| gordonjcp | autotools are terrible though | 00:03 |
|---|---|---|
| gordonjcp | layer upon layer of hideous misfeature | 00:03 |
| ubuntuuk-planet | [Jono Bacon] Ubuntu Accomplishments Updates - http://www.jonobacon.org/2012/03/05/ubuntu-accomplishments-updates/ | 06:18 |
| knightwise | morning everyone | 07:42 |
| AlanBell | TheOpenSourcerer: Happy Birthday! | 07:46 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Thank you AlanBell | 07:46 |
| AlanBell | I would sing happy birthday, but there is a problem with that http://unhappybirthday.com/ | 07:57 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | lol | 07:58 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | AlanBell: You have a cluster called the "Train Wreck" named after you: http://arstechnica.com/science/news/2012/03/galactic-pile-up-leaves-behind-mysterious-dark-matter-core.ars | 08:09 |
| DJones | Morning all | 08:23 |
| MooDoo | morning all | 08:28 |
| selinuxium | Morning all o/ | 08:40 |
| diplo | Morning all | 08:52 |
| popey | morning all | 09:02 |
| MooDoo | morning popey | 09:03 |
| bigcalm | Good morning peeps :) | 09:03 |
| selinuxium | just realised how long it must of been since I last logged into IRC! | 09:05 |
| selinuxium | I have updated to precise.. | 09:06 |
| czajkowski | aloha | 09:06 |
| selinuxium | hi czajkowski! how is you? | 09:07 |
| czajkowski | selinuxium: oi oi :) good thnanks | 09:07 |
| selinuxium | czajkowski, Nearly let the French win yesterday... Bet you where as fun to watch as the game! | 09:10 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Morning all. | 09:10 |
| czajkowski | selinuxium: so close :/ gave away the ball too many times | 09:11 |
| selinuxium | Morning TheOpenSourcerer | 09:11 |
| bigcalm | Happy birthday, TheOpenSourcerer | 09:12 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Thanks bigcalm | 09:12 |
| MooDoo | no one sing the song though, it's copyright infringement ;) | 09:13 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Ooops - Major fail on Github: http://chrisacky.posterous.com/github-you-have-let-us-all-down | 09:13 |
| oimon | why would anyone sing happy birthday to someone who isn't friends/relatives? | 09:16 |
| bigcalm | We're all friends in here | 09:16 |
| czajkowski | oimon: yup lots of times in restaurnants | 09:16 |
| oimon | as the irish theme pubs say, there are no strangers but just friends we haven't met yet.. | 09:17 |
| oimon | although if they took the cead mile failte literally, you would be there all night getting welcomes before having a drink | 09:19 |
| oimon | my machine is running like a dog...and chromium wanted 1Gb RAM to have a facebook tab open: guess where i closed the fb tab: http://ubuntuone.com/54DdsAontZK4uQj5thnESe | 09:35 |
| JamesTait | Happy Monday, folks! :D | 09:48 |
| dwatkins | I walked into a pub in Ireland once carrying a guitar, and was therefore expected to play it. I doubt them implement that particular rule in those theme pubs, oimon. | 09:48 |
| gordonjcp | dwatkins: it's the same in Scotland | 09:49 |
| gordonjcp | if you take it out of its case, you can't put it back without playing a tune | 09:49 |
| dwatkins | gordonjcp: I wasn't aware of that, thanks for the warning (just moved to Edinbrugh) | 09:50 |
| gordonjcp | dwatkins: ah cool, where in Edinburgh? | 09:50 |
| dwatkins | Tollcross, the briht centre of the universe ;) | 09:52 |
| gordonjcp | oh aye | 09:53 |
| dwatkins | are you also in Edinburgh, gordonjcp? | 09:53 |
| gordonjcp | no, I work in Glasgow but I live just outside | 09:54 |
| diplo | Was using a gb of swap as well oimon ! | 09:54 |
| gordonjcp | the edlug bunch are a bit weird | 09:54 |
| diplo | Was being hammered :/ | 09:54 |
| dwatkins | I've not met any of them yet, gordonjcp - I do know some retro gaming fans live here, and will be meeting up with them soon | 09:54 |
| diplo | Anyone run Ubuntu as there web host ? | 09:55 |
| diplo | I've done so for many years but only ever locally :) | 09:55 |
| MooDoo | diplo: debian here so kinda similar | 09:55 |
| diplo | Want to make sure I'm secure and set up correctly | 09:55 |
| dwatkins | diplo: yeah, but only locally | 09:55 |
| gordonjcp | they're not so bad now but they used to be a bit Christian Vegan Gender-Dysmorphic Differently-Abled Otherkin Group | 09:56 |
| dwatkins | diplo: one thing I would strongly reccomend: denyhosts | 09:56 |
| diplo | I can't get permissions correct using Nginx and permissions | 09:56 |
| diplo | Installed Fail2ban already | 09:56 |
| gordonjcp | diplo: I'm using Debian at the moment but I'm considering switching to Ubuntu Server | 09:56 |
| diplo | Think denyhosts is pulled in with it | 09:56 |
| dwatkins | diplo: ah good, it's definitely worth having in these days of wardialling | 09:56 |
| diplo | I've used ubuntu server on 20+ boxes over the last few years, but never worrying about hosting on the web :) | 09:57 |
