| snap-l | Hello, everyone | 01:52 |
|---|---|---|
| brousch | yo | 02:00 |
| jjesse | yo yo | 02:00 |
| snap-l | I guess we can call the meeting to order | 02:01 |
| snap-l | hello, order. | 02:01 |
| snap-l | http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-michigan/349/detail/ | 02:01 |
| snap-l | First off, I want to thank everyone who participated in the jam yesterday | 02:02 |
| snap-l | whether it was in spirit or in person. :) | 02:02 |
| greg-g | w00t! | 02:02 |
| snap-l | Overall it was interesting to see how Precise is shaping up | 02:02 |
| snap-l | though I'm thinking it has some issues with NVidia cards still | 02:02 |
| snap-l | I know brousch filed a few bugs | 02:03 |
| brousch | kubuntu 12.04 looked solid | 02:03 |
| brousch | yeah, little things | 02:03 |
| snap-l | I have it installed on the Asus Eee 701, which was a feat. | 02:03 |
| brousch | impressive | 02:03 |
| brousch | i seem to have taken one of your chocolat ebeers | 02:04 |
| snap-l | That's fine. :) | 02:04 |
| snap-l | I have some of your porter and ale. :) | 02:04 |
| snap-l | 's all good. :) | 02:05 |
| snap-l | They were there for sharing. :) | 02:05 |
| brousch | thanks for hosting. and thank jodee for putting up with us | 02:05 |
| brousch | it worked out really well for me | 02:06 |
| brousch | hey, there's the man | 02:06 |
| snap-l | Yeah, I think it worked out really well | 02:06 |
| gib | What is the topic for tonight? Penguicon, Ubuntu 12.04 . . . | 02:06 |
| snap-l | http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-michigan/349/detail/ | 02:07 |
| snap-l | Just doing a quick recap of the jam | 02:07 |
| brousch | records were set | 02:07 |
| snap-l | Heh | 02:08 |
| gib | Cool. I saw no problem with Ubuntu 12.04. Hey why don't they call it something easy to type like U1204? | 02:08 |
| snap-l | gib: Having trouble with Pangolin? :) | 02:08 |
| brousch | i'm looking forward to it | 02:09 |
| brousch | a good lts is such a beautiful thing | 02:09 |
| gib | No problems at all with U-P (Ubuntu Pangolin). | 02:10 |
| snap-l | OK, cool | 02:10 |
| gib | What kind of records? Count of issues or what? | 02:10 |
| snap-l | Anything else to talk about re: the GJ? | 02:10 |
| gib | What is the GJ? | 02:11 |
| snap-l | gib: brousch was being facetious that he recorded two bugs instead of one. | 02:11 |
| snap-l | Global Jam | 02:11 |
| brousch | it was a personal record | 02:11 |
| gib | Ah, and I reported noen - so we are even with prior records. Sorry. | 02:11 |
| gib | None. | 02:11 |
| snap-l | OK, without further ado, let's talk about Penguicon and the release party. | 02:12 |
| gib | Well I love the personal record thing. Maybe we can post like a tribute. You know: you can do it too. For everyone to see. | 02:12 |
| snap-l | http://paste.mitechie.com/raw/KyG7STPQzBHh6itrqwre/ | 02:13 |
| gib | Did we get a clear understanding of the location in the hotel? | 02:13 |
| snap-l | gib: That's what I pasted. | 02:13 |
| snap-l | This is a note from the Penguicon Hotel Liaison | 02:13 |
| snap-l | I'm not sure how big the hotel bar is at the Dearborn Hyatt | 02:14 |
| gib | Sounds like we need to do a field trip. Date, time? | 02:15 |
| snap-l | My assumption is that anyone who spends their free time collecting coins also drinks heavily. | 02:15 |
| snap-l | (Yes, I'm somewhat kidding) | 02:15 |
| snap-l | So my question would be do we want to take up Penguicon's offer? | 02:15 |
| snap-l | I don't think we have time to take a field trip, unfortunately. | 02:16 |
| snap-l | My understanding is that time is of the essence. | 02:16 |
