[00:03] <gordonjcp> autotools are terrible though
[00:03] <gordonjcp> layer upon layer of hideous misfeature
[06:18] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jono Bacon] Ubuntu Accomplishments Updates - http://www.jonobacon.org/2012/03/05/ubuntu-accomplishments-updates/
[07:42] <knightwise> morning everyone
[07:46] <AlanBell> TheOpenSourcerer: Happy Birthday!
[07:46] <TheOpenSourcerer> Thank you AlanBell
[07:57] <AlanBell> I would sing happy birthday, but there is a problem with that http://unhappybirthday.com/
[07:58] <TheOpenSourcerer> lol
[08:09] <TheOpenSourcerer> AlanBell: You have a cluster called the "Train Wreck" named after you: http://arstechnica.com/science/news/2012/03/galactic-pile-up-leaves-behind-mysterious-dark-matter-core.ars
[08:23] <DJones> Morning all
[08:28] <MooDoo> morning all
[08:40] <selinuxium> Morning all  o/
[08:52] <diplo> Morning all
[09:02] <popey> morning all
[09:03] <MooDoo> morning popey
[09:03] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[09:05] <selinuxium> just realised how long it must of been since I last logged into IRC!
[09:06] <selinuxium> I have updated to precise..
[09:06] <czajkowski> aloha
[09:07] <selinuxium> hi czajkowski! how is you?
[09:07] <czajkowski> selinuxium: oi oi :) good thnanks
[09:10] <selinuxium> czajkowski, Nearly let the French win yesterday... Bet you where as fun to watch as the game!
[09:10] <TheOpenSourcerer> Morning all.
[09:11] <czajkowski> selinuxium: so close :/ gave away the ball too many times
[09:11] <selinuxium> Morning TheOpenSourcerer
[09:12] <bigcalm> Happy birthday, TheOpenSourcerer
[09:12] <TheOpenSourcerer> Thanks bigcalm
[09:13] <MooDoo> no one sing the song though, it's copyright infringement ;)
[09:13] <TheOpenSourcerer> Ooops - Major fail on Github: http://chrisacky.posterous.com/github-you-have-let-us-all-down
[09:16] <oimon> why would anyone sing happy birthday to someone who isn't friends/relatives?
[09:16] <bigcalm> We're all friends in here
[09:16] <czajkowski> oimon: yup lots of times in restaurnants
[09:17] <oimon> as the irish theme pubs say, there are no strangers but just friends we haven't met yet..
[09:19] <oimon> although if they took the cead mile failte literally, you would be there all night getting welcomes before having a drink
[09:35] <oimon> my machine is running like a dog...and chromium wanted 1Gb RAM to have a facebook tab open: guess where i closed the fb tab: http://ubuntuone.com/54DdsAontZK4uQj5thnESe
[09:48] <JamesTait> Happy Monday, folks! :D
[09:48] <dwatkins> I walked into a pub in Ireland once carrying a guitar, and was therefore expected to play it. I doubt them implement that  particular rule in those theme pubs, oimon.
[09:49] <gordonjcp> dwatkins: it's the same in Scotland
[09:49] <gordonjcp> if you take it out of its case, you can't put it back without playing a tune
[09:50] <dwatkins> gordonjcp: I wasn't aware of that, thanks for the warning (just moved to Edinbrugh)
[09:50] <gordonjcp> dwatkins: ah cool, where in Edinburgh?
[09:52] <dwatkins> Tollcross, the briht centre of the universe ;)
[09:53] <gordonjcp> oh aye
[09:53] <dwatkins> are you also in Edinburgh, gordonjcp?
[09:54] <gordonjcp> no, I work in Glasgow but I live just outside
[09:54] <diplo> Was using a gb of swap as well oimon !
[09:54] <gordonjcp> the edlug bunch are a bit weird
[09:54] <diplo> Was being hammered :/
[09:54] <dwatkins> I've not met any of them yet, gordonjcp - I do know some retro gaming fans live here, and will be meeting up with them soon
[09:55] <diplo> Anyone run Ubuntu as there web host ?