| MooDoo | dwatkins: my deny.hosts file is getting huge thanks to deny hosts :D | 09:57 |
| popey | alan@bishop:~$ wc -l /etc/hosts.deny | 09:57 |
| popey | 5599 /etc/hosts.deny | 09:57 |
| dwatkins | MooDoo: sadly I'm not surprised with all those script kiddies out there. It seems we had one on here the other day asking how to nmap the entire planet *rolls eyes* | 09:57 |
| diplo | So my web stuff is in /srv/www/html/<domain>/ | 09:57 |
| diplo | Nginx uses www-data | 09:58 |
| MooDoo | not at many as popey still - 992 /etc/hosts.deny | 09:58 |
| diplo | How would you set permissions | 09:58 |
| gordonjcp | fail2ban > denyhosts | 09:58 |
| gordonjcp | wait, is it denyhosts? | 09:58 |
| diplo | wc -l /etc/hosts.deny | 09:58 |
| diplo | 19 /etc/hosts.deny | 09:58 |
| diplo | lol, only been up 1 1/2 days with nothing set on it | 09:58 |
| diplo | :P | 09:58 |
| diplo | ah, that's the comments :D | 09:59 |
| gordonjcp | pretty sure Arch ditched denyhosts in the stock install | 09:59 |
| popey | mine's been up 4 years | 09:59 |
| dwatkins | diplo: I've installed Windows XP and connected the machine to the internet to install a servicepack back when I was much more naive about security and had it infectied with a virus in less time than it took to browse to the update page | 10:00 |
| popey | so over 1000 a year, 3 a day | 10:00 |
| MooDoo | dwatkins: what had you been clicking on? just installing a service pack wouldn't infect a machine | 10:01 |
| gordonjcp | MooDoo: nothing, most likely | 10:01 |
| dwatkins | MooDoo: no, connecting it to the internet without a firewall resulted in it being infected in minutes | 10:01 |
| MooDoo | i don't believe you :D :p [but if you insist :)] | 10:02 |
| gordonjcp | MooDoo: <shrug> | 10:02 |
| gordonjcp | MooDoo: ever heard of "port scanning"? | 10:02 |
| MooDoo | yeah i suppose | 10:03 |
| diplo | Defo happens MooDoo , when that virus that i can't remember name of spread the world | 10:03 |
| diplo | Looking for open ports | 10:03 |
| dwatkins | MooDoo: 'There is now a 50% chance of being infected by an internet worm in just 12 minutes of being online using an unprotected, unpatched Windows PC.' - http://www.sophos.com/en-us/press-office/press-releases/2005/07/pr_uk_midyearroundup2005.aspx | 10:03 |
| diplo | Took down our company in minutes | 10:03 |
| gordonjcp | diplo: Code Red | 10:03 |
| diplo | nope, began with an S maybe | 10:03 |
| diplo | Been to man years | 10:03 |
| gordonjcp | I have seen unpatched Windows 2000 boxes be infected on dialup in minutes | 10:03 |
| gordonjcp | Sasser | 10:03 |
| diplo | that's it! | 10:04 |
| popey | MooDoo: its well known that windows machines become compromised within minutes of being online if there is no NAT/firewall | 10:04 |
| diplo | We weren't very security concious in those days | 10:04 |
| diplo | We were after :D | 10:04 |
| * MooDoo shuts up lol | 10:04 | |
| gordonjcp | yup | 10:04 |
| gordonjcp | we had a dialup router in the office I used to work in | 10:04 |
| diplo | I wasn't IT in those days either, was one of the users | 10:04 |
| dwatkins | MooDoo: I couldn't believe it at the time, either - the machine just slowed down without having actually visited any dodgy websites etc. | 10:04 |
| gordonjcp | the boss's son decided that the firewall was "getting in the way" and hooked his PC directly to the modem | 10:04 |
| popey | hehe | 10:04 |
| gordonjcp | Code Red-ed in two minutes | 10:04 |
| dwatkins | oops | 10:05 |
| gord | i like that firefox now things every word i type is misspelt, lots of pretty red squiggles | 10:10 |
| dwatkins | What language are you typing in, gord? | 10:11 |
| gord | english? | 10:11 |
| dwatkins | ah ok, I often write e-mails in French and German, and it sometimes takes my mail client a minute to work this out. | 10:12 |
| gord | yeah no this is just some dictionary bug in firefox or something ;) | 10:12 |
| dwatkins | my nephew was fascinated when we got the old typewriter out, because it didn't underline his words in red when he spelled them incorrectly. | 10:13 |
| dwatkins | I think we should get the BBC Micro out and have him sit there and wait for a game to load from tape. | 10:13 |
| dwatkins | I did replace the shell on my Ubuntu machine with a command to run Beebem, perhaps that's a better way forward - "if you want internet access, write a TCP/IP stack for the 6502 in machine code!" ;) | 10:15 |
| s-fox | Hello. | 10:23 |
| MooDoo | morning s-fox | 10:26 |
| s-fox | Hello MooDoo , how're you? | 10:26 |
| MooDoo | s-fox: i'm ok thanks :D | 10:27 |
| s-fox | Good | 10:27 |
| s-fox | What you up to today then MooDoo ? | 10:30 |
| MooDoo | s-fox: i'm at work at the moment, hopefully doing some poster/flyer work tomorrow | 10:31 |
| dwatkins | mornin s-fox | 10:35 |
| s-fox | Hello dwatkins , how are you today | 10:36 |
| s-fox | ? | 10:36 |