| brousch | take a sick day | 02:17 |
| snap-l | (my other question would be who all is planning on attending?) | 02:17 |
| gib | So, going to a bar to pay for derinks when we have purchased a all weekend long drinks free ticket to Penguicon is, umm, soo geeky. | 02:17 |
| snap-l | gib: Well, I don't think the free drink are out on Friday | 02:18 |
| gib | I plan to attend. So can we meet in a roo party or con suite? | 02:18 |
| snap-l | and I see it as an act of good faith that Penguicon is thinking about us | 02:18 |
| snap-l | gib: I'd rather not take over the con suite | 02:18 |
| snap-l | that would be rude | 02:19 |
| gib | room party is a cool idea. U room for Ubuntu. | 02:19 |
| snap-l | If someone else is willing to host the room, I'd be OK with it | 02:19 |
| snap-l | They're $99 for a night | 02:19 |
| gib | Figure the cost of getting a room party together. A bit expensive. But then we could give out those CDs all night. | 02:20 |
| snap-l | Well, let's focus on the offer from Penguicon for now. | 02:20 |
| gib | So if we kick in for the $99 ten bring in some beer how many people do we need to break even? | 02:20 |
| gib | Small bar: limited number of people. an't decide until we now the capacity. | 02:21 |
| gib | If we fit 10 people then I'm okay with it. | 02:22 |
| gib | Over ten then it would be better in my opinion to get a room and split the cost of room and beer. | 02:22 |
| snap-l | Usually we have around 15-20 people | 02:23 |
| gib | Maybe we can pull in some other groups. MUG, MDLUG, SEMCO, Wash Lug ... | 02:23 |
| snap-l | Usually membmers of those groups show up to the release party anyway. | 02:24 |
| gib | OPtimistacally, 20 people would be easy to put up a cash donation jar. | 02:24 |
| gib | Just need someone to collect cash and watch the beer. | 02:24 |
| snap-l | Actually, IIRC, that's illegal in MI. | 02:24 |
| snap-l | :) | 02:24 |
| snap-l | Liquor control commision and such | 02:24 |
| gib | So, then we do a pay ahead to get in system. | 02:25 |
| snap-l | I'm thinking the best way would be to contact the Hotel Liaison and get some more information about their proposal | 02:26 |
| snap-l | I'd rather not get into having a room party, as that gets into liability and such | 02:26 |
| gib | Yes, getting more info would make the decision easier. | 02:26 |
| snap-l | if you want to have a room party for each of the groups to get together on Saturday, that would be great | 02:26 |
| gib | Okay, how about finding someone else who is already hosting a party? | 02:27 |
| gib | Wow about a non-alcoholic party? | 02:27 |
| snap-l | OK, I'll contact Jer to get some more details about their proposal | 02:28 |
| snap-l | gib: Perhaps you could check with the other groups to see if they're already having something represented at Penguicon | 02:29 |
| snap-l | I think the GLLUG had parties in the past | 02:29 |
| snap-l | Not sure who to contact about that. | 02:29 |
| gib | Okay. I'm headed to bed now. See you guys later - bye bye. | 02:29 |
| snap-l | Laterness. | 02:30 |
| snap-l | Hokay then | 02:31 |
| snap-l | Anyone else have any opinions about the release party? | 02:31 |
| brousch | rock on | 02:32 |
| snap-l | brousch: Thanks. (whithering look) | 02:32 |
| snap-l | Problem is most of the people who do the release party aren't IRC regulars. | 02:33 |
| snap-l | And while I don't mind the idea of a room party, I'd rather not open up the group to that kind of liability / mess. | 02:33 |
| brousch | would get cramped | 02:34 |
