[00:03] autotools are terrible though [00:03] layer upon layer of hideous misfeature [06:18] [Jono Bacon] Ubuntu Accomplishments Updates - http://www.jonobacon.org/2012/03/05/ubuntu-accomplishments-updates/ [07:42] morning everyone [07:46] TheOpenSourcerer: Happy Birthday! [07:46] Thank you AlanBell [07:57] I would sing happy birthday, but there is a problem with that http://unhappybirthday.com/ [07:58] lol [08:09] AlanBell: You have a cluster called the "Train Wreck" named after you: http://arstechnica.com/science/news/2012/03/galactic-pile-up-leaves-behind-mysterious-dark-matter-core.ars [08:23] Morning all [08:28] morning all [08:40] Morning all o/ [08:52] Morning all [09:02] morning all [09:03] morning popey [09:03] Good morning peeps :) [09:05] just realised how long it must of been since I last logged into IRC! [09:06] I have updated to precise.. [09:06] aloha [09:07] hi czajkowski! how is you? [09:07] selinuxium: oi oi :) good thnanks [09:10] czajkowski, Nearly let the French win yesterday... Bet you where as fun to watch as the game! [09:10] Morning all. [09:11] selinuxium: so close :/ gave away the ball too many times [09:11] Morning TheOpenSourcerer [09:12] Happy birthday, TheOpenSourcerer [09:12] Thanks bigcalm [09:13] no one sing the song though, it's copyright infringement ;) [09:13] Ooops - Major fail on Github: http://chrisacky.posterous.com/github-you-have-let-us-all-down [09:16] why would anyone sing happy birthday to someone who isn't friends/relatives? [09:16] We're all friends in here [09:16] oimon: yup lots of times in restaurnants [09:17] as the irish theme pubs say, there are no strangers but just friends we haven't met yet.. [09:19] although if they took the cead mile failte literally, you would be there all night getting welcomes before having a drink [09:35] my machine is running like a dog...and chromium wanted 1Gb RAM to have a facebook tab open: guess where i closed the fb tab: http://ubuntuone.com/54DdsAontZK4uQj5thnESe [09:48] Happy Monday, folks! :D [09:48] I walked into a pub in Ireland once carrying a guitar, and was therefore expected to play it. I doubt them implement that particular rule in those theme pubs, oimon. [09:49] dwatkins: it's the same in Scotland [09:49] if you take it out of its case, you can't put it back without playing a tune [09:50] gordonjcp: I wasn't aware of that, thanks for the warning (just moved to Edinbrugh) [09:50] dwatkins: ah cool, where in Edinburgh? [09:52] Tollcross, the briht centre of the universe ;) [09:53] oh aye [09:53] are you also in Edinburgh, gordonjcp? [09:54] no, I work in Glasgow but I live just outside [09:54] Was using a gb of swap as well oimon ! [09:54] the edlug bunch are a bit weird [09:54] Was being hammered :/ [09:54] I've not met any of them yet, gordonjcp - I do know some retro gaming fans live here, and will be meeting up with them soon [09:55] Anyone run Ubuntu as there web host ? [09:55] I've done so for many years but only ever locally :) [09:55] diplo: debian here so kinda similar [09:55] Want to make sure I'm secure and set up correctly [09:55] diplo: yeah, but only locally [09:56] they're not so bad now but they used to be a bit Christian Vegan Gender-Dysmorphic Differently-Abled Otherkin Group [09:56] diplo: one thing I would strongly reccomend: denyhosts [09:56] I can't get permissions correct using Nginx and permissions [09:56] Installed Fail2ban already [09:56] diplo: I'm using Debian at the moment but I'm considering switching to Ubuntu Server [09:56] Think denyhosts is pulled in with it [09:56] diplo: ah good, it's definitely worth having in these days of wardialling [09:57] I've used ubuntu server on 20+ boxes over the last few years, but never worrying about hosting on the web :) [09:57] dwatkins: my deny.hosts file is getting huge thanks to deny hosts :D [09:57] alan@bishop:~$ wc -l /etc/hosts.deny [09:57] 5599 /etc/hosts.deny [09:57] MooDoo: sadly I'm not surprised with all those script kiddies out there. It seems we had one on here the other day asking how to nmap the entire planet *rolls eyes* [09:57] So my web stuff is in /srv/www/html// [09:58] Nginx uses www-data [09:58] not at many as popey still - 992 /etc/hosts.deny [09:58] How