[09:55] <diplo> I've done so for many years but only ever locally :)
[09:55] <MooDoo> diplo: debian here so kinda similar
[09:55] <diplo> Want to make sure I'm secure and set up correctly
[09:55] <dwatkins> diplo: yeah, but only locally
[09:56] <gordonjcp> they're not so bad now but they used to be a bit Christian Vegan Gender-Dysmorphic Differently-Abled Otherkin Group
[09:56] <dwatkins> diplo: one thing I would strongly reccomend: denyhosts
[09:56] <diplo> I can't get permissions correct using Nginx and permissions
[09:56] <diplo> Installed Fail2ban already
[09:56] <gordonjcp> diplo: I'm using Debian at the moment but I'm considering switching to Ubuntu Server
[09:56] <diplo> Think denyhosts is pulled in with it
[09:56] <dwatkins> diplo: ah good, it's definitely worth having in these days of wardialling
[09:57] <diplo> I've used ubuntu server on 20+ boxes over the last few years, but never worrying about hosting on the web :)
[09:57] <MooDoo> dwatkins: my deny.hosts file is getting huge thanks to deny hosts :D
[09:57] <popey> alan@bishop:~$ wc -l /etc/hosts.deny
[09:57] <popey> 5599 /etc/hosts.deny
[09:57] <dwatkins> MooDoo: sadly I'm not surprised with all those script kiddies out there. It seems we had one on here the other day asking how to nmap the entire planet *rolls eyes*
[09:57] <diplo> So my web stuff is in /srv/www/html/<domain>/
[09:58] <diplo> Nginx uses www-data
[09:58] <MooDoo> not at many as popey still - 992 /etc/hosts.deny
[09:58] <diplo> How would you set permissions
[09:58] <gordonjcp> fail2ban > denyhosts
[09:58] <gordonjcp> wait, is it denyhosts?
[09:58] <diplo> wc -l /etc/hosts.deny
[09:58] <diplo> 19 /etc/hosts.deny
[09:58] <diplo> lol, only been up 1 1/2 days with nothing set on it
[09:58] <diplo> :P
[09:59] <diplo> ah, that's the comments :D
[09:59] <gordonjcp> pretty sure Arch ditched denyhosts in the stock install
[09:59] <popey> mine's been up 4 years
[10:00] <dwatkins> diplo: I've installed Windows XP and connected the machine to the internet to install a servicepack back when I was much more naive about security and had it infectied with a virus in less time than it took to browse to the update page
[10:00] <popey> so over 1000 a year, 3 a day
[10:01] <MooDoo> dwatkins: what had you been clicking on?  just installing a service pack wouldn't infect a machine
[10:01] <gordonjcp> MooDoo: nothing, most likely
[10:01] <dwatkins> MooDoo: no, connecting it to the internet without a firewall resulted in it being infected in minutes
[10:02] <MooDoo> i don't believe you :D :p  [but if you insist :)]
[10:02] <gordonjcp> MooDoo: <shrug>
[10:02] <gordonjcp> MooDoo: ever heard of "port scanning"?
[10:03] <MooDoo> yeah i suppose
[10:03] <diplo> Defo happens MooDoo , when that virus that i can't remember name of spread the world
[10:03] <diplo> Looking for open ports
[10:03] <dwatkins> MooDoo: 'There is now a 50% chance of being infected by an internet worm in just 12 minutes of being online using an unprotected, unpatched Windows PC.' - http://www.sophos.com/en-us/press-office/press-releases/2005/07/pr_uk_midyearroundup2005.aspx
[10:03] <diplo> Took down our company in minutes
[10:03] <gordonjcp> diplo: Code Red
[10:03] <diplo> nope, began with an S maybe
[10:03] <diplo> Been to man years
[10:03] <gordonjcp> I have seen unpatched Windows 2000 boxes be infected on dialup in minutes
[10:03] <gordonjcp> Sasser
[10:04] <diplo> that's it!
[10:04] <popey> MooDoo: its well known that windows machines become compromised within minutes of being online if there is no NAT/firewall
[10:04] <diplo> We weren't very security concious in those days
[10:04] <diplo> We were after :D
[10:04]  * MooDoo shuts up lol
[10:04] <gordonjcp> yup
[10:04] <gordonjcp> we had a dialup router in the office I used to work in
[10:04] <diplo> I wasn't IT in those days either, was one of the users
[10:04] <dwatkins> MooDoo: I couldn't believe it at the time, either - the machine just slowed down without having actually visited any dodgy websites etc.
[10:04] <gordonjcp> the boss's son decided that the firewall was "getting in the way" and hooked his PC directly to the modem
[10:04] <popey> hehe
[10:04] <gordonjcp> Code Red-ed in two minutes
[10:05] <dwatkins> oops
[10:10] <gord> i like that firefox now things every word i type is misspelt, lots of pretty red squiggles
[10:11] <dwatkins> What language are you typing in, gord?
[10:11] <gord> english?
[10:12] <dwatkins> ah ok, I often write e-mails in French and German, and it sometimes takes my mail client a minute to work this out.
[10:12] <gord> yeah no this is just some dictionary bug in firefox or something ;)
[10:13] <dwatkins> my nephew was fascinated when we got the old typewriter out, because it didn't underline his words in red when he spelled them incorrectly.
[10:13] <dwatkins> I think we should get the BBC Micro out and have him sit there and wait for a game to load from tape.
[10:15] <dwatkins> I did replace the shell on my Ubuntu machine with a command to run Beebem, perhaps that's a better way forward - "if you want internet access, write a TCP/IP stack for the 6502 in machine code!" ;)
[10:23] <s-fox> Hello.