| snap-l | And I'm not about to rush the consuite with an "official" party. | 02:34 |
| snap-l | they have enough problems. :) | 02:34 |
| brousch | what is the consuite? | 02:34 |
| snap-l | Essentially it's a suite that they put food and drink in | 02:35 |
| snap-l | generally it's crowded | 02:35 |
| brousch | sounds like a good place | 02:35 |
| snap-l | brousch: (whithering look) | 02:36 |
| snap-l | OK, anything else we need to discuss tonight? | 02:37 |
| brousch | oops | 02:40 |
| snap-l | OK, if there's nothing else, we can call this meeting finished. | 02:46 |
| snap-l | finished, get me a drink. | 02:46 |
| snap-l | Thanks, everyone! | 02:46 |
| brousch | thanks you sir! | 02:46 |
| rick_h_ | did I miss anything? | 03:29 |
| rick_h_ | wtf is this github thing | 03:34 |
| snap-l | rick_h_: ? | 03:34 |
| rick_h_ | twitter is all over with rails, insecure defaults, github investigations, wtf | 03:35 |
| snap-l | rick_h_: Zed Shaw, or someone else? | 03:36 |
| rick_h_ | I've got to trace it I guess. It's kind of all over the map. Just got home after most of the day afk | 03:39 |
| rick_h_ | ah, http://jtimberman.housepub.org/blog/2012/03/04/github-is-classy/ | 03:40 |
| snap-l | What the fuck? | 03:41 |
| rick_h_ | yea, still reading up on wtf went down | 03:42 |
| snap-l | Apparently somoene used github to make a point about RoR | 03:42 |
| rick_h_ | right, and Github nuked him and people got cranky on both sides | 03:42 |
| Blazeix | oh, yeah, hackernews went crazy about it | 03:55 |
| Blazeix | it's the end of github as we know it | 03:55 |
| snap-l | I don't see what the big deal is. | 03:57 |
| snap-l | They activated the account again | 03:57 |
| snap-l | everyone == happy | 03:57 |
| snap-l | I swear the net will get their knickers bunched up over things that don't affect them at all | 03:58 |
| snap-l | I'd be more worried that Rails has insane defaults. | 03:59 |
| Blazeix | i suspect they activated the account only after everyone freaked out | 03:59 |
| Blazeix | not that i'm saying github was in the wrong here | 03:59 |
| snap-l | I saw something similar that Chris of Pramid posted about strings in Python doing crazy things with iterators. | 03:59 |
| rick_h_ | Blazeix: what did everyone get cranky about? | 04:00 |
| rick_h_ | I've only hita couple of things and not seeing where everyone disagrees with github? | 04:00 |
| Blazeix | they got cranky that github froze the guy's account and then called his demo 'an attack' in their followup blog post | 04:02 |
| Blazeix | http://chrisacky.posterous.com/github-you-have-let-us-all-down | 04:02 |
| Blazeix | snap-l: what's up with python strings? | 04:02 |
| snap-l | Python 3 changes how iter is used. | 04:03 |
| rick_h_ | yea, strings in py3 no longer have __iter__ methods I think | 04:03 |
| rick_h_ | I've never used that method to split str from list, but I guess it's common | 04:03 |
| * snap-l is looking for the original article | 04:05 | |
| rick_h_ | http://plope.com/Members/chrism/python_2_vs_python_3_str_iter | 04:06 |
| snap-l | http://plope.com/Members/chrism/python_2_vs_python_3_str_iter | 04:06 |
| snap-l | fuck, too quick | 04:06 |
| rick_h_ | morning | 12:33 |
| brousch | a-yup | 12:37 |
| snap-l | Good morning | 13:12 |
| nullspace | snap-l: morning | 13:18 |
| mydogsnameisrudy | morning its a very cool -8 today | 13:22 |
| brousch | brisk! | 13:22 |
| brousch | hm, water heater guy is coming out already | 13:27 |
| nullspace | so any news on what might break in 12.04 if I upgrade? | 13:35 |
| snap-l | nullspace: Well, do you have an NVidia card? | 14:20 |