would you set permissions [09:58] fail2ban > denyhosts [09:58] wait, is it denyhosts? [09:58] wc -l /etc/hosts.deny [09:58] 19 /etc/hosts.deny [09:58] lol, only been up 1 1/2 days with nothing set on it [09:58] :P [09:59] ah, that's the comments :D [09:59] pretty sure Arch ditched denyhosts in the stock install [09:59] mine's been up 4 years [10:00] diplo: I've installed Windows XP and connected the machine to the internet to install a servicepack back when I was much more naive about security and had it infectied with a virus in less time than it took to browse to the update page [10:00] so over 1000 a year, 3 a day [10:01] dwatkins: what had you been clicking on? just installing a service pack wouldn't infect a machine [10:01] MooDoo: nothing, most likely [10:01] MooDoo: no, connecting it to the internet without a firewall resulted in it being infected in minutes [10:02] i don't believe you :D :p [but if you insist :)] [10:02] MooDoo: [10:02] MooDoo: ever heard of "port scanning"? [10:03] yeah i suppose [10:03] Defo happens MooDoo , when that virus that i can't remember name of spread the world [10:03] Looking for open ports [10:03] MooDoo: 'There is now a 50% chance of being infected by an internet worm in just 12 minutes of being online using an unprotected, unpatched Windows PC.' - http://www.sophos.com/en-us/press-office/press-releases/2005/07/pr_uk_midyearroundup2005.aspx [10:03] Took down our company in minutes [10:03] diplo: Code Red [10:03] nope, began with an S maybe [10:03] Been to man years [10:03] I have seen unpatched Windows 2000 boxes be infected on dialup in minutes [10:03] Sasser [10:04] that's it! [10:04] MooDoo: its well known that windows machines become compromised within minutes of being online if there is no NAT/firewall [10:04] We weren't very security concious in those days [10:04] We were after :D [10:04] * MooDoo shuts up lol [10:04] yup [10:04] we had a dialup router in the office I used to work in [10:04] I wasn't IT in those days either, was one of the users [10:04] MooDoo: I couldn't believe it at the time, either - the machine just slowed down without having actually visited any dodgy websites etc. [10:04] the boss's son decided that the firewall was "getting in the way" and hooked his PC directly to the modem [10:04] hehe [10:04] Code Red-ed in two minutes [10:05] oops [10:10] i like that firefox now things every word i type is misspelt, lots of pretty red squiggles [10:11] What language are you typing in, gord? [10:11] english? [10:12] ah ok, I often write e-mails in French and German, and it sometimes takes my mail client a minute to work this out. [10:12] yeah no this is just some dictionary bug in firefox or something ;) [10:13] my nephew was fascinated when we got the old typewriter out, because it didn't underline his words in red when he spelled them incorrectly. [10:13] I think we should get the BBC Micro out and have him sit there and wait for a game to load from tape. [10:15] I did replace the shell on my Ubuntu machine with a command to run Beebem, perhaps that's a better way forward - "if you want internet access, write a TCP/IP stack for the 6502 in machine code!" ;) [10:23] Hello. [10:26] morning s-fox [10:26] Hello MooDoo , how're you? [10:27] s-fox: i'm ok thanks :D [10:27] Good [10:30] What you up to today then MooDoo ? [10:31] s-fox: i'm at work at the moment, hopefully doing some poster/flyer work tomorrow [10:35] mornin s-fox [10:36] Hello dwatkins , how are you today [10:36] ? [10:36] I'm good thanks, how are you? [10:37] good morning everyone. [10:37] morning brobostigon how are you this fine day? [10:37] MooDoo: not bad, various pains, but not bad, also didnt sleep properly. and you? [10:39] brobostigon: not bad actually, bit of man flu, but ok lol [10:40] MooDoo: :) [10:41] I once said I had flu and was told in no uncertain terms by a friend that if I actually had flu I'd be at death's door :-/ I hope you're all better soon and it's just a bit of a cold, MooDoo [10:44] I had the flu and was told that if it really was the flu I'd be at death's door and it was in fact a cold [10:44] and then having snottered and sneezed for a couple of days and taken enough sudafed to kill an Israeli