| dwatkins | I'm good thanks, how are you? | 10:36 |
| brobostigon | good morning everyone. | 10:37 |
| MooDoo | morning brobostigon how are you this fine day? | 10:37 |
| brobostigon | MooDoo: not bad, various pains, but not bad, also didnt sleep properly. and you? | 10:37 |
| MooDoo | brobostigon: not bad actually, bit of man flu, but ok lol | 10:39 |
| brobostigon | MooDoo: :) | 10:40 |
| dwatkins | I once said I had flu and was told in no uncertain terms by a friend that if I actually had flu I'd be at death's door :-/ I hope you're all better soon and it's just a bit of a cold, MooDoo | 10:41 |
| gordonjcp | I had the flu and was told that if it really was the flu I'd be at death's door and it was in fact a cold | 10:44 |
| gordonjcp | and then having snottered and sneezed for a couple of days and taken enough sudafed to kill an Israeli fighter pilot, it turned out that I did, in fact, have the flu | 10:44 |
| MooDoo | dwatkins: man flu = little bit of the sniffles but feel like i'm dying ;) | 10:45 |
| dwatkins | ah yes, 'tis a common phrase down our way, MooDoo ;) | 10:47 |
| s-fox | I am good thank you dwatkins , poking around on mod website :) | 10:48 |
| s-fox | Hello brobostigon :) | 10:48 |
| dwatkins | s-fox: I daren't ask what kind of poking you're doing to their website | 10:48 |
| brobostigon | hello s-fox :) | 10:48 |
| s-fox | Trying to find what I am looking for dwatkins ;) | 10:49 |
| dwatkins | isn't their purpose to make stuff difficult to find? ;) | 10:49 |
| MartijnVdS | s-fox: ♫ But [you] still haven't found what you're looking for ? | 10:49 |
| dwatkins | MartijnVdS: and I thought I'd be the only one to think of that song... | 10:49 |
| s-fox | /kick Martinp23 for being musical on a monday morning ;) | 10:49 |
| MartijnVdS | poort Martinp23 | 10:50 |
| MartijnVdS | -t | 10:50 |
| s-fox | oops, wrong marti ;) | 10:50 |
| s-fox | haha | 10:50 |
| MartijnVdS | Wow.. Asus barebone + 4G RAM + (disk I have lying around) + Sempron CPU = cheap | 10:52 |
| MartijnVdS | VERY cheap | 10:52 |
| dwatkins | cheaper than a Raspberry Pi, MartijnVdS? ;) | 10:52 |
| oimon | diplo, yeah, i swapped off and swapped on again | 10:53 |
| MartijnVdS | dwatkins: no, but available immediately (replacement Granbuntu machine -- the current one is suffering from exploded caps) | 10:53 |
| oimon | now compiz is eating all my cpu again | 10:53 |
| MartijnVdS | oimon: notabug, wontfix :P | 10:53 |
| oimon | wonder whether 12.04 beta is stable enough to upgrade my work pc to | 10:53 |
| dwatkins | I'd be interested to see if I could fix a machine with exploded caps, but I suspect that it would be tricky (see iMac for reference) and that other components would probably end up being damaged as a result of the capacitor plague. | 10:54 |
| gord | unless you are interested in it failing and reporting bugs, i don't recommend upgrading to betas ;) | 10:54 |
| MartijnVdS | dwatkins: I've repaired an Abit board once, long ago. | 10:54 |
| MartijnVdS | dwatkins: but I'm not trying again :) | 10:54 |
| oimon | the only choice is to go back to 10.04 | 10:54 |
| dwatkins | I used to work with someone [supporting SLES and RH] who said all the time that Linux will remain in beta forever. | 10:54 |
| oimon | 11.10 too sucky in terms of resources on a core2 duo | 10:55 |
| MartijnVdS | dwatkins: the current machine is 11 years old (but runs Unity2D just fine) | 10:55 |
| diplo | oimon, I was debating the two same things, 10.04 or 12 getting kinda unbearable now | 10:55 |
| dwatkins | MartijnVdS: nice :) | 10:55 |
| diplo | +1 | 10:55 |
| MartijnVdS | dwatkins: it was top of the line back then ;) | 10:55 |
| dwatkins | I'm hoping my laptop will last as long, MartijnVdS. | 10:55 |
| MartijnVdS | dwatkins: I always hope my hardware lasts that long | 10:55 |
| MartijnVdS | It seldom does though :( | 10:56 |
| MartijnVdS | though I have a bunch of old WRT54GLs that come close. | 10:56 |
| MartijnVdS | they're from '03-'04 | 10:56 |
| MartijnVdS | I just re-flashed them with bleeding-edge OpenWRT, and they're happy again :) | 10:56 |
| dwatkins | MartijnVdS: I'm empted to tomato one of those | 10:56 |
| dwatkins | *tempted | 10:56 |
| MartijnVdS | I considered Tomato, but I already knew OpenWRT (I put WhiteRussian on them back in the day) | 10:57 |
| dwatkins | I suspect I'd need to use an ADSL router whatever I did, as I'm with BT at the moment. | 10:59 |
| dwatkins | I could double-NAT, but that's just messy | 10:59 |
| MartijnVdS | double NAT is eww | 10:59 |
| MartijnVdS | Time for V6 everywhere | 10:59 |
| oimon | http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=98869 | 11:00 |
| oimon | this might be my problem | 11:00 |
| jpds | MartijnVdS: It already is, with link-local. | 11:00 |
| dwatkins | I should look into implementing IPv6 | 11:01 |
| oimon | and this http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=98200 | 11:02 |