[10:26] <MooDoo> morning s-fox
[10:26] <s-fox> Hello MooDoo , how're you?
[10:27] <MooDoo> s-fox: i'm ok thanks :D
[10:27] <s-fox> Good
[10:30] <s-fox> What you up to today then MooDoo ?
[10:31] <MooDoo> s-fox: i'm at work at the moment, hopefully doing some poster/flyer work tomorrow
[10:35] <dwatkins> mornin s-fox
[10:36] <s-fox> Hello dwatkins , how are you today
[10:36] <s-fox> ?
[10:36] <dwatkins> I'm good thanks, how are you?
[10:37] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[10:37] <MooDoo> morning brobostigon how are you this fine day?
[10:37] <brobostigon> MooDoo: not bad, various pains, but not bad, also didnt sleep properly. and you?
[10:39] <MooDoo> brobostigon: not bad actually, bit of man flu, but ok lol
[10:40] <brobostigon> MooDoo: :)
[10:41] <dwatkins> I once said I had flu and was told in no uncertain terms by a friend that if I actually had flu I'd be at death's door :-/ I hope you're all better soon and it's just a bit of a cold, MooDoo
[10:44] <gordonjcp> I had the flu and was told that if it really was the flu I'd be at death's door and it was in fact a cold
[10:44] <gordonjcp> and then having snottered and sneezed for a couple of days and taken enough sudafed to kill an Israeli fighter pilot, it turned out that I did, in fact, have the flu
[10:45] <MooDoo> dwatkins: man flu = little bit of the sniffles but feel like i'm dying ;)
[10:47] <dwatkins> ah yes, 'tis a common phrase down our way, MooDoo ;)
[10:48] <s-fox> I am good thank you dwatkins , poking around on mod website :)
[10:48] <s-fox> Hello brobostigon :)
[10:48] <dwatkins> s-fox: I daren't ask what kind of poking you're doing to their website
[10:48] <brobostigon> hello s-fox :)
[10:49] <s-fox> Trying to find what I am looking for dwatkins ;)
[10:49] <dwatkins> isn't their purpose to make stuff difficult to find? ;)
[10:49] <MartijnVdS> s-fox: ♫ But [you] still haven't found what you're looking for ?
[10:49] <dwatkins> MartijnVdS: and I thought I'd be the only one to think of that song...
[10:49] <s-fox>  /kick Martinp23 for being musical on a monday morning ;)
[10:50] <MartijnVdS> poort Martinp23
[10:50] <MartijnVdS> -t
[10:50] <s-fox> oops, wrong marti ;)
[10:50] <s-fox> haha
[10:52] <MartijnVdS> Wow.. Asus barebone + 4G RAM + (disk I have lying around) + Sempron CPU = cheap
[10:52] <MartijnVdS> VERY cheap
[10:52] <dwatkins> cheaper than a Raspberry Pi, MartijnVdS? ;)
[10:53] <oimon> diplo, yeah, i swapped off and swapped on again
[10:53] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: no, but available immediately (replacement Granbuntu machine -- the current one is suffering from exploded caps)
[10:53] <oimon> now compiz is eating all my cpu again
[10:53] <MartijnVdS> oimon: notabug, wontfix :P
[10:53] <oimon> wonder whether 12.04 beta is stable enough to upgrade my work pc to
[10:54] <dwatkins> I'd be interested to see if I could fix a machine with exploded caps, but I suspect that it would be tricky (see iMac for reference) and that other components would probably end up being damaged as a result of the capacitor plague.
[10:54] <gord> unless you are interested in it failing and reporting bugs, i don't recommend upgrading to betas ;)
[10:54] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: I've repaired an Abit board once, long ago.
[10:54] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: but I'm not trying again :)
[10:54] <oimon> the only choice is to go back to 10.04
[10:54] <dwatkins> I used to work with someone [supporting SLES and RH] who said all the time that Linux will remain in beta forever.
[10:55] <oimon> 11.10 too sucky in terms of resources on a core2 duo
[10:55] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: the current machine is 11 years old (but runs Unity2D just fine)
[10:55] <diplo> oimon, I was debating the two same things, 10.04 or 12 getting kinda unbearable now
[10:55] <dwatkins> MartijnVdS: nice :)
[10:55] <diplo> +1
[10:55] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: it was top of the line back then ;)
[10:55] <dwatkins> I'm hoping my laptop will last as long, MartijnVdS.
[10:55] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: I always hope my hardware lasts that long
[10:56] <MartijnVdS> It seldom does though :(
[10:56] <MartijnVdS> though I have a bunch of old WRT54GLs that come close.
[10:56] <MartijnVdS> they're from '03-'04
[10:56] <MartijnVdS> I just re-flashed them with bleeding-edge OpenWRT, and they're happy again :)
[10:56] <dwatkins> MartijnVdS: I'm empted to tomato one of those
[10:56] <dwatkins> *tempted
[10:57] <MartijnVdS> I considered Tomato, but I already knew OpenWRT (I put WhiteRussian on them back in the day)
[10:59] <dwatkins> I suspect I'd need to use an ADSL router whatever I did, as I'm with BT at the moment.