fighter pilot, it turned out that I did, in fact, have the flu [10:45] dwatkins: man flu = little bit of the sniffles but feel like i'm dying ;) [10:47] ah yes, 'tis a common phrase down our way, MooDoo ;) [10:48] I am good thank you dwatkins , poking around on mod website :) [10:48] Hello brobostigon :) [10:48] s-fox: I daren't ask what kind of poking you're doing to their website [10:48] hello s-fox :) [10:49] Trying to find what I am looking for dwatkins ;) [10:49] isn't their purpose to make stuff difficult to find? ;) [10:49] s-fox: ♫ But [you] still haven't found what you're looking for ? [10:49] MartijnVdS: and I thought I'd be the only one to think of that song... [10:49] /kick Martinp23 for being musical on a monday morning ;) [10:50] poort Martinp23 [10:50] -t [10:50] oops, wrong marti ;) [10:50] haha [10:52] Wow.. Asus barebone + 4G RAM + (disk I have lying around) + Sempron CPU = cheap [10:52] VERY cheap [10:52] cheaper than a Raspberry Pi, MartijnVdS? ;) [10:53] diplo, yeah, i swapped off and swapped on again [10:53] dwatkins: no, but available immediately (replacement Granbuntu machine -- the current one is suffering from exploded caps) [10:53] now compiz is eating all my cpu again [10:53] oimon: notabug, wontfix :P [10:53] wonder whether 12.04 beta is stable enough to upgrade my work pc to [10:54] I'd be interested to see if I could fix a machine with exploded caps, but I suspect that it would be tricky (see iMac for reference) and that other components would probably end up being damaged as a result of the capacitor plague. [10:54] unless you are interested in it failing and reporting bugs, i don't recommend upgrading to betas ;) [10:54] dwatkins: I've repaired an Abit board once, long ago. [10:54] dwatkins: but I'm not trying again :) [10:54] the only choice is to go back to 10.04 [10:54] I used to work with someone [supporting SLES and RH] who said all the time that Linux will remain in beta forever. [10:55] 11.10 too sucky in terms of resources on a core2 duo [10:55] dwatkins: the current machine is 11 years old (but runs Unity2D just fine) [10:55] oimon, I was debating the two same things, 10.04 or 12 getting kinda unbearable now [10:55] MartijnVdS: nice :) [10:55] +1 [10:55] dwatkins: it was top of the line back then ;) [10:55] I'm hoping my laptop will last as long, MartijnVdS. [10:55] dwatkins: I always hope my hardware lasts that long [10:56] It seldom does though :( [10:56] though I have a bunch of old WRT54GLs that come close. [10:56] they're from '03-'04 [10:56] I just re-flashed them with bleeding-edge OpenWRT, and they're happy again :) [10:56] MartijnVdS: I'm empted to tomato one of those [10:56] *tempted [10:57] I considered Tomato, but I already knew OpenWRT (I put WhiteRussian on them back in the day) [10:59] I suspect I'd need to use an ADSL router whatever I did, as I'm with BT at the moment. [10:59] I could double-NAT, but that's just messy [10:59] double NAT is eww [10:59] Time for V6 everywhere [11:00] http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=98869 [11:00] this might be my problem [11:00] MartijnVdS: It already is, with link-local. [11:01] I should look into implementing IPv6 [11:02] and this http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=98200 [11:02] i can't be the only one with problems [11:02] I have same issues oimon [11:03] also youtube kills flashplayer quite often [11:03] morning all [11:03] czajkowski: PROD!!!!! [11:03] oimon: I've had that a couple times, does the Chrome task manager say owt? [11:03] MooDoo: me owld mukka [11:03] davmor2: alreeeeeet cheief [11:03] dwatkins, not really, maybe i'm not looking on the right tab [11:03] davmor2: GOOOD DAY TO YOU! [11:04] bigcalm, gord, mrevell all set for thursday [11:04] Morning davmor2. I shall be there [11:04] And Wednesday evening [11:05] oimon: you have to enable the task manager by showing the hidden window, iirc [11:05] bigcalm, Most certainly. [11:05] mrevell: coming on Wednesday evening? [11:06] dwatkins, ah yes, i'll try that [11:09] also, shift+esc, although that tends to still require unhiding on OS X: http://support.google.com/chrome/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=95672 [11:11] * gord books a train ticket five minutes later than he normally takes and gets it for half the price [11:12] gord: sounds about right [11:12] tried to logout of twitter." 