on to ask me what network I want to use wep/ope
[14:56] <davmor2> n or wpa which to me isn't skipping
[14:57] <cjwatson> davmor2: not without losing my current working state
[14:57] <cjwatson> do an install with DEBCONF_DEBUG=developer in the boot parameters and extract syslog
[14:57] <cjwatson> making sure to go through that same UI flow
[14:58] <davmor2> cjwatson: I can on wednesday right now I need to get a system up and running for tomorrow I managed to kill my desktop magically
[15:04] <stgraber> davmor2: I should be able to test this fairly easily, will try to do later this morning
[15:05] <davmor2> stgraber: ah cool if you can't give me a ping I can do it on wednesday as I say
[15:06] <davmor2> stgraber: effectivly you leave the wifi questions blank both times ps the network I have is a wpa, there are no open or wep ones near by
[15:21] <infinity> pitti: Surely, ntfsprogs wants to stay in main until post-LTS?
[15:34] <nessita> ScottK: hi there! just saw you question in bug #945061 and since we're in a rush to have this landed today (and release to Ubuntu tomorrow, so strings are available ASAP), I'm letting you know that yes, we wrote the doc and translators lists (links to the email archive in the bug description)
[15:34] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 945061 in ubuntu-sso-client "[UIFe] Qt UI: the "Login" and "Forgotten Password" pages don't have titles and subtitles" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/945061
[15:34] <ScottK> nessita: Please say so in the bug.
[15:35] <nessita> ScottK: sure, thanks
[15:35] <nessita> done
[15:37] <ScottK> nessita: Approved.  Also 944982.
[15:37] <ScottK> nessita: Please get them uploaded quickly so the string changes will land soone.
[15:37] <ScottK> soon....
[15:37] <nessita> ScottK: sure I will, thanks a lot :-)
[15:37] <stgraber> any archive admin planning on going through the pending package removals soon? bug 931809 is causing some confusion at the moment because we have both the lttng 1 and lttng 2 stacks in the archive
[15:37] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 931809 in ust "Please remove the old LTTng packages from the Ubuntu archive" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/931809
[15:38]  * ScottK wishes he had powerz for removals.
[15:53] <pitti> infinity: yes, that too; but someone moved it to universe, and it showed up on c-m
[15:53] <infinity> pitti: Yeah, weird that it moved at all.
[15:55] <cjwatson> possibly a side-effect of changing source package, though still odd
[16:01] <infinity> Oh, not odd if it was removed and then NEWed.
[16:02] <infinity> But very odd (and potentially buggy) if it changed source packages and soyuz just decided to demote it willy-nilly.
[16:17] <ara> skaet, ping
[16:37] <skaet> hiya ara,  pong but otp...
[16:37] <stgraber> davmor2: ok, reproduce the bugs (first one is that it doesn't show any wireless, second one is that it doesn't skip with the essid field being empty)
[16:38] <stgraber> *reproduced
[16:39] <davmor2> stgraber: it's nice to know it's not just me for a change :)
[16:39] <davmor2> cjwatson: ^
[16:52] <cjwatson> stgraber: do you have a DEBCONF_DEBUG=developer log?
[16:52] <cjwatson> davmor2: bear in mind I just got back off leave and this isn't top of my list :-)
[16:53] <stgraber> cjwatson: yes, just need to get it off the test machine ;)
[16:53] <stgraber> cjwatson: I found the problem with the scanning though (at least I think)
[16:53] <cjwatson> ok
[16:53] <stgraber> netcfg brings the interface up/down every second during the scan instead of brining it up before the loop and bringing it down afterwards
[16:53] <davmor2> cjwatson: yeap noted
[16:54] <stgraber> so if the card takes > 1s to be ready to scan (as most cards seem to), then you won't get anything
[17:14] <cyphermox> davmor2: I was planning on checking out a d-i install with wireless very soon, I could get this done today if it helps. just let me know exactly what you're looking for, since i'm more trying to reproduce leftover configs from d-i that shouldn't be there after install (otherwise NM doesn't grab the wifi device)
[17:15] <cyphermox> nm, I didn't see some of the backlog
[18:04] <stgraber> can someone from the release have a quick look at bug 946861? it's a minor UI change in epoptes (Edubuntu only) and I confirmed it's not affecting any existing screenshot or documentation
[18:04] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 946861 in epoptes "[UIFe] show real name menu entry" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/946861
[19:14] <ScottK> stgraber: Go for it.
[19:15] <ScottK> Feel free to copy/paste that in the bug.
[19:15] <stgraber> ScottK: thanks