[10:59] <dwatkins> I could double-NAT, but that's just messy
[10:59] <MartijnVdS> double NAT is eww
[10:59] <MartijnVdS> Time for V6 everywhere
[11:00] <oimon> http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=98869
[11:00] <oimon> this might be my problem
[11:00] <jpds> MartijnVdS: It already is, with link-local.
[11:01] <dwatkins> I should look into implementing IPv6
[11:02] <oimon> and this http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=98200
[11:02] <oimon> i can't be the only one with problems
[11:02] <diplo> I have same issues oimon
[11:03] <diplo> also youtube kills flashplayer quite often
[11:03] <davmor2> morning all
[11:03] <davmor2> czajkowski: PROD!!!!!
[11:03] <dwatkins> oimon: I've had that a couple times, does the Chrome task manager say owt?
[11:03] <davmor2> MooDoo: me owld mukka
[11:03] <MooDoo> davmor2: alreeeeeet cheief
[11:03] <oimon> dwatkins, not really, maybe i'm not looking on the right tab
[11:03] <czajkowski> davmor2: GOOOD DAY TO YOU!
[11:04] <davmor2> bigcalm, gord, mrevell all set for thursday
[11:04] <bigcalm> Morning davmor2. I shall be there
[11:04] <bigcalm> And Wednesday evening
[11:05] <dwatkins> oimon: you have to enable the task manager by showing the hidden window, iirc
[11:05] <mrevell> bigcalm, Most certainly.
[11:05] <bigcalm> mrevell: coming on Wednesday evening?
[11:06] <oimon> dwatkins, ah yes, i'll try that
[11:09] <dwatkins> also, shift+esc, although that tends to still require unhiding on OS X: http://support.google.com/chrome/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=95672
[11:11]  * gord books a train ticket five minutes later than he normally takes and gets it for half the price
[11:12] <davmor2> gord: sounds about right
[11:12] <oimon> tried to logout of twitter." 403 Forbidden: The server understood the request, but is refusing to fulfill it."
[11:13] <gord> oimon, delete the cookies instead?
[11:16] <mrevell> bigcalm, Probably not.
[11:16] <mrevell> bigcalm, Weds evenings are pretty hard for me, as I have a work call.
[11:16] <MartijnVdS> jpds: I have a /48 from my ISP.. but it's the only ISP in the country (at the moment)
[11:16] <MartijnVdS> jpds: 2 others will be rolling out "this year"
[11:20] <davmor2> My mom just emailed me this and put a smile on my face so I thought I'd share http://paste.ubuntu.com/869690/
[11:22]  * popey wonders if gord can reproduce bug 947047
[11:23] <gord> popey, yeah, happens across multiple webcams, been happening for ages
[11:23] <gord> popey, changing webcam resolution or closing cheese and opening again usually fixes, but removing the effects will turn you purple again
[11:25] <davmor2> popey: bigcalm can
[11:25] <davmor2> popey: I blame gord though it's bound to be his fault
[11:25] <gord> its a shame, cheese is a nice app
[11:36] <gord> rather puzzling why we don't ask people to hook up their facebook/google/twitter accounts in the installer/first run, i wonder how many people even realise that facebook instant messaging is built into ubuntu
[11:40] <dwatkins> I acknowledge that there are good things about facebook integration, but I tend to avoid it like botchilism ;)
[11:41] <gord> this is the good type of facebook integration :) the kind that means i don't need to log into the website and can just use the IM application on my OS :)
[11:42] <dwatkins> I see what you mean, I tend to log-in to facebook about once a day, and I use its messaging feature like e-mail, but I guess there are people who chat on there like I use IRC and Jabber :)
[11:43] <daubers> Morning
[11:44] <davmor2> gord: there is a slide for it
[11:45] <gord> davmor2, instead of having that slide we should have a "hey while your waiting, why not hook up your online accounts?" section that lets people do that ;)
[11:46] <gord> then start gwibber/empathy on first start, whack them in the launcher - people will get the idea once they start getting messages/tweets
[11:46] <davmor2> gord: can't do that the app would need to install into a home directory initially,  anyway talk to ev, cjwatson and kenvandine about all that
[11:47] <gord> can't isn't a good word to use ;)
[11:51] <davmor2> gord: why does can't mean you have to prove me wrong, in which case you could just post the initial draft to ev and ken and let them run with it :P
[11:51] <directhex> gord, facebook integration is nontrivial for first-run, because most people log into facebook via email not username, and FB chat only works if you've logged in once via the web via username
[11:55] <gord> directhex, empathy has a little thing that lets you do that from within empathy iirc
[11:55] <gord> basically a small browser pane, same for anything that requires OAUTH
[11:57] <davmor2> gord: empathy does for chat and logs in via username not email,  for gwibber you login via email not username and the web pane appears again for account access
[12:01] <directhex> davmor2, any facebook auth box asking for email address will accept username instead
[13:07] <AlanBell> HUD updates arrive, it still doesn't like people who can type :(
[13:07] <Pendulum> I assume you mean can't type?