403 Forbidden: The server understood the request, but is refusing to fulfill it." [11:13] oimon, delete the cookies instead? [11:16] bigcalm, Probably not. [11:16] bigcalm, Weds evenings are pretty hard for me, as I have a work call. [11:16] jpds: I have a /48 from my ISP.. but it's the only ISP in the country (at the moment) [11:16] jpds: 2 others will be rolling out "this year" [11:20] My mom just emailed me this and put a smile on my face so I thought I'd share http://paste.ubuntu.com/869690/ [11:22] * popey wonders if gord can reproduce bug 947047 [11:22] Launchpad bug 947047 in cheese (Ubuntu) "Effects turn webcam image purple" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/947047 [11:23] popey, yeah, happens across multiple webcams, been happening for ages [11:23] popey, changing webcam resolution or closing cheese and opening again usually fixes, but removing the effects will turn you purple again [11:25] popey: bigcalm can [11:25] popey: I blame gord though it's bound to be his fault [11:25] its a shame, cheese is a nice app [11:36] rather puzzling why we don't ask people to hook up their facebook/google/twitter accounts in the installer/first run, i wonder how many people even realise that facebook instant messaging is built into ubuntu [11:40] I acknowledge that there are good things about facebook integration, but I tend to avoid it like botchilism ;) [11:41] this is the good type of facebook integration :) the kind that means i don't need to log into the website and can just use the IM application on my OS :) [11:42] I see what you mean, I tend to log-in to facebook about once a day, and I use its messaging feature like e-mail, but I guess there are people who chat on there like I use IRC and Jabber :) [11:43] Morning [11:44] gord: there is a slide for it [11:45] davmor2, instead of having that slide we should have a "hey while your waiting, why not hook up your online accounts?" section that lets people do that ;) [11:46] then start gwibber/empathy on first start, whack them in the launcher - people will get the idea once they start getting messages/tweets [11:46] gord: can't do that the app would need to install into a home directory initially, anyway talk to ev, cjwatson and kenvandine about all that [11:47] can't isn't a good word to use ;) [11:51] gord: why does can't mean you have to prove me wrong, in which case you could just post the initial draft to ev and ken and let them run with it :P [11:51] gord, facebook integration is nontrivial for first-run, because most people log into facebook via email not username, and FB chat only works if you've logged in once via the web via username [11:55] directhex, empathy has a little thing that lets you do that from within empathy iirc [11:55] basically a small browser pane, same for anything that requires OAUTH [11:57] gord: empathy does for chat and logs in via username not email, for gwibber you login via email not username and the web pane appears again for account access [12:01] davmor2, any facebook auth box asking for email address will accept username instead [13:07] HUD updates arrive, it still doesn't like people who can type :( [13:07] I assume you mean can't type? [13:07] no, it is fine if you can't type [13:07] ah [13:08] if you spell words correctly it takes them away from you [13:09] directhex: Is there a less costly alternative of mono for android than monodroid? [13:10] Bug #937020 but it has probably been reported elsewhere too [13:10] Launchpad bug 937020 in indicator-appmenu (Ubuntu) "hud searches should strip() the search string" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/937020 [13:13] and still silent to orca :( [13:36] guys, there is unicode for a happy cat with love heart eyes 😻 - i find this confusing [13:41] gord, japanese people do a LOT of smileys, and the japanese mobile phone manufacturers wanted to standardize their smileys across brands - so they went to the Unicode consortium [13:42] daubers, i think koushik dutta did his own port, but much of monodroid's sugar is in the