| oimon | i can't be the only one with problems | 11:02 |
| diplo | I have same issues oimon | 11:02 |
| diplo | also youtube kills flashplayer quite often | 11:03 |
| davmor2 | morning all | 11:03 |
| davmor2 | czajkowski: PROD!!!!! | 11:03 |
| dwatkins | oimon: I've had that a couple times, does the Chrome task manager say owt? | 11:03 |
| davmor2 | MooDoo: me owld mukka | 11:03 |
| MooDoo | davmor2: alreeeeeet cheief | 11:03 |
| oimon | dwatkins, not really, maybe i'm not looking on the right tab | 11:03 |
| czajkowski | davmor2: GOOOD DAY TO YOU! | 11:03 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm, gord, mrevell all set for thursday | 11:04 |
| bigcalm | Morning davmor2. I shall be there | 11:04 |
| bigcalm | And Wednesday evening | 11:04 |
| dwatkins | oimon: you have to enable the task manager by showing the hidden window, iirc | 11:05 |
| mrevell | bigcalm, Most certainly. | 11:05 |
| bigcalm | mrevell: coming on Wednesday evening? | 11:05 |
| oimon | dwatkins, ah yes, i'll try that | 11:06 |
| dwatkins | also, shift+esc, although that tends to still require unhiding on OS X: http://support.google.com/chrome/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=95672 | 11:09 |
| * gord books a train ticket five minutes later than he normally takes and gets it for half the price | 11:11 | |
| davmor2 | gord: sounds about right | 11:12 |
| oimon | tried to logout of twitter." 403 Forbidden: The server understood the request, but is refusing to fulfill it." | 11:12 |
| gord | oimon, delete the cookies instead? | 11:13 |
| mrevell | bigcalm, Probably not. | 11:16 |
| mrevell | bigcalm, Weds evenings are pretty hard for me, as I have a work call. | 11:16 |
| MartijnVdS | jpds: I have a /48 from my ISP.. but it's the only ISP in the country (at the moment) | 11:16 |
| MartijnVdS | jpds: 2 others will be rolling out "this year" | 11:16 |
| davmor2 | My mom just emailed me this and put a smile on my face so I thought I'd share http://paste.ubuntu.com/869690/ | 11:20 |
| * popey wonders if gord can reproduce bug 947047 | 11:22 | |
| lubotu3 | Launchpad bug 947047 in cheese (Ubuntu) "Effects turn webcam image purple" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/947047 | 11:22 |
| gord | popey, yeah, happens across multiple webcams, been happening for ages | 11:23 |
| gord | popey, changing webcam resolution or closing cheese and opening again usually fixes, but removing the effects will turn you purple again | 11:23 |
| davmor2 | popey: bigcalm can | 11:25 |
| davmor2 | popey: I blame gord though it's bound to be his fault | 11:25 |
| gord | its a shame, cheese is a nice app | 11:25 |
| gord | rather puzzling why we don't ask people to hook up their facebook/google/twitter accounts in the installer/first run, i wonder how many people even realise that facebook instant messaging is built into ubuntu | 11:36 |
| dwatkins | I acknowledge that there are good things about facebook integration, but I tend to avoid it like botchilism ;) | 11:40 |
| gord | this is the good type of facebook integration :) the kind that means i don't need to log into the website and can just use the IM application on my OS :) | 11:41 |
| dwatkins | I see what you mean, I tend to log-in to facebook about once a day, and I use its messaging feature like e-mail, but I guess there are people who chat on there like I use IRC and Jabber :) | 11:42 |
| daubers | Morning | 11:43 |
| davmor2 | gord: there is a slide for it | 11:44 |
| gord | davmor2, instead of having that slide we should have a "hey while your waiting, why not hook up your online accounts?" section that lets people do that ;) | 11:45 |
| gord | then start gwibber/empathy on first start, whack them in the launcher - people will get the idea once they start getting messages/tweets | 11:46 |
| davmor2 | gord: can't do that the app would need to install into a home directory initially, anyway talk to ev, cjwatson and kenvandine about all that | 11:46 |
| gord | can't isn't a good word to use ;) | 11:47 |
| davmor2 | gord: why does can't mean you have to prove me wrong, in which case you could just post the initial draft to ev and ken and let them run with it :P | 11:51 |
| directhex | gord, facebook integration is nontrivial for first-run, because most people log into facebook via email not username, and FB chat only works if you've logged in once via the web via username | 11:51 |
| gord | directhex, empathy has a little thing that lets you do that from within empathy iirc | 11:55 |
| gord | basically a small browser pane, same for anything that requires OAUTH | 11:55 |
| davmor2 | gord: empathy does for chat and logs in via username not email, for gwibber you login via email not username and the web pane appears again for account access | 11:57 |
| directhex | davmor2, any facebook auth box asking for email address will accept username instead | 12:01 |