[13:07] <AlanBell> no, it is fine if you can't type
[13:07] <Pendulum> ah
[13:08] <AlanBell> if you spell words correctly it takes them away from you
[13:09] <daubers> directhex: Is there a less costly alternative of mono for android than monodroid?
[13:10] <AlanBell> Bug #937020 but it has probably been reported elsewhere too
[13:13] <AlanBell> and still silent to orca :(
[13:36] <gord> guys, there is unicode for a happy cat with love heart eyes 😻 - i find this confusing
[13:41] <directhex> gord, japanese people do a LOT of smileys, and the japanese mobile phone manufacturers wanted to standardize their smileys across brands - so they went to the Unicode consortium
[13:42] <directhex> daubers, i think koushik dutta did his own port, but much of monodroid's sugar is in the integration of tools, e.g. the linker.
[13:43] <daubers> directhex: Okies. Might put that to one side for now then. Thanks :)
[13:50] <popey> AlanBell: how do I stop orca appearing on my screensaver ?
[13:51] <popey> I once started orca now it always appears
[13:51] <ali1234> you mean the osk right
[13:51] <ali1234> not orca
[13:51] <popey> ya
[13:51] <popey> oh, yes
[13:51] <ali1234> i have the same thing
[13:51] <ali1234> dunno how to fix it
[13:51] <ali1234> don't see a problem really :)
[13:51] <popey> it's fugly
[13:51] <popey> ☺
[13:51] <ali1234> well except fo that
[13:52] <gord> you have a screensaver?
[13:52] <ali1234> onboard, and the unlock screen, not actually the screensaver
[13:53] <ali1234> popey: http://askubuntu.com/questions/84050/how-do-i-disable-the-on-screen-keyboard-in-the-unlock-screen
[13:53] <popey> excellent, thanks!
[13:54]  * popey rates that answer up
[13:54] <ali1234> it has nicer themes btw :)
[13:54] <popey> lies
[13:54] <ali1234> blackboard and droid are ok
[13:54] <ali1234> the model m theme is nicer than i expected it to be
[13:54] <ali1234> it doesn't look anything like a model m
[14:07] <AlanBell> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:ModelM.jpg it was modeled on that
[14:07] <AlanBell> I picked colours off that photo, but someone else changed them a bit
[14:08] <ali1234> yeah colours are right i suppos
[14:12] <popey> am i the only one for whom youtube full screen doesn't suppress lock screen?
[14:12] <ali1234> i set timeout to 30 minutes
[14:12] <AlanBell> I found out how to make youtube actually go full screen yesterday
[14:12] <ali1234> possibly 1 hour
[14:13] <AlanBell> you pop out the viewer, then F11 to make that go full screen
[14:13] <AlanBell> then the actual image is full screen rather than having huge black borders all the way round
[14:13] <ali1234> wrong
[14:13] <ali1234> you still have firefox chrome
[14:13] <AlanBell> no, that goes away
[14:14] <AlanBell> I get moving video all the way to every edge
[14:14] <ali1234> how do you pop out the player?
[14:14] <popey> youtube goes full screen for me by just clikcing the "full screen" icon in the video
[14:14] <AlanBell> right click on it
[14:14] <ali1234> ah that's new... nice
[14:15] <AlanBell> really popey? I will try to do a screenshot later of what I see, it is rubbish
[14:15] <ali1234> are you using two monitors?
[14:15] <popey> no
[14:15] <popey> i have no borders or anything
[14:16] <ali1234> not you popey :)
[14:16] <AlanBell> I am using two monitors
[14:16] <ali1234> yeah
[14:16] <AlanBell> http://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/Screenshot%20at%202012-03-05%2014:15:51.png
[14:16] <ali1234> it's a known bug in flash which adobe refuses to fix
[14:16] <AlanBell> that is what I have always had
[14:16] <ali1234> i made a fix for that last year: http://al.robotfuzz.com/content/workaround-fullscreen-flash-linux-multiheaded-desktops
[14:17] <TheOpenSourcerer> popey: can I dm you for a mo?
[14:17] <popey> anytime
[14:18] <ali1234> pop out works better than flash's own fullscreen mode anyway
[14:18] <ali1234> it doesn't close if you click in another window for one thing
[14:18] <ali1234> and it works properly on both monitors
[14:18] <AlanBell> I had no idea that youtube fullscreen worked for anyone ever!