| snap-l | I noticed some strange artifacting on one of my older machines | 14:20 |
| brousch | damn updated codes | 15:34 |
| brousch | always cost me money | 15:34 |
| rick_h_ | heh | 15:44 |
| snap-l | brousch: Which one? :) | 15:47 |
| brousch | chimney size, gas shut offs, water pressure | 15:52 |
| snap-l | brousch: Oh, lovely. | 15:54 |
| snap-l | Yeah, what starts off as one fix turns into 5 updates | 15:55 |
| snap-l | Thought you might have been talking about discount codes being the death of you. | 15:59 |
| snap-l | Like, oh, I dunno..... | 15:59 |
| snap-l | http://www.apress.com/9781430233510 | 15:59 |
| * snap-l is a sucker | 16:02 | |
| brousch | this plumber has an ipad, but no app for estimating and quoting. basically it just has PDFs of all their prices and he has to page through them | 16:05 |
| brousch | then types it into a spreadsheet app | 16:05 |
| snap-l | Ugh | 16:05 |
| snap-l | Talk about making more work for himself. | 16:05 |
| brousch | when he pulled out the ipad i was impressed, then i saw how they were using it | 16:07 |
| nullspace | snap-l: ever heard of "the synthetic dream foundation" ? electro industrial band, german based remind me of FLA and skinny puppy | 16:16 |
| snap-l | nullspace: Not familiar with them | 16:17 |
| snap-l | What's a good album to start with? | 16:17 |
| snap-l | I'm only seeing Tendrils of Pretty on Amazon | 16:18 |
| nullspace | behind the gates of horn and ivory seems pretty solid | 16:18 |
| snap-l | Their website is pretty impenetrable. :) | 16:18 |
| nullspace | oh, ouch | 16:20 |
| nullspace | there site sucks | 16:20 |
| nullspace | *their | 16:20 |
| snap-l | http://www.amazon.com/Behind-Gates-Horn-Ivory/dp/B001B83O12 | 16:21 |
| snap-l | I'm liking it | 16:21 |
| snap-l | wishlisted. :) | 16:21 |
| snap-l | nullspace: BTW: have you checked out the Club Metal Episodes on Open Metalcast? | 16:21 |
| nullspace | I'v been keeping up on them | 16:22 |
| snap-l | Awesome. | 16:22 |
| nullspace | your doing an awesome job with your podcasts | 16:22 |
| snap-l | Thank you. | 16:22 |
| nullspace | I have no idea where you find all that music | 16:23 |
| snap-l | Been finding a lot of really great industrial out there. | 16:23 |
| snap-l | bandcamp and Jamendo. :) | 16:23 |
| snap-l | Also, Synthematik is one of the online labels that I've been pillaging relentlessly. :) | 16:23 |
| nullspace | nice | 16:24 |
| snap-l | http://synthematik.bandcamp.com/ | 16:25 |
| snap-l | They're my go-to place for industrial music | 16:25 |
| snap-l | Have actually found some of their artists on FiXT as well. | 16:25 |
| nullspace | yeah I hit up FiXT once in a while when I need new music or when a fav artists releases a new EP or album | 16:28 |
| brousch | i spent $220 on tech books last year | 16:38 |
| snap-l | brousch: amateur. | 16:42 |
| brousch | i have read maybe 10% of them | 16:43 |
| snap-l | brousch: amateur | 16:43 |
| snap-l | I think I've read 1% of each of them. ;) | 16:44 |
| Blazeix | anyone going to the Great Lakes Functional Programming Conference in May? | 16:44 |
| snap-l | Blazeix: Hadn't heard about it until now | 16:44 |
| Blazeix | my work is kind enough to send me there, so i'm going :) | 16:44 |
| snap-l | http://glfpc.org/ | 16:45 |
| Blazeix | http://glfpc.org | 16:45 |
| snap-l | kinx | 16:45 |
| Blazeix | bah, beat me to it | 16:45 |
| snap-l | er, no... | 16:45 |
| snap-l | JINX | 16:45 |
| Blazeix | they just started selling tickets, there's a link the their google groups page | 16:45 |