integration of tools, e.g. the linker. [13:43] directhex: Okies. Might put that to one side for now then. Thanks :) [13:50] AlanBell: how do I stop orca appearing on my screensaver ? [13:51] I once started orca now it always appears [13:51] you mean the osk right [13:51] not orca [13:51] ya [13:51] oh, yes [13:51] i have the same thing [13:51] dunno how to fix it [13:51] don't see a problem really :) [13:51] it's fugly [13:51] ☺ [13:51] well except fo that [13:52] you have a screensaver? [13:52] onboard, and the unlock screen, not actually the screensaver [13:53] popey: http://askubuntu.com/questions/84050/how-do-i-disable-the-on-screen-keyboard-in-the-unlock-screen [13:53] excellent, thanks! [13:54] * popey rates that answer up [13:54] it has nicer themes btw :) [13:54] lies [13:54] blackboard and droid are ok [13:54] the model m theme is nicer than i expected it to be [13:54] it doesn't look anything like a model m [14:07] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:ModelM.jpg it was modeled on that [14:07] I picked colours off that photo, but someone else changed them a bit [14:08] yeah colours are right i suppos [14:12] am i the only one for whom youtube full screen doesn't suppress lock screen? [14:12] i set timeout to 30 minutes [14:12] I found out how to make youtube actually go full screen yesterday [14:12] possibly 1 hour [14:13] you pop out the viewer, then F11 to make that go full screen [14:13] then the actual image is full screen rather than having huge black borders all the way round [14:13] wrong [14:13] you still have firefox chrome [14:13] no, that goes away [14:14] I get moving video all the way to every edge [14:14] how do you pop out the player? [14:14] youtube goes full screen for me by just clikcing the "full screen" icon in the video [14:14] right click on it [14:14] ah that's new... nice [14:15] really popey? I will try to do a screenshot later of what I see, it is rubbish [14:15] are you using two monitors? [14:15] no [14:15] i have no borders or anything [14:16] not you popey :) [14:16] I am using two monitors [14:16] yeah [14:16] http://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/Screenshot%20at%202012-03-05%2014:15:51.png [14:16] it's a known bug in flash which adobe refuses to fix [14:16] that is what I have always had [14:16] i made a fix for that last year: http://al.robotfuzz.com/content/workaround-fullscreen-flash-linux-multiheaded-desktops [14:17] popey: can I dm you for a mo? [14:17] anytime [14:18] pop out works better than flash's own fullscreen mode anyway [14:18] it doesn't close if you click in another window for one thing [14:18] and it works properly on both monitors [14:18] I had no idea that youtube fullscreen worked for anyone ever! [14:19] yeah your problem is a problem with how flash calculates what "fullscreen" means [14:19] i explained it on that page, exactly what causes the bug [14:19] I read your article, that makes sense now [14:19] it's been reported to adobe multiple times, they just lose it "can't reproduce" [14:20] I had one of these: https://twitter.com/#!/O2/status/176673345318830080/photo/1 [14:20] i've never seen that pop out option before, is it new? or youtube only? [14:21] TheOpenSourcerer: i had one too ☺ [14:21] * daubers had a 48k+ [14:21] this one http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:ZX_Spectrum%2B.jpg [14:21] that link no longer works! [14:21] stupid twitter [14:22] also, it wasn't 21 years ago. [14:22] I had a Spectrum too. [14:22] it was 30 years [14:22] 0x21? [14:22] http://popey.com/blog/2011/03/05/thirty-years-on/ [14:23] hex 21 = 33, close enough ;) [14:23] This was my first machine: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compukit_UK101 [14:24] yay [14:24] yukky 101 [14:24] Did you see Liam put his UK101 on ebay recently? [14:24] Gosh. [14:24] No [14:25] http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/270918417815 [14:25] Wow that kept its value :-) [14:26] * popey ponders building a vt101 from parts [14:26] http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Vintage-DEC-Digital-VT101-AB-Main-Board-Working-/250940797633?