[14:19] <ali1234> yeah your problem is a problem with how flash calculates what "fullscreen" means
[14:19] <ali1234> i explained it on that page, exactly what causes the bug
[14:19] <AlanBell> I read your article, that makes sense now
[14:19] <ali1234> it's been reported to adobe multiple times, they just lose it "can't reproduce"
[14:20] <TheOpenSourcerer> I had one of these: https://twitter.com/#!/O2/status/176673345318830080/photo/1
[14:20] <ali1234> i've never seen that pop out option before, is it new? or youtube only?
[14:21] <popey> TheOpenSourcerer: i had one too ☺
[14:21]  * daubers had a 48k+
[14:21] <daubers> this one http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:ZX_Spectrum%2B.jpg
[14:21] <popey> that link no longer works!
[14:21] <popey> stupid twitter
[14:22] <popey> also, it wasn't 21 years ago.
[14:22] <TheOpenSourcerer> I had a Spectrum too.
[14:22] <popey> it was 30 years
[14:22] <MartijnVdS> 0x21?
[14:22] <popey> http://popey.com/blog/2011/03/05/thirty-years-on/
[14:23] <MartijnVdS> hex 21 = 33, close enough ;)
[14:23] <TheOpenSourcerer> This was my first machine: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compukit_UK101
[14:24] <gordonjcp> yay
[14:24] <gordonjcp> yukky 101
[14:24] <popey> Did you see Liam put his UK101 on ebay recently?
[14:24] <TheOpenSourcerer> Gosh.
[14:24] <TheOpenSourcerer> No
[14:25] <popey> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/270918417815
[14:25] <TheOpenSourcerer> Wow that kept its value :-)
[14:26]  * popey ponders building a vt101 from parts
[14:26] <popey> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Vintage-DEC-Digital-VT101-AB-Main-Board-Working-/250940797633?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a6d3cb2c1
[14:26] <popey> ☺
[14:27] <MartijnVdS> popey: you still want one then?
[14:27] <popey> yes
[14:27] <TheOpenSourcerer> What will you do with a VT100
[14:27] <gordonjcp> oh, Liam Proven, I used to know him from the classiccmp mailing list
[14:28] <MartijnVdS> TheOpenSourcerer: play nethack of course
[14:28] <MartijnVdS> or Zork
[14:28] <popey> i knew him from Cix back in uhm.. 1995 I think
[14:37] <gordonjcp> popey: cool, does he live down about where you are?
[14:42] <popey> gordonjcp: he's in London iirc
[14:44] <gordonjcp> popey: have you ever encountered Tony Duell on any of the mailing lists?
[14:50] <popey> no
[16:00] <AlanBell> anyone want an high level important job for no money? http://bitly.com/xN81Zv
[16:01] <MartijnVdS> lolgovernment
[16:02] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: "Employment terms: not fair and open"
[16:03] <DJones> Heh, I like that job provides clarity on compliance requirements against a suite of mandatory open standards, but employment terms aren't fair & open
[16:03] <DJones> On the plus side, you don't need a CRB check for it
[16:08] <popey> Employment Terms: Post Type  Temporary (Not fair and open)
[16:09] <AlanBell> it is one of those things that just will get stuffed with microsoft partners :(
[16:09] <AlanBell> it would be good for someone from Canonical to apply
[16:11] <AlanBell> and the form is a .doc
[16:56] <davmor2> czajkowski: so you gonna come over to millbank at somepoint tomorrow so I can pick on you?
[16:58] <czajkowski> davmor2: might do
[16:58] <czajkowski> will I get any work done :)
[16:58] <davmor2> czajkowski: I'm going to be in and out of meeting most of the day so I should think so
[16:59] <czajkowski> okie dokie
[17:13] <czajkowski> davmor2: will be in so tomrrow
[17:13] <davmor2> czajkowski: do you want to try that line again in English ;)
[17:14] <bigcalm> mrevell: I think you were right, the DVDs will be with you on Thursday
[17:14] <mrevell> bigcalm, Oh lovely. Thanks!
[17:15] <czajkowski> davmor2: will be in millbank tomorrow
[17:16] <davmor2> czajkowski: ah okay :)
[17:24] <bigcalm> davmor2: so far, only 10 of us will be at the LUG meeting. Does anybody turn up without replying to the list request?
[17:25]  * bigcalm looks forward to a good steak and chips. Oh, and the company is ok ;)
[17:25] <davmor2> bigcalm: yeap and then there are those at work with no personal email so will be added at a latter date
[17:26] <bigcalm> You mean there are people who don't have their email thrust in their face 24/7?
[17:27] <bigcalm> I've tried disabling work emails from syncing to my phone out of office hours, but I'd always forget to re-enable it the next day
[17:28]  * bigcalm nips out to mow the lawn \o/
[17:28] <gord> mowing the lawn? its nearly night time
[17:29] <AlanBell> that is probably an euphamism for something
[17:29] <bigcalm> Sun is still up here, getting it done while I can
[17:29] <bigcalm> Recycling collection is tomorrow (includes garden waste)
[17:29] <bigcalm> AlanBell: ... :P
[17:30] <davmor2> bigcalm: you waste you garden
[17:51] <bigcalm> davmor2: I do what?