| AlanBell | HUD updates arrive, it still doesn't like people who can type :( | 13:07 |
| Pendulum | I assume you mean can't type? | 13:07 |
| AlanBell | no, it is fine if you can't type | 13:07 |
| Pendulum | ah | 13:07 |
| AlanBell | if you spell words correctly it takes them away from you | 13:08 |
| daubers | directhex: Is there a less costly alternative of mono for android than monodroid? | 13:09 |
| AlanBell | Bug #937020 but it has probably been reported elsewhere too | 13:10 |
| lubotu3 | Launchpad bug 937020 in indicator-appmenu (Ubuntu) "hud searches should strip() the search string" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/937020 | 13:10 |
| AlanBell | and still silent to orca :( | 13:13 |
| gord | guys, there is unicode for a happy cat with love heart eyes 😻 - i find this confusing | 13:36 |
| directhex | gord, japanese people do a LOT of smileys, and the japanese mobile phone manufacturers wanted to standardize their smileys across brands - so they went to the Unicode consortium | 13:41 |
| directhex | daubers, i think koushik dutta did his own port, but much of monodroid's sugar is in the integration of tools, e.g. the linker. | 13:42 |
| daubers | directhex: Okies. Might put that to one side for now then. Thanks :) | 13:43 |
| popey | AlanBell: how do I stop orca appearing on my screensaver ? | 13:50 |
| popey | I once started orca now it always appears | 13:51 |
| ali1234 | you mean the osk right | 13:51 |
| ali1234 | not orca | 13:51 |
| popey | ya | 13:51 |
| popey | oh, yes | 13:51 |
| ali1234 | i have the same thing | 13:51 |
| ali1234 | dunno how to fix it | 13:51 |
| ali1234 | don't see a problem really :) | 13:51 |
| popey | it's fugly | 13:51 |
| popey | ☺ | 13:51 |
| ali1234 | well except fo that | 13:51 |
| gord | you have a screensaver? | 13:52 |
| ali1234 | onboard, and the unlock screen, not actually the screensaver | 13:52 |
| ali1234 | popey: http://askubuntu.com/questions/84050/how-do-i-disable-the-on-screen-keyboard-in-the-unlock-screen | 13:53 |
| popey | excellent, thanks! | 13:53 |
| * popey rates that answer up | 13:54 | |
| ali1234 | it has nicer themes btw :) | 13:54 |
| popey | lies | 13:54 |
| ali1234 | blackboard and droid are ok | 13:54 |
| ali1234 | the model m theme is nicer than i expected it to be | 13:54 |
| ali1234 | it doesn't look anything like a model m | 13:54 |
| AlanBell | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:ModelM.jpg it was modeled on that | 14:07 |
| AlanBell | I picked colours off that photo, but someone else changed them a bit | 14:07 |
| ali1234 | yeah colours are right i suppos | 14:08 |
| popey | am i the only one for whom youtube full screen doesn't suppress lock screen? | 14:12 |
| ali1234 | i set timeout to 30 minutes | 14:12 |
| AlanBell | I found out how to make youtube actually go full screen yesterday | 14:12 |
| ali1234 | possibly 1 hour | 14:12 |
| AlanBell | you pop out the viewer, then F11 to make that go full screen | 14:13 |
| AlanBell | then the actual image is full screen rather than having huge black borders all the way round | 14:13 |
| ali1234 | wrong | 14:13 |
| ali1234 | you still have firefox chrome | 14:13 |
| AlanBell | no, that goes away | 14:13 |
| AlanBell | I get moving video all the way to every edge | 14:14 |
| ali1234 | how do you pop out the player? | 14:14 |
| popey | youtube goes full screen for me by just clikcing the "full screen" icon in the video | 14:14 |
| AlanBell | right click on it | 14:14 |
| ali1234 | ah that's new... nice | 14:14 |
| AlanBell | really popey? I will try to do a screenshot later of what I see, it is rubbish | 14:15 |
| ali1234 | are you using two monitors? | 14:15 |
| popey | no | 14:15 |
| popey | i have no borders or anything | 14:15 |
| ali1234 | not you popey :) | 14:16 |
| AlanBell | I am using two monitors | 14:16 |
| ali1234 | yeah | 14:16 |
| AlanBell | http://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/Screenshot%20at%202012-03-05%2014:15:51.png | 14:16 |
| ali1234 | it's a known bug in flash which adobe refuses to fix | 14:16 |
| AlanBell | that is what I have always had | 14:16 |
| ali1234 | i made a fix for that last year: http://al.robotfuzz.com/content/workaround-fullscreen-flash-linux-multiheaded-desktops | 14:16 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | popey: can I dm you for a mo? | 14:17 |
| popey | anytime | 14:17 |
| ali1234 | pop out works better than flash's own fullscreen mode anyway | 14:18 |
| ali1234 | it doesn't close if you click in another window for one thing | 14:18 |
| ali1234 | and it works properly on both monitors | 14:18 |
| AlanBell | I had no idea that youtube fullscreen worked for anyone ever! | 14:18 |
| ali1234 | yeah your problem is a problem with how flash calculates what "fullscreen" means | 14:19 |
| ali1234 | i explained it on that page, exactly what causes the bug | 14:19 |