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a6d3cb2c1 [14:26] ☺ [14:27] popey: you still want one then? [14:27] yes [14:27] What will you do with a VT100 [14:27] oh, Liam Proven, I used to know him from the classiccmp mailing list [14:28] TheOpenSourcerer: play nethack of course [14:28] or Zork [14:28] i knew him from Cix back in uhm.. 1995 I think [14:37] popey: cool, does he live down about where you are? [14:42] gordonjcp: he's in London iirc [14:44] popey: have you ever encountered Tony Duell on any of the mailing lists? [14:50] no [16:00] anyone want an high level important job for no money? http://bitly.com/xN81Zv [16:01] lolgovernment [16:02] AlanBell: "Employment terms: not fair and open" [16:03] Heh, I like that job provides clarity on compliance requirements against a suite of mandatory open standards, but employment terms aren't fair & open [16:03] On the plus side, you don't need a CRB check for it [16:08] Employment Terms: Post Type Temporary (Not fair and open) [16:09] it is one of those things that just will get stuffed with microsoft partners :( [16:09] it would be good for someone from Canonical to apply [16:11] and the form is a .doc [16:56] czajkowski: so you gonna come over to millbank at somepoint tomorrow so I can pick on you? [16:58] davmor2: might do [16:58] will I get any work done :) [16:58] czajkowski: I'm going to be in and out of meeting most of the day so I should think so [16:59] okie dokie [17:13] davmor2: will be in so tomrrow [17:13] czajkowski: do you want to try that line again in English ;) [17:14] mrevell: I think you were right, the DVDs will be with you on Thursday [17:14] bigcalm, Oh lovely. Thanks! [17:15] davmor2: will be in millbank tomorrow [17:16] czajkowski: ah okay :) [17:24] davmor2: so far, only 10 of us will be at the LUG meeting. Does anybody turn up without replying to the list request? [17:25] * bigcalm looks forward to a good steak and chips. Oh, and the company is ok ;) [17:25] bigcalm: yeap and then there are those at work with no personal email so will be added at a latter date [17:26] You mean there are people who don't have their email thrust in their face 24/7? [17:27] I've tried disabling work emails from syncing to my phone out of office hours, but I'd always forget to re-enable it the next day [17:28] * bigcalm nips out to mow the lawn \o/ [17:28] mowing the lawn? its nearly night time [17:29] that is probably an euphamism for something [17:29] Sun is still up here, getting it done while I can [17:29] Recycling collection is tomorrow (includes garden waste) [17:29] AlanBell: ... :P [17:30] bigcalm: you waste you garden [17:51] davmor2: I do what? [17:54] bigcalm: You waste your garden? [17:54] davmor2: do you want my grass cuttings? [17:55] * davmor2 has this image of bigcalm wrapping his entire garden up in a green bag and handing it to the bin men in the morning [17:56] davmor2: you are deranged, sir [17:57] bigcalm: You just figured this out? [17:57] davmor2: yeah, thought you quite down to earth until now :P [17:58] bigcalm: hahahahaha [17:58] dirk gently, bbc4, 9pm, :) [17:58] brobostigon: already set to record :) [17:59] bigcalm: :) [18:01] davmor2, you don't have a garden waste bin collection thing round your area? [18:02] gord: I'm in a 3rd-4th floor maisonette what garden? [18:03] davmor2, window garden? [18:03] http://api.ning.com/files/TnyFdD9AJe*K53vpQ6QPEdVaKAlNFaNWPwdKV5ChcmdHRFH8XmtYUX8sGBfLk2mCypoluCHULpMXbH6pV*WgdygWvGa1GP4M/stephenwildish.jpg like that [18:03] there is a really cool TED talk about some people who design open source window gardens [18:04] gord: not likely Plus we just have the one bin chute for everything, bah paper,tins and glass we have separate bins down stairs for those [18:16] popey: that makes me want to make all 4 now [18:17] Well, maybe not the pasta, I'll just buy that :) [18:19] 12.04 is out next month, do we know which day? [18:19] my guess is the last working day? [18:19] Not quite ready I take it? [18:22] 26th [18:22] its always thursday [18:22] Aha. I wonder if the Samsung Galaxy S3 will be out before then [18:23] unless it isn't [18:23] this just plopped into my inbox: http://www.visionmobile.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/infographics/milliondollar/100MillionClub_2011.jpg [18:27]