[17:54] <davmor2> bigcalm: You waste your garden?
[17:54] <bigcalm> davmor2: do you want my grass cuttings?
[17:55]  * davmor2 has this image of bigcalm wrapping his entire garden up in a green bag and handing it to the bin men in the morning
[17:56] <bigcalm> davmor2: you are deranged, sir
[17:57] <davmor2> bigcalm: You just figured this out?
[17:57] <bigcalm> davmor2: yeah, thought you quite down to earth until now :P
[17:58] <davmor2> bigcalm: hahahahaha
[17:58] <brobostigon> dirk gently, bbc4, 9pm, :)
[17:58] <bigcalm> brobostigon: already set to record :)
[17:59] <brobostigon> bigcalm: :)
[18:01] <gord> davmor2, you don't have a garden waste bin collection thing round your area?
[18:02] <davmor2> gord: I'm in a 3rd-4th floor maisonette what garden?
[18:03] <gord> davmor2, window garden?
[18:03] <popey> http://api.ning.com/files/TnyFdD9AJe*K53vpQ6QPEdVaKAlNFaNWPwdKV5ChcmdHRFH8XmtYUX8sGBfLk2mCypoluCHULpMXbH6pV*WgdygWvGa1GP4M/stephenwildish.jpg  like that
[18:03] <gord> there is a really cool TED talk about some people who design open source window gardens
[18:04] <davmor2> gord: not likely Plus we just have the one bin chute for everything, bah paper,tins and glass we have separate bins down stairs for those
[18:16] <bigcalm> popey: that makes me want to make all 4 now
[18:17] <bigcalm> Well, maybe not the pasta, I'll just buy that :)
[18:19] <bigcalm> 12.04 is out next month, do we know which day?
[18:19] <ali1234> my guess is the last working day?
[18:19] <bigcalm> Not quite ready I take it?
[18:22] <AlanBell> 26th
[18:22] <popey> its always thursday
[18:22] <bigcalm> Aha. I wonder if the Samsung Galaxy S3 will be out before then
[18:23] <AlanBell> unless it isn't
[18:23] <ali1234> this just plopped into my inbox: http://www.visionmobile.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/infographics/milliondollar/100MillionClub_2011.jpg
[18:27] <popey> Go symbian!
[18:27] <popey> well, S40
[18:27]  * popey hugs his old 6680
[18:39]  * TheOpenSourcerer has a house full of curry-type food :-D
[18:48]  * dwatkins has curry preparing itself
[18:54] <davmor2> TheOpenSourcerer: You mean you have a curry full of household stuff
[19:02] <ali1234> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lWAk6tQ9EE
[19:18] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Tony] A Wonderful Woodland Wedding - http://tonywhitmore.co.uk/blog/2012/03/05/a-wonderful-woodland-wedding/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=a-wonderful-woodland-wedding
[19:27] <davmor2> ali1234: you have too much time on your hands
[19:27] <ali1234> what makes you say that?
[19:28] <davmor2> ali1234: finding weird and wonderful youtube clips like that :D
[19:29] <ali1234> i am subbed to that guy, he's genius
[19:29] <davmor2> ali1234: ps funny as hell by the way
[19:42] <diplo-> evening all
[20:06] <AlanBell> !ping[1~
[20:06] <AlanBell> !ping
[20:08] <davmor2> Im in olde ye London Town tomorrow to annoy czajkowski erm work with the qa sprint to try and unify the tools we use erm annoy czajkowski
[20:08] <davmor2> night all
[20:35] <madpup> can i ask a question? ( not this question )
[20:35] <dwatkins> !ask
[20:35] <madpup> opps, sorry.
[20:35] <dwatkins> no worries, just saying you don't need to ask madpup :)
[20:36] <madpup> Ok, ive got ubuntu 11.10 64bit installed and everything works except sound, the sound glitchs and fades in and out quickly?
[20:37] <dwatkins> What kind of sound hardware do you have, madpup?
[20:38] <madpup> errr brb lspci
[20:39] <madpup>  SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA) (rev 40)
[20:39] <MartijnVdS> madpup: check /proc/asound/cards
[20:40] <OmNomDePlume> madpup: can I ask you a question?
[20:40] <madpup> sure
[20:40] <madpup> HDA-Intel - HDA ATI SB
[20:41] <madpup> HDA-Intel - HDA NVidia
[20:41] <MartijnVdS> So.. two sound cards -- one on-board and one on the HDMI output?