| snap-l | They're really spartan about any info | 16:46 |
| Blazeix | yeah, most of the info has been sent out via the detroit dev day email list | 16:46 |
| snap-l | Huh, I missed those | 16:47 |
| snap-l | http://singularityhub.com/2012/03/05/love-that-new-single-mathematical-equation-predicts-musics-hits-and-flops | 16:55 |
| snap-l | http://oss.linn.co.uk/trac/wiki/SkweezyDs Linn just got a Gold Star from me | 17:49 |
| brousch | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3666361 | 19:06 |
| brousch | python3 will cost billions to convert! | 19:08 |
| brousch | BILLIONS | 19:08 |
| greg-g | fuck ycombinator news | 19:10 |
| greg-g | them and all their brogrammers | 19:10 |
| snap-l | Yeah, I've given up on ycombinator | 19:14 |
| brousch | wow | 19:14 |
| brousch | i don't think i've seen greg-g cuss before | 19:15 |
| snap-l | they're the sort of engineers that spend more time computing their car payment than doing anything useful | 19:15 |
| snap-l | brousch: I've seen it. :) | 19:15 |
| Blazeix | where do you guys go instead? I still use ycombinator pretty awesome | 19:15 |
| Blazeix | please don't say reddit | 19:15 |
| snap-l | 19:15 | |
| brousch | slashdot | 19:15 |
| snap-l | but not the front page | 19:15 |
| Blazeix | er, s/awesome/often/ | 19:15 |
| snap-l | also, rick_h_'s news service. | 19:15 |
| snap-l | and twitter. | 19:16 |
| Blazeix | ugh, the last thing i want to do is turn twitter into an rss reader | 19:16 |
| snap-l | Twitter isn't an RSS reader | 19:17 |
| snap-l | Twitter is ephemeral | 19:17 |
| snap-l | reddit is ephemeral | 19:17 |
| snap-l | ycombinator is ephemeral | 19:17 |
| snap-l | Slashdot should be treated as ephemeral | 19:17 |
| Blazeix | twitter is where I go when I want to know what my friends are doing. | 19:18 |
| Blazeix | I haven't yet transitioned to the firehose model | 19:18 |
| Blazeix | maybe I'll give slashdot another chance, but it has such ugly associations for me | 19:19 |
| Blazeix | i suppose i should spend some time pruning away the categories i don't care about | 19:20 |
| snap-l | Blazeix: It's not just you. | 19:23 |
| snap-l | I've stopped using Slashdot in favor f using Reddit. | 19:24 |
| snap-l | mostly because I use Slashdot via the RSS reader, and I haven't found a good way to turn off their stupid comments in RSS. | 19:24 |
| snap-l | and if I use my user RSS feed, Google Reader takes forever to update, but the user feed is what gives me the links to the original source. | 19:25 |
| snap-l | broken behavior. | 19:25 |
| rick_h_ | greg-g: one of them steal your lunch? | 20:16 |
| rick_h_ | Blazeix: thought about the functional conf, but don't htink so | 20:16 |
| rick_h_ | Blazeix: and yea, select reddit rss feeds + lots of twitter filtering | 20:16 |
| snap-l | I can't do reddit with RSS | 20:18 |
| snap-l | it's impossible. | 20:18 |
| rick_h_ | meh, I do a half dozen feeds there I think | 20:19 |
| Blazeix | man, reddit is full of super-sensationalist crap, though | 20:32 |
| Blazeix | especially /r/linux and /r/programming | 20:32 |
| Blazeix | hackernews isn't free of that by any means, but it's better | 20:32 |
| snap-l | Blazeix: reasone #1 why I don't use the RSS feeds on reddit | 20:36 |
| greg-g | rick_h_: just my lunch money :( | 21:02 |
| rick_h_ | Blazeix: yea, requires title filters, but oh well | 21:14 |
| brousch | water heater and code fixes came to almost exactly the same price as my tax return | 23:07 |
| greg-g | oh, building codes | 23:29 |
| snap-l | Ugh | 23:31 |
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