| AlanBell | I read your article, that makes sense now | 14:19 |
| ali1234 | it's been reported to adobe multiple times, they just lose it "can't reproduce" | 14:19 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | I had one of these: https://twitter.com/#!/O2/status/176673345318830080/photo/1 | 14:20 |
| ali1234 | i've never seen that pop out option before, is it new? or youtube only? | 14:20 |
| popey | TheOpenSourcerer: i had one too ☺ | 14:21 |
| * daubers had a 48k+ | 14:21 | |
| daubers | this one http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:ZX_Spectrum%2B.jpg | 14:21 |
| popey | that link no longer works! | 14:21 |
| popey | stupid twitter | 14:21 |
| popey | also, it wasn't 21 years ago. | 14:22 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | I had a Spectrum too. | 14:22 |
| popey | it was 30 years | 14:22 |
| MartijnVdS | 0x21? | 14:22 |
| popey | http://popey.com/blog/2011/03/05/thirty-years-on/ | 14:22 |
| MartijnVdS | hex 21 = 33, close enough ;) | 14:23 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | This was my first machine: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compukit_UK101 | 14:23 |
| gordonjcp | yay | 14:24 |
| gordonjcp | yukky 101 | 14:24 |
| popey | Did you see Liam put his UK101 on ebay recently? | 14:24 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Gosh. | 14:24 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | No | 14:24 |
| popey | http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/270918417815 | 14:25 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Wow that kept its value :-) | 14:25 |
| * popey ponders building a vt101 from parts | 14:26 | |
| popey | http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Vintage-DEC-Digital-VT101-AB-Main-Board-Working-/250940797633?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a6d3cb2c1 | 14:26 |
| popey | ☺ | 14:26 |
| MartijnVdS | popey: you still want one then? | 14:27 |
| popey | yes | 14:27 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | What will you do with a VT100 | 14:27 |
| gordonjcp | oh, Liam Proven, I used to know him from the classiccmp mailing list | 14:27 |
| MartijnVdS | TheOpenSourcerer: play nethack of course | 14:28 |
| MartijnVdS | or Zork | 14:28 |
| popey | i knew him from Cix back in uhm.. 1995 I think | 14:28 |
| gordonjcp | popey: cool, does he live down about where you are? | 14:37 |
| popey | gordonjcp: he's in London iirc | 14:42 |
| gordonjcp | popey: have you ever encountered Tony Duell on any of the mailing lists? | 14:44 |
| popey | no | 14:50 |
| AlanBell | anyone want an high level important job for no money? http://bitly.com/xN81Zv | 16:00 |
| MartijnVdS | lolgovernment | 16:01 |
| MartijnVdS | AlanBell: "Employment terms: not fair and open" | 16:02 |
| DJones | Heh, I like that job provides clarity on compliance requirements against a suite of mandatory open standards, but employment terms aren't fair & open | 16:03 |
| DJones | On the plus side, you don't need a CRB check for it | 16:03 |
| popey | Employment Terms: Post Type Temporary (Not fair and open) | 16:08 |
| AlanBell | it is one of those things that just will get stuffed with microsoft partners :( | 16:09 |
| AlanBell | it would be good for someone from Canonical to apply | 16:09 |
| AlanBell | and the form is a .doc | 16:11 |
| davmor2 | czajkowski: so you gonna come over to millbank at somepoint tomorrow so I can pick on you? | 16:56 |
| czajkowski | davmor2: might do | 16:58 |
| czajkowski | will I get any work done :) | 16:58 |
| davmor2 | czajkowski: I'm going to be in and out of meeting most of the day so I should think so | 16:58 |
| czajkowski | okie dokie | 16:59 |
| czajkowski | davmor2: will be in so tomrrow | 17:13 |
| davmor2 | czajkowski: do you want to try that line again in English ;) | 17:13 |
| bigcalm | mrevell: I think you were right, the DVDs will be with you on Thursday | 17:14 |
| mrevell | bigcalm, Oh lovely. Thanks! | 17:14 |
| czajkowski | davmor2: will be in millbank tomorrow | 17:15 |
| davmor2 | czajkowski: ah okay :) | 17:16 |
| bigcalm | davmor2: so far, only 10 of us will be at the LUG meeting. Does anybody turn up without replying to the list request? | 17:24 |
| * bigcalm looks forward to a good steak and chips. Oh, and the company is ok ;) | 17:25 | |
| davmor2 | bigcalm: yeap and then there are those at work with no personal email so will be added at a latter date | 17:25 |
| bigcalm | You mean there are people who don't have their email thrust in their face 24/7? | 17:26 |
| bigcalm | I've tried disabling work emails from syncing to my phone out of office hours, but I'd always forget to re-enable it the next day | 17:27 |
| * bigcalm nips out to mow the lawn \o/ | 17:28 | |
| gord | mowing the lawn? its nearly night time | 17:28 |
| AlanBell | that is probably an euphamism for something | 17:29 |
| bigcalm | Sun is still up here, getting it done while I can | 17:29 |
| bigcalm | Recycling collection is tomorrow (includes garden waste) | 17:29 |
| bigcalm | AlanBell: ... :P | 17:29 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm: you waste you garden | 17:30 |
| bigcalm | davmor2: I do what? | 17:51 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm: You waste your garden? | 17:54 |
| bigcalm | davmor2: do you want my grass cuttings? | 17:54 |
| * davmor2 has this image of bigcalm wrapping his entire garden up in a green bag and handing it to the bin men in the morning | 17:55 | |
| bigcalm | davmor2: you are deranged, sir | 17:56 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm: You just figured this out? | 17:57 |
| bigcalm | davmor2: yeah, thought you quite down to earth until now :P | 17:57 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm: hahahahaha | 17:58 |
| brobostigon | dirk gently, bbc4, 9pm, :) | 17:58 |
| bigcalm | brobostigon: already set to record :) | 17:58 |
| brobostigon | bigcalm: :) | 17:59 |
| gord | davmor2, you don't have a garden waste bin collection thing round your area? | 18:01 |
| davmor2 | gord: I'm in a 3rd-4th floor maisonette what garden? | 18:02 |
| gord | davmor2, window garden? | 18:03 |
| popey | http://api.ning.com/files/TnyFdD9AJe*K53vpQ6QPEdVaKAlNFaNWPwdKV5ChcmdHRFH8XmtYUX8sGBfLk2mCypoluCHULpMXbH6pV*WgdygWvGa1GP4M/stephenwildish.jpg like that | 18:03 |
| gord | there is a really cool TED talk about some people who design open source window gardens | 18:03 |
| davmor2 | gord: not likely Plus we just have the one bin chute for everything, bah paper,tins and glass we have separate bins down stairs for those | 18:04 |
| bigcalm | popey: that makes me want to make all 4 now | 18:16 |
| bigcalm | Well, maybe not the pasta, I'll just buy that :) | 18:17 |
| bigcalm | 12.04 is out next month, do we know which day? | 18:19 |
| ali1234 | my guess is the last working day? | 18:19 |
| bigcalm | Not quite ready I take it? | 18:19 |
| AlanBell | 26th | 18:22 |
| popey | its always thursday | 18:22 |
| bigcalm | Aha. I wonder if the Samsung Galaxy S3 will be out before then | 18:22 |
| AlanBell | unless it isn't | 18:23 |
| ali1234 | this just plopped into my inbox: http://www.visionmobile.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/infographics/milliondollar/100MillionClub_2011.jpg | 18:23 |
| popey | Go symbian! | 18:27 |
| popey | well, S40 | 18:27 |
| * popey hugs his old 6680 | 18:27 | |
| * TheOpenSourcerer has a house full of curry-type food :-D | 18:39 | |
| * dwatkins has curry preparing itself | 18:48 | |
| davmor2 | TheOpenSourcerer: You mean you have a curry full of household stuff | 18:54 |
| ali1234 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lWAk6tQ9EE | 19:02 |
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| ubuntuuk-planet | [Tony] A Wonderful Woodland Wedding - http://tonywhitmore.co.uk/blog/2012/03/05/a-wonderful-woodland-wedding/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=a-wonderful-woodland-wedding | 19:18 |
| davmor2 | ali1234: you have too much time on your hands | 19:27 |
| ali1234 | what makes you say that? | 19:27 |
| davmor2 | ali1234: finding weird and wonderful youtube clips like that :D | 19:28 |
| ali1234 | i am subbed to that guy, he's genius | 19:29 |
| davmor2 | ali1234: ps funny as hell by the way | 19:29 |
| diplo- | evening all | 19:42 |
| AlanBell | !ping[1~ | 20:06 |
| AlanBell | !ping | 20:06 |
| lubotu3 | another contentless ping... sigh... | 20:06 |
| davmor2 | Im in olde ye London Town tomorrow to annoy czajkowski erm work with the qa sprint to try and unify the tools we use erm annoy czajkowski | 20:08 |
| davmor2 | night all | 20:08 |
| === nothingspecial is now known as angela-android | ||
| === angela-android is now known as nothingspecial | ||
| madpup | can i ask a question? ( not this question ) | 20:35 |
| dwatkins | !ask | 20:35 |
| lubotu3 | Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) See also !patience | 20:35 |
| madpup | opps, sorry. | 20:35 |
| dwatkins | no worries, just saying you don't need to ask madpup :) | 20:35 |
| madpup | Ok, ive got ubuntu 11.10 64bit installed and everything works except sound, the sound glitchs and fades in and out quickly? | 20:36 |
| dwatkins | What kind of sound hardware do you have, madpup? | 20:37 |
| madpup | errr brb lspci | 20:38 |
| madpup | SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA) (rev 40) | 20:39 |
| MartijnVdS | madpup: check /proc/asound/cards | 20:39 |
| OmNomDePlume | madpup: can I ask you a question? | 20:40 |
| madpup | sure | 20:40 |
| madpup | HDA-Intel - HDA ATI SB | 20:40 |
| madpup | HDA-Intel - HDA NVidia | 20:41 |
| MartijnVdS | So.. two sound cards -- one on-board and one on the HDMI output? | 20:41 |
| MartijnVdS | That shouldn't confuse the software, but it might | 20:42 |
| madpup | yep one on the mobo and one on the nvidia 560ti, ive disabled the Nvidia one | 20:42 |
| dwatkins | How did you disable it, out of curiosity, madpup? | 20:43 |
| madpup | went to hardware tab in prefs->sound->hardware profile off | 20:44 |
| madpup | in outputs the 'conecter' drop down boxs flickers between 'analog output' and 'headphone output' it happening and the the same speed and the sound glitches | 20:45 |
| madpup | should i just yank out the front panel audio connection lead off my mobo? | 20:47 |
| madpup | ok im going to yank my front panel cable off my mobo untill i canfix this | 20:49 |
| madpup | thanks all, brb, tosee if this helps | 20:49 |
| madpup | ok that fixed the sound issues, nowto fix the boot errors | 20:52 |
| madpup | thanks for everyones help | 20:52 |
| ali1234 | it's the headphone detection glitch | 21:02 |
| ali1234 | large number of HDA motherboards confuse headphone connector and frontpanel connector | 21:02 |
| ali1234 | so if you have connected the frontpanel output, it thinks headphones are connected and mutes the line out | 21:03 |
| ali1234 | the fix is to run alsamixer and turn on "independent hp" | 21:03 |
| bigcalm | czajkowski: ping | 21:13 |
| czajkowski | bigcalm: fixed | 21:15 |
| bigcalm | czajkowski: :) | 21:15 |
| bigcalm | I'd done a screen shot for you 'n all! | 21:15 |
| brobostigon | gently driving an austim princess. :) lol | 21:15 |
| brobostigon | austin* | 21:16 |
| bigcalm | brobostigon: that sounds like a car from the 70s | 21:18 |
| brobostigon | bigcalm: it is. | 21:18 |
| * gordonjcp had one, until it got stolen | 21:18 | |
| bigcalm | :o | 21:18 |
| bigcalm | Oh, I got confused | 21:18 |
| * bigcalm goes back to sleep | 21:18 | |
| jacobw | sleep is good | 21:21 |
| ali1234 | does anyone remember the name of that browser plugin from years ago | 21:26 |
| zleap | ali1234, what did it do ? | 21:26 |
| ali1234 | where you go to a webpage, and if other people with that plugin are on the same page, you can see their little character walking around on the page | 21:26 |
| ali1234 | and chat with them | 21:26 |
| ali1234 | from the 90s | 21:26 |
| ali1234 | pre dotcom bubble | 21:27 |
| ali1234 | you may have had to download a whole browser to use it in fact | 21:27 |
| ali1234 | it was called something like "web buddies" or something | 21:27 |
| ali1234 | and the characters were like little blue furry gremlin things | 21:28 |
| zleap | not sure, i had a plugin for kids to make a friendly browser with chat etc | 21:28 |
| jacobw | i think so | 21:28 |
| jacobw | i'm remembering the early 2000s though, not the 90s | 21:28 |
| ali1234 | it was completely public so you didn't have to add people | 21:29 |
| ali1234 | could have been early 2000s i guess | 21:29 |
| ali1234 | probably was still going for a few years :) | 21:29 |
| zleap | ali1234, not kidzuie - browser plugin | 21:38 |
| ali1234 | it wasn't aimed at kids | 21:39 |
| zleap | ok | 21:39 |
| ali1234 | rocket on is a similar idea | 21:39 |
| ali1234 | but they only started a couple of years ago | 21:39 |
| ali1234 | this was back when everyone was using netscape | 21:39 |
| zleap | ah | 21:41 |
| zleap | so early / mid 90's | 21:41 |
| zleap | i remember those days | 21:41 |
| ali1234 | mid - late 90s | 21:41 |
| mrevell | bigcalm, Hey, still around? | 22:50 |
| bigcalm | mrevell: for some reason, yes I am :) | 22:50 |
| mrevell | heh | 22:50 |
| * popey tickles mrevell | 22:50 | |
| mrevell | hey popey | 22:50 |
| popey | hullo | 22:50 |
| mrevell | bigcalm, How long did it take you to go from normal phone, through rooting, to having CM all nicely sorted? | 22:51 |
| bigcalm | Not that long. I did it some time ago so don't remember much. I do recall having to follow a howto. And I think things are easier these days | 22:52 |
| bigcalm | Have you started, thinking about it or bricked your phone? | 22:52 |
| bigcalm | Which Desire handset do you have? | 22:53 |
| bigcalm | GSM, CDMA, HD, S? | 22:54 |
| mrevell | bigcalm, Standard ole GSM | 22:54 |
| bigcalm | http://wiki.cyanogenmod.com/wiki/HTC_Desire_%28GSM%29:_Full_Update_Guide | 22:54 |
| mrevell | Oh yes, last time I looked at it doing it appeared I needed Windows. Did you do it from within Ubuntu? | 22:55 |
| bigcalm | I think I had windows back then | 22:56 |
| mrevell | Oh, looks like no need for that. Okay, ta. I won't start it tonight but might give it a bash tomorrow. | 22:56 |
| bigcalm | np | 22:58 |
| ubuntuuk-planet | [Andy Loughran] Project Management - http://zrmt.com/2012/03/05/project-management/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=project-management | 23:18 |
| ubuntuuk-planet | [Andy Loughran] Etape Pennine - http://zrmt.com/2012/03/05/etape-pennine/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=etape-pennine | 23:18 |
| === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away | ||
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