[20:42] <MartijnVdS> That shouldn't confuse the software, but it might
[20:42] <madpup> yep one on the mobo and one on the nvidia 560ti, ive disabled the Nvidia one
[20:43] <dwatkins> How did you disable it, out of curiosity, madpup?
[20:44] <madpup> went to hardware tab in prefs->sound->hardware  profile off
[20:45] <madpup> in outputs the 'conecter' drop down boxs flickers between 'analog output' and 'headphone output' it happening and the the same speed and the sound glitches
[20:47] <madpup> should i just yank out the front panel audio connection lead off my mobo?
[20:49] <madpup> ok im going to yank my front panel cable off my mobo untill i canfix this
[20:49] <madpup> thanks all, brb, tosee if this helps
[20:52] <madpup> ok that fixed the sound issues, nowto fix the boot errors
[20:52] <madpup> thanks for everyones help
[21:02] <ali1234> it's the headphone detection glitch
[21:02] <ali1234> large number of HDA motherboards confuse headphone connector and frontpanel connector
[21:03] <ali1234> so if you have connected the frontpanel output, it thinks headphones are connected and mutes the line out
[21:03] <ali1234> the fix is to run alsamixer and turn on "independent hp"
[21:13] <bigcalm> czajkowski: ping
[21:15] <czajkowski> bigcalm: fixed
[21:15] <bigcalm> czajkowski: :)
[21:15] <bigcalm> I'd done a screen shot for you 'n all!
[21:15] <brobostigon> gently driving an austim princess. :) lol
[21:16] <brobostigon> austin*
[21:18] <bigcalm> brobostigon: that sounds like a car from the 70s
[21:18] <brobostigon> bigcalm: it is.
[21:18]  * gordonjcp had one, until it got stolen
[21:18] <bigcalm> :o
[21:18] <bigcalm> Oh, I got confused
[21:18]  * bigcalm goes back to sleep
[21:21] <jacobw> sleep is good
[21:26] <ali1234> does anyone remember the name of that browser plugin from years ago
[21:26] <zleap> ali1234, what did it do ?
[21:26] <ali1234> where you go to a webpage, and if other people with that plugin are on the same page, you can see their little character walking around on the page
[21:26] <ali1234> and chat with them
[21:26] <ali1234> from the 90s
[21:27] <ali1234> pre dotcom bubble
[21:27] <ali1234> you may have had to download a whole browser to use it in fact
[21:27] <ali1234> it was called something like "web buddies" or something
[21:28] <ali1234> and the characters were like little blue furry gremlin things
[21:28] <zleap> not sure, i had a plugin for kids to make a friendly browser with chat etc
[21:28] <jacobw> i think so
[21:28] <jacobw> i'm remembering the early 2000s though, not the 90s
[21:29] <ali1234> it was completely public so you didn't have to add people
[21:29] <ali1234> could have been early 2000s i guess
[21:29] <ali1234> probably was still going for a few years :)
[21:38] <zleap> ali1234, not kidzuie - browser plugin
[21:39] <ali1234> it wasn't aimed at kids
[21:39] <zleap> ok
[21:39] <ali1234> rocket on is a similar idea
[21:39] <ali1234> but they only started a couple of years ago
[21:39] <ali1234> this was back when everyone was using netscape
[21:41] <zleap> ah
[21:41] <zleap> so early / mid 90's
[21:41] <zleap> i remember those days
[21:41] <ali1234> mid - late 90s
[22:50] <mrevell> bigcalm, Hey, still around?
[22:50] <bigcalm> mrevell: for some reason, yes I am :)
[22:50] <mrevell> heh
[22:50]  * popey tickles mrevell 
[22:50] <mrevell> hey popey
[22:50] <popey> hullo
[22:51] <mrevell> bigcalm, How long did it take you to go from normal phone, through rooting, to having CM all nicely sorted?
[22:52] <bigcalm> Not that long. I did it some time ago so don't remember much. I do recall having to follow a howto. And I think things are easier these days
[22:52] <bigcalm> Have you started, thinking about it or bricked your phone?
[22:53] <bigcalm> Which Desire handset do you have?
[22:54] <bigcalm> GSM, CDMA, HD, S?
[22:54] <mrevell> bigcalm, Standard ole GSM
[22:54] <bigcalm> http://wiki.cyanogenmod.com/wiki/HTC_Desire_%28GSM%29:_Full_Update_Guide
[22:55] <mrevell> Oh yes, last time I looked at it doing it appeared I needed Windows. Did you do it from within Ubuntu?
[22:56] <bigcalm> I think I had windows back then
[22:56] <mrevell> Oh, looks like no need for that. Okay, ta. I won't start it tonight but might give it a bash tomorrow.
[22:58] <bigcalm> np
[23:18] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Andy Loughran] Project Management - http://zrmt.com/2012/03/05/project-management/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=project-management
[23:18] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Andy Loughran] Etape Pennine - http://zrmt.com/2012/03/05/etape-pennine/